Zimmerman - Guilty of Murder or Self Defense

[BLS 314]

I have not really followed this case as intensely as you guys. The reason being that the whole media/sharpton overblown coverage of the trial/incident made me sick. Obviously Trayvon Martin would be alive today if Zimmerman did'nt profile him. He didn't deserve to die. Based on Florida laws Zimmerman was not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. The whole incident was just a tragic event caused by split second bad decisions made in the heat of a confrontation.

 

But what gets me annoyed is that blacks getting profiled and killed by non-blacks is not a common problem in our society. As a matter of fact, I doubt it happens at all. This was an ISOLATED occurance.

 

A common occurance is blacks getting shot by blacks. In some instances very young blacks. I happen to see the results of these shootings on an almost nightly basis where I work. As much as I like to rile up BLS about guns, it's not a gun problem. It's a black culture problem. It's a glorification of guns and gangs in the black community. Until black leaders, entertainers and athletes start speaking out, the problem will persist. I would love for Obama to make a speech chastising the black community for focusing on this Zimmerman case instead of taking steps to improve their own community. From what i have read, I don't think I would particularly like Zimmerman if I met him but to read tweets from Athletes hinting that he should be shot is focking disgusting. Instead of wasting your money on bling. try spending it in the ghetto to give these kids something to do or spend it on staff for a community center. Staff that may be able to teach these kids the right path. These athletes that have 6 kids with 5 mothers are part of the problem. Zimmerman is not the problem. Zimmerman is just someone you are blaming for your own failures.

 

The fact is that if there was not so much killing and crime glorification n the black community, then guys like Zimmerman would not be profiling blacks as criminals.

 

I see too much senseless death and I never want to get to the point where i am totally numb to it but i am heading that way. Rant over.

 

I as well, am numb to it. Because it's not going to change.

Violence is the currency of those who have no money.

Until these folks get money, no President or athlete is going to change a focking thing.

 

I've talked to numerous people in the Department of Corrections here in MN (a good friend of mine is a warden at one of the prisons here).

The one point they all made abundantly clear to me was 'welfare, food stamps, ebt.....it's a legal bribe to keep them all from killing each other'.

 

I'm convinced of that more and more each day.

 

BTW...I will say that your post was one of the most well thought-out posts you've had in a while. I agree with most of what you said, sans the solution to resolving this issue.

 

Finding a solution is not quite as easy as you suggest (IMO). In fact, after much deliberation, I believe the solution is to STOP assisting them financially for extended periods of time.

Remove the incentive to have children as a means of income (don't tell me it doesn't happen).

Empower people to realize that WORKING and learning to become more productive and earning your own way is the ONLY real solution.

Implementation however, could be extraordinarily painful; at least in the short term.

[NorthernVike 2,087]

By Chris Francescani

NEW YORK | Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:43pm EDT

NEW YORK (Reuters) - A former employee of Florida State Attorney Angela Corey's office plans to file a whistleblower lawsuit against George Zimmerman's prosecutors, his attorney told Reuters on Tuesday.

The action will put pressure on Corey, who already faces criticism from some legal experts for the unsuccessful prosecution of the case, which led to the acquittal of Zimmerman for shooting unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin. Zimmerman's defense has also called for sanctions against her and her prosecution team.

Ben Kruidbos, Corey's former director of information technology, was fired after testifying at a pre-trial hearing on June 6 that prosecutors failed to turn over potentially embarrassing evidence extracted from Martin's cell phone to the defense, as required by evidence-sharing laws.

"We will be filing a whistleblower action in (Florida's Fourth Judicial District) Circuit Court," said Kruidbos' attorney Wesley White, himself a former prosecutor who was hired by Corey but resigned in December because he disagreed with her prosecutorial priorities. He said the suit will be filed within the next 30 days.

Corey and lead prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda declined to comment. A spokeswoman for Corey referred Reuters to Kruidbos' termination letter, previously made public, in which Corey's office accused him of hacking confidential information from state computers.

The six-page letter, dated July 11, charges Kruidbos with "deliberate, willful and unscrupulous actions" that make him untrustworthy and calls his questioning of de la Rionda's actions regarding the cell phone evidence "a shallow, but obvious, attempt to cloak yourself in the protection of the whistleblower law."

BRADY DISPUTE

Zimmerman was acquitted on Saturday following a five-week trial that riveted America and relaunched debates on race and guns. The verdict sparked demonstrations in some cities by those angered by the decision.

On Monday, Corey told Reuters, "Our office adhered to the highest standards of ethical behavior."

Trial law requires prosecutors to share evidence with defense attorneys, especially if it helps exonerate defendants. The requirement is known as the Brady disclosure.

Kruidbos testified last month in a pre-trial hearing that he found photos on Martin's phone that included pictures of a pile of jewelry on a bed, underage nude females, marijuana plants and a hand holding a semi-automatic pistol.

The Martin family lawyer, Benjamin Crump, did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

Kruidbos had emailed de la Rionda in late January and attached a report containing the text messages and images he had retrieved from Martin's cell phone, his lawyer said.

Zimmerman's chief defense attorney Mark O'Mara has said he didn't receive the material until June, shortly before the murder trial began.

Judge Debra Nelson ruled that pictures and texts from Martin's cell phone were inadmissible, after prosecutors argued that it couldn't be proven Martin actually took the pictures and wrote the texts on his phone.

The judge has yet to rule on whether the prosecution committed any Brady violations by not handing over evidence, as alleged by Zimmerman's defense team.

 

 

Yeah, he was just a good kid.

[MDC 7,514]

Pulling with intent to shoot and not shooting is different than showing to prevent an altercation. I'm not telling you anything you don't know. Based on MDC's posts I assumed he meant the latter.

That's what I meant - George Zimmermann should've never let it escalate to a physical confrontation before warning TM that he had a gun. He also never should've followed TM and shouldn't have been carrying a gun on a town watch in the first place. The jury got the verdict right but GZ acted like a focking buffoon.

[RLLD 4,256]

 

I as well, am numb to it. Because it's not going to change.

Violence is the currency of those who have no money.

Until these folks get money, no President or athlete is going to change a focking thing.

 

I've talked to numerous people in the Department of Corrections here in MN (a good friend of mine is a warden at one of the prisons here).

The one point they all made abundantly clear to me was 'welfare, food stamps, ebt.....it's a legal bribe to keep them all from killing each other'.

 

I'm convinced of that more and more each day.

 

BTW...I will say that your post was one of the most well thought-out posts you've had in a while. I agree with most of what you said, sans the solution to resolving this issue.

 

Finding a solution is not quite as easy as you suggest (IMO). In fact, after much deliberation, I believe the solution is to STOP assisting them financially for extended periods of time.

Remove the incentive to have children as a means of income (don't tell me it doesn't happen).

Empower people to realize that WORKING and learning to become more productive and earning your own way is the ONLY real solution.

Implementation however, could be extraordinarily painful; at least in the short term.

 

I agree, but I also see that the notion of everyday in America is some kind of effort for African Americans is the dogma of the media and the African American community. What was once a verifiable truth is now a means to and end. Racism is now watered down to the point where it is casually tossed around at every opportunity. Bad things happen so there must be racism, the African American community dislikes an outcome or event, there must be racism.....

 

Its pretty pathetic, and is a disservice to both those who actually have endured racism, and to the efforts of those seeking to improve conditions for the African American communities. The African Americans in this nation are not the only ones struggling to improve their place, they are simply the only ones doing nothing meaningful to correct it, and complaining instead of doing. This is why the "struggle" continues.

[Mike Honcho 5,302]

I have not really followed this case as intensely as you guys. The reason being that the whole media/sharpton overblown coverage of the trial/incident made me sick. Obviously Trayvon Martin would be alive today if Zimmerman did'nt profile him. He didn't deserve to die. Based on Florida laws Zimmerman was not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. The whole incident was just a tragic event caused by split second bad decisions made in the heat of a confrontation.

 

But what gets me annoyed is that blacks getting profiled and killed by non-blacks is not a common problem in our society. As a matter of fact, I doubt it happens at all. This was an ISOLATED occurance.

 

A common occurance is blacks getting shot by blacks. In some instances very young blacks. I happen to see the results of these shootings on an almost nightly basis where I work. As much as I like to rile up BLS about guns, it's not a gun problem. It's a black culture problem. It's a glorification of guns and gangs in the black community. Until black leaders, entertainers and athletes start speaking out, the problem will persist. I would love for Obama to make a speech chastising the black community for focusing on this Zimmerman case instead of taking steps to improve their own community. From what i have read, I don't think I would particularly like Zimmerman if I met him but to read tweets from Athletes hinting that he should be shot is focking disgusting. Instead of wasting your money on bling. try spending it in the ghetto to give these kids something to do or spend it on staff for a community center. Staff that may be able to teach these kids the right path. These athletes that have 6 kids with 5 mothers are part of the problem. Zimmerman is not the problem. Zimmerman is just someone you are blaming for your own failures.

 

The fact is that if there was not so much killing and crime glorification n the black community, then guys like Zimmerman would not be profiling blacks as criminals.

 

I see too much senseless death and I never want to get to the point where i am totally numb to it but i am heading that way. Rant over.

 

You'd see less death if you improved your doctoring skills. HTH.

 

 

 

------------jk

[RLLD 4,256]

That's what I meant - George Zimmermann should've never let it escalate to a physical confrontation before warning TM that he had a gun. He also never should've followed TM and shouldn't have been carrying a gun on a town watch in the first place. The jury got the verdict right but GZ acted like a focking buffoon.

 

Incorrect. He was the neighborhood watch, he was watching the neighborhood. I do not accept that he had no right to perform in his role in the manner he did. Further, the 911 operator advised him to keep an eye on the suspicious person, and he did so. if you are to suggest that Trayvon was warranted in beating his ass, as the "start witness" suggested, then you are missing the point.

 

The kid was beating his ass, and we all know why, because no creepy-ass cracker is going to follow him, he is a big badass and he was going to tech that cracker a lesson. The kid put himself into the position to engage someone he already acknowledged as "creepy" and following him, that was pretty damb stupid.

 

The positive out of this is that I have a rather excellent example for my own kids of how to NOT behave, and have used every opportunity to remind them.....don't be an idiot, don't confront someone you think is following you.....they may have a knife or a gun, or mean you harm, and if you provoke a confrontation, they might hurt you.

[BLS 314]

 

I agree, but I also see that the notion of everyday in America is some kind of effort for African Americans is the dogma of the media and the African American community. What was once a verifiable truth is now a means to and end. Racism is now watered down to the point where it is casually tossed around at every opportunity. Bad things happen so there must be racism, the African American community dislikes an outcome or event, there must be racism.....

 

Its pretty pathetic, and is a disservice to both those who actually have endured racism, and to the efforts of those seeking to improve conditions for the African American communities. The African Americans in this nation are not the only ones struggling to improve their place, they are simply the only ones doing nothing meaningful to correct it, and complaining instead of doing. This is why the "struggle" continues.

 

TRUTH

[BLS 314]

 

Incorrect. He was the neighborhood watch, he was watching the neighborhood. I do not accept that he had no right to perform in his role in the manner he did. Further, the 911 operator advised him to keep an eye on the suspicious person, and he did so. if you are to suggest that Trayvon was warranted in beating his ass, as the "start witness" suggested, then you are missing the point.

 

The kid was beating his ass, and we all know why, because no creepy-ass cracker is going to follow him, he is a big badass and he was going to tech that cracker a lesson. The kid put himself into the position to engage someone he already acknowledged as "creepy" and following him, that was pretty damb stupid.

 

The positive out of this is that I have a rather excellent example for my own kids of how to NOT behave, and have used every opportunity to remind them.....don't be an idiot, don't confront someone you think is following you.....they may have a knife or a gun, or mean you harm, and if you provoke a confrontation, they might hurt you.

TRUTH

[MDC 7,514]

 

Incorrect. He was the neighborhood watch, he was watching the neighborhood. I do not accept that he had no right to perform in his role in the manner he did. Further, the 911 operator advised him to keep an eye on the suspicious person, and he did so. if you are to suggest that Trayvon was warranted in beating his ass, as the "start witness" suggested, then you are missing the point.

 

The kid was beating his ass, and we all know why, because no creepy-ass cracker is going to follow him, he is a big badass and he was going to tech that cracker a lesson. The kid put himself into the position to engage someone he already acknowledged as "creepy" and following him, that was pretty damb stupid.

 

The positive out of this is that I have a rather excellent example for my own kids of how to NOT behave, and have used every opportunity to remind them.....don't be an idiot, don't confront someone you think is following you.....they may have a knife or a gun, or mean you harm, and if you provoke a confrontation, they might hurt you.

I suggest you get online and read about neighborhood watch rules. You won't find a single formal neighborhood watch group that doesn't tell it's members to not carry a weapon, particularly a gun, not follow people at all and not attempt to apprehend anyone. Police are wary of working with neighborhood watch groups at all because of exactly this kind of behavior.

 

[IGotWorms 4,059]

Zimmerman wanted to pretend he was a cop because he didn't have what it takes to be a real one.

[MDC 7,514]

Zimmerman wanted to pretend he was a cop because he didn't have what it takes to be a real one.

He kind of reminded me of Seth Rogan in Observe and Report.

[RLLD 4,256]

I suggest you get online and read about neighborhood watch rules. You won't find a single formal neighborhood watch group that doesn't tell it's members to not carry a weapon, particularly a gun, not follow people at all and not attempt to apprehend anyone. Police are wary of working with neighborhood watch groups at all because of exactly this kind of behavior.

 

 

But you stated that "He also never should've followed TM", and I disagree with that statement. In so far as the gun, he was in legal ownership of that weapon, he broke no laws by carrying it. if in doing so he violated a rule then he should be held accountable for that action. He was keeping an eye on the suspicious person, that is not breaking ANY law, he broke no law by following that person, in fact the 911 operator stated that he should keep an eye on the suspicious person.

 

His behavior was not illegal, not inappropriate, he caused no injury until the person in question elected to engage him, and then attempt to beat his ass.

 

This criminalization of his behavior in such a manner as to suggest his actions justify what this kid did to provoke the situation into a deadly outcome is repugnant, the kid....by HIS OWN ACTIONS....brought about the negative consequences.

 

Let this be a lesson to us all, if you seek a physical confrontation just because you don't like the way someone looks, or because you think they are following you, then you are setting yourself up for a negative outcome, you might even die, so don't be focking stupid, for your own sake.

[parrot 789]

Zimmerman wanted to pretend he was a cop because he didn't have what it takes to be a real one.

 

<Insert Worms-lawyer joke here>

 

Yeah, either that or he got sick of watching break-ins in his neighborhood that the "real" cops were unable or unwilling to do anything about. I know that's a pretty radical idea in these days of close your blinds and lock your doors, but to some of us it still makes sense.

[IGotWorms 4,059]

 

<Insert Worms-lawyer joke here>

 

Yeah, either that or he got sick of watching break-ins in his neighborhood that the "real" cops were unable or unwilling to do anything about. I know that's a pretty radical idea in these days of close your blinds and lock your doors, but to some of us it still makes sense.

No, that's just you wanting to make a hero out of him. The trial defense was that Zimmerman was pretty much a soft, pathetic loser. He wanted to be a tough guy cop but he didn't have what it takes. Hence why he "had" to put a bullet in the chest of a 17 year old kid he was harassing.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Zimmerman wanted to pretend he was a cop because he didn't have what it takes to be a real one.

Pure speculation on your part. Just what a "lawyer" is suppose to do.

[Mungwater 597]

I also heard that Sanford has more crime per 1,000 residents than Compton, it was on the radio, no link

[FlaHawker 24]

No, that's just you wanting to make a hero out of him. The trial defense was that Zimmerman was pretty much a soft, pathetic loser. He wanted to be a tough guy cop but he didn't have what it takes. Hence why he "had" to put a bullet in the chest of a 17 year old kid he was harassing.

Are you really a lawyer?

[MDC 7,514]

 

But you stated that "He also never should've followed TM", and I disagree with that statement. In so far as the gun, he was in legal ownership of that weapon, he broke no laws by carrying it. if in doing so he violated a rule then he should be held accountable for that action. He was keeping an eye on the suspicious person, that is not breaking ANY law, he broke no law by following that person, in fact the 911 operator stated that he should keep an eye on the suspicious person.

I never said he broke any laws. I said over and over that the jury got it right. What I said was that he broke every town watch rule in the book and his behavior was irresponsible.

 

It's sad to me that you will teach your kids that an irresponsible macho / juvenile cop wannabe is someone to be admired.

 

[parrot 789]

No, that's just you wanting to make a hero out of him. The trial defense was that Zimmerman was pretty much a soft, pathetic loser. He wanted to be a tough guy cop but he didn't have what it takes. Hence why he "had" to put a bullet in the chest of a 17 year old kid he was harassing.

Fock you. I'm not trying to make a 'hero' out of him, but I certainly don't have a problem with him trying to take some responsibility for his neighborhood. If more people would do that we might not have so many sh1t-hole neighborhoods. He called the police and implored them to get there as quickly as they could. There was no indication in any of the trial evidence that he was looking to be a "tough guy" or confront Martin at all.

[IGotWorms 4,059]

Are you really a lawyer?

Only on the Internet

[FlaHawker 24]

I also heard that Sanford has more crime per 1,000 residents than Compton, it was on the radio, no link

I've heard 23 per 1000 in Compton and 60 per 1000 in Sanford.

[IGotWorms 4,059]

Fock you. I'm not trying to make a 'hero' out of him, but I certainly don't have a problem with him trying to take some responsibility for his neighborhood. If more people would do that we might not have so many sh1t-hole neighborhoods. He called the police and implored them to get there as quickly as they could. There was no indication in any of the trial evidence that he was looking to be a "tough guy" or confront Martin at all.

Bullsh!t, you're seeing what you want to see so it can fit this narrative of a good man fed up with crime in his neighborhood. Fact is, Zimmerman wanted to be a cop but they wouldn't take him. So best he could do was get off his jollies by being a dooshbag "neighborhood watch" tough guy. Problem is he wasn't tough at all.

[FlaHawker 24]

Only on the Internet

[drobeski 3,061]

I never said he broke any laws. I said over and over that the jury got it right. What I said was that he broke every town watch rule in the book and his behavior was irresponsible.

 

It's sad to me that you will teach your kids that an irresponsible macho / juvenile cop wannabe is someone to be admired.

 

As opposed to making an irresponsible gold teef pot smoking angry gangsta wanna be racist punk ass a hero ?

[FlaHawker 24]

 

It's sad to me that you will teach your kids that an irresponsible macho / juvenile cop wannabe is someone to be admired.

 

Is that what you think RLLD said?

[parrot 789]

Bullsh!t, you're seeing what you want to see so it can fit this narrative of a good man fed up with crime in his neighborhood. Fact is, Zimmerman wanted to be a cop but they wouldn't take him. So best he could do was get off his jollies by being a dooshbag "neighborhood watch" tough guy. Problem is he wasn't tough at all.

 

Yeah, right. You're psychoanalyzing Zimmerman based on a single application to be a police officer - which was rejected due to poor credit as I understand it - but I'm the one seeing what I want to see.

 

You made up your mind about this day one and have been seeing what you wanted to see since, and you've been wrong every step of the way. But hey, don't let that slow your roll.

[RLLD 4,256]

I never said he broke any laws. I said over and over that the jury got it right. What I said was that he broke every town watch rule in the book and his behavior was irresponsible.

 

It's sad to me that you will teach your kids that an irresponsible macho / juvenile cop wannabe is someone to be admired.

 

 

No, what you stated indicated that you view George Zimmerman as the instigator because he followed Trayvon Martin, and I countered that George Zimmerman was free to follow Trayvon Martin, he broke no laws, and I further noted that as the neighborhood watch he was fulfilling his role, and also that the 911 operator encouraged him toward this action.

 

That's what I meant - George Zimmermann should've never let it escalate to a physical confrontation before warning TM that he had a gun. He also never should've followed TM and shouldn't have been carrying a gun on a town watch in the first place. The jury got the verdict right but GZ acted like a focking buffoon.

 

 

Suggesting that Zimermman "let it" escalate is then suggesting that the kid was somehow justified in beating on him. There is no obligation for him to announce that he is carrying a weapon. Your assertions have no merit.

 

Further at no point did I state or suggest that I encourage my children to admire or otherwise emulate George Zimermman, your strawman aside, sticking to the facts for just a moment, I stated that I use the actions of Trayvon martin as a perfect example of how stupid a kid can be, and how they need to learn from his stupidity. One cannot control the actions of others, but one can control their own actions to not instigate a confrontation by turning on people and beating on them

[MDC 7,514]

 

No, what you stated indicated that you view George Zimmerman as the instigator because he followed Trayvon Martin, and I countered that George Zimmerman was free to follow Trayvon Martin, he broke no laws, and I further noted that as the neighborhood watch he was fulfilling his role, and also that the 911 operator encouraged him toward this action.

 

You keep insisting he broke no laws which is a straw man argument. Lots of irresponsible behavior is legal. The 911 operator asked him to keep an eye on TM. He wasn't asked to leave his car, follow or engage him.

 

No wonder our kids are focked. Their parents idolize fat cowboy poosays who get people killed. I weep for our country.

[Mike Honcho 5,302]

 

No, what you stated indicated that you view George Zimmerman as the instigator because he followed Trayvon Martin, and I countered that George Zimmerman was free to follow Trayvon Martin, he broke no laws, and I further noted that as the neighborhood watch he was fulfilling his role, and also that the 911 operator encouraged him toward this action.

 

 

Suggesting that Zimermman "let it" escalate is then suggesting that the kid was somehow justified in beating on him. There is no obligation for him to announce that he is carrying a weapon. Your assertions have no merit.

 

Further at no point did I state or suggest that I encourage my children to admire or otherwise emulate George Zimermman, your strawman aside, sticking to the facts for just a moment, I stated that I use the actions of Trayvon martin as a perfect example of how stupid a kid can be, and how they need to learn from his stupidity. One cannot control the actions of others, but one can control their own actions to not instigate a confrontation by turning on people and beating on them

According the the juror...that's not correct:

 

She said Zimmerman "started the ball rolling" and could have avoided the situation by staying in his car. The neighborhood watch captain had called police about a suspicious person, and was told by a 911 dispatcher not to pursue the person.

 

Did the juror misunderstand this point, was there a 911 transcript ?

[parrot 789]

According the the juror...that's not correct:

 

She said Zimmerman "started the ball rolling" and could have avoided the situation by staying in his car. The neighborhood watch captain had called police about a suspicious person, and was told by a 911 dispatcher not to pursue the person.

 

Was there a 911 transcript to the contrary?

 

The dispatcher told him "We don't need you to do that." At no point did he tell him flat out not to do it or to return to his vehicle.

[MDC 7,514]

 

The dispatcher told him "We don't need you to do that." At no point did he tell him flat out not to do it or to return to his vehicle.

[RLLD 4,256]

According the the juror...that's not correct:

 

She said Zimmerman "started the ball rolling" and could have avoided the situation by staying in his car. The neighborhood watch captain had called police about a suspicious person, and was told by a 911 dispatcher not to pursue the person.

 

Did the juror misunderstand this point, was there a 911 transcript ?

 

The jurors had access to the tape where the 911 operator told Zimmerman to "keep and eye on him", with "him" being Trayvon Martin, and while the 911 operators responded to Zimmermans acknowledgement that he was following Martin by saying 'we don't nee you to do that" , the same operator asked Zimmerman two more times after that statement if he knew where the suspicious person was going. Under cross examination that 911 operator admitted that Zimmerman broke no law by doing so, that 911 advises people not to follow out of liability issues.

 

In fact the juror is accurate when she states that Zimmerman started the ball rolling by getting out of his car, but getting out of ones car and walking behind another person is not justification for assault, defending oneself against assault is reasonable, shooting someone who is on top of you and beating you is perfectly fine in my book.

[RLLD 4,256]

You keep insisting he broke no laws which is a straw man argument. Lots of irresponsible behavior is legal. The 911 operator asked him to keep an eye on TM. He wasn't asked to leave his car, follow or engage him.

 

No wonder our kids are focked. Their parents idolize fat cowboy poosays who get people killed. I weep for our country.

 

Incorrect. My statements are fact, he broke no laws plain and simple, we know this. A strawman argument is rhetorical device that deliberately misrepresents and weakens the argument of the other side. This is what you did when you stated "It's sad to me that you will teach your kids that an irresponsible macho / juvenile cop wannabe is someone to be admired.", it was a rhetorical statement which deliberately misrepresentation what I actually said because you cannot speak to the point in question.

[jerryskids 6,857]

MDC has either decided he is going to spend his time here fishing, or he has eaten a heaping bowl of stupid.

[BLS 314]

No, that's just you wanting to make a hero out of him. The trial defense was that Zimmerman was pretty much a soft, pathetic loser. He wanted to be a tough guy cop but he didn't have what it takes. Hence why he "had" to put a bullet in the chest of a 17 year old kid he was harassing.

 

 

OMG...my pussay hurts from just reading your post. I want to masturbate with my own tears.

[DankNuggs 305]

I suggest you get online and read about neighborhood watch rules. You won't find a single formal neighborhood watch group that doesn't tell it's members to not carry a weapon, particularly a gun, not follow people at all and not attempt to apprehend anyone. Police are wary of working with neighborhood watch groups at all because of exactly this kind of b

 

I kind of laugh at how poor the reaches are to justify a violent assualt. It doesn't matter if he had a gun, it doesn't matter if he was walking around trying to get an address on where the kid was. None of that remotely matters. Two wrongs don't make a right. And that fact its being argued because of the kids race is frankly really beneath where this country should be from a racial perspective.

 

 

Take away everything that happened after the first punch was thrown, and Trayvon is getting handcuffed for assualt. and battery.

[IGotWorms 4,059]

 

 

OMG...my pussay hurts from just reading your post. I want to masturbate with my own tears.

That's kinda hot

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Keep the faith, Worms.

 

You have been wrong on every point regarding this case since Day 1. Even after the facts are presented at trial you continue with your fantasies.

 

Your entire argument is based on nothing more than a fictitious scenario you have created in your mind to justify you being a dumbass.

[Phurfur 70]

Of all forms of slavery there is none that is so harmful and degrading as that form of slavery which tempts one human being to hate another by reason of his race or color. - Booker T. Washington

[parrot 789]

 

Facts are funny.