Is Benghazi Obama's Waterloo?

[gocolts 300]

So it was really stupid for the President to blame it entirely on a YouTube video?

 

From reading your posts it's pretty amazing the hoops people will jump through to protect their guy, huh?

I especially love the insane leaps. Wanting to know why Obama blamed an American citizen for these deaths suddenly turns into wanting all our national secrets revealed to the world.

[TheBlade 3]

I really hope all this information being made public doesn't alert the bad guys in other places that the CIA may be operating in their backyard under the guise of State Department officials. That would really suck. Especially if someone died.

 

From what I've learned and heard over the years, it's fairly common practice for CIA operatives to have a State Department cover, so much so that foreign governments tend to expect it.

[TheBlade 3]

Your fake outrage is amusing. You know who else is still waiting?

 

 

If Obama's worst foreign policy blunder only got four people killed, he's the best foreign policy President in American History, and should get a focking medal.

 

Nice straw man.

[TheBlade 3]

Nah. He should have held an internationally televised press conference announcing to the whole world that the CIA had secret quarters set up in Benghazi spying on al-Qaeda, or whatever it was they were doing there, which was subsequently attacked by al-Qaeda with heavy artillery killing 4 Americans. That would have been the smart thing to do. Maybe publish all the names of the agents that were working there as part of the operation just for the sake of full transparency.

 

I'm done with this conversation.

 

Bullsh!t. They clearly should not have released that information, but there are a hundred different ways they could've handled this without releasing that information that would've kept most Americans quiet about it.

 

That video farce was utterly ridiculous, period.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

I really hope all this information being made public doesn't alert the bad guys in other places that the CIA may be operating in their backyard under the guise of State Department officials. That would really suck. Especially if someone died.

 

I think that's probably a very real concern at this point.

[nikki2200 4]

Bullsh!t. They clearly should not have released that information, but there are a hundred different ways they could've handled this without releasing that information that would've kept most Americans quiet about it.

 

That video farce was utterly ridiculous, period.

 

I totally agree. That's the biggest fock up of the whole thing. If they had made the story even a little bit plausible, perhaps it just would have faded away as a tragedy. But who knows with the anti-Obama crowd? Is there any story they could have come up with that did not involve divulging the CIA had set up secret operations in Benghazi that would have satisfied them?

 

And I still stand firmly by the fact that there was probably a really good reason that they were doing back flips to hide the fact that al-Qaeda and the CIA were involved with this. And I think it's pretty clear that the reason was not simply political posturing by Obama.

 

ETA: Clearly the people dying was the biggest fock up before anyone jumps on me. I was talking about the handling of it after the fact.

[Gepetto 1,370]

I totally agree. That's the biggest fock up of the whole thing. If they had made the story even a little bit plausible, perhaps it just would have faded away as a tragedy. But who knows with the anti-Obama crowd? Is there any story they could have come up with that did not involve divulging the CIA had set up secret operations in Benghazi that would have satisfied them?

 

And I still stand firmly by the fact that there was probably a really good reason that they were doing back flips to hide the fact that al-Qaeda and the CIA were involved with this. And I think it's pretty clear that the reason was not simply political posturing by Obama.

 

ETA: Clearly the people dying was the biggest fock up before anyone jumps on me. I was talking about the handling of it after the fact.

 

 

Why do you keep saying it was al-Qaeda? Link?

[nikki2200 4]

More stuff coming out.

 

 

 

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/31/exclusive-us-memo-warned-libya-consulate-couldnt-withstand-coordinated-attack/#ixzz2AySHBO2P

 

 

The person who started the thread posted it. Based on this Fox News article there is a link between these attacks and al-Qaeda. Unless Fox News and RP are misrepresenting the truth again.

[Phurfur 70]

The person who started the thread posted it. Based on this Fox News article there is a link between these attacks and al-Qaeda. Unless Fox News and RP are misrepresenting the truth again.

 

 

"Fox News lies! Even true things once said on FOX News become lies."

- Lois Griffin

 

[Gepetto 1,370]

Senator John McCain calls the CIA's report not believable, and in disagreement from what those on the ground in Libya say. Calls Obama's stance on Benghazi a Coverup.

[drobeski 3,061]

Senator John McCain calls the CIA's report not believable, and in disagreement from what those on the ground in Libya say. Calls Obama's stance on Benghazi a Coverup.

Obviously McCain is just another flat earth,tin foil hat,birther,islamaphobe,homophobe,war on women mongerer,racist faux newser.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

The person who started the thread posted it. Based on this Fox News article there is a link between these attacks and al-Qaeda. Unless Fox News and RP are misrepresenting the truth again.

Since Obama's assinne youtube video story blew up in his face he has been claiming it was a terrorist attack.

 

Is Obama "misrepresenting the truth"?

[Strike 5,563]

The person who started the thread posted it. Based on this Fox News article there is a link between these attacks and al-Qaeda. Unless Fox News and RP are misrepresenting the truth again.

 

I thought you were done with this conversation?

 

 

[drobeski 3,061]

I totally agree. That's the biggest fock up of the whole thing. If they had made the story even a little bit plausible, perhaps it just would have faded away as a tragedy. But who knows with the anti-Obama crowd? Is there any story they could have come up with that did not involve divulging the CIA had set up secret operations in Benghazi that would have satisfied them?

 

And I still stand firmly by the fact that there was probably a really good reason that they were doing back flips to hide the fact that al-Qaeda and the CIA were involved with this. And I think it's pretty clear that the reason was not simply political posturing by Obama.

 

ETA: Clearly the people dying was the biggest fock up before anyone jumps on me. I was talking about the handling of it after the fact.

So the biggest fock up in this whole thing is creating a fake excuse lie youtube video ? I would think it would be getting these guys killed by not providing the security they begged for multiple times. But hey thats just me.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

So the biggest fock up in this whole thing is creating a fake excuse lie youtube video ? I would think it would be getting these guys killed by not providing the security they begged for multiple times. But hey thats just me.

The biggest tragedy of Sandy wasn't the hundred or so that died.......or how thousands lost everything. Nope, to Nikki it was that there is a chance she is gonna have to reschedule where she has her wedding.

 

She isn't real bright.

[drobeski 3,061]

The biggest tragedy of Sandy wasn't the hundred or so that died.......or how thousands lost everything. Nope, to Nikki it was that there is a chance she is gonna have to reschedule where she has her wedding.

 

She isn't real bright.

dont forget the poor runners who didnt get to post on facebook that they completed the marathon

[Phurfur 70]

The biggest tragedy of Sandy wasn't the hundred or so that died.......or how thousands lost everything. Nope, to Nikki it was that there is a chance she is gonna have to reschedule where she has her wedding.

 

She isn't real bright.

And very susceptible to mind control tactics. She is currently at the stage where she automatically rejects facts as lies without looking into it.

[nikki2200 4]

So the biggest fock up in this whole thing is creating a fake excuse lie youtube video ? I would think it would be getting these guys killed by not providing the security they begged for multiple times. But hey thats just me.

 

OK clearly you didn't read the part I wrote about the biggest fock up being people died. Whatever. Your 2nd grade literary skills are something I need to deal with when I post here.

 

But where did everyone else go? 'skids? 'nuggs? I mean I usually view those guys as fairly reasonable people that I like to go back and forth with because they are clearly not partisan hacks. But this thread got super quiet all of a sudden. Jerryskids... do you not feel the need to concede that I was right? I mean WTF???? I've been wrong in my initial reaction to shiit that has happened and I always acknowledge I was wrong. You guys just abandoned me?

 

I'm losing respect for you two. Jus' sayin'

[MDC 7,461]

Napoleon wins!

[NewbieJr 541]

Time to wrap this one up, RP. I'm going to have to say the answer is a resounding 'NO'. LOLOL

[jerryskids 6,813]

OK clearly you didn't read the part I wrote about the biggest fock up being people died. Whatever. Your 2nd grade literary skills are something I need to deal with when I post here.

 

But where did everyone else go? 'skids? 'nuggs? I mean I usually view those guys as fairly reasonable people that I like to go back and forth with because they are clearly not partisan hacks. But this thread got super quiet all of a sudden. Jerryskids... do you not feel the need to concede that I was right? I mean WTF???? I've been wrong in my initial reaction to shiit that has happened and I always acknowledge I was wrong. You guys just abandoned me?

 

I'm losing respect for you two. Jus' sayin'

You said you were done with this conversation, and I had other things to do. But since you asked:

 

Sen. John McCain Thursday called the Obama administration's response to the attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, "a classic scandal and cover-up" with Watergate overtones, saying it would likely have an impact on the election outcome by turning veterans and active-duty military personnel against the president. "I think that this Libya fiasco and tragedy is turning some veterans' votes and some active-duty military," McCain told Fox News' Greta Van Susteren Thursday night. "They are angered and disgusted. Our active duty military people believe they can't trust the president of the United States," McCain added, referring to the administration's refusal so far to publicly lay out the facts surrounding the deaths of Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans killed in the attacks. "These people are covering up so much in such a ridiculous fashion," he said. The Arizona Republican, who was his party's 2008 presidential nominee, called the administration's handling of the questions about the attack "a classic scandal and cover-up" that is "angering our veterans and . . . our active duty people." "I think it can have an impact [on the election] because we've still got five more days. And this is a classic scandal, where almost every day, or every few days, another shoe drops," McCain continued. The senator said he told some veterans who complained to him about events surrounding the Benghazi attack that "it could be as bad as Watergate." "And one of our veterans said, 'Yes, but nobody died in Watergate,'" McCain said. The senator's comments came amid reports that Stevens had cabled the State Department nearly a month before the attack, which occurred on the 11th anniversary of Sept. 11, about security concerns at the consulate and the presence of al-Qaida and other Islamist extremist groups in Benghazi. McCain and many other Republicans have complained that Stevens' warnings were ignored and that the administration failed to respond to requests for help when the consulate was actually under attack. On Thursday, the Associated Press reported that a group of CIA security agents from an agency annex in Benghazi did respond within 25 minutes of the attack beginning and managed to get most of the State Department personnel out of the consulate.

 

The story, quoting unidentified intelligence personnel, appeared to refute recent reports that the CIA told its personnel to "stand down" during the attack. McCain, however, said the nation's active duty military personnel deserve answers and would like to have them before the Nov. 6 election.

"I'm getting a reaction the likes of which I have seldom seen. . . . They know what's going on. They know a cover-up is going on. And I can tell you, they do not trust the president of the United States," he said. In a separate interview with Van Susteren, Sen. Pat Roberts offered a more critical assessment of how he thinks American military personnel have come to view the president in the wake of the Benghazi attack. The Kansas Republican said he spoke to one young man who just got out of the service after being deployed five times. "He says, 'I'm glad I'm out. I knew I was going to be in harm's way. That's why, you know, I signed up. But today, I don't think they'd have my back,'" Roberts quoted the young veteran as saying. "Now, if that's true and that starts to fester, I would hate to see any president bear that burden, whether it be [Mitt] Romney or Obama," Roberts continued. The senator said it was important to get answers now because, "You don't want to lose the morale of our service people put in harm's way. That's not right." "This has been the doggonedest series of events, where it's sort of a drip, drip, drip, you know, revelation, and it doesn't make any sense," the senator said of the administration's response to the attack. "It's a jigsaw puzzle." © 2012 Newsmax. All rights reserved.

 

 

Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com: http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/scandal-mccain-benghazi-cover-up/2012/11/02/id/462519#ixzz2BXkD7h8U

There is my answer: I agree with Senator McCain. Except about the election part; we voted for Hopey Changey Part Deux.

 

[NewbieJr 541]

You said you were done with this conversation, and I had other things to do. But since you asked:

 

 

There is my answer: I agree with Senator McCain. Except about the election part; we voted for Hopey Changey Part Deux.

:cry:

[nikki2200 4]

You said you were done with this conversation, and I had other things to do. But since you asked:

 

 

There is my answer: I agree with Senator McCain. Except about the election part; we voted for Hopey Changey Part Deux.

 

McCain was part of the Republican led oversight committee that was given security clearance to review the incident? I wasn't aware of that.

[Voltaire 5,317]

OK, this has gotten the usual suspects bent out of shape for a much longer time. What are we supposed to be angry about again?

 

Obviously, we're not supposed to be angry that four Americans are dead, right? Rats' ass, right? You guys never gave a ###### that 4000 troops got blown up in Iraq. You guys were whacking off at how great the idea of having them in harm's way was. What you're more pissed off about with Iraq is that the US death toll hasn't climbed to 5000 or 6000.

 

So that means, what we're really supposed to be angry about is that President Obama isn't being properly held accountable for terrorists blowing these four people up? Is that it?

 

Some security violation or something, get me up to speed here with some cliff notes, I don't want to read eleven pages of "Obama sucks because he was president during a terrorist attack on the embassy in a Middle east sh*thole". Is there anything more than blowing smoke here?

[Bruce Benedict 0]

McCain was part of the Republican led oversight committee that was given security clearance to review the incident? I wasn't aware of that.

Who better to drum up fake outrage over a minor international incident than a man who got famous based on being a fake war hero?

[KSB2424 3,148]

OK, this has gotten the usual suspects bent out of shape for a much longer time. What are we supposed to be angry about again?

 

Obviously, we're not supposed to be angry that four Americans are dead, right? Rats' ass, right? You guys never gave a ###### that 4000 troops got blown up in Iraq. You guys were whacking off at how great the idea of having them in harm's way was. What you're more pissed off about with Iraq is that the US death toll hasn't climbed to 5000 or 6000.

 

So that means, what we're really supposed to be angry about is that President Obama isn't being properly held accountable for terrorists blowing these four people up? Is that it?

 

Some security violation or something, get me up to speed here with some cliff notes, I don't want to read eleven pages of "Obama sucks because he was president during a terrorist attack on the embassy in a Middle east sh*thole". Is there anything more than blowing smoke here?

This issue/topic should not be partisan. Things happen overseas from time to time. The crazies blow up stuff, we all know this Voltaire.

 

The problem with Benghazi is that it appears we, the American public, were mislead. Maybe it was by "accident" or mabye it was intentionally. That is the question that needs to be answered.

 

Here is a timeline from FactCheck.Org: My link

 

This is not some partisan website trying to make Obama look bad. And as you can see what the White House told us and what is coming out as the facts (what they really knew) is not jiving. It's just not.

 

Things happen overseas. Sometimes hard decisions are made, but the one thing the American public doesn't like is a cover up. Thats why this still has legs.

 

There will be an investigation and hearing type thing on the 15th of this month. It will be interesting to see what keeps coming out.

[DankNuggs 305]

OK clearly you didn't read the part I wrote about the biggest fock up being people died. Whatever. Your 2nd grade literary skills are something I need to deal with when I post here.

 

But where did everyone else go? 'skids? 'nuggs? I mean I usually view those guys as fairly reasonable people that I like to go back and forth with because they are clearly not partisan hacks. But this thread got super quiet all of a sudden. Jerryskids... do you not feel the need to concede that I was right? I mean WTF???? I've been wrong in my initial reaction to shiit that has happened and I always acknowledge I was wrong. You guys just abandoned me?

 

I'm losing respect for you two. Jus' sayin'

He could have told the truth and said it was a planned attack of which there were rumblings months before, and they were doing a full investigation to get to the bottom of it... Didn't have to divlge CIA information. Still doesn't save him from the fact they were begging for more security and were denied. (His BS lie CONVENIENTLY does save him from this, as how could one predict pure spontaneity?)

 

Saying he's allowed carte blanche to lie to the american people under the huge guise of national security seems utterly ridiculous. People complain about the Patriot Act, then say stuff like this seems pretty hypocritical... Not just Nikki saying it...

[DankNuggs 305]

Who better to drum up fake outrage over a minor international incident than a man who got famous based on being a fake war hero?

Ambassador Assassinations by terrorists are minor international incidents? But Romney telling the Brits their Olympic security plans were in question was a major international gaffe... I get it...

[nikki2200 4]

There will be an investigation and hearing type thing on the 15th of this month. It will be interesting to see what keeps coming out.

 

From what I gathered, that WSJ article outlined pretty clearly what is going to be presented at the hearing.

[nikki2200 4]

 

 

He could have told the truth and said it was a planned attack of which there were rumblings months before, and they were doing a full investigation to get to the bottom of it... Didn't have to divlge CIA information. Still doesn't save him from the fact they were begging for more security and were denied. (His BS lie CONVENIENTLY does save him from this, as how could one predict pure spontaneity?)

Saying he's allowed carte blanche to lie to the american people under the huge guise of national security seems utterly ridiculous. People complain about the Patriot Act, then say stuff like this seems pretty hypocritical... Not just Nikki saying it...

What in the fock does the Patriot Act have to do with any of this? It's not even closely related.

[Voltaire 5,317]

This issue/topic should not be partisan. Things happen overseas from time to time. The crazies blow up stuff, we all know this Voltaire.

 

The problem with Benghazi is that it appears we, the American public, were mislead. Maybe it was by "accident" or mabye it was intentionally. That is the question that needs to be answered.

 

Here is a timeline from FactCheck.Org: My link

 

This is not some partisan website trying to make Obama look bad. And as you can see what the White House told us and what is coming out as the facts (what they really knew) is not jiving. It's just not.

 

Things happen overseas. Sometimes hard decisions are made, but the one thing the American public doesn't like is a cover up. Thats why this still has legs.

 

There will be an investigation and hearing type thing on the 15th of this month. It will be interesting to see what keeps coming out.

 

So we're supposed to be angry because at first they said the attack was inspired by the video, then later after they investigated, they changed the description to that of a terrorist attack.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

So we're supposed to be angry because at first they said the attack was inspired by the video, then later after they investigated, they changed the description to that of a terrorist attack.

I think the fact they were telling the White House Al Qeuda was training in the area and they requested on several occasions that more security be sent. These requests were denied.....people died.

 

We might also be angry for the White House watching it live for 7 hours and refusing to send help. Those requests were denied.....people died.

 

We might also be angry because the French and the Red Cross took heed of the warning and got their people out. The White House left our people in there with little security......and people died.

 

The cover up is just one of many reasons.

 

HTH

[MDC 7,461]

I think the fact they were telling the White House Al Qeuda was training in the area and they requested on several occasions that more security be sent. These requests were denied.....people died.

 

We might also be angry for the White House watching it live for 7 hours and refusing to send help. Those requests were denied.....people died.

 

We might also be angry because the French and the Red Cross took heed of the warning and got their people out. The White House left our people in there with little security......and people died.

 

The cover up is just one of many reasons.

 

HTH

 

I think everyone other than blind partisan hacks like you sees the Benghanzi story for the pseudo "scandal" Republicans desperately wanted it to be.

 

That's why you got your ass kicked.

[DankNuggs 305]

I didn't have a problem with the Patriot Act at the time. The fact that it hasn't been phased out by now is disturbing, however.

 

 

But what in the fock does the Patriot Act have to do with any of this? It's not even closely related.

Abuse of power using national security as an excuse... they are pretty parallel... You can deny citizens due process of law, you can defraud the public through lies...

[DankNuggs 305]

I think everyone other than blind partisan hacks like you sees the Benghanzi story for the pseudo "scandal" Republicans desperately wanted it to be.

 

That's why you got your ass kicked.

If this was Bush you'd have a 180 degree different take on this...

 

And if national security is his excuse, why wouldn't obama come out and say that now everything is becoming public anyways? It IS a scandal, that the MSM refused to cover because it hurt his election chances... Its not going away.

[DankNuggs 305]

So we're supposed to be angry because at first they said the attack was inspired by the video, then later after they investigated, they changed the description to that of a terrorist attack.

Only, they knew immediately it was a coordinated attack. And used the video as cover. Thus cover up... Then he went on to claim that he called it a terrorist attack in the Rose Garden, which doesn't even begin to pass the smile test... Utter incompetance.

 

But its just because he was being super smart, and protecting national security

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Napoleon wins!

 

But, but, he could still be impeached for Benghazi!

[MDC 7,461]

If this was Bush you'd have a 180 degree different take on this...

 

Uh, you speak for the party that gave Bush the world's biggest mulligan on 9/11 and the Iraq War but you keep insisting that Youtube-gate is the biggest political scandal of the century.

 

But I'm the partisan one.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Bush 9/11 Iraq War

 

 

FTDC......on Tilt since 2001.

[MDC 7,461]

FTDC......on Tilt since 2001.

 

I'm not the one who's posted 10 solid pages of Obummer! threads in the past couple years. I'm also not the guy who's convinced an fbi surveillance van is watching my every move.