***The Official Seattle Seahawks 2013 Offseason Thread***

[phillybear 364]

Adam Schefter

Lions DE Cliff Avril is on a flight to Seattle to take his first visit with the Seahawks.

 

If you don't know why this could be massive, start with Google.

[phillybear 364]

Adam Schefter

Lions DE Cliff Avril is on a flight to Seattle to take his first visit with the Seahawks.

 

If you don't know why this could be massive, start with Google.

 

I think we just signed him.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

Rotoworld is saying Avril is a done deal.

 

26 years old and he seems to be the prototypical Chris Clemons style Leo end. I was hearing rumors about him a couple months ago and it sounded like he might be a little expensive. I can't wait to see the details on his contract when they become available.

[FlaHawker 24]

dONE DEAL. HOLY ###### WHERE DID THIS COME FROM???

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/13/seahawks-make-splash-on-defense-with-cliff-avril-signing/

[Joey Gladstone 33]

Never before has this topic title been so appropriate!!!

[kilroy69 994]

wowwww.

[phillybear 364]

dONE DEAL. HOLY ###### WHERE DID THIS COME FROM???

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/13/seahawks-make-splash-on-defense-with-cliff-avril-signing/

 

Honestly, I think the Harvin deal was so cap friendly, Schneider felt he was playing with house money. And I did harp on the fact that we were so far under the cap still earlier today...Sheesh.

 

I plan on downing the rest of this bottle of spirits and running around my neighbor butt nekkid tonight. While spinning my briefs over my head.

[phillybear 364]

OK, 49ers. It's your move.

[Saint Elistan 106]

He and Anthony Davis hate each other - with a passion. Appropriate place for him to land. Nice addition, fock. Hope you over paid!

[phillybear 364]

He and Anthony Davis hate each other - with a passion. Appropriate place for him to land. Nice addition, fock. Hope you over paid!

 

Look, I'm going to have to ignore your nice guy gestures, so that I can focus my full hatred on the 49ers this point forward. Hope that you understand.

 

Now, die.

[phillybear 364]

It's not a fluke. They told us. Impact players rather than roster turnover and adding bodies. Harvin. Avril. Fock me. This is just stunning. Ruskell, eat me.

 

I'm not so sure they don't pull an injury settlement with Clemons and he is gone. Hey, Jon Abraham is still out there too.

[FlaHawker 24]

Look, I'm going to have to ignore your nice guy gestures, so that I can focus my full hatred on the 49ers this point forward. Hope that you understand.

 

Now, die.

Fock Harbaugh, Fock Kap, Fock Niner Nation.

[FlaHawker 24]

It's not a fluke. They told us. Impact players rather than roster turnover and adding bodies. Harvin. Avril. Fock me. This is just stunning. Ruskell, eat me.

 

I'm not so sure they don't pull an injury settlement with Clemons and he is gone. Hey, Jon Abraham is still out there too.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avobSO3e7Bg

[Joey Gladstone 33]

Dude has forced an ass ton of fumbles too!!

 

It's been a few years, but I'm going to have to make it out to a couple games this year!!

[phillybear 364]

Cliff Arvil is a 2 year deal. Details to follow.

 

I guess Detroit should stop raiding our free agents the past couple of years. Sooner or later, the empire strikes back. I'd gladly take Avril over Jones.

[phillybear 364]

Really? Warren Sapp keeps saying the Niners are the most improved team this off season. Hey, they've lost a number of key players. Why is he/they ignoring that? I feel like someone is slapping my nuts and telling me it's my imagination.

[FlaHawker 24]

Anthony Davis is about to get Avriled!! :headbanger:

[Joey Gladstone 33]

Is Davis 15?

[FlaHawker 24]

Cliff Arvil is a 2 year deal. Details to follow.

 

I guess Detroit should stop raiding our free agents the past couple of years. Sooner or later, the empire strikes back. I'd gladly take Avril over Jones.

2 years 7.5 million per. A Russell Wilson discount!!

[phillybear 364]

Avril 2 years, 15 million, 7.5 per year.

[FlaHawker 24]

Is Davis 15?

Just more fuel to hate those d-bags from Frisco

[GreenTD 56]

Another great move by the Seahawks. That defense coupled with the 12th man are gonna make it downright scary to play in Seattle.

 

Looks like Avril might've taken a little less money to play for a legit Superbowl contender instead of being a rich man stuck on a sh1tty team.

 

Must be fun to be a Seahawks fan right about now, eh fellas?

[Hawkfin 32]

Another great move by the Seahawks. That defense coupled with the 12th man are gonna make it downright scary to play in Seattle.

 

Looks like Avril might've taken a little less money to play for a legit Superbowl contender instead of being a rich man stuck on a sh1tty team.

 

Must be fun to be a Seahawks fan right about now, eh fellas?

Nice!

I was thinking abraham, but this is even better

[Saint Elistan 106]

Sure wish we had the talkative fanbase you guys share on here. I feel like Giants Fan in our thread.

 

The NFC West is going to be a bloodbath next year.

[phillybear 364]

Let this thought sink in. Seattle has just signed arguably the very best Unrestricted Free Agent this year, for way under initial market value, for their most pressing need position. After stealing Percy Harvin the previous day.

 

Just bask in that for a moment or three. Ah...........................nirvana.

[rholio 339]

Really? Warren Sapp keeps saying the Niners are the most improved team this off season. Hey, they've lost a number of key players. Why is he/they ignoring that? I feel like someone is slapping my nuts and telling me it's my imagination.

I'd put the Seahawks and Dolphins both ahead of the 49ers so far. Between them, they've landed the top two free agents in Avril and Wallace, plus added great pieces with Harvin for the Seahawks and Ellerbe in Miami. 49ers have added some nice players, but they've also lost some.

[Hawkfin 32]

Let this thought sink in. Seattle has just signed arguably the very best Unrestricted Free Agent this year, for way under initial market value, for their most pressing need position. After stealing Percy Harvin the previous day.

 

Just bask in that for a moment or three. Ah...........................nirvana.

It feels so good!!!

 

Amazing what a good GM can actually do. We've never really had one in this town and why we've suffered so long.

I love Schneider! Pete too, they are perfect and work great together. I'm sure it's both of them.

 

But, Mr. Schneider is the "IT" factor for me. He turns everything to gold. This team is put together like a dream.

 

Props FO!

We're building a dynasty and it's so good to see.

[Kopy 491]

It feels so good!!!

 

Amazing what a good GM can actually do. We've never really had one in this town and why we've suffered so long.

I love Schneider! Pete too, they are perfect and work great together. I'm sure it's both of them.

 

But, Mr. Schneider is the "IT" factor for me. He turns everything to gold. This team is put together like a dream.

 

Props FO!

We're building a dynasty and it's so good to see.

 

I'm still speechless.

[Groundhog 24]

Love these moves. Love them. We had two pressing needs going into the draft - a speedy WR to stretch the field, and an edge pass rusher - and we got both. Well technically we also need Big Red to get healthy again so the run defense returns to normal, but the first two were areas we needed to address either in FA or the draft.

 

We get one of the most game-changing WRs out there in Harvin. He's also only 24.

We get one of the better pass rushers in free agency. Avril is only 26. Personally I would probably have liked Randy Starks a little better, but the Fins franchised him. Avril is a more than acceptable solution to me.

 

These are not over-the-hill 30-somethings whose best days are behind them. These are guys still approaching their peaks.

 

The only downside, as far as I can tell, is Harvin's cap hit in 2014 is pretty big. Maybe it means moving or cutting Sidney Rice to clear up some room for other needs. But for now we're in good shape.

 

Now we look at the #56 spot in the draft and can go best player available - maybe a weakside LB to replace Hill, maybe another pass catching TE to complement Miller. Maybe someone to challenge Breno at RT. If these are your biggest problems, your team is in really, really good shape.

[Hawkfin 32]

Love these moves. Love them. We had two pressing needs going into the draft - a speedy WR to stretch the field, and an edge pass rusher - and we got both. Well technically we also need Big Red to get healthy again so the run defense returns to normal, but the first two were areas we needed to address either in FA or the draft.

 

We get one of the most game-changing WRs out there in Harvin. He's also only 24.

We get one of the better pass rushers in free agency. Avril is only 26. Personally I would probably have liked Randy Starks a little better, but the Fins franchised him. Avril is a more than acceptable solution to me.

 

These are not over-the-hill 30-somethings whose best days are behind them. These are guys still approaching their peaks.

 

The only downside, as far as I can tell, is Harvin's cap hit in 2014 is pretty big. Maybe it means moving or cutting Sidney Rice to clear up some room for other needs. But for now we're in good shape.

 

Now we look at the #56 spot in the draft and can go best player available - maybe a weakside LB to replace Hill, maybe another pass catching TE to complement Miller. Maybe someone to challenge Breno at RT. If these are your biggest problems, your team is in really, really good shape.

Couldn't agree more - But I say DT at #56 to challenge and replace Big Red/Mebane, who I AM hoping has a better year this year.

3rd rounder can go for that LB. Somebody that can cover TE's. OR if not that, then a stud MLB to support run. Move the other guy's outside.

[phillybear 364]

At this point, it's interesting to reassess needs after the recent acquisitions of Harvin and Avril headed into the bargain hunting of free agency and the looming draft.

 

It would be very easy to anticipate that the draft picks will be very heavy on defense. Probably the one single weak spot in the starting lineup on offense or defense is the weakside linebacker spot occupied by Leroy Hill for quite some time now. He may or may not return but it won't be as a starter. While he is a solid all around player, he is losing some speed and isn't a good coverage LB, which is what this defense requires from the outside linebacker. I don't think the long term replacement is on the roster. What, Malcolm Smith, Matt McCoy, Mike Morgan? Decent enough depth guys I guess, but not the answer. And while Korey Toomer is lingering, he can't do anything but run fast. So, the draft is where we will have to explore in finding the better answer. Unless they think about moving Bruce Irvin to a blitzing linebacker position, as long as they don't expect him to tackle on running plays.

 

DT is a need area. Brandon Mebane does a nice job as a starter, is a good player against the run. But this team sorely lacks any kind of push up the middle from the DT spot. Jason Jones was an impact player at DT in collapsing the pocket and keeping the Seahawks in the top of the league against the run. When he was healthy. When he got hurt, it all fell apart. Clemons and Irvin were less effective in the 2nd half as they were pushed past the QB on the outside as the QB could step up in the pocket with nobody getting close. Alan Branch was a nice player, that was a run stopping specialist. Again, no pressure up the middle. Jaye Howard was a total bust last season. Clinton McDonald is a rotation guy that can play maybe a series or two a game at best. I know that we brought in a D line coach from Florida with a good reputation which can help, but he can't coach tackling dummies. They have to bring in some bodies and hope for the best.

 

They have a couple of young guys in the secondary, Winston Guy, Jeron Johnson, Jeremy Lane as insurance for when the contracts start to expire on the starters. And of course the extremely talented but extremely injury prone Walter Thurmond is still around. I can't imagine they draft anyone for depth this year.

 

Of course, DE is still a need area. Getting Clemons back is a luxury, so don't get your hopes up. We need another pass rushing DE.

 

On offense, maybe you draft someone to challenge for the #3 QB spot with a late pick. The WRs are mostly set. FB, fine. Unger and Okung are top notch, the rest of the linemen are good enough at this point, but an upgrade might be nice at one of the guard spots. I don't know if Sweezey/Moffit is the long term answer on one side, and is Carpenter going to transition to guard effectively?

 

With Leon Washington gone, an upgrade at RB might be a possibility, with Lynch's potential suspension looming.

 

TE was a need area, as the plan was to pair Zach Miller with anther pass catching threat. But the acquisition of Harvin lends the offense to more of a 3WR and 1TE look now or 4 WR as opposed to 2 WRs and 2 TEs, so I don't think it's that big of a deal to upgrade over McCoy. Yes, Anthony McCoy drops some easy passes, but when he catches it, it sneaky how productive his stats really are.

 

Oh, and we still have to sign/resign a kicker.

[Hawkfin 32]

At this point, it's interesting to reassess needs after the recent acquisitions of Harvin and Avril headed into the bargain hunting of free agency and the looming draft.

 

It would be very easy to anticipate that the draft picks will be very heavy on defense. Probably the one single weak spot in the starting lineup on offense or defense is the weakside linebacker spot occupied by Leroy Hill for quite some time now. He may or may not return but it won't be as a starter. While he is a solid all around player, he is losing some speed and isn't a good coverage LB, which is what this defense requires from the outside linebacker. I don't think the long term replacement is on the roster. What, Malcolm Smith, Matt McCoy, Mike Morgan? Decent enough depth guys I guess, but not the answer. And while Korey Toomer is lingering, he can't do anything but run fast. So, the draft is where we will have to explore in finding the better answer. Unless they think about moving Bruce Irvin to a blitzing linebacker position, as long as they don't expect him to tackle on running plays.

 

DT is a need area. Brandon Mebane does a nice job as a starter, is a good player against the run. But this team sorely lacks any kind of push up the middle from the DT spot. Jason Jones was an impact player at DT in collapsing the pocket and keeping the Seahawks in the top of the league against the run. When he was healthy. When he got hurt, it all fell apart. Clemons and Irvin were less effective in the 2nd half as they were pushed past the QB on the outside as the QB could step up in the pocket with nobody getting close. Alan Branch was a nice player, that was a run stopping specialist. Again, no pressure up the middle. Jaye Howard was a total bust last season. Clinton McDonald is a rotation guy that can play maybe a series or two a game at best. I know that we brought in a D line coach from Florida with a good reputation which can help, but he can't coach tackling dummies. They have to bring in some bodies and hope for the best.

 

They have a couple of young guys in the secondary, Winston Guy, Jeron Johnson, Jeremy Lane as insurance for when the contracts start to expire on the starters. And of course the extremely talented but extremely injury prone Walter Thurmond is still around. I can't imagine they draft anyone for depth this year.

 

Of course, DE is still a need area. Getting Clemons back is a luxury, so don't get your hopes up. We need another pass rushing DE.

 

On offense, maybe you draft someone to challenge for the #3 QB spot with a late pick. The WRs are mostly set. FB, fine. Unger and Okung are top notch, the rest of the linemen are good enough at this point, but an upgrade might be nice at one of the guard spots. I don't know if Sweezey/Moffit is the long term answer on one side, and is Carpenter going to transition to guard effectively?

 

With Leon Washington gone, an upgrade at RB might be a possibility, with Lynch's potential suspension looming.

 

TE was a need area, as the plan was to pair Zach Miller with anther pass catching threat. But the acquisition of Harvin lends the offense to more of a 3WR and 1TE look now or 4 WR as opposed to 2 WRs and 2 TEs, so I don't think it's that big of a deal to upgrade over McCoy. Yes, Anthony McCoy drops some easy passes, but when he catches it, it sneaky how productive his stats really are.

 

Oh, and we still have to sign/resign a kicker.

Good read, and I agree for the most part....

 

Don't forget about that TE we picked up this year. He might be a nice little nugget. I also kind of like McCoy a little bit. I see a possible need, only because I'm not sure Z. Miller is the long term solution and good enough. He's very servicable, but I don't think all that special. But, I would wait on this one this year unless a top one drops maybe.

 

O-line - I really think we should not worry about it. We've invested a lot, and I still like Moffit and some of the other guy's we got going. Some of them should even improve more with another year.

 

QB - I wouldn't worry about it until we trade Flynn. If that happens, I would for sure look to draft one late.

RB - We could add one late, there is lots of depth. It would be nice to get a "Speed back" instead though. Replace L. Washington with potential starter. I won't mind if we wait on this either though and load up Def.

 

WR - There's lots of depth here in the draft, I would really like to add one actually. I like Harrison in the 4th round even. I feel Tate or Rice or both could be gone in a year or two.

 

D/T - YES, I say 2nd round pick - (We could use two unless we resign Branch)

 

OLB - YES, I say 3rd rounder - We really do need somebody to cover the TE. (If there is a good MLB that's ok too)

 

DE - Yes, but I think we can wait now. I still think Irvin can improve and gain power. (4th+ round pick)

 

Corner/Safety - I like our young guy's at corner, you can never go wrong with adding one late though. Safety probably would be better especially if they think Chancler has a shot of being let go when his contract is up.

(5th+ round)

 

RECAP

2nd - DT (S. Williams, K. Short, J. Jenkins, J. Williams, or B. Williams)

3rd - LB (Not sure who yet)

4th - WR (M. Harrison)

5th - DT/open (Depending if Branch resigns)

5th - LB

6th - DE

7th - RB (Speed back)

7th - Safety/Corner

 

I could see the 5th and 7th and Flynn as trade bait to move back up for target players.

[Kopy 491]

Love these moves. Love them. We had two pressing needs going into the draft - a speedy WR to stretch the field, and an edge pass rusher - and we got both. Well technically we also need Big Red to get healthy again so the run defense returns to normal, but the first two were areas we needed to address either in FA or the draft.

 

We get one of the most game-changing WRs out there in Harvin. He's also only 24.

We get one of the better pass rushers in free agency. Avril is only 26. Personally I would probably have liked Randy Starks a little better, but the Fins franchised him. Avril is a more than acceptable solution to me.

 

These are not over-the-hill 30-somethings whose best days are behind them. These are guys still approaching their peaks.

 

The only downside, as far as I can tell, is Harvin's cap hit in 2014 is pretty big. Maybe it means moving or cutting Sidney Rice to clear up some room for other needs. But for now we're in good shape.

Now we look at the #56 spot in the draft and can go best player available - maybe a weakside LB to replace Hill, maybe another pass catching TE to complement Miller. Maybe someone to challenge Breno at RT. If these are your biggest problems, your team is in really, really good shape.

 

I would venture to guess that both Flynn at QB, and Miller at TE would either restructure, or be gone by this point. This would be the savings we'd need.

[Fantasy Noob 10]

I love the Avril signing this is what our team needed more than anything. Avril and Clemons should dramactically improve and stabilize our pass rush (it was very iffy when Clemons wasn't on the field), also this byes time for Irvin to improve and learn from a couple of vets.

 

I really love how this sets us up in the draft, just best available and try to nail the middle rounds.

 

I am not sold on Harvin' I love the guy for fantasy football but am worried he overlaps with Baldwin/Tate in skill sets and positions. I know he is quick but I don't remember the Vikings using him on many deep vertical routes to stretch the field possibly due to his height. Anybody confirm his proficiency on deep routes?

 

Love how our team is constructed but lets hope we can avoid the analyst trendy superbowl pick jinx. The 49ers are absolutely loaded on defense and they have a ton of picks this year as well.

 

We need to win the division and get homefield advantage, the wild card won't cut it.

[Kopy 491]

For some reason, my esp is envisioning Stepfan Taylor from stanford or Zac Stacy from Vanderbilt as a 5th round draft pick for us.

 

Kind of like a Lynch and Turbin a little, and can play special teams.

Each one could be the perfect #3 runningback for us. They could play special teams. I could also see them playing fullback if we got into a jam. And if they needed to be the backup, or even the starter for us for a game or two. I don't think we'd have to change the game plan any for them.

[FlaHawker 24]

At this point, it's interesting to reassess needs after the recent acquisitions of Harvin and Avril headed into the bargain hunting of free agency and the looming draft.

 

It would be very easy to anticipate that the draft picks will be very heavy on defense. Probably the one single weak spot in the starting lineup on offense or defense is the weakside linebacker spot occupied by Leroy Hill for quite some time now. He may or may not return but it won't be as a starter. While he is a solid all around player, he is losing some speed and isn't a good coverage LB, which is what this defense requires from the outside linebacker. I don't think the long term replacement is on the roster. What, Malcolm Smith, Matt McCoy, Mike Morgan? Decent enough depth guys I guess, but not the answer. And while Korey Toomer is lingering, he can't do anything but run fast. So, the draft is where we will have to explore in finding the better answer. Unless they think about moving Bruce Irvin to a blitzing linebacker position, as long as they don't expect him to tackle on running plays.

 

DT is a need area. Brandon Mebane does a nice job as a starter, is a good player against the run. But this team sorely lacks any kind of push up the middle from the DT spot. Jason Jones was an impact player at DT in collapsing the pocket and keeping the Seahawks in the top of the league against the run. When he was healthy. When he got hurt, it all fell apart. Clemons and Irvin were less effective in the 2nd half as they were pushed past the QB on the outside as the QB could step up in the pocket with nobody getting close. Alan Branch was a nice player, that was a run stopping specialist. Again, no pressure up the middle. Jaye Howard was a total bust last season. Clinton McDonald is a rotation guy that can play maybe a series or two a game at best. I know that we brought in a D line coach from Florida with a good reputation which can help, but he can't coach tackling dummies. They have to bring in some bodies and hope for the best.

 

They have a couple of young guys in the secondary, Winston Guy, Jeron Johnson, Jeremy Lane as insurance for when the contracts start to expire on the starters. And of course the extremely talented but extremely injury prone Walter Thurmond is still around. I can't imagine they draft anyone for depth this year.

 

Of course, DE is still a need area. Getting Clemons back is a luxury, so don't get your hopes up. We need another pass rushing DE.

 

On offense, maybe you draft someone to challenge for the #3 QB spot with a late pick. The WRs are mostly set. FB, fine. Unger and Okung are top notch, the rest of the linemen are good enough at this point, but an upgrade might be nice at one of the guard spots. I don't know if Sweezey/Moffit is the long term answer on one side, and is Carpenter going to transition to guard effectively?

 

With Leon Washington gone, an upgrade at RB might be a possibility, with Lynch's potential suspension looming.

 

TE was a need area, as the plan was to pair Zach Miller with anther pass catching threat. But the acquisition of Harvin lends the offense to more of a 3WR and 1TE look now or 4 WR as opposed to 2 WRs and 2 TEs, so I don't think it's that big of a deal to upgrade over McCoy. Yes, Anthony McCoy drops some easy passes, but when he catches it, it sneaky how productive his stats really are.

 

Oh, and we still have to sign/resign a kicker.

Jaye Howard. Interesting name. Yes, he did nothing last year. Hwowever, his D coordinator at UF was Dan Quinn who is now the D coordinator in Seattle. I'm sure Quinn recommended Howard to the Hawks. I wonder if Quinn can get this guy to play up to his potential. If that is the case, then we have an improved 3-tech.

[Hawkfin 32]

I love the Avril signing this is what our team needed more than anything. Avril and Clemons should dramactically improve and stabilize our pass rush (it was very iffy when Clemons wasn't on the field), also this byes time for Irvin to improve and learn from a couple of vets.

 

I really love how this sets us up in the draft, just best available and try to nail the middle rounds.

 

I am not sold on Harvin' I love the guy for fantasy football but am worried he overlaps with Baldwin/Tate in skill sets and positions. I know he is quick but I don't remember the Vikings using him on many deep vertical routes to stretch the field possibly due to his height. Anybody confirm his proficiency on deep routes?

 

Love how our team is constructed but lets hope we can avoid the analyst trendy superbowl pick jinx. The 49ers are absolutely loaded on defense and they have a ton of picks this year as well.

 

We need to win the division and get homefield advantage, the wild card won't cut it.

I think you will be very happy with Harvin. You also have to remember he played with lousy QB play and no good WR opposite him. To me ADP is a wash with our running game/Lynch so that doesn't factor. We don't know how good Harvin can even be yet and he was among the top wides last year until we knocked him out.

 

As far as the deep ball with Harvin, he can do it. That's not really what he does, but I've seen some long passes to him. He's even out jumped folks. I would say it's not a huge thing for him, but a 25 yard seperation route and then taking it the distance probably is. (Had to add in, the QB being able to throw deep has to factor into Harvin not doing it. They worked him underneith more so)

But, he'll work our "welker role". He'll always be open with potential to take it the distance. Then occationally go deep too.

What he does is probably open the door for S. Rice to go deep more!! Or Tate even.

And then he'll run all the gagets, bubble screans, misdirections, Running, etc. and excell.

 

Plus he gives us the Kicking duties too.

 

He's BIG for the team. I havn't figured his F.F. value yet. But, he's going to help win us many games and open up everything for everybody. And give us major speed and big play ability.

 

He can seperate from corners! Huge need, especially on 3rd downs. And when Wilson buys time, LOOK OUT.

[FlaHawker 24]

I love the Avril signing this is what our team needed more than anything. Avril and Clemons should dramactically improve and stabilize our pass rush (it was very iffy when Clemons wasn't on the field), also this byes time for Irvin to improve and learn from a couple of vets.

 

 

Love how our team is constructed but lets hope we can avoid the analyst trendy superbowl pick jinx. The 49ers are absolutely loaded on defense and they have a ton of picks this year as well.

 

The 49ers lost Dashon Goldson and I think a DT do they might not be as loaded as you think. Yes, they have a lot of picks but that doesn't mean they wll be quality picks--see AJ Jenkins from last year.

[phillybear 364]

I am not sold on Harvin' I love the guy for fantasy football but am worried he overlaps with Baldwin/Tate in skill sets and positions. I know he is quick but I don't remember the Vikings using him on many deep vertical routes to stretch the field possibly due to his height. Anybody confirm his proficiency on deep routes?

 

Last season, Rice, Tate, and Baldwin at various times were all catching the deep ball. As will Harvin. They all bring a somewhat unique skill, but for the most part our WRs are very interchangeable and can line up anywhere. Which would you prefer, knowing that you have the one deep guy that will run mostly posts and streaks up the sidelines so just backpedal and give him a cushion in coverage, or the unpredictability of any of the WRs lined up is going deep or maybe a 5 yard out? Hell, against Atlanta, I think Z Miller was the deep threat. The passing game isn't going to necessarily be out the long ball unless there is a breakdown in coverage, but the yards after the catch will be huge. 2 of the top 4 WRs are kick/punt returners (Tate, Harvin). That's where the danger lies, in the open field. YAC.

[FlaHawker 24]

 

 

I am not sold on Harvin' I love the guy for fantasy football but am worried he overlaps with Baldwin/Tate in skill sets and positions. I know he is quick but I don't remember the Vikings using him on many deep vertical routes to stretch the field possibly due to his height. Anybody confirm his proficiency on deep routes?

 

 

You might find this interesting;

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji9kxcbjimM