Zimmerman - Guilty of Murder or Self Defense

[MDC 7,514]

 

Oh, OK, I was still running with the because George Zimmerman was this and that thing you were working on. If we are going to stick to the facts instead I guess maybe a trial by jury would, wait, never mind....

Aaaaaand we come full circle to my original post where I said the jury made the right call.

 

Look, your hero got away with acting irresponsibly and getting a kid killed all cause he was acting like a big swinging d1ck instead of a responsible gun owner. Just be happy he got off and don't ask me to buy his retarded story too okay?

[peenie 1,916]

 

Stereotypical, as in black kid with a hoodie? Or are we only stereotyping one way this week?

 

100% honesty right here, since when are hoodies signs of a thug or criminal behavior???

hoodies are for athletes or people that work out, never someone who might beat you up.

i never knew a hoodie struck fear in anyone until the trayvon martin case.

[drobeski 3,061]

The jury was obviously racist

[Recliner Pilot 61]

 

100% honesty right here, since when are hoodies signs of a thug or criminal behavior???

 

Ever since Belicheat started wearing them.

[NorthernVike 2,087]

We'll just have to take GZ's word for it that after ignoring the cops and following TM around, Martin suddenly pounced on him like an animal before he could warn him that he was armed.

Did peenie get ahold of mdc's passwerd?

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Did peenie get ahold of mdc's passwerd?

MDC Matthews: "GZ's story is BS............the jury made the right call".

[peenie 1,916]

real gang members

more real gang members

some more gang members

not a hoodie in sight

 

not to mention that i don't believe that trayvon said, "you're going to die tonight" and after being shot, "you got me."

none of that makes sense, nor does it match with the way trayvon apparently spoke (heavy use of slang).

[KSB2424 3,148]

Aaaaaand we come full circle to my original post where I said the jury made the right call.

 

Look, your hero got away with acting irresponsibly and getting a kid killed all cause he was acting like a big swinging d1ck instead of a responsible gun owner. Just be happy he got off and don't ask me to buy his retarded story too okay?

 

The problem people are having with reactions like this is that the evidence presented during the trial pretty much backed GZ's story. If it did not then he would not have been aquitted. Thats sort of how all this works.

 

A portion of folks simply refuse to accept this as it goes against there preconcieved notions so they reject it.

[RLLD 4,256]

 

100% honesty right here, since when are hoodies signs of a thug or criminal behavior???

hoodies are for athletes or people that work out, never someone who might beat you up.

i never knew a hoodie struck fear in anyone until the trayvon martin case.

 

Nothing about a hoodie is indicative of a thug or bad behavior, the notion that such a circumstance exists was fabricated by the media. My reference to the hoodie was to illuminate to the poster in question the same stereotypical approach that was just as inappropriate as it pertained to the hoodie.

 

At no point was the hoodie ever presented from a position of fear, just another prop by the media to exploit the unintelligent for ratings.

[MDC 7,514]

MDC Matthews: "GZ's story is BS............the jury made the right call".

Think harder stupid, you'll get it eventually.

[RLLD 4,256]

Aaaaaand we come full circle to my original post where I said the jury made the right call.

 

Look, your hero got away with acting irresponsibly and getting a kid killed all cause he was acting like a big swinging d1ck instead of a responsible gun owner. Just be happy he got off and don't ask me to buy his retarded story too okay?

 

 

Zimmerman is far from a hero, and I think we need to make sure he never becomes one, and that he also never gets any sympathy for his new life in hiding.....he earned all that and more.

 

Just because I agree with him defending himself does not mean I agree with this kid losing his life just for being an idiot wannabe thug. If that were enough to be killed we would lose a generation of teenagers overnight.

[JackARoot 2]

 

 

Eyewitness saying he saw TM on top of GZ reigning blows down on him MMA style.

 

Broken nose. Lacerations on back of head.

 

Evidence from the prosecution? none.

 

I think the "preponderance of the evidence" threshold was far exceeded.

You may think so, but we'll never know whether the jury would have agreed with you had this standard been in place. If it had, the defense would have been under greater pressure to put Zimmerman on the stand.

[Phurfur 70]

No, but getting your ass kicked by an unarmed 17 year old while you're carrying sure is.

I thought you didn't believe GZ story.

[drobeski 3,061]

A serious question for those who disagree with the verdict.

Was Zimmerman obliged to let his head get pounded into the cement until he was either brain damaged or dead ?

[MDC 7,514]

 

The problem people are having with reactions like this is that the evidence presented during the trial pretty much backed GZ's story. If it did not then he would not have been aquitted. Thats sort of how all this works.

 

A portion of folks simply refuse to accept this as it goes against there preconcieved notions so they reject it.

Actually the minimal physical evidence failed to overwhelmingly contradict GZ's story, which is the legal burden under Stand Your Ground and why I think it's a stupid law. I support the ruling, I just don't believe things transpired as GZ claimed.

 

Lots of people really butthurt about that.

[MDC 7,514]

I thought you didn't believe GZ story.

I believe he got his ass kicked by a scrawny 17 year old, then decided to pay him back with a bullet in the chest.

[redtodd 7]

We'll just have to take GZ's word for it that after ignoring the cops and following TM around, Martin suddenly pounced on him like an animal before he could warn him that he was armed.

 

Just so I understand:

 

- If GZ was going to approach TM, he should have done it with gun drawn or claimed "I have a gun."

- Either TM DIDN'T physically assault GZ or he was jutsified in it.

 

You make perfect sense.

[MDC 7,514]

 

Just so I understand:

 

- If GZ was going to approach TM, he should have done it with gun drawn or claimed "I have a gun."

- Either TM DIDN'T physically assault GZ or he was jutsified in it.

 

You make perfect sense.

Nope huge whiff on all counts.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Actually the minimal physical evidence failed to overwhelmingly contradict GZ's story, which is the legal burden under Stand Your Ground and why I think it's a stupid law. I support the ruling, I just don't believe things transpired as GZ claimed.

 

Lots of people really butthurt about that.

GZ didn't use 'stand your ground' as a defense.

 

What a moron.......but you keep arguing like you are informed.

[Phurfur 70]

I believe he got his ass kicked by a scrawny 17 year old, then decided to pay him back with a bullet in the chest.

and that was GZ story.

[redtodd 7]

Nope huge whiff on all counts.

 

Oh Good. Because I read this from you:

 

"All GZ had to do was tell Travon he was carrying or show him the gun and nothing happens."

 

I made the mistake of thinking you were serious. You didn't really mean he should show him the gun or tell him he had a gun, despite essentially saying exactly that. Also, it seemed like you didn't place any blame on TM for escalating this into an unnessessary physical confrontation.

 

Now it makes perfect sense.

[RLLD 4,256]

I believe he got his ass kicked by a scrawny 17 year old, then decided to pay him back with a bullet in the chest.

 

 

And yet, even the prosecution at the very end admitted that TM was on top of GM, they sat themselves on top of the dummy that the defense supplied, and tried to suggest that GM could not have gotten the gun because TM was straddling him so well...

[MDC 7,514]

 

Oh Good. Because I read this from you:

 

"All GZ had to do was tell Travon he was carrying or show him the gun and nothing happens."

 

I made the mistake of thinking you were serious. You didn't really mean he should show him the gun or tell him he had a gun, despite essentially saying exactly that. Also, it seemed like you didn't place any blame on TM for escalating this into an unnessessary physical confrontation.

 

Now it makes perfect sense.

I guess I'll have to explain it.

 

Yeah I think GZ should've shown the gun or warned TM that he was carrying before it escalated into a physical confrontation. That is a far cry from approaching TM with his gun drawn already which was how you originally phrased it.

 

I can't even tell where you get the idea that TM didn't attack GZ or that he had no responsibility for the fight.

 

HTH

[IGotWorms 4,059]

 

The problem people are having with reactions like this is that the evidence presented during the trial pretty much backed GZ's story. If it did not then he would not have been aquitted. Thats sort of how all this works.

 

A portion of folks simply refuse to accept this as it goes against there preconcieved notions so they reject it.

That's not exactly true. The reasonable doubt standard certainly came into play here. I bet the jury was sitting there thinking "Zimmerman's story stinks but the prosecution hasn't proven their case." Boom, not guilty.

 

Doesn't mean Zimmerman was right or truthful, just that it couldn't be disproven beyond a reasonable doubt.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

That's not exactly true. The reasonable doubt standard certainly came into play here. I bet the jury was sitting there thinking "Zimmerman's story stinks but the prosecution hasn't proven their case." Boom, not guilty.

 

Doesn't mean Zimmerman was right or truthful, just that it couldn't be disproven beyond a reasonable doubt.

And you have been spot on with all your theories in this case.

 

Your post confirms everything KSB said in his.

[MDC 7,514]

That's not exactly true. The reasonable doubt standard certainly came into play here. I bet the jury was sitting there thinking "Zimmerman's story stinks but the prosecution hasn't proven their case." Boom, not guilty.

 

Doesn't mean Zimmerman was right or truthful, just that it couldn't be disproven beyond a reasonable doubt.

This.

 

Unfortunately that's not good enough for the small weenus Dirty Harry wannabe types who are most likely to get the living sh1t kicked out of them by skinny teenagers.

[KSB2424 3,148]

I guess I'll have to explain it.

 

Yeah I think GZ should've shown the gun or warned TM that he was carrying before it escalated into a physical confrontation. That is a far cry from approaching TM with his gun drawn already which was how you originally phrased it.

 

I can't even tell where you get the idea that TM didn't attack GZ or that he had no responsibility for the fight.

 

HTH

 

Did you even follow the trial, the facts and the evidence whatsoever?

[Recliner Pilot 61]

 

Did you even follow the trial, the facts and the evidence whatsoever?

Obviously not. He thought GZ used stand your ground as a defense.

 

My guess is that Chris Matthews said on his show that if you are white, and not outraged by the verdict, you are a racist. MDC runs with anything he says.

[RLLD 4,256]

 

Did you even follow the trial, the facts and the evidence whatsoever?

 

 

Of course he did, but only those that supported his already-formed conclusion.

[MDC 7,514]

 

 

Of course he did, but only those that supported his already-formed conclusion.

Irony.

[RLLD 4,256]

Irony.

 

Please elaborate, your usage seems inconsistent with fact.

[MDC 7,514]

 

Please elaborate, your usage seems inconsistent with fact.

Sure, I barely said a thing about this trial because absent any eyewitness account of what lead to the shooting it's mostly GZ's account versus what the prosecution could prove, which wasn't much. I think the jury got it right but GZ acted irresponsibly and could've prevented things from going down the way they did. I openly admit this is just my opinion and we will never know for sure what happened.

 

Meanwhile most posters here are convinced that GZ isn't just innocent of the charges, there was nothing he could've done to avoid having to shoot an unarmed teen.

 

But I'm the biased one.

[RLLD 4,256]

Sure, I barely said a thing about this trial because absent any eyewitness account of what lead to the shooting it's mostly GZ's account versus what the prosecution could prove, which wasn't much. I think the jury got it right but GZ acted irresponsibly and could've prevented things from going down the way they did. I openly admit this is just my opinion and we will never know for sure what happened.

 

Meanwhile most posters here are convinced that GZ isn't just innocent of the charges, there was nothing he could've done to avoid having to shoot an unarmed teen.

 

But I'm the biased one.

 

I think you are confused, I have not posted in that line of thought.

[Phurfur 70]

AP

• As Attorney General Eric Holder confirms probe of George Zimmerman over what he called the 'unnecessary' shooting of Trayvon Martin, DOJ hits hurdles with past FBI documents showing agents were unable to find evidence of bias.

 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

 

I think you are confused, I have not posted in that line of thought.

Can you imagine how much he would post if he cared about this issue?

[Mungwater 597]

I can't wait until that fat girl writes a book

[MDC 7,514]

Can you imagine how much he would post if he cared about this issue?

I'd probably be cheering on GZ for killing tht punk and gleefully predicting mass race riots.

[NewbieJr 541]

I can't wait until that fat girl writes a book

That'll be one more than she read.

[drobeski 3,061]

I can't wait until that fat girl writes a book

I hear the teacher from Charlie brown might be the ghost writer.

[Vikings4ever 559]

I hear the teacher from Charlie brown might be the ghost writer audio book narrater.

 

Fixored.