***The Official Seattle Seahawks 2013 Offseason Thread***

[FlaHawker 24]

Backup Qbs saving a season. Off the top of my head, Jeff Hostetler, Tom Brady, Ben Rothlisberger, Doug Williams, Kurt Warner and I'm sure there are more that actually won the SuperBowl coing off the bench, so get your head out of your ass. FACE.

 

Sure, Carroll and Schneider have plans. And sometimes those plans suck, so not everybody is going to lick their rusty wagon wheels clean with every move they make. Except for Russell Wilson, they've blown it with every single move they've made with QBs. Just dumb sh!t. So, we will see what this grand scheme is, which apparently you think is to bring in a read option QB because 20% of the offense is actually read option, and that pesky 80% of the regular offense where a drop back passer is the preferred choice, let's just dump that guy for peanuts. And if for some reason you decided to up the % of read option, you are risking the only QB worth a spit on your roster to injury. Dumb. Thigpen? Scott? Holy Toledo. Dumb.

Wow you aren't really comparing Matt Flynn to that group? Seriously? So Matt Flynn ranks with those QBs yet no one in the league wanted him last year or this year? And you're teling me to pull my head out my ASS?

 

As for a read option QB, that's not me talking, that's the head coach. PC is forth coming in interviews. Now you might not want to believe what he says but he and JS don't play games. Just go check out Schneider's comments today about what he wants in a #2 QB. Very telling.

 

“That No. 2 guy is a guy that has to have a sense of urgency about him, has to prepare,” Schneider told 710 ESPN Seattle. “Obviously he has to have the respect of his teammates and be able to get in the huddle and command that respect, and then let us play to the top after that.”http://bleacherreport.com/tb/da4VM?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=seattle-seahawks

 

That's why Flynn is no longer in Seattle: No leadership; poor work ethic!

 

You think every move the Hawks make suck including their draft and especially the Russell Wilson pick last year so....I think PC & JS after what they inherited and what they have done over the past three years deserve some leeway. Now, does that mean you praise every move? Of course not, but to continually bash every move is foolish.

 

It's all good. We'll be bashing Jim Harbaugh soon enough

[phillybear 366]

Wow you aren't really comparing Matt Flynn to that group? Seriously? So Matt Flynn ranks with those QBs yet no one in the league wanted him last year or this year? And you're teling me to pull my head out my ASS?

 

As for a read option QB, that's not me talking, that's the head coach. PC is forth coming in interviews. Now you might not want to believe what he says but he and JS don't play games. Just go check out Schneider's comments today about what he wants in a #2 QB. Very telling.

 

That's why Flynn is no longer in Seattle: No leadership; poor work ethic!

 

You think every move the Hawks make suck including their draft and especially the Russell Wilson pick last year so....I think PC & JS after what they inherited and what they have done over the past three years deserve some leeway. Now, does that mean you praise every move? Of course not, but to continually bash every move is foolish.

 

It's all good. We'll be bashing Jim Harbaugh soon enough

 

Jeff Hostetler and Doug Williams are far and above Matt Flynn?

 

Well, after hundreds of articles the last off season talking about Matt Flynn's years and years of outstanding work ethic, working with Rodgers endlessly in the film room, all of the sudden he can't find the playbook? Really? I call utter and complete bullsh!t. Let the spin, begin.

 

I've praised most of the moves so far this offseason :hint, check the tread title and subtitle:. I've been wrong a few times on moves of this front office, and I've been open about that. I've been correct about some of the moves of the front office, and you somehow forget them. Weird. I've been building my draft bored. Reviewing last years info, I found that I had Russell Wilson as a 4th round QB. But I had him rated as a dwarf. What can you do? Am I incorrect about you praising Tim Ruskell drafts, lecturing us that he knows what he is doing better than us and we should go along with the program.

 

When was the last time you criticized anything the front office has done? You are espousing the views of the people that allowed Stalin to run roughshod over many, many countries the last century. Think, man, think.

[phillybear 366]

Whatever the final product looks like going into the season, I'll get behind and support. But I'm very skeptical with this tactical maneuver.

[FlaHawker 24]

Jeff Hostetler and Doug Williams are far and above Matt Flynn?

 

Well, after hundreds of articles the last off season talking about Matt Flynn's years and years of outstanding work ethic, working with Rodgers endlessly in the film room, all of the sudden he can't find the playbook? Really? I call utter and complete bullsh!t. Let the spin, begin.

 

I've praised most of the moves so far this offseason :hint, check the tread title and subtitle:. I've been wrong a few times on moves of this front office, and I've been open about that. I've been correct about some of the moves of the front office, and you somehow forget them. Weird. I've been building my draft bored. Reviewing last years info, I found that I had Russell Wilson as a 4th round QB. But I had him rated as a dwarf. What can you do? Am I incorrect about you praising Tim Ruskell drafts, lecturing us that he knows what he is doing better than us and we should go along with the program.

 

When was the last time you criticized anything the front office has done? You are espousing the views of the people that allowed Stalin to run roughshod over many, many countries the last century. Think, man, think.

1- Flynn couldn't hold those QBs jocks.

 

2- Flynn was outworked by Wilson. Period. That is no spin.

 

3- I usually do not praise or pan a Seahawk draft. I have been very open about the fact that I do not enagge in ranking players and building a draft board like I am some kind of scout I remember defending the Tatupu and Carlson picks when all the draft "experts" ranted and raved that they were taken too high. Kinda like with Wilson last year But I am not a scout. I don't attend pro days, the senior bowl, the combine nor do I conduct interviews with players or watch tape. Thus, I don't bash any player taken on draft day. I let their play on the field tell me whether or not the pick was a good one or not. It's crazy to judge a draft as a failure or success immediately after it has taken place.

[phillybear 366]

1- Flynn couldn't hold those QBs jocks.

 

2- Flynn was outworked by Wilson. Period. That is no spin.

 

3- I usually do not praise or pan a Seahawk draft. I have been very open about the fact that I do not enagge in ranking players and building a draft board like I am some kind of scout I remember defending the Tatupu and Carlson picks when all the draft "experts" ranted and raved that they were taken too high. Kinda like with Wilson last year But I am not a scout. I don't attend pro days, the senior bowl, the combine nor do I conduct interviews with players or watch tape. Thus, I don't bash any player taken on draft day. I let their play on the field tell me whether or not the pick was a good one or not. It's crazy to judge a draft as a failure or success immediately after it has taken place.

 

Let me help. Carlson was a bust. Drafted way too high, put up stats when every WR on the roster was hurt, left to sign a big contract with Minnesota in a terrible deal, and is hurt every year. You can consider Carlson our revenge on Minnesota for the Hutchinson mess. Yes, I stood firm that Carlson sucked from the start, and in the end, was absolutely right. Thanks for the nice game vs the Saints in the playoff, but you sucked buddy, you sucked.

 

Tatupu was a huge reach in the draft. He helped us get to the Super Bowl and had a big heart. In the end, just like the scouts said, he was too small for the position, and his body quit on him a couple of seasons in. So, if you get 3 or 4 decent years out of a guy, is it a success? That's for you to debate. I think Tatupu was worth the reach in the end, but his value has certainly taken a major hit over the past few years. I will admit I was wrong. He was a very good player for when he played. Very likable player.

 

And...you could do some research in the endless off season and understand why we sometimes freak out over a move or draft pick. You could take the red pill, or the blue pill.

[phillybear 366]

I've had a day to decompress and lower my blood pressure.

 

I for one welcome the genius behind bringing aboard Percy Harvin to be the backup QB and of course FB Michael Robinson played QB at Penn St. So, we can save even more cap space by carrying just one QB on the roster all season. I love this plan and I don't give a turkey for those that can't see the brilliance.

 

Sigh.

 

Still, I need to get over this gaffe and move on. Everybody readjust your draft notes. The #1 need on this team is now to draft a QB, which is an incomprehensible self inflicted wound. I read the transcripts of Schneider's interview yesterday. He clearly expected to acquire Colt McCoy. Now, the scrambling begins, which is why it is such a blunder.

[FlaHawker 24]

Let me help. Carlson was a bust. Drafted way too high, put up stats when every WR on the roster was hurt, left to sign a big contract with Minnesota in a terrible deal, and is hurt every year. You can consider Carlson our revenge on Minnesota for the Hutchinson mess. Yes, I stood firm that Carlson sucked from the start, and in the end, was absolutely right. Thanks for the nice game vs the Saints in the playoff, but you sucked buddy, you sucked.

 

Tatupu was a huge reach in the draft. He helped us get to the Super Bowl and had a big heart. In the end, just like the scouts said, he was too small for the position, and his body quit on him a couple of seasons in. So, if you get 3 or 4 decent years out of a guy, is it a success? That's for you to debate. I think Tatupu was worth the reach in the end, but his value has certainly taken a major hit over the past few years. I will admit I was wrong. He was a very good player for when he played. Very likable player.

 

And...you could do some research in the endless off season and understand why we sometimes freak out over a move or draft pick. You could take the red pill, or the blue pill.

So based on their on field production, Tatupu worked out to a degree and Carlson not so much. Thus there was no need for me to go batshite crazy draft day screaming and yelling that they were the worst picks ever because Mel Kiper said the Hawks reached. In hindsight looking at Ruskell's drafts he had a few good picks but overall terrible drafts based on the overall production.

 

I read a few snipets over at Seahawks draft blog, Field Gulls and here. But I do not have time to "research" college football players the Hawks might take on draft day. It is an exercise in futility. You know liuke the defitnion of insanity--doing the same thing over and over yet expecting different results...Last year is the perfect example. The Seahawk draft was panned as the worst ever by Kiper and his buddies. However, I think Russell Wilson, Robert Turbin, Bruce Irvin and Bobby Wagner disagree.

[phillybear 366]

So based on their on field production, Tatupu worked out to a degree and Carlson not so much. Thus there was no need for me to go batshite crazy draft day screaming and yelling that they were the worst picks ever because Mel Kiper said the Hawks reached. In hindsight looking at Ruskell's drafts he had a few good picks but overall terrible drafts based on the overall production.

 

I read a few snipets over at Seahawks draft blog, Field Gulls and here. But I do not have time to "research" college football players the Hawks might take on draft day. It is an exercise in futility. You know liuke the defitnion of insanity--doing the same thing over and over yet expecting different results...Last year is the perfect example. The Seahawk draft was panned as the worst ever by Kiper and his buddies. However, I think Russell Wilson, Robert Turbin, Bruce Irvin and Bobby Wagner disagree.

 

A word of caution. Never, never, I mean NEVER take Mel Kiper as anything but worthless. He stinks and I don't like him. Mike Mayock does a better job, if you want to listen to pundits spew their nonsense. Well, Kiper may not be worthless. But Lord, he ain't good.

 

Well, last year's draft turned out OK so far. Officially, I was cool with the Turbin and Wagner picks, disagreed with Wilson for going too soon (I was wrong) and I screamed bloody hell about Irvin, who is...let's leave it at "controversial" at this point. My big problem was that we weren't getting pass rushing help that we desperately needed and never got last season.

 

We spent years destroying every Ruskell draft as it unfolded at this site. You are correct, he had a handful of successful picks, but nearly destroyed the franchise with the rest. So, when we were screaming, we were right. It's not screaming for the sake of screaming.

[FlaHawker 24]

A word of caution. Never, never, I mean NEVER take Mel Kiper as anything but worthless. He stinks and I don't like him. Mike Mayock does a better job, if you want to listen to pundits spew their nonsense. Well, Kiper may not be worthless. But Lord, he ain't good.

 

Well, last year's draft turned out OK so far. Officially, I was cool with the Turbin and Wagner picks, disagreed with Wilson for going too soon (I was wrong) and I screamed bloody hell about Irvin, who is...let's leave it at "controversial" at this point. My big problem was that we weren't getting pass rushing help that we desperately needed and never got last season.

 

We spent years destroying every Ruskell draft as it unfolded at this site. You are correct, he had a handful of successful picks, but nearly destroyed the franchise with the rest. So, when we were screaming, we were right. It's not screaming for the sake of screaming.

But when you scream every pick is horrible because...you see where I am going

[phillybear 366]

But when you scream every pick is horrible because...you see where I am going

 

I do my fair share of screaming, Ruskell has that kind of lasting effect, but I do praise picks too. I don't know if you were around for the love fest for the Carroll/Schneider first draft: Okung, Thomas, Tate. That was fun. The Seattle fans were having a party.

 

Typically, I was screaming when I thought the team was reaching for players way too early, because the team was not strong talent wise, and I wanted the front office to maximize the value out of each and every draft. Some of the guys taken had ability, but I felt could have been taken later. This year, this team has talent, so maximizing isn't as important as in the past, so I've already predicted less screaming by me at the draft. Just add some pieces, reach if they need to.

 

Flynn is not a draft day move per se as much of a salary dump, so this screaming is another animal.

[FlaHawker 24]

I do my fair share of screaming, Ruskell has that kind of lasting effect, but I do praise picks too. I don't know if you were around for the love fest for the Carroll/Schneider first draft: Okung, Thomas, Tate. That was fun. The Seattle fans were having a party.

 

Typically, I was screaming when I thought the team was reaching for players way too early, because the team was not strong talent wise, and I wanted the front office to maximize the value out of each and every draft. Some of the guys taken had ability, but I felt could have been taken later. This year, this team has talent, so maximizing isn't as important as in the past, so I've already predicted less screaming by me at the draft. Just add some pieces, reach if they need to.

 

Flynn is not a draft day move per se as much of a salary dump, so this screaming is another animal.

I'm usually banned from the site around draft time. Maybe I will escape that fate this year.

[Kopy 559]

Since San Fran has stolen the thunder from Seattle today by acquiring Colt McCoy for a sackful of deflated footballs, this offseason has taken a sudden ugly turn.

 

Clearly, to run our all powerful read option...Ladies and Gentlemen, may I present....TIM TEBOW!!!!!!!

I hope this is either a drunk or a kidding post.

[phillybear 366]

I hope this is either a drunk or a kidding post.

 

Both.

 

Reality is stranger than fiction. Mortensen was insisting yesterday that Seattle was considering turnip head Vince Young, the worst locker room cancer in the NFL and a guy as sharp as a bag of wet mice.

[Kopy 559]

Both.

 

Reality is stranger than fiction. Mortensen was insisting yesterday that Seattle was considering turnip head Vince Young, the worst locker room cancer in the NFL and a guy as sharp as a bag of wet mice.

Good, I had hoped so.

Don't get me wrong, I love me some Tebow, all the kid does is win (somehow) But he can't be a backup. He's such a polarising figure, you have to have him as your starter and look like a 1950's type franchise. Or not have him at all.

 

As for Young. Boy I hope not. To be honest with you. I think Carroll would cut him in preseason. Doesn't seem like the "want to compete"

type he likes. If he can cut/releae USC players, he can cut Young.

 

I think they might have been looking at the kid from Cleveland, which I would have been O.K. with. But I think Harbaugh might of pulled a fast one on us. I'm not even sure they wanted him, I think it might of just been a spiteful trade to be honest with you.

 

Today I hear Thigpen. But I actually don't really know anything about him?

[phillybear 366]

Good, I had hoped so.

Don't get me wrong, I love me some Tebow, all the kid does is win (somehow) But he can't be a backup. He's such a polarising figure, you have to have him as your starter and look like a 1950's type franchise. Or not have him at all.

 

As for Young. Boy I hope not. To be honest with you. I think Carroll would cut him in preseason. Doesn't seem like the "want to compete"

type he likes. If he can cut/releae USC players, he can cut Young.

 

I think they might have been looking at the kid from Cleveland, which I would have been O.K. with. But I think Harbaugh might of pulled a fast one on us. I'm not even sure they wanted him, I think it might of just been a spiteful trade to be honest with you.

 

Today I hear Thigpen. But I actually don't really know anything about him?

 

Thigpen is the name that keeps coming up, because he can run a Pistol/Read-Option. He was from Coastal Carolina, a Div II school, was a 3rd string QB in Kansas City a few years ago and after a rash of injuries, became a starter. The TD to Int ratio wasn't bad, but his accuracy is God awful. He went 1-10 as a starter. You saw what Joe Webb did in the playoffs last year? Yeah, that's about what to expect. I think he was an emergency QB with the Dolphins last year.

 

Colt McCoy was still young and still had potential to develop, but the Browns is a death pit for QBs and he could have used some time working with the regime that helped Wilson progress. If he is the choice to backup Kaepernick, that really should show everybody that Seattle isn't going to pursue only a read option QB type to backup Wilson. SF didn't. Washington didn't. Carolina didn't.

 

Right now, if Wilson got hurt, the offense would go into a turtle shell and run the ball 80% of the time, and hope to win a 3-0 game.

[FlaHawker 24]

Thigpen is the name that keeps coming up, because he can run a Pistol/Read-Option. He was from Coastal Carolina, a Div II school, was a 3rd string QB in Kansas City a few years ago and after a rash of injuries, became a starter. The TD to Int ratio wasn't bad, but his accuracy is God awful. He went 1-10 as a starter. You saw what Joe Webb did in the playoffs last year? Yeah, that's about what to expect. I think he was an emergency QB with the Dolphins last year.

 

Colt McCoy was still young and still had potential to develop, but the Browns is a death pit for QBs and he could have used some time working with the regime that helped Wilson progress. If he is the choice to backup Kaepernick, that really should show everybody that Seattle isn't going to pursue only a read option QB type to backup Wilson. SF didn't. Washington didn't. Carolina didn't.

 

Right now, if Wilson got hurt, the offense would go into a turtle shell and run the ball 80% of the time, and hope to win a 3-0 game.

Josh Portispossibly getting re-signed.

[FlaHawker 24]

 

Right now, if Wilson got hurt, the offense would go into a turtle shell and run the ball 80% of the time, and hope to win a 3-0 game.

Good thing the season is several months away

[Fantasy Noob 10]

I think I might enjoy Tebow as the backup QB. Something tells me Wilson and Tebow would actually get along quite well.

 

Besides how cool would it be to line up Tebow in the backfield and run some old school option and wishbone plays? I just talked myself into it, screw the zone option, lets embrace the carnage, Tebow for backup QB.

[Groundhog 24]

not liking this move very much. Ok so we get an extra $3.25m in cap space this year. At the risk of our season going down the tubes if RW goes down with anything serious.

 

I'm getting a vibe of "our championship window is closing, hurry!" from the front office, which is kinda weird since we have one of the youngest teams in the league.

 

Unless the argument is that we're going to use that $3.25m to help sign Kam, Sherm and potentially Browner to longer-term deals. If that's the case, fine I guess. Just pray that no one rolls the back of RW's ankle.

[phillybear 366]

In case you folks had not been following the story, Alan Branch fired his agent a few days, then today signed a one year 3 million deal with Buffalo.

 

Alan Branch and Jason Jones both gone. The DT position is going to look a bit different next season, for sure.

[Fantasy Noob 10]

Yeah, I think we still need some help there. I would have liked Branch back cheap.

 

That said our run defense fell apart over the last 2/3 of last season and that was frequently with Jones and Branch in there. I have to assume management has a plan, they have for everything else so far and they had the money for Branch and let him walk. I am guessing the draft and some cheap veterans, I think it might be a mistake to rely on Bryant and Mebane for the entire season, Bryant has had some injuries the last couple years and as much as I love the guy, the title of "injury prone" is starting to apply.

 

I'm getting a vibe of "our championship window is closing, hurry!" from the front office, which is kinda weird since we have one of the youngest teams in the league.

 

Groundhog, I am under the belief that Carrol and Harbaugh really hate each other and neither can stand losing to the other one. I think this might be driving the apparent arms race that seems to be occuring in the NFC west currently. So far I am ok with the 49ers targeting older veterans, and the Seahawks targeting younger upcoming players or younger proven vets.

 

Also, I think someone else also pointed out that our window really is the next few years where we can pay Wilson a fraction of what every other QB in the league gets paid. If he strings together a couple of seasons like this past one, we will finally have a franchise quarterback and be forced to pay for it like every other franchise. And really it would be a relief to have a QB we can count on for a decade or so, instead of the torture of the last 3 decades "highlighted" by the "standout" QB play of Krieg and Hasselbach.

[FlaHawker 24]

not liking this move very much. Ok so we get an extra $3.25m in cap space this year. At the risk of our season going down the tubes if RW goes down with anything serious.

 

I'm getting a vibe of "our championship window is closing, hurry!" from the front office, which is kinda weird since we have one of the youngest teams in the league.

 

Unless the argument is that we're going to use that $3.25m to help sign Kam, Sherm and potentially Browner to longer-term deals. If that's the case, fine I guess. Just pray that no one rolls the back of RW's ankle.

Championship window is closing? Really? We have one of the youngest teams in the league. My god the panic over Flynn being traded is unreal. Take a deep breath people.

[FlaHawker 24]

I think I might enjoy Tebow as the backup QB. Something tells me Wilson and Tebow would actually get along quite well.

 

Besides how cool would it be to line up Tebow in the backfield and run some old school option and wishbone plays? I just talked myself into it, screw the zone option, lets embrace the carnage, Tebow for backup QB.

I would be fine with Tebow as the backup.

[Groundhog 24]

Championship window is closing? Really? We have one of the youngest teams in the league. My god the panic over Flynn being traded is unreal. Take a deep breath people.

you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm saying that the vibe I get *from the front office* is that they are signaling this way. I also pointed out that we have one of the youngest teams in the league, so it felt weird.

[phillybear 366]

Josh Portispossibly getting re-signed.

 

This is problematic and a symptom of what I feared: lack of a plan.

 

Why is it that we have only 2 QBs on the roster, knowing full well that we need more just to get through training camp and preseason. Portis is on a CFL roster, with an escape clause, and the Seahawks have no urgency to bring him in. After trading Flynn, still no move to bring in Portis. Only after McCoy is dealt to SF, they reach out to Portis. This was not part of the plan. This is Plan B or C or worse. The sad thing is, Portis is probably best suited to be the backup over anybody else that might be brought in. Portis has some credentials and had a string of bad luck in lack of starts in college, much like Matt Flynn.

 

Everybody is trying to shove Thigpen down our asses; at this point, I would fully embrace Tebow over Thigpen. You could potentially line up Wilson, M Rob, Harvin, and Tebow on a play, and have the option of letting any of the 4 take the snap and run an option play, including throwing the ball. How does a defense game plan for that?

[Groundhog 24]

This is problematic and a symptom of what I feared: lack of a plan.

 

Why is it that we have only 2 QBs on the roster, knowing full well that we need more just to get through training camp and preseason. Portis is on a CFL roster, with an escape clause, and the Seahawks have no urgency to bring him in. After trading Flynn, still no move to bring in Portis. Only after McCoy is dealt to SF, they reach out to Portis. This was not part of the plan. This is Plan B or C or worse. The sad thing is, Portis is probably best suited to be the backup over anybody else that might be brought in. Portis has some credentials and had a string of bad luck in lack of starts in college, much like Matt Flynn.

 

Everybody is trying to shove Thigpen down our asses; at this point, I would fully embrace Tebow over Thigpen. You could potentially line up Wilson, M Rob, Harvin, and Tebow on a play, and have the option of letting any of the 4 take the snap and run an option play, including throwing the ball. How does a defense game plan for that?

 

you really want the media circus/distractions that would ensue if we signed Tebow? I would rather get inked with a dirty tattoo needle.

[Hawkfin 32]

This is problematic and a symptom of what I feared: lack of a plan.

 

Why is it that we have only 2 QBs on the roster, knowing full well that we need more just to get through training camp and preseason. Portis is on a CFL roster, with an escape clause, and the Seahawks have no urgency to bring him in. After trading Flynn, still no move to bring in Portis. Only after McCoy is dealt to SF, they reach out to Portis. This was not part of the plan. This is Plan B or C or worse. The sad thing is, Portis is probably best suited to be the backup over anybody else that might be brought in. Portis has some credentials and had a string of bad luck in lack of starts in college, much like Matt Flynn.

 

Everybody is trying to shove Thigpen down our asses; at this point, I would fully embrace Tebow over Thigpen. You could potentially line up Wilson, M Rob, Harvin, and Tebow on a play, and have the option of letting any of the 4 take the snap and run an option play, including throwing the ball. How does a defense game plan for that?

 

I think signing Portis is our best move at this point. The other vets are pretty much garbage and not worth any kind of money, or will be a cancer to the team.

Portis knows the system, been here before, still young enough with some upside, and could very well run the "same offense" as Wilson. Portis has great mobility.

 

Running the "same offense" I think is the key here. I think they don't want to have to change it and want to practice the same way for everybody. (Flynn would have changed it)

 

Anyway, I agree with them bringing in Portis and then we should draft one. That would give us 3 QB's all with upside and tradability down the line. Wilson already is like a VET anyway.

 

I personally see you're point about Flynn. I liked Flynn and felt very comfortable with him on the roster. AND I still think we should have got 3rd round value for him. BUT, time to move on. I'm happy we got picks instead of just cutting him.

 

I feel our best bet is to sign Portis & Draft one. Groom/Trade.

Wilson will be injury free. He's smart when he runs, and looks to pass first.

[Hawkfin 32]

you really want the media circus/distractions that would ensue if we signed Tebow? I would rather get inked with a dirty tattoo needle.

NO - I sure don't.

The guy can't throw anyway

[phillybear 366]

you really want the media circus/distractions that would ensue if we signed Tebow? I would rather get inked with a dirty tattoo needle.

 

For arguments sake, Seattle is mostly ignored by the media, even during the 2005 Super Bowl run, the Seahawks were an afterthought. Tebow was a pulling rabbits out of a hat on a Denver team with little outgoing personalities, and then was dumped to New York City the media capital, after carrying Denver and a boatload of hype and being tossed aside by Elway and Manning.

 

Now, the frenzied hype has virtually disappeared around him, the team has Richard Sherman screaming at Skip Bayless so he's clearly the colorful character to deflect the media hype (U Mad Bro?, getting a punch thrown at him post Washington), 4 or 5 Seattle guys doing regular segments on NFL Network, and Carroll wouldn't try to publicly embarrass him like Rex Ryan did. Does anybody realistically expect Tebow to compete with Wilson for the starting gig, unlike the Jets situation, where Sanchez sucked, still sucks, and will continue to suck.

 

In a structured environment with a defined role, and with so many people that have played with him vouching for him, I would not be upset if he were to be added to the mix to compete for a backup spot. Maybe I'm just a fan for what he did in Denver that magical year. I'd see what Dan Quinn thinks.

[FlaHawker 24]

you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm saying that the vibe I get *from the front office* is that they are signaling this way. I also pointed out that we have one of the youngest teams in the league, so it felt weird.

What signals from the front office are you getting that the window is closing? They traded a backup QB to create cap space to help lock up some of the cornerstone players. I am missing these signals.

[FlaHawker 24]

This is problematic and a symptom of what I feared: lack of a plan.

 

Why is it that we have only 2 QBs on the roster, knowing full well that we need more just to get through training camp and preseason. Portis is on a CFL roster, with an escape clause, and the Seahawks have no urgency to bring him in. After trading Flynn, still no move to bring in Portis. Only after McCoy is dealt to SF, they reach out to Portis. This was not part of the plan. This is Plan B or C or worse. The sad thing is, Portis is probably best suited to be the backup over anybody else that might be brought in. Portis has some credentials and had a string of bad luck in lack of starts in college, much like Matt Flynn.

 

Everybody is trying to shove Thigpen down our asses; at this point, I would fully embrace Tebow over Thigpen. You could potentially line up Wilson, M Rob, Harvin, and Tebow on a play, and have the option of letting any of the 4 take the snap and run an option play, including throwing the ball. How does a defense game plan for that?

There should be no urgency to bring in anyone at this point. I mean who is available now that won't be there come draft time? From everything I read and from listening to Johnny Jedi, the Hawks want to see how the draft shakes out (they are interested in Matt Scott and have a workout with him coming up). They are going to draft at least 1 if not 2 QBs and then bring in a free agent to compete for the back up job. There is a plan. It just isn't your plan.

[FlaHawker 24]

. AND I still think we should have got 3rd round value for him. BUT, time to move on. I'm happy we got picks instead of just cutting him.

 

 

You can only get what someone else is willing to pay. Matt Flynn had NO MARKET!

[FlaHawker 24]

For arguments sake, Seattle is mostly ignored by the media, even during the 2005 Super Bowl run, the Seahawks were an afterthought. Tebow was a pulling rabbits out of a hat on a Denver team with little outgoing personalities, and then was dumped to New York City the media capital, after carrying Denver and a boatload of hype and being tossed aside by Elway and Manning.

 

Now, the frenzied hype has virtually disappeared around him, the team has Richard Sherman screaming at Skip Bayless so he's clearly the colorful character to deflect the media hype (U Mad Bro?, getting a punch thrown at him post Washington), 4 or 5 Seattle guys doing regular segments on NFL Network, and Carroll wouldn't try to publicly embarrass him like Rex Ryan did. Does anybody realistically expect Tebow to compete with Wilson for the starting gig, unlike the Jets situation, where Sanchez sucked, still sucks, and will continue to suck.

 

In a structured environment with a defined role, and with so many people that have played with him vouching for him, I would not be upset if he were to be added to the mix to compete for a backup spot. Maybe I'm just a fan for what he did in Denver that magical year. I'd see what Dan Quinn thinks.

I think was Tebow was gone by time Dan Quinn got to FLA, but I agree with everything you state here. Tebow loves to compete but he has no chance of beating out Wilson due to his passing inaccuracies. Therefore, the compete mantra would remain alive but Wilson would be in no danger of losing a job. If, and I say IF, Wilson got hurt and had to miss time, Tebow could run the Read Option and as you said the Hawks would become ground and pound which Carroll loves to do any way. It would not be the worst move to bring this guy in. He is certainly no malcontent.

[Hawkfin 32]

You can only get what someone else is willing to pay. Matt Flynn had NO MARKET!

Yeah, I understand that... I'm fine overall with it I guess.

 

But, I felt he "could" have gained a bigger market had we show cased him this preseason and holding pat. Also protection for Wilson. If Wilson got hurt, then his market could really sky rocket if he came in and did really well for us.

 

I also feel the media did a fine job (And even our home town folks) in letting everyone know M. Flynn's market is poor. He's unproven with some potential.

I will not be surprised if he does well in Oakland even with that team, and may have even stole him from us. Nobody really knows what he is yet? He keeps getting beat out by really good QB's.

 

The Cassel, Kolb, Palmer, etc. deals really hurt Flynn. I think Flynn is equal to Smith and he got a lot more.

 

Overall - this was not my point. I've moved on from it. I'm fine with grooming a young QB in the draft and "showcasing" his skills come preaseason.

[uwmalcolm 74]

Yeah, I understand that... I'm fine overall with it I guess.

 

But, I felt he "could" have gained a bigger market had we show cased him this preseason and holding pat. Also protection for Wilson. If Wilson got hurt, then his market could really sky rocket if he came in and did really well for us.

 

I also feel the media did a fine job (And even our home town folks) in letting everyone know M. Flynn's market is poor. He's unproven with some potential.

I will not be surprised if he does well in Oakland even with that team, and may have even stole him from us. Nobody really knows what he is yet? He keeps getting beat out by really good QB's.

 

The Cassel, Kolb, Palmer, etc. deals really hurt Flynn. I think Flynn is equal to Smith and he got a lot more.

 

Overall - this was not my point. I've moved on from it. I'm fine with grooming a young QB in the draft and "showcasing" his skills come preaseason.

 

I agree with you for the most part. It seems like we could've gotten more by being patient. Smith is not that much, if at all, better than Flynn. The only problem with waiting til after the preseason for his value to increase is that you might have problems finding a suitable backup. At least we have the draft and several months to do so now.

[Hawkfin 32]

I agree with you for the most part. It seems like we could've gotten more by being patient. Smith is not that much, if at all, better than Flynn. The only problem with waiting til after the preseason for his value to increase is that you might have problems finding a suitable backup. At least we have the draft and several months to do so now.

 

Good points... I was thinking IF Flynn was still with us during preseason, the chances would have been extreamly low he's even traded at that point. So he would be our backup next year. Most trades happen before or at the draft.

(Although we could still draft one in case)

 

The risk would be holding pat, Wilson stays healthy, and Flynn never really gets a decent shot again or doesn't showcase himself in preseason. Then teams would NEVER trade with us next season as they would know we will just release him.

 

That could be an issue even if he did well.

 

SO, I think this was probably the right time to trade him, before his last year to where we cut him. It's just to bad we didn't get more. Seems like we did hold out as long as possible and the offers just never came in.

 

I'm happy to gain 2 picks at least. He was free to begin with other then cash.

I bet they have a nice QB in the draft they are targeting! And that would be the plan at hand.

[Kopy 559]

We just resigned Portis for 2 years. Anyone know how he did in the CFL last year?

[phillybear 366]

We just resigned Portis for 2 years. Anyone know how he did in the CFL last year?

 

Signed to the roster. Never played.

[Kopy 559]

Signed to the roster. Never played.

Have you looked at QB's this year?

 

With Seattle having Wilson, and my fantasy team have 2 good one's. This is a position I've entirely ignored. (Plus I've never been good at it anyways. I've taken the Mirer's over the Bledsoe's. The Leaf's over the Manning's, ect. ect. I have a horrible track record.)

 

So, are there any Russell Wilson clones out there for our system?

The only name I have heard with any linkage to Seattle was before the combine. I had heard that Carroll really liked Tyler Wilson.

[phillybear 366]

Have you looked at QB's this year?

 

With Seattle having Wilson, and my fantasy team have 2 good one's. This is a position I've entirely ignored. (Plus I've never been good at it anyways. I've taken the Mirer's over the Bledsoe's. The Leaf's over the Manning's, ect. ect. I have a horrible track record.)

 

So, are there any Russell Wilson clones out there for our system?

The only name I have heard with any linkage to Seattle was before the combine. I had heard that Carroll really liked Tyler Wilson.

 

I'm sure Hawkfin will give his thoughts on the position at some point after doing his research. I'm still putting my board together.

 

The two commons names associated with going to Seattle are Tyler Wilson and Matt Scott. Now, Wilson was a bit banged up this year, but ultimately was very disappointing in leading a very disappointing Arkansas team. He can sling it, sometimes when he shouldn't, and has the mobility of an apartment building. He seems to project to be in the 2nd round. Another 2nd round QB is Ryan Nassib, who I liked in Syracuse. Somewhat mobile, accurate, smart, but you have to think Buffalo grabs him in the 2nd round, as his college coach is the Bills coach. Matt Scott has some speed and ran a read option under Rich Rodriguez in Arizona. However, that was for just one season. Scott is questionable at decision making and footwork and is a huge project who will go in the 4th or 5th round.

 

A couple of guys that I watched in college that I liked, who may or may not translate well to Seattle specifically, that will go very late in the draft and are people to keep an eye on.

 

Colby Cameron from LA Tech, incredible numbers running the Sonny Dykes wide open system, very accurate, efficient, won't throw picks as he set an NCAA record for amount of passes in a row without a pick, better than expected arm strength, short in size. This is the guy I want the Seahawks to take a close look at.

 

Alex Carder from Western Michigan, had a very productive career, fought through some finger injuries last year, lost all of his supporting cast this year at line and skill positions so he is under the radar, good numbers, good size, decent arm