Is Benghazi Obama's Waterloo?

[The Moz 69]

You sound a lot smarter when you imitate me.

 

maybe I missed something -- you say ur GOP yet in every election I have seen us talk about on this board you have always taken up for Dem canidate. Your a democrat just admit it. Nothing wrong with it - IMO it's just dumb to say your GOP when everything you say seems to be directly against it

[Cruzer 1,995]

I'm assuming that whatever the White House said about the attack was PR designed to keep our people overseas safe, not necessarily what they actually believe.

 

Why do you think they blamed it on the video?

If the bucks stops with the Prez, and he said it does, it would of been nice had he been concerned with keeping our people safe overseas before the attacks. This leading from behind and the apparent cluster fock of inaccuracies and lies going on between he and his State department are what irks the hell out of me. I'm not really one of those who's all upset about what the Prez actually called the attacks.

[drobeski 3,061]

You sound a lot smarter when you imitate me.

As a conservative democrat, I feel this statement has made me a victim. You sir are an intolerant racist bigot.

[MDC 7,467]

If the bucks stops with the Prez, and he said it does, it would of been nice had he been concerned with keeping our people safe overseas before the attacks.

 

You really think the president is not concerned with keeping our people overseas safe? c'mon man.

[Cruzer 1,995]

You really think the president is not concerned with keeping our people overseas safe? c'mon man.

He said the buck stops with him, not me. Hell even Hillary tried to bail him out - he wouldn't have it. And if turns to be he and his team tried to cover this up with some video ruse, I'll really start to wonder.

[MDC 7,467]

He said the buck stops with him, not me. Hell even Hillary tried to bail him out - he wouldn't have it. And if turns to be he and his team tried to cover this up with some video ruse, I'll really start to wonder.

 

I'm asking you: Do you really think Obummer doesn't care about the safety of people overseas? And is there any reason to think anything he did compromised their safety? Like for example did he actually cut funding for embassy security or something.

 

I agree that there needs to be an honest accounting of what happened. I suspect the answer is that embassies are constantly asking for protections beyond what's in their budget and unfortunately this time one of them got burned. I also think if we're going to keep people overseas in volatile parts of the world there's always going to be risk involved. Our embassies have been under attack for decades.

 

Other than that though, do you really think the public is going to hold the White House accountable for spinning this as the reaction to a video? The public didn't hold Bush accountable when terrorists fly planes into the WTC and killled 3,000 civilians on his watch. They're going to get outraged over 4 people dying halfway across the world?

 

I guess the GOP thinks that's the case since they keep beating this drum. As a moderate Republican, it comes off as a little ridiculous to me though.

[The Moz 69]

I'm asking you: Do you really think Obummer doesn't care about the safety of people overseas? And is there any reason to think anything he did compromised their safety? Like for example did he actually cut funding for embassy security or something.

 

I agree that there needs to be an honest accounting of what happened. I suspect the answer is that embassies are constantly asking for protections beyond what's in their budget and unfortunately this time one of them got burned. I also think if we're going to keep people overseas in volatile parts of the world there's always going to be risk involved. Our embassies have been under attack for decades.

 

Other than that though, do you really think the public is going to hold the White House accountable for spinning this as the reaction to a video? The public didn't hold Bush accountable when terrorists fly planes into the WTC and killled 3,000 civilians on his watch. They're going to get outraged over 4 people dying halfway across the world?

 

I guess the GOP thinks that's the case since they keep beating this drum. As a moderate Republican, it comes off as a little ridiculous to me though.

 

In one of if not the biggest hot zone for an embassy attack Libya -- it was asked for and denied by the State Dept. Did Obama know maybe but there's a good chance not he is too busy playing golf for details. What he DID know is that is was terrorism and he knew it it right away - yet he went on to deceive people for weeks talking about some youtube video. Maybe not as bad as Watergate but it similar as all Nixon had to do is say I did not authorize this (he didn't) and just been honest - he covered it up for no real reason same as Obama here - just dumb on Obama's part.

 

Do I think this decides the election NO but Obama is very close to losing right now -- NOONE would of though 2 weeks before election day it would be a 50/50 toss up.

[Cruzer 1,995]

I'm asking you: Do you really think Obummer doesn't care about the safety of people overseas? And is there any reason to think anything he did compromised their safety? Like for example did he actually cut funding for embassy security or something.

I think he cares about lives, yes. But I also believes he's equally concerned with his own well being and getting re-elected. Cutting budgets saves money and that looks good come election time. Now not saying he did do this, saying it's plausible - least it is now in the light of what's been coming out since.

 

Other than that though, do you really think the public is going to hold the White House accountable for spinning this as the reaction to a video? The public didn't hold Bush accountable when terrorists fly planes into the WTC and killled 3,000 civilians on his watch. They're going to get outraged over 4 people dying halfway across the world?

I think they did hold him accountable, but bcoz of the urgency to get the country back to feeling safe they overlooked it and gave him the benefit of the doubt. Truth be told, Americans were prolly glad they had a gun slinging cowboy as commander in chief opposed to Al Gore at the time. In fact it was Al's boss who allowed and fostered the whole planning and training of 9/11 to happen right under his nose, was prolly a 95% chance 9/11 was going to happen in presidency just the same.... As to why would they get outraged over 4 people dying halfway across the world - most of the time they prolly would not, but it's election time, voters tend to notice those kind of things - especially if cover ups are part of it.

I guess the GOP thinks that's the case since they keep beating this drum. As a moderate Republican, it comes off as a little ridiculous to me though.

The issue wasn't ridiculous to the undecided voters who posed the question/issue to Obama at the debate - I'm sure it's also prolly not ridiculous to the families of those who were killed. Or who are still over there for that matter...... In the end this incident is not why I'm not voting to re-elect the President though - his economic record took care of that by itself.

[drobeski 3,061]

You know, we keep hearing how the reason they didnt call it a terrorist act, was they didnt want to "jump the gun" without having all of the information regarding the event.

Ok fine, but tell me, isnt focking creating the false "outrage from the video" storyline JUMPING THE GUN ?

Any of you super smart dudes care to explain that ? Bruce ?

[surferskin 30]

You know, we keep hearing how the reason they didnt call it a terrorist act, was they didnt want to "jump the gun" without having all of the information regarding the event.

Ok fine, but tell me, isnt focking creating the false "outrage from the video" storyline JUMPING THE GUN ?

Any of you super smart dudes care to explain that ? Bruce ?

Excellent point.

 

If they didn't want to jump the gun, they shouldn't have been saying anything other than "we are continuing to investigate". Instead, it appears they completely fabricated this youtube story out of thin air. It really is unbelievable.

[BunnysBastatrds 2,447]

You know, we keep hearing how the reason they didnt call it a terrorist act, was they didnt want to "jump the gun" without having all of the information regarding the event.

Ok fine, but tell me, isnt focking creating the false "outrage from the video" storyline JUMPING THE GUN ?

Any of you super smart dudes care to explain that ? Bruce ?

 

 

Or why did it take two weeks for the FBI to get there to scope and examine the crime scene?

[drobeski 3,061]

Worms, you're a smart guy, whats your opinion on the administration jumping the gun with the fake lie story ?

[BudBro 183]

Or why did it take two weeks for the FBI to get there to scope and examine the crime scene?

However, questions remain about the nature of U.S. support for the revolutions in Egypt and Libya, including reports the U.S.-aided rebels that toppled Muammar Gadhafi’s regime in Libya consisted of al-Qaida and jihad groups. The U.S. provided direct assistance, including weapons and finances, to the Libyan rebels.

 

Similarly, the Obama administration is currently aiding the rebels fighting Assad’s regime in Syria amid widespread reports that al-Qaida jihadists are included in the ranks of the Free Syrian Army.

 

During the revolution against Gadhafi’s regime, the U.S. admitted to directly arming the rebel groups.

 

At the time, rebel leader Abdel-Hakim al-Hasidi admitted in an interview that a significant number of the Libyan rebels were al-Qaida fighters, many of whom had fought U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

some trouble here lies in the fact that stevens was recruiting rebels to help with the fights against qadaffi and assad and they turned out to be al-qaeda fighters who also are fighting u.s. forces in iraq and afghanistan. there is saudi and u.s. weapons support also. nobody's ever going to find out the details of this betrayal. one of the seals killed was there looking for weapons that we could have supplied:

 

Washington, Sept 14 (ANI): One of the Americans who was killed in a recent attack on a U.S. diplomatic mission in Libya, was working with the State Department on an intelligence mission to round up dangerous weapons in the war-torn nation, it has been revealed.

 

During an interview with ABC News last month, Glen Doherty, said he personally went into the field to track down so-called MANPADS, or shoulder-fired surface-to-air missiles, to destroy them.

 

He said that he traveled throughout Libya chasing reports of the weapons, and once they were found, his team would destroy them on the spot by bashing them with hammers or repeatedly running them over with their vehicles.

 

Doherty was interviewed in late August, when he was enjoying a short time off in California before heading back to Libya just days ago.

 

According to military records, Doherty joined the Navy in 1996 and was a combat medic and a decorated member of the elite SEAL teams by the time he left active duty in 2004.

 

Doherty was one of the Americans killed alongside Ambassador Christopher Steven by a mob of protestors in the Libyan city of Benghazi. (ANI)

 

so, if it all gets out, there could be a scenario where we have an al-qaeda sympathizer as commander. also, another fast and furious, only with missiles instead of ak's.

[drobeski 3,061]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_Oqm6xCCyU

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Obama has been a lying sack from Day 1 on this. Smart people knew that from Day 1.

 

With the mountains of evidence that has come out since, even retards should be able to figure it out. Yet there are still several posters here who have no clue. That's sad.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Worms, you're a smart guy, whats your opinion on the administration jumping the gun with the fake lie story ?

While you are at it Worms, explain why the State Dept spent $70,000 on a video apologizing for the youtube video. Seems to me that $70,000 would have been better spent on security in Benghazi.......but that's just me.

[drobeski 3,061]

Another thing, now that we know they knew immediately that those at the consulate were under attack, why didn't they send help?

Imagine those poor Americans under a brutal attack by savage Muslim pigs, waiting hoping help is going to come....,9 hours nothing, 2 ,navy seals left to die, warriors trying to save the ambassador with only 1 gun

each. Wtf ......probably killed and attacked with arms obama provided.

And you dirty focking ignorant obama supporters defend this ? Shrug it off, like its nothing ?

Hacks, your boy has blood on his hands ..american blood he left to die by the muslim savages he was out apologizing for a stupid ###### video when he knew ..he focking knew.

He should be hung

[Bruce Benedict 0]

Another thing, now that we know they knew immediately that those at the consulate were under attack, why didn't they send help?

Imagine those poor Americans under a brutal attack by savage Muslim pigs, waiting hoping help is going to come....,9 hours nothing, 2 ,navy seals left to die, warriors trying to save the ambassador with only 1 gun

each. Wtf ......probably killed and attacked with arms obama provided.

And you dirty focking ignorant obama supporters defend this ? Shrug it off, like its nothing ?

Hacks, your boy has blood on his hands ..american blood he left to die by the muslim savages he was out apologizing for a stupid ###### video when he knew ..he focking knew.

He should be hung

See kids? This is why you shouldn't read fascist right wing hate-rags. They fill you with bile, and make of you a tinfoil hat wearing loony with no self control to keep from publicly ranting forth your traitorous urges and treasonous speech. All drawn from conclusions begun with "Imagine..." and "probably..." Sad, sad day to see somebody who pretended to be a proud American turn out like this.

[Reality 3,121]

House of cards.

[Phurfur 70]

See kids? This is why you shouldn't read fascist right wing hate-rags. They fill you with bile, and make of you a tinfoil hat wearing loony with no self control to keep from publicly ranting forth your traitorous urges and treasonous speech. All drawn from conclusions begun with "Imagine..." and "probably..." Sad, sad day to see somebody who pretended to be a proud American turn out like this.

 

"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly. But the traitor moves among those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not traitor, he speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their garments, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared." - Cicero, 42 B.C.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

your at least as right wing as I am ... granted i am not RP or Little R Right but I am GOP. I can never see you leaning Dem

 

maybe I missed something -- you say ur GOP yet in every election I have seen us talk about on this board you have always taken up for Dem canidate. Your a democrat just admit it. Nothing wrong with it - IMO it's just dumb to say your GOP when everything you say seems to be directly against it

 

Nothing gets by The Moz!

[Gepetto 1,370]

Did I call the spin, or did I call the spin.

 

 

me too

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Seems The Most Transparent Administration In History doesn't want to comment on the emails that exposed their lies about a youtube video.

 

WH: ‘We Decline to Comment’ on When Obama Learned of E-Mails, Met With NSC on Benghazi

 

(CNSNews.com) - The White House is declining to say when President Barack Obama first learned of three e-mails that the State Department sent to the White House on Sept. 11, 2012, directly notifying the Executive Office of the President that the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi was under attack, that U.S. Amb. Chris Stevens was at the Benghazi mission at the time of the attack, and that the group Ansar al-Sharia had taken credit for the attack.

 

The White House also declined to say when the president first met with the National Security Council after the Benghazi attack.

 

“I have been asked by one of our spokespeople to relay ‘that we decline to comment,’” said White House National Security Staff aide Debbie Bird in a written response to CNSNews.com.

 

CNSNews.com had asked Bird: 1) “When did the President first meet with the National Security Council after the Benghazi attack on 9/11/12?” 2) “When did White House staff first discuss the substance of the e-mails that went to the White House with the President or with the National Security Advisor?”

 

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/wh-we-decline-comment-when-obama-learned-e-mails-met-nsc-benghazi

[drobeski 3,061]

Getting uglier folks.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

The more that comes out, the worse it gets.

 

 

 

 

EXCLUSIVE: CIA operators were denied request for help during Benghazi attack, sources say

 

 

Fox News has learned from sources who were on the ground in Benghazi that an urgent request from the CIA annex for military back-up during the attack on the U.S. consulate and subsequent attack several hours later on the annex itself was denied by the CIA chain of command -- who also told the CIA operators twice to "stand down" rather than help the ambassador's team when shots were heard at approximately 9:40 p.m. in Benghazi on Sept. 11.

 

Former Navy SEAL Tyrone Woods was part of a small team who was at the CIA annex about a mile from the U.S. consulate where Ambassador Chris Stevens and his team came under attack. When he and others heard the shots fired, they informed their higher-ups at the annex to tell them what they were hearing and requested permission to go to the consulate and help out. They were told to "stand down," according to sources familiar with the exchange. Soon after, they were again told to "stand down."

 

Woods and at least two others ignored those orders and made their way to the consulate which at that point was on fire. Shots were exchanged. The rescue team from the CIA annex evacuated those who remained at the consulate and Sean Smith, who had been killed in the initial attack. They could not find the ambassador and returned to the CIA annex at about midnight.

 

At that point, they called again for military support and help because they were taking fire at the CIA safe house, or annex. The request was denied. There were no communications problems at the annex, according those present at the compound. The team was in constant radio contact with their headquarters. In fact, at least one member of the team was on the roof of the annex manning a heavy machine gun when mortars were fired at the CIA compound. The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Spectre gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights. The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours -- enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force operators.

Watch "Special Report Investigates: Benghazi -- New Revelations" on Fox News at 1 p.m. ET on Saturday, 3 p.m. on Sunday and 10 p.m. on Sunday.

 

A Special Operations team, or CIF which stands for Commanders in Extremis Force, operating in Central Europe had been moved to Sigonella, Italy, but they were never told to deploy. In fact, a Pentagon official says there were never any requests to deploy assets from outside the country. A second force that specializes in counterterrorism rescues was on hand at Sigonella, according to senior military and intelligence sources. According to those sources, they could have flown to Benghazi in less than two hours. They were the same distance to Benghazi as those that were sent from Tripoli. Spectre gunships are commonly used by the Special Operations community to provide close air support.

 

According to sources on the ground during the attack, the special operator on the roof of the CIA annex had visual contact and a laser pointing at the Libyan mortar team that was targeting the CIA annex. The operators were calling in coordinates of where the Libyan forces were firing from.

 

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta told reporters at the Pentagon on Thursday that there was not a clear enough picture of what was occurring on the ground in Benghazi to send help.

 

"There's a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking going on here," Panetta said Thursday. "But the basic principle here ... is that you don't deploy forces into harm's way without knowing what's going on."

U.S. officials argue that there was a period of several hours when the fighting stopped before the mortars were fired at the annex, leading officials to believe the attack was over.

 

Fox News has learned that there were two military surveillance drones redirected to Benghazi shortly after the attack on the consulate began. They were already in the vicinity. The second surveillance craft was sent to relieve the first drone, perhaps due to fuel issues. Both were capable of sending real time visuals back to U.S. officials in Washington, D.C. Any U.S. official or agency with the proper clearance, including the White House Situation Room, State Department, CIA, Pentagon and others, could call up that video in real time on their computers.

 

Tyrone Woods was later joined at the scene by fellow former Navy SEAL Glen Doherty, who was sent in from Tripoli as part of a Global Response Staff or GRS that provides security to CIA case officers and provides countersurveillance and surveillance protection. They were killed by a mortar shell at 4 a.m. Libyan time, nearly seven hours after the attack on the consulate began -- a window that represented more than enough time for the U.S. military to send back-up from nearby bases in Europe, according to sources familiar with Special Operations. Four mortars were fired at the annex. The first one struck outside the annex. Three more hit the annex.

 

A motorcade of dozens of Libyan vehicles, some mounted with 50 caliber machine guns, belonging to the February 17th Brigades, a Libyan militia which is friendly to the U.S., finally showed up at the CIA annex at approximately 3 a.m. An American Quick Reaction Force sent from Tripoli had arrived at the Benghazi airport at 2 a.m. (four hours after the initial attack on the consulate) and was delayed for 45 minutes at the airport because they could not at first get transportation, allegedly due to confusion among Libyan militias who were supposed to escort them to the annex, according to Benghazi sources.

The American special operators, Woods, Doherty and at least two others were part of the Global Response Staff, a CIA element, based at the CIA annex and were protecting CIA operators who were part of a mission to track and repurchase arms in Benghazi that had proliferated in the wake of Muammar Qaddafi's fall. Part of their mission was to find the more than 20,000 missing MANPADS, or shoulder-held missiles capable of bringing down a commercial aircraft. According to a source on the ground at the time of the attack, the team inside the CIA annex had captured three Libyan attackers and was forced to hand them over to the Libyans. U.S. officials do not know what happened to those three attackers and whether they were released by the Libyan forces.

Fox News has also learned that Stevens was in Benghazi that day to be present at the opening of an English-language school being started by the Libyan farmer who helped save an American pilot who had been shot down by pro-Qaddafi forces during the initial war to overthrow the regime. That farmer saved the life of the American pilot and the ambassador wanted to be present to launch the Libyan rescuer's new school.

 

 

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/26/cia-operators-were-denied-request-for-help-during-benghazi-attack-sources-say/#ixzz2ARXxIp00

[jerryskids 6,816]

I admit that at first I rolled my eyes a bit at the thought of this becoming his Waterloo; I thought at worst it would be a distraction. Now I'm not so sure.

[BLS 314]

I admit that at first I rolled my eyes a bit at the thought of this becoming his Waterloo; I thought at worst it would be a distraction. Now I'm not so sure.

 

 

This one has legs. It's blowing up.

Something fishy was going on.

[Little Rusty 18]

MUST WATCH: Rush military caller says beyond shadow of doubt Obama knew about Benghazi attack and ordered no response

 

http://www.therightscoop.com/must-watch-rush-military-caller-says-beyond-a-shadow-of-a-doubt-obama-knew-about-benghazi-attack-ordered-no-response/

[IGotWorms 4,058]

I admit that at first I rolled my eyes a bit at the thought of this becoming his Waterloo; I thought at worst it would be a distraction. Now I'm not so sure.

 

Romney has been getting intelligence reports for about a month now (as is standard for presidential challengers). If there was really something there, don't you think Romney would've jumped on it when Libya came up in the very first question of the third debate?

 

Instead Romney pretty much dodged the Libya question entirely. That oughta tell you something.

[BudBro 183]

Romney has been getting intelligence reports for about a month now (as is standard for presidential challengers). If there was really something there, don't you think Romney would've jumped on it when Libya came up in the very first question of the third debate?

 

Instead Romney pretty much dodged the Libya question entirely. That oughta tell you something.

or that he knows how to properly deal with military intel.

[drobeski 3,061]

He left them to die.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Romney has been getting intelligence reports for about a month now (as is standard for presidential challengers). If there was really something there, don't you think Romney would've jumped on it when Libya came up in the very first question of the third debate?

 

Instead Romney pretty much dodged the Libya question entirely. That oughta tell you something.

Hahahahahahaha

 

You really think the Obama administration is giving Romney all the intel they are trying so hard to cover up until after the election????

 

 

What a dope. :lol:

[MDC 7,467]

This will haunt Obummer til 2016!

[NorthernVike 2,087]

He left them to die.

 

 

 

Not to mention all the innocent mooslims that died during trumped up riots flamed by Obama's comments.

[drobeski 3,061]

Romney has been getting intelligence reports for about a month now (as is standard for presidential challengers). If there was really something there, don't you think Romney would've jumped on it when Libya came up in the very first question of the third debate?

 

Instead Romney pretty much dodged the Libya question entirely. That oughta tell you something.

Romney doesnt need to use it, the facts and evidence are whats going to sink obama.

Too bad he had to try and politicize it from the start rather than just give the guys the helped they begged for for months right through the event. Your boy has blood on his hands.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Seems everyone is starting to bail on the Obamatanic.

 

Petraeus Throws Obama Under the Bus

 

 

Breaking news on Benghazi: the CIA spokesman, presumably at the direction of CIA director David Petraeus, has put out this statement: "No one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need; claims to the contrary are simply inaccurate. ”

 

So who in the government did tell “anybody” not to help those in need? Someone decided not to send in military assets to help those Agency operators. Would the secretary of defense make such a decision on his own? No.

 

It would have been a presidential decision. There was presumably a rationale for such a decision. What was it? When and why—and based on whose counsel obtained in what meetings or conversations—did President Obama decide against sending in military assets to help the Americans in need?

 

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/petraeus-throws-obama-under-bus_657896.html

[TheBlade 3]

Romney has been getting intelligence reports for about a month now (as is standard for presidential challengers). If there was really something there, don't you think Romney would've jumped on it when Libya came up in the very first question of the third debate?

 

Instead Romney pretty much dodged the Libya question entirely. That oughta tell you something.

 

Or maybe Romney is taking the high road and not saying anything else about it knowing full well that the details are enough to sink Obama all by themselves. By taking that route, he avoids "politicizing" the incident while benefitting from the current administration's handling of the situation.

 

Heck, if Romney has as much information as you think he does, his camp could very easily orchestrate the leaking of the most damaging information over time to ensure it stays in the news.

[Phurfur 70]

This is 100 times worse than Watergate but where is the media on this one.

 

People died, Obama lied!

[MDC 7,467]

This is 100 times worse than Watergate

 

Full Tilt!!!

[drobeski 3,061]

Full Tilt!!!

You're obviously referring to the Obama campaign.