Why is P. Manning in seriousMVP consideration?

[listen2me 23 1,924]

I mean 3rd is "in" the race. But win it? Why?

 

Peterson probably deserves it taking that crap team on his back as a RB.

 

But if you are going to give it to a QB, it is Rodgers by a margin over Manning.

 

Seems like most people have Manning and AP at 1-2 in some order.

 

Too much credit for injuries he "cameback" from? Which goes more for comeback player award?

[Chronic Husker 85]

Rodgers gets a 3 seed while Manning beats 10 teams in a row handily, gets home field advantage, and Rodgers deserves it.

 

 

This is why we don't listen to you.

[listen2me 23 1,924]

Did Tebow not beat Pitt in a playoff game the year before this with basically the same team. Manning's team actually has more parts than last years...

[listen2me 23 1,924]

So Hou loses a fluke game in the last week. And Packers lose a fluke game in the last week to change spots and that is all you have?

 

Because Manning won a couple more games in the JV division he should be up there with Rodgers?

 

Is that all you got?

[Chronic Husker 85]

Manning took a .500 team to 13-3 and could have sat out the 4th quarter of the last 10 wins.

 

Why in the world did you start this topic?

 

[listen2me 23 1,924]

Manning has a what? Top 3 Line? Rodgers, I don't know you can rank it if you want.

 

Rodgers hasn't had a 100 yard rusher behind him in teh last 43 games. He is the best runner on their team.

 

Did Manning's #1 WR go out for half the year? Did his 2nd and 3rd go out for a handful of games as well?

 

Did Manning have better stats than Rodgers? No.

 

Which team had the better defense?

 

Do you want me to go on? So by your logic the MVP auto goes to the QB from the team with the best record? Really? Why not Matt RYan then? A backup FB can take that team to the playoffs and win a playoff game vs. the #1 D the previous year and we want to act like taking them to teh #1 seed is so valuable of Manning?

 

Cool record bro. Manning usually has a lot of good records in teh regular season in JV divisions just to get booted in the playoffs.

[WhiteWonder 2,859]

this thread is awful homerism.

 

i have bets down on both rodgers and manning to win MVP, which means peterson probably will. If Manning wins, I break even and if Rodgers wins i'm +475. it was a complete hedge bet i made 4 or 5 weeks ago.

 

so i'd love for Rodgers to win, and i think it should be close. would have helped if he got his team a bye. still, i don't see many arguments for rodgers over manning.

[Brad GLuckman 519]

Peterson deserves the MVP.

 

After him...there's really not a whole lot separating Manning/Rodgers/Brady. They've all had great seasons, but nobody's season really stands out from the others.

[Brad GLuckman 519]

still, i don't see many arguments for rodgers over manning.

 

Neither do I.

 

But, I don't see many arguments for Manning over Rodgers either

[listen2me 23 1,924]

this thread is awful homerism.

 

i have bets down on both rodgers and manning to win MVP, which means peterson probably will. If Manning wins, I break even and if Rodgers wins i'm +475. it was a complete hedge bet i made 4 or 5 weeks ago.

 

so i'd love for Rodgers to win, and i think it should be close. would have helped if he got his team a bye. still, i don't see many arguments for rodgers over manning.

 

Homerism? I'm a Packers fan that said Peterson probably deserves it....a Viking....but it's homerism?

 

I laid out several points as to why Rodgers is more valuable than Manning. He has basically every argument going for him. They were both #2 seed going into week 17. Packers took a loss because they actually have some decent teams in their division. I don't see how a bye has much to do with it, Packers lost as a team, more so because of AWFUL tackling. But somehow that is a total blow to Rodgers and the MVP? Should Peterson of got the Vikes a bye in order to win it?

 

I don't see it fellas

[cbfalcon 827]

In a vacuum, Rodgers and Manning are about a push. Rodgers stats are better, but it's close. Manning's team is better record wise, but it's close.

 

However the difference is based on expectation. Last year Rodgers team went 15-1 and his stats were even better than this season. Last year Manning was thought to be so hurt that he would never be able to walk again. So by comparison, Rodgers has been disappointing, whereas Manning has been amazing. It's that simple.

 

Put another way, a blowjob feels really good to a guy that had been whacking it for the past 6 months. But that same blowjob may be a tad dissapppointing to a guy that's been sticking it in a warm vag for the same 6 months.

[Chronic Husker 85]

Manning has a what? Top 3 Line? Rodgers, I don't know you can rank it if you want.

 

Rodgers hasn't had a 100 yard rusher behind him in teh last 43. He is the best runner on their team.

 

Did Manning's #1 WR go out for half the year? Did his 2nd and 3rd go out for a handful of games as well?

 

Did Manning have better stats than Rodger? No.

 

Which team had the better defense?

 

Do you want me to go on? So by your logic the MVP auto goes to the QB from the team with the best record? Really? Why not Matt RYan then? A backup FB can take that team to the playoffs and win a playoff game vs. the #1 D the previous year and we want to act like taking them to teh #1 seed is so valuable of Manning?

 

Cool record bro. Manning usually has a lot of good records in teh regular season in JV divisions just to get booted in the playoffs.

 

 

Good Lord. I will qualify my end of this debate to say that Rodgers is a great player and had a great year. I'm pretty sure he even has as many Super Bowl titles as Peyton.

 

I'll also say I'll have no issue with AP winning MVP and/or comeback poy should he win either or both. I didn't touch him in ff drafts due to the history of every rb that has ever torn their acl. AP single handedly destroyed everything we knew about acl recovery.

 

Manning missed a whole year due to a broken neck and dominated 10 games in a row on his way to home field advantage in the playoffs. Despite all that, I could get behind an AP MVP.

 

As far as your oline and personnel comparisons go, the Broncos have a Pro-bowler in Clady and a solid line outside of him. Rodgers may have lost Jennings and Nelson for big parts of the year but you're going to complain about your backup wr core of Cobb, James Jones, and Finley? I seem to remember an early game vs. the Bears where Chicago couldn't block anyone on the Pack D...and the Bears were supposed to be the divisional competition.

 

Guess I don't even need to point out the convenience of your timing with posting this nonsense. You didn't have the sack to post it before the Viking game.

 

Just watch the results of the MVP voting this year. It will be Manning or AP with the other coming in second. Maybe at that point you'll double check and pull Rodgers's cack out of your mouf.

[WhiteWonder 2,859]

Homerism? I'm a Packers fan that said Peterson probably deserves it....a Viking....but it's homerism?

 

I laid out several points as to why Rodgers is more valuable than Manning. He has basically every argument going for him. They were both #2 seed going into week 17. Packers took a loss because they actually have some decent teams in their division. I don't see how a bye has much to do with it, Packers lost as a team, more so because of AWFUL tackling. But somehow that is a total blow to Rodgers and the MVP? Should Peterson of got the Vikes a bye in order to win it?

 

I don't see it fellas

 

its homerism because you sound really pissy when comparing rodgers and manning, which is the main point of your post. comparing the two QB's.

 

you can say peterson should probably win it... its the noble thing to say. but yourre not focusing on peterson as an mvp candidate, youre focusing on the two QB's.

 

if anything, it's close but your trying to make it sound like there is no way manning deserves it over rodgers and that simply isn't true.

[listen2me 23 1,924]

Sure that is what is happening here, people will factor in his injuries. Which is why there is a comeback player award.

 

But MVP. Is best player, usually offensive. Most valuable.

 

How can Manning he be considered THAT valuable when we know what FB: Tebow, did last year with less on their team?

 

They blew people out because there division is a joke and their defense is actually ones of the better ones in the league. So again, why would that make Manning THAT valuable?

 

Rodgers had injuries all over his WR core. His #1 went down for 8 weeks. His line is putrid. His running game is non-existent. As show with 43 straight games without a single 100 yard rusher. His stats were pretty much better across the board, even more so when you count his running. And he threw it less times.

 

What part of that tells anyone Manning was more valuable than Rodgers this year?

[listen2me 23 1,924]

Manning took a .500 team to 13-3 and could have sat out the 4th quarter of the last 10 wins.

 

So he could have came out the last 10 games, yet he just threw it a whole games worth more than Rodgers this year, just to pad his stats.

 

Nice

[Chronic Husker 85]

Just watch the results of the MVP voting this year. It will be Manning or AP with the other coming in second. Maybe at that point you'll double check and pull Rodgers's cack out of your mouf.

 

Nite. Think about this after you see the voting results.

[listen2me 23 1,924]

its homerism because you sound really pissy when comparing rodgers and manning, which is the main point of your post. comparing the two QB's.

 

you can say peterson should probably win it... its the noble thing to say. but yourre not focusing on peterson as an mvp candidate, youre focusing on the two QB's.

 

if anything, it's close but your trying to make it sound like there is no way manning deserves it over rodgers and that simply isn't true.

 

I'm pissy because of the crap the media throws on TV. When it really wasn't Manning this year, it was Rodgers again. I was just wondering why it is usually Manning or AP. And just tonight they threw Rodger's mug up there for the hell of it. Like "we can include him". It should be AP, there is nothing to really talk about. What he did was amazing facing 17 in the box on a crappy offense. P. Manning is in the title of the thread. He had a real good year. But no better than Brady. And not better than Rodgers. So why is he usually the QB mentioned for MVP?

 

Because people confuse nice feel good story with MVP. Coming back has nothing to do with MVP, but it will some how. It is the best player who did the most. Rodgers did more with less. Sure he didn't win 15 games while having the worst defense of all time on his team again. But hey that is pretty hard to repeat.

 

I sound pissy cuz I want it to be known who the best is. They had no problem handing 4 MVPs to Manning earlier in his career. It is Rodger's turn. But they won't consider him because he won it last year and Manning had a stiff neck.

[ens189 1]

ADP

Megatron

Rodgers

Peyton

 

Deal with it.

[listen2me 23 1,924]

Which basically proves why the NFC North is the big boys division with all the MVPs.

 

The bears bring it down though

[SUXBNME 1,583]

Manning = AP > Rodgers

[Frozenbeernuts 2,292]

Manning is dealing with a better offensibe line and a better defense than most any other qb in the league. If you are going to give it to a qb i think one of the three rookies need serious consideration.

 

AP should win though.

[rholio 339]

I don't see it fellas

 

Bingo, most accurate statement in this whole thread.

[edjr 6,736]

Manning helped a playoff team get back to the playoffs. A team that was so good it got Tim Freaking Tebow to the playoffs as a QB.

 

WOW, Manning is AWESOME! WHo else could have done what Tim Tebow could have?

[southcarolina 166]

Arguing over who is going to come in second. Hilarious. Especially when the real race will be for fourth place, between Tom Brady and Calvin Johnson.

[jerryskids 6,962]

It's gotta be AP. Christian Ponder at QB? No Harvin for much of the season? The only thing I could see against him is that he was SO strong SO soon after that devastating knee injury that people act like he is not human.

[southcarolina 166]

It's gotta be AP. Christian Ponder at QB? No Harvin for much of the season? The only thing I could see against him is that he was SO strong SO soon after that devastating knee injury that people act like he is not human.

 

I think youre missing the point of the thread. Everyone agrees AP will win it. We are arguing who will come in 2nd 3rd and 4th.

[jerryskids 6,962]

I think youre missing the point of the thread. Everyone agrees AP will win it. We are arguing who will come in 2nd 3rd and 4th.

I just reread it and I guess I'm still missing it. It seems like there is a lot of "AP = Manning, could go either way" talk. I'm putting myself squarely in the AP camp.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

Brady.

[edjr 6,736]

Brady.

 

He is expected to dominate, he won't win.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

He is expected to dominate, he won't win.

 

I was joking. Brady has had a very good season. He will be in the top 5 for the MVP voting (and should be).

 

Rodgers was better than Manning in my opinion. That line is not very good and they have had 5 starting running backs (none of whom are really that great).

 

The problem with a guy like ADP is that he comes off the field on too many plays. On 3rd and long, he is not in there. How can your MVP come out when a big play is needed. With that said, 2000 rushing yards is an amazing stat. I just think that QB's should dominate the MVP discussion.

[southcarolina 166]

I just reread it and I guess I'm still missing it. It seems like there is a lot of "AP = Manning, could go either way" talk. I'm putting myself squarely in the AP camp.

 

I was just jabbing at the Manning vs Rodgers argument. No way AP doesnt win the MVP.

 

 

 

 

1) AP

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2) Manning

3) Rodgers

4) Calvin Johnson

5) Brady

[Bruce Benedict 0]

1. AP

2. Manning

3. Brady

4. Ryan

5. Rodgers

[tikigods 76]

1. Adrian Peterson

2. Peyton Manning

3. Tom Brady

4. Calvin Johnson

5. Robert Griffin

[southcarolina 166]

I was joking. Brady has had a very good season. He will be in the top 5 for the MVP voting (and should be).

 

 

 

The problem with a guy like ADP is that he comes off the field on too many plays. On 3rd and long, he is not in there. How can your MVP come out when a big play is needed.

 

You could counter that by saying that 40% of the time a QB's only involvement in a play is not fumbling the center snap and QB/RB exchange.In other words, the QB involvement is minimal.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,292]

You could counter that by saying that 40% of the time a QB's only involvement in a play is not fumbling the center snap and QB/RB exchange.In other words, the QB involvement is minimal.

Sure you could say that, it may imply you like big furry pemus in yer butt, but you could say it.

[southcarolina 166]

Sure you could say that, it may imply you like big furry pemus in yer butt, but you could say it.

 

Umm ok. I guess it was a weak argument. I just dont think a RB should have it held against them that they dont play every single offensive play. QBs dont get hit on every single play. RBs often do, or at least a much bigger % of the time,, even if they arent carrying the ball. AP got almost 400 touches this year, and played a higher % of his teams offensive snaps (74%) than all but two RBs ( C Johnson 82% and Doug Martin 78%)If the main argument against AP is that he didnt play enough snaps, well then you may as well just call the MVP what it is.... the MVQB

 

 

 

 

EDIT: Hit add reply before i was ready

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

Umm ok. I guess it was a weak argument. I just dont think a RB should have it held against them that they dont play every single offensive play. QBs dont get hit on every single play. RBs often do, or at least a much bigger % of the time,, even if they arent carrying the ball. AP got almost 400 touches this year, and played a higher % of his teams offensive snaps (74%) than all but two RBs ( C Johnson 82% and Doug Martin 78%)If the main argument against AP is that he didnt play enough snaps, well then you may as well just call the MVP what it is.... the MVQB

 

 

 

 

EDIT: Hit add reply before i was ready

 

QB's like Manning, Rodgers and Brady are doing something on every play, even the running plays. Who do you think is calling the plays in most of those situations?

 

As far as calling it the MVQB, I don't think that it is that far off.

[drobeski 3,061]

Brady will be happy with another super bowl mvp.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,292]

Umm ok. I guess it was a weak argument. I just dont think a RB should have it held against them that they dont play every single offensive play. QBs dont get hit on every single play. RBs often do, or at least a much bigger % of the time,, even if they arent carrying the ball. AP got almost 400 touches this year, and played a higher % of his teams offensive snaps (74%) than all but two RBs ( C Johnson 82% and Doug Martin 78%)If the main argument against AP is that he didnt play enough snaps, well then you may as well just call the MVP what it is.... the MVQB

 

 

 

 

EDIT: Hit add reply before i was ready

Ok i see where youre coming from. I thought you were joking. Yeah a qb winning every year kind of elimiates the other positions on the field, but a qb is the single most important player on most teams. If you have a good team with a qb that isnt the reason youre winning its typically a group effort that gets you to the playoffs. The texans are a good example. Without any one player they still may be able to make it to the playoffs.

 

Now a team like the packers, or colts, seahawks, skins, none of them make the playoffs without their qb. Well maybe the seahawks but prob not.

 

This yeah it should go to AP imo.

[southcarolina 166]

QB's like Manning, Rodgers and Brady are doing something on every play, even the running plays. Who do you think is calling the plays in most of those situations?

 

As far as calling it the MVQB, I don't think that it is that far off.

 

Yeah they are doing something, but they arent getting hit as much as RBs. You make it sound like the fact AP needs a breather a few plays a game is some flaw in his game. All im saying is that by the nature of the RB position, they do more physically than QBs., which requires them to get a rest from time to time. When a QB gets jacked up by a blindside DE and he comes off the field for a play i dont hold that against him either. When AP isnt getting one of his 25 or so touches a game, he is pass blocking, or sprinting a 30 yard pass pattern, etc. A RB is max effort almost every play he is in the game. A QB is not. I just look at what a player does when he is in the game. IMO this season AP was hands down the best player in the NFL, so he should be the MVP.

 

 

And im not trying to say QBs are poosays or anything. It takes a complete badass to stand in looking down the barrel of a blitzing LB and deliver a pass knowing you are going to get hammered.

 

 

In the end i dont care who wins the trophy. All i care about is the SB.