***The Official Seattle Seahawks 2013 Offseason Thread***

[FlaHawker 24]

From rotoworld:

 

Seahawks agreed to terms with CB Antoine Winfield, formerly of the Vikings, on a one-year contract.

Winfield, 36 in June, picked the Seahawks over the Vikings and Redskins. His addition is a massive upgrade on injury-prone burn victim Marcus Trufant, who manned the slot for Seattle last season. Sandwiching Winfield between Richard Sherman and Brandon Browner gives Seattle arguably the top cornerback trio in the league. The Seahawks' roster has no holes outside of a questionable offensive line, and they're shaping up as the early Super Bowl favorite.

 

Yeah buddy!!!

Your move Harbaugh!

[phillybear 366]

OK. This is getting reGoddamndiculous. Too many good things are suddenly coming to fruition. This can't possibly be real, can it?

 

Oh, yeah. Still plenty of money under the cap.....

 

Oh, yeah, oh, yeah. There are 5 Pro Bowlers in the secondary. Is this arguably the greatest defensive secondary ever assembled, on paper?

[Saint Elistan 106]

Your move Harbaugh!

 

Charles Woodson maybe? Meh, ready for the draft.

 

49ers have 13 Draft Picks - 5 in the top 93...

Seahawks have 11 Draft Picks - No First Rounder and 8 of them in the 5th Round or Later...

 

We can settle this there. Don't wanna hear about signing aging players in the secondary anymore, though.

 

What did you guys pay him? 3 Million? That's a lot for a dinosaur. Good crew in that secondary now though. Looking forward to Kaepernick picking them apart this year.

[FlaHawker 24]

Charles Woodson maybe? Meh, ready for the draft.

 

49ers have 13 Draft Picks - 5 in the top 93...

Seahawks have 11 Draft Picks - No First Rounder and 8 of them in the 5th Round or Later...

 

We can settle this there. Don't wanna hear about signing aging players in the secondary anymore, though.

 

What did you guys pay him? 3 Million? That's a lot for a dinosaur. Good crew in that secondary now though. Looking forward to Kaepernick picking them apart this year.

We'll settle this on the field, not the draft. I'm not sure where you saw the 3 million; I haven't seent yhat reported but even if it is, still a huge upgrade at slot corner. I mean who can the niners thow at him? AJ Jenkins? Good luck with that! Yes we have 8 picks 5th round or later where Johnny Jedi works his magic!

[Kopy 572]

Except for a tweak here and a tweak there. And I expect the draft and training camp/pre season to settle some of the little things.

 

But at this stage of the game. Heading into this years draft. Our most glaring need is at backup quarterback.

 

Let me repeat this, at least for my own sake. This teams biggest hole is at BACKUP QB!

I'm not even sure how I'm supposed to fell at this point. This is all new territory to me.

 

I feel a little tingly in my private parts.

[FlaHawker 24]

Except for a tweak here and a tweak there. And I expect the draft and training camp/pre season to settle some of the little things.

 

But at this stage of the game. Heading into this years draft. Our most glaring need is at backup quarterback.

 

Let me repeat this, at least for my own sake. This teams biggest hole is at BACKUP QB!

I'm not even sure how I'm supposed to fell at this point. This is all new territory to me.

 

I feel a little tingly in my private parts.

Yes we need a back up QB for sure but pass rush and LB are two needs at the top of my list.

[Hawkfin 32]

Except for a tweak here and a tweak there. And I expect the draft and training camp/pre season to settle some of the little things.

 

But at this stage of the game. Heading into this years draft. Our most glaring need is at backup quarterback.

 

Let me repeat this, at least for my own sake. This teams biggest hole is at BACKUP QB!

I'm not even sure how I'm supposed to fell at this point. This is all new territory to me.

 

I feel a little tingly in my private parts.

No, we still need DT and LB before backup QB. I think DT is a pretty big need the most now.

I'd like S. Williams or K. Short. Sleeper B. Williams. (Maybe Jenkins)

(Greene/LB would still be a sweet pick though)

 

This move might really help with the "TE coverage" / LB need. I could see him taking TE's even if need be.

I like the move. We really needed a good Nickel CB. And Winfield can really tackle too to help the run.

[Kopy 572]

My fellow countrymen. I would not over react too hastly. With a 2nd,3rd,4th still available, and the way this administration has been able to find value after the so called "top 50". I'm sure another D player or two is in the works. Like I said. A tweak here or there.

Don't forget, we also still need a kicker. IF OUR SEASON COMES DOWN TO A KICKER, MY COMPUTER IS OUT THE MOTHER F'N WINDOW!!!

 

O.K. calm.

Straighten tie.

Kiss a baby.

Wave to the crowd.

Wink at the pretty ladies.

Give a 2 thumbs up.

 

Where was I? O.K. yeah. We're in a good position right now, and it's something we're (at least me) am not used too. Outside of the backup to our starting QB. The Dally Lamma himself. The holey R.W. We're pretty covered, pretty solid. He get's hurt, we're screwed.

 

BUT how many times does your starting QB actually go down.

See; good spot to be in.

 

P.S. Vote for me.

[Kopy 572]

Rotoworld:

 

"Antoine Winfield - DB - Seahawks Antoine Winfield's one-year contract with Seattle is worth $3 million with $1 million guaranteed.

Not that we should be surprised considering GM John Schneider's consistently savvy player acquisition, but it's quite the value pickup for the Seahawks. Winfield graded out in 2012 as Pro Football Focus' best cornerback in the league. (Richard Sherman was No. 2 and Brandon Browner was 22 among 113 qualifiers.) Per NFL Network's Ian Rapoport, the Broncos and Patriots dabbled in the Winfield bidding, in addition to Seattle, Washington, and Minnesota. "

[phillybear 366]

So, the money saved by giving away Flynn was pretty much what the total money spent on Winfield was. Interesting.

 

I have to speculate that we might draft a kicker. Hauschka was automatic in kicks under 50, but didn't have the leg nor accuracy for long kicks. I couldn't help but wonder what could have been at the end of the Atlanta game, when a 60+ yard FG attempt would have won the game on the last play, but it was never even a consideration. Maybe we are looking for a bigger leg at the position.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

So other than maybe outside linebacker JS/PC are mainly drafting backups for the first time in years.

 

I find it interesting that blurb said o-line was the only possible weakness. Our guys can maul on the run. They aren't the greatest in pass protection. Definitely some room to grow, especially at guard. Of course it helps having one of the best o-line coaches in the league.

 

I can't remember ever being this excited for an upcoming season. I feel like anything I do or say could jinx it.

 

Here's to hoping we're posting about Seattle's first Lombardi Trophy in February.

[Kopy 572]

As a casual Cleveland Brown observer. I found this little blurb on rotoworld interesting.

"ESPN Cleveland's Tony Grossi believes the Browns will trade one of OLB/DE Jabaal Sheard or DE/DT Ahtyba Rubin.

Sheard and Rubin aren't believed to be great fits for the new 3-4 scheme, and both players are young and skilled enough to bring back some value. Sheard, 24 next month, has 15.5 sacks in his two seasons. Rubin, 26, goes 6-foot-2 and 330 pounds, and he is strong versus the run with a bit of pass rush skill. The Browns are without a second-round pick, so that's likely the asking price."

 

I'm not too sure on their salaries. If they would fit in. Or if a second would be worth it to spend. It just peaked my interest alittle bit as both of those players are guys I liked.

[Groundhog 24]

OK. This is getting reGoddamndiculous. Too many good things are suddenly coming to fruition. This can't possibly be real, can it?

 

Oh, yeah. Still plenty of money under the cap.....

 

Oh, yeah, oh, yeah. There are 5 Pro Bowlers in the secondary. Is this arguably the greatest defensive secondary ever assembled, on paper?

 

the Chiefs in the mid-to-late 80s had a great secondary (Deron Cherry, Albert Lewis, etc.) but they never amounted to a hill of beans in the playoffs, because they had no pass rush. Not that I'm complaining mind you about making a strength even better, just that I want us to draft some big nasty guy in the middle to wreak havoc and make opposing QBs pee in their pants a little.

[phillybear 366]

the Chiefs in the mid-to-late 80s had a great secondary (Deron Cherry, Albert Lewis, etc.) but they never amounted to a hill of beans in the playoffs, because they had no pass rush. Not that I'm complaining mind you about making a strength even better, just that I want us to draft some big nasty guy in the middle to wreak havoc and make opposing QBs pee in their pants a little.

 

The more I think about it the more I really love this pickup. It's a clever move, digging in deeper.

 

Winfield is the slot corner. He is not the backup for Sherman/Browner, that would be Lane and the other young guys. He will be on the field a lot, not just taking Trufant's role, but Winfield is among the best coverage corners and the very best in run support in that role. The common thread defensively the past 3 to 5 years is that the defense would play great the first two downs, and then cough up a big play on 3rd and long and the drive continues. Winfield is here to put an end to that. He is potentially the final piece to a true shut down defense.

 

And when Kaepernick and the other teams run a read option, Winfield is going to come up through a gap and bury somebody. He is going to be a prime weapon in shutting down teams that try to get cute on offense. We have a guy here in Winfield that is playing at a high level signing for nothing, which trumps SF signing a guy trying to play his way back into the league in the secondary. I'd give up a 2nd and/or 3rd rounder to get a difference maker like Winfield as opposed to an unknown rookie because of his potential impact on the overall defense. We gave up nothing. We can't have a All Star at every position, and LB certainly won't produce any, but if you have enough key players at key spots...

 

As far as DT, Mebane will start. Bennett will rotate in. Tony Daniels will rotate in. Jaye Howard will compete for a role. And I suspect Red Bryant will get more plays at DT. His run defense really declined last year, his pass rush is non existent from the edge, and you have guys like Avril, Bennett, Irvin, and Clemmons that are going to need playing time to get after the QB. And we will draft a guy or two. No worries.

[Fantasy Noob 10]

So we need a couple of linebackers, DT propspect, a kicker, and a backup QB and all will need to compete for playing time. Schneider and Carrol have done a hell of a job.

 

Since I am obviously qualified to second guess them (as a FF manager of dubious skill ), I really don't like the thought of relying on an unkown rookie kicker for a team with Super Bowl aspirations.

 

Not having a first round pick though does take some of the fun out of the draft, I can still hope we trade up but not at the expense of any future draft picks.

[FlaHawker 24]

 

 

Since I am obviously qualified to second guess them (as a FF manager of dubious skill ), I really don't like the thought of relying on an unkown rookie kicker for a team with Super Bowl aspirations.

 

How do you know they won't sign a veteran?

[phillybear 366]

Draft board...DONE. With tweaks to come.

 

I don't know why it seems the draft is approaching so much more rapidly this year. It seemed to take forever last year. Maybe the pressure is off, after a windfall in free agency, no glaring needs, and having no picks on Thursday. It's just going to be a tailgate for nearly 2 rounds before the chaos starts. It's very unlikely we trade up into the 1st or move up in the 2nd; not our style, and we "traded up" to get Harvin already. I suspect we could trade out of the 2nd round completely to get an extra 3rd or something.

[Groundhog 24]

Draft board...DONE. With tweaks to come.

 

I suspect we could trade out of the 2nd round completely to get an extra 3rd or something.

 

I agree with this. Maybe some QB-needy team will spy Matt Scott still sitting out there at #56 and offer something to move up from early 3rd, and give us an extra 4th this year - or maybe a pick next year to replace the mid-rounder we lost on Harvin.

[FlaHawker 24]

Draft board...DONE. With tweaks to come.

 

Let's see it!

[phillybear 366]

Let's see it!

 

I know you are not a draft geek, so I'm guessing this is sarcastic. No worries.

 

If not, then it's not feasible. It's a comprehensive multi tabbed spreadsheet to include the basic draft info on each player, draft rank, notations of off field and injury issues, projected draft position/value, what I'm throwing on the grill each of the days of the draft, etc. I'm considering getting a decent sized dry erase board for next year.

[FlaHawker 24]

I know you are not a draft geek, so I'm guessing this is sarcastic. No worries.

 

If not, then it's not feasible. It's a comprehensive multi tabbed spreadsheet to include the basic draft info on each player, draft rank, notations of off field and injury issues, projected draft position/value, what I'm throwing on the grill each of the days of the draft, etc. I'm considering getting a decent sized dry erase board for next year.

No sarcastic at all. Wanted to see your rankings.

[phillybear 366]

No sarcastic at all. Wanted to see your rankings.

 

It would be too cumbersome, but I'd be happy to throw in my blathering opinions on any questions posed, like position rank or potential available players. I'm a data analyst by nature, so it's driven by numbers.

 

Closer to draft, we may need to consider bumping up Hawkfin's draft analysis posts, as they had some solid information. I think I'm mostly prepared, but still tweaking, in anticipation of my next self-inflicted meltdown.

[Hawkfin 32]

It would be too cumbersome, but I'd be happy to throw in my blathering opinions on any questions posed, like position rank or potential available players. I'm a data analyst by nature, so it's driven by numbers.

 

Closer to draft, we may need to consider bumping up Hawkfin's draft analysis posts, as they had some solid information. I think I'm mostly prepared, but still tweaking, in anticipation of my next self-inflicted meltdown.

I know you can't post everything, I had a hard time too with just one position at a time. But, maybe you could post something on the line of "your likes" for each pick based on your data?

 

Here's my latest:

 

1st round - P. Harvin/WR

 

2nd round (#56pick) - K. Short/DT

(I'm assuming Richardson/DT, Greene/LB, S. Williams/DT, T. Eifert/TE, Patterson/WR, M. Teo/LB, E. Lacy/RB are all gone)

-If any of those are there, they would be my pick first.

Other options I like here: B. Williams/DT, Jenkins/DT, S. Moore/LB, Alec Ogletree/LB

 

3rd round - C. Thomas/LB (assuming the above LB's are gone)

Other options: R. Swope/WR, M. Scott/QB, Patton/WR, B. Williams/OT, J. Banks/CB, Joseph/CB

 

4th round - M. Scott/QB

Other options: Christine Michael/RB, Z. Stacy/RB, K. Davis/RB, M. Harrison/WR, S. Commings/CB,

 

5th round - Knile Davis/RB

5th round - S. Commings/CB

 

6th round - Mark Harrison/WR (Or best WR available) (I really like Harrison from the 5th on)

 

7th rounders - Dustin Hopkins/Kicker, J. Fauria/TE, Best FB or Oline or QB

[FlaHawker 24]

I know you can't post everything, I had a hard time too with just one position at a time. But, maybe you could post something on the line of "your likes" for each pick based on your data?

 

Here's my latest:

 

1st round - P. Harvin/WR

 

2nd round (#56pick) - K. Short/DT

(I'm assuming Richardson/DT, Greene/LB, S. Williams/DT, T. Eifert/TE, Patterson/WR, M. Teo/LB, E. Lacy/RB are all gone)

-If any of those are there, they would be my pick first.

Other options I like here: B. Williams/DT, Jenkins/DT, S. Moore/LB, Alec Ogletree/LB

 

3rd round - C. Thomas/LB (assuming the above LB's are gone)

Other options: R. Swope/WR, M. Scott/QB, Patton/WR, B. Williams/OT, J. Banks/CB, Joseph/CB

 

4th round - M. Scott/QB

Other options: Christine Michael/RB, Z. Stacy/RB, K. Davis/RB, M. Harrison/WR, S. Commings/CB,

 

 

I have read that Michael had a great visit with the Seahawks and he was quite pumped to be at the facilitiy. However, I also read that he is a 2nd round possibility. Why do you have him so much lower?

[Hawkfin 32]

I have read that Michael had a great visit with the Seahawks and he was quite pumped to be at the facilitiy. However, I also read that he is a 2nd round possibility. Why do you have him so much lower?

It's pretty funny actually.... Everyone we bring in is always considered a 2nd rounder for us it seems like. I remember Scott was considered a 2nd rounder too. I think because we bring them in, people/board rooms/media/Hawks fans/etc. jump to the collusion that he's for our 2nd round pick, when in fact, he might be targeted as a mid to late pick. Somebody of value to draft later.

 

There are at least 5 other backs or MORE in "his range". He is not a lock as a top back. Plus even Lacy is being talked out of the first round now. RB's drop.

 

Bottom line - I would not spend a 2nd or 3rd rounder on a RB. I like Turbin. We can wait for WHOEVER drops to us. That could be Michael, that could be Stacy, or K. Davis or Lattimore.

Regardless, we should be able to get him later. And that list was for "my hope list for Hawks picks".

 

Also, he's not my top rated RB. I really like him, but his value IMO is later then a 2nd. Same with Scott/QB. Maybe he should be higher then where I have him, but I would not take him that high myself. Where I have him, is where I would be willing to take him if I was the Hawks.

And even if I were not thinking Hawks, I still have a handful of other RB's I like just as much or more.

 

His value is NOT 2nd round to me. Just a good prospect.

[FlaHawker 24]

Rob Staton at Seahawks Draft Blog has the Hawks taking WR Quinton Patton at # 56. What say the so-called draft gurus?

[phillybear 366]

I know you can't post everything, I had a hard time too with just one position at a time. But, maybe you could post something on the line of "your likes" for each pick based on your data?

 

I will give this some deep thought.

 

I may have to retract my previous bravado on getting a feel for who we might draft. More than any other team in the league, given the draft picks available, I can't fathom how me don't draft for Best Player Available. And we won't know that information until the draft actually unfolds. As our picks approach, I tend to post best player available, so I might just stick to that. Otherwise, when you don't pick until end of 2nd round to open the draft, it's so unpredictable.

[phillybear 366]

I have read that Michael had a great visit with the Seahawks and he was quite pumped to be at the facilitiy. However, I also read that he is a 2nd round possibility. Why do you have him so much lower?

 

I have him top of the 5th round. Limited skill set, bad throwing motion, nervous to step up in the pocket, very limited experience. Nice project, but a very raw project.

 

Edit: unless the question was Christine Michael. Again, top of 5th round. I thought it was about Michael Scott

[phillybear 366]

Rob Staton at Seahawks Draft Blog has the Hawks taking WR Quinton Patton at # 56. What say the so-called draft gurus?

 

That's very, very close to where I have him on the board. He excelled with my QB of the future choice Colby Cameron in that high powered LA Tech offense last year. However, do we really need to spend such a high choice on another WR at this point? Do we expect Rice and Harvin to get hurt again? It's not like the value is overwhelming, just OK.

[FlaHawker 24]

That's very, very close to where I have him on the board. He excelled with my QB of the future choice Colby Cameron in that high powered LA Tech offense last year. However, do we really need to spend

I would say yes. Golden tate is due for a new contract (depending on his demands may or may not be signed)and Sidney Rice is over paid. A WR might not be a bad pick.

[phillybear 366]

I would say yes. Golden tate is due for a new contract (depending on his demands may or may not be signed)and Sidney Rice is over paid. A WR might not be a bad pick.

 

That's fine, I guess. It's a pick that wouldn't make me apoplectic.

 

I'm rather impressed that I was able to pull the word "apoplectic" out of my ass despite a few cocktails.

[Kopy 572]

I have him top of the 5th round. Limited skill set, bad throwing motion, nervous to step up in the pocket, very limited experience. Nice project, but a very raw project.

 

Edit: unless the question was Christine Michael. Again, top of 5th round. I thought it was about Michael Scott

Michaels (Christine) is a head case. This should be duely noted also.

 

As for Patten. He'd be a great find. I actually have bumped him up to my #2 overall wr lately at Allens expense.

[Groundhog 24]

Ok so this is my wish list for the 2013 draft, assuming no trades at all for us. My approach to this was (a) look for guys who can compete for and potentially take away roster spots from guys currently in the 53-man roster, and ( be reasonable about the likelihood they will still be available at the time of the pick.

 

2nd round, #56 overall:

Johnathan Jenkins. DT, Georgia...I like me some interior pass rush. An upgrade over Jason Jones. Put this guy in the middle, pair him with Avril and Irvin on the outside, Red able to shift inside or outside as needed (plus fewer snaps so he stays healthier), Bennett inside, plus Clemons after he recovers from injury...we have a nice rotation to pressure QBs all game long.

 

3rd round, #87 overall:

David Quessenberry, OT, San Jose State....a viable replacement for Breno at RT, with ability to slide inside to RG if Moffitt struggles. I know we've invested a ton of draft capital in the OL, but Breno will count pretty sizably against the cap. Freeing up some dollars here allows us to spend more money on D to sign Browner, Sherm, etc.. I watched this guy at Senior Bowl and he seemed pretty fluid and I think can get to the second level in run blocking. Plus, he was a walk-on at San Jose State which probably feeds very nicely into Pete's "ALWAYS COMPETE" mantra.

 

4th round, #123 overall:

Sean Porter. OLB, Texas A&M...a replacement for Leroy Hill at weakside LB. Can run with joker TEs and decent in run support.

 

5th round, #138 overall:

Latavius Murray, RB, Central Florida. This guy can be a decent 3rd on the depth chart to back up Lynch and Turbin, and has potential to step in and replace Michael Robinson (who I love, love, love, but let's face it, he's on the wrong side of 30).

 

5th round, #158 overall:

Duke Williams, SS, Nevada...I'm not sure why, but I get the sense that Kam Chancellor is not going to get re-signed, and he is on the last year of his contract. Call it a hunch. This kid from Nevada is a similarly big hitter with some range.

 

6th round, #194 overall:

Nick Kasa, TE, Colorado...fast enough that he has potential to turn into a joker TE to complement Zach Miller.

 

7th round, #220 overall:

Travis Howard, CB, Ohio State....need another press corner to backup Browner, in case he does not get re-signed or accidentally swallows some more Adderrall? Here's your guy. Not quite as tall as BB, but still 6'1" and feisty.

 

7th round, #231 overall:

Ryan Griffin, QB, Tulane...some competition to give Brady Quinn a run for his money as clipboard holder. Griffin was trapped on a crappy team, and even if it turns out that part of the reason they sucked was him, well, it's still only a 7th rounder wasted.

 

7th round, #241 overall:

Brandon Kaufman, WR, Eastern Washington...A small-school guy, but he's big and has good hands.

 

7th round, #242 overall:

Brice Butler, WR, San Diego State...another big WR, has a chance to catch on in special teams.

[Hawkfin 32]

Rob Staton at Seahawks Draft Blog has the Hawks taking WR Quinton Patton at # 56. What say the so-called draft gurus?

I probably put my view over there on it already, as I visit that site.

 

But, I think WR is not a good pick for us at #56. Nor do I think we go WR route that early now after signing Harvin.

I understand there might be a need down the road for WR with Tate and Rice, but that doesn't need to be addressed at #56 unless somebody major drops like Patterson or something.

K. Allen not so much. I gave him a big drop now after his pro day and all the issues, and really just a 1 play slant guy on tape.

Hopkins is my #3 now, and even him I'm not so sure I would want at #56.

 

I like Patton! He was a guy I had on my list of likes, and inside my top 7 WR's. But, there is lots of good wides. I like R. Swope just as much or better.

 

Patton is probably another example (Like Michael, like M. Scott) that are being overvalued and linked to our 2nd round pick, when in fact he could be a target in the 3rd or even 4th if he drops.

I don't think his value is 2nd round, and rather 3rd.

 

Also, I feel we will need a replacement for S. Rice more so then G. Tate. Harvin is a Tate replacement. We need a "taller" and more physical WR if anything. That red zone guy, or a more deep threat that's tall, a leaper, etc. This is why we may need a TE to give more of this factor.

 

Patton doesn't really fit that bill to me. This is why I like Harrison who could be had much later.

 

I do like Patton though. I think he's a baller and leader, and shows some big big plays. He looked unstoppable in his bowl game and put the entire team on his back. Great route runner and good hands too!

[Hawkfin 32]

I have him top of the 5th round. Limited skill set, bad throwing motion, nervous to step up in the pocket, very limited experience. Nice project, but a very raw project.

 

Edit: unless the question was Christine Michael. Again, top of 5th round. I thought it was about Michael Scott

They both have come in for a visit. I think he was talking about the RB though.

 

I think 5th is is a little late for both, but I agree, these two are both later round prospects. Maybe 3-5. I like the 4th to be thinking about them, depending on who else is out there.

[Hawkfin 32]

Ok so this is my wish list for the 2013 draft, assuming no trades at all for us. My approach to this was (a) look for guys who can compete for and potentially take away roster spots from guys currently in the 53-man roster, and ( be reasonable about the likelihood they will still be available at the time of the pick.

 

2nd round, #56 overall:

Johnathan Jenkins. DT, Georgia...I like me some interior pass rush. An upgrade over Jason Jones. Put this guy in the middle, pair him with Avril and Irvin on the outside, Red able to shift inside or outside as needed (plus fewer snaps so he stays healthier), Bennett inside, plus Clemons after he recovers from injury...we have a nice rotation to pressure QBs all game long.

 

3rd round, #87 overall:

David Quessenberry, OT, San Jose State....a viable replacement for Breno at RT, with ability to slide inside to RG if Moffitt struggles. I know we've invested a ton of draft capital in the OL, but Breno will count pretty sizably against the cap. Freeing up some dollars here allows us to spend more money on D to sign Browner, Sherm, etc.. I watched this guy at Senior Bowl and he seemed pretty fluid and I think can get to the second level in run blocking. Plus, he was a walk-on at San Jose State which probably feeds very nicely into Pete's "ALWAYS COMPETE" mantra.

 

4th round, #123 overall:

Sean Porter. OLB, Texas A&M...a replacement for Leroy Hill at weakside LB. Can run with joker TEs and decent in run support.

 

5th round, #138 overall:

Latavius Murray, RB, Central Florida. This guy can be a decent 3rd on the depth chart to back up Lynch and Turbin, and has potential to step in and replace Michael Robinson (who I love, love, love, but let's face it, he's on the wrong side of 30).

 

5th round, #158 overall:

Duke Williams, SS, Nevada...I'm not sure why, but I get the sense that Kam Chancellor is not going to get re-signed, and he is on the last year of his contract. Call it a hunch. This kid from Nevada is a similarly big hitter with some range.

 

6th round, #194 overall:

Nick Kasa, TE, Colorado...fast enough that he has potential to turn into a joker TE to complement Zach Miller.

 

7th round, #220 overall:

Travis Howard, CB, Ohio State....need another press corner to backup Browner, in case he does not get re-signed or accidentally swallows some more Adderrall? Here's your guy. Not quite as tall as BB, but still 6'1" and feisty.

 

7th round, #231 overall:

Ryan Griffin, QB, Tulane...some competition to give Brady Quinn a run for his money as clipboard holder. Griffin was trapped on a crappy team, and even if it turns out that part of the reason they sucked was him, well, it's still only a 7th rounder wasted.

 

7th round, #241 overall:

Brandon Kaufman, WR, Eastern Washington...A small-school guy, but he's big and has good hands.

 

7th round, #242 overall:

Brice Butler, WR, San Diego State...another big WR, has a chance to catch on in special teams.

Thanks for your list! Appeciate that. Some guy's there I havn't thought about.

 

I could get into Jenkins being our pick at #56. I wouldn't mind that to much. I think he gives you both run support and some pressure. But, I do have him as a boom or bust pick. His weight could give problems perhaps?

But, man, he eats into double teams. He really looked unstoppable and has somewhat of a decent motor behind him. I think he makes a perfect MeBane replacement. Although I'm wondering if it would be better to replace Red first? More athletic and faster pass rushing DT?

 

I need to relook at Jenkins and Short and see which DT I would prefer. But, those 2 are definatley where I'm thinking if S. Williams is gone.

[Kopy 572]

Good job on your lists guys. You all give me alot of different guys and positions to look at.

I'm looking at the kids from more of a fantasy football purpose, and really only rb and wr.

So this is all extremely helpful.

Can't wait until, I guess friday night this year.

[phillybear 366]

Let me thrown out a quick thought, and maybe I'll be able to get more in depth on some of this other stuff with you folks when time permits. Anyway, it's probably going to be a bad idea to draft a DT in the 2nd round if we stand pat at #56.

 

It is expected that DTs that will be taken in the first round: S Floyd, S Lotulelei, S Richardson, S Williams, J Hankins.

It is exmpected that J Williams and K Short will be taken end of the 1st round or very early in the 2nd.

 

Then, you have a major cliff fall off in prospects and value. If one of those early guys drifts down to the Seahawks, great. But realistically, I don't see any other DT going before the 3rd round. Early third round John Jenkins is probably more suited to play nose tackle in a 3-4 scheme. Mid third round Brandon Williams is from Missouri Southern State, so it's hard to say what his competition level was at and the amount of film available to study. Then, I have nothing until the mid 4th round, around where we would pick.

 

So, unless you move up and grab one of those top 7 DT prospects, you will be reaching. I think it might be more prudent to grab best available. DT won't fit best available. This is probably why we signed Tony Daniels at DT. As insurance in case the DT doesn't break right for us in the draft.

[phillybear 366]

They both have come in for a visit. I think he was talking about the RB though.

 

I think 5th is is a little late for both, but I agree, these two are both later round prospects. Maybe 3-5. I like the 4th to be thinking about them, depending on who else is out there.

 

The past couple of seasons have seen the trend of inflated QB values and deflated RB values. QBs are flying off the board way earlier than they should, league wide.

 

Sigh. I'm finding it hard to keep up with this line of thinking and making the changes in my rankings and breaking away from years of consistency.

[Hawkfin 32]

Let me thrown out a quick thought, and maybe I'll be able to get more in depth on some of this other stuff with you folks when time permits. Anyway, it's probably going to be a bad idea to draft a DT in the 2nd round if we stand pat at #56.

 

It is expected that DTs that will be taken in the first round: S Floyd, S Lotulelei, S Richardson, S Williams, J Hankins.

It is exmpected that J Williams and K Short will be taken end of the 1st round or very early in the 2nd.

 

Then, you have a major cliff fall off in prospects and value. If one of those early guys drifts down to the Seahawks, great. But realistically, I don't see any other DT going before the 3rd round. Early third round John Jenkins is probably more suited to play nose tackle in a 3-4 scheme. Mid third round Brandon Williams is from Missouri Southern State, so it's hard to say what his competition level was at and the amount of film available to study. Then, I have nothing until the mid 4th round, around where we would pick.

 

So, unless you move up and grab one of those top 7 DT prospects, you will be reaching. I think it might be more prudent to grab best available. DT won't fit best available. This is probably why we signed Tony Daniels at DT. As insurance in case the DT doesn't break right for us in the draft.

Good views,

If this does happen, then this is when we should move on from DT and hit LB or something of value.

Then try like heck to land B. Williams in the 3rd. I like this kid. I could even see us reaching for him in the 2nd as they will have good tape on him. He did very well in the Sr. practice and game though. He looks powerful, and if I remember right had some good production even if it was a small school. I saw some bits and pieces of him and I liked what I saw.

 

I think Jenkins is still a good fit in the 2nd too.

 

And I also think some of those guy's you mentioned will drop a little bit further then what you expect.

I think S. Williams is going in the 2nd round somewhere, which then could push Short, etc. down to us. Although I'm not that big of a fan on J. Williams.

Maybe I'm wrong where they go?

 

Greene and S. Moore would be my fall back plan and go LB instead. There could also be some good CB's too.