Zimmerman - Guilty of Murder or Self Defense

[BLS 314]

 

While the evidence at this point won't and shouldn't convict the guy.

This was made into a racial issue by a guy following a kid simply because he was a young black kid.

 

I don't think anyone is really trying to claim this is debunking anything about black violence.

 

Proof?

[The Moz 69]

 

 

And the person using the phrase "crazy azz cracker" had nothing to do with making this a racial issue.

 

So if most of the crime in an area is committed by young black males it is racist to be suspicious of a young black male wondering the streets at night?

You live in a mostly white area and see a young black male in a hood walking around there at night -- even if you are the most liberal of people -- the thought of the guy being there to rob some home is at the very least going to to pop up in your mind. It's like going into the Ocean and hoping a "Shark" doesn't bite you -- yes there are other animals that could hurt you but odds are if a ocean creature hurts you it will be a shark.

 

It is funny though because if Trayvon would of killed Zimmerman we likely do not even hear of this for more than a day if that.

 

But becasue a HISPANIC (or whatever a person of Peruvian heritage is called) with a "White" last name does this it's a racist crime.

 

Just pisses me off as Had his last name been Cortez or Ramirez no one gives a fock. Just if a white guy kills a black person it's some racial atrocity and THE MANY MORE times a Black kills a white is not really talked about.

[The Moz 69]

 

Proof?

I think he was as well -- that still in no way does a dman thing in terms of changing the trials outcome

[RLLD 4,256]

 

While the evidence at this point won't and shouldn't convict the guy.

This was made into a racial issue by a guy following a kid simply because he was a young black kid.

 

I don't think anyone is really trying to claim this is debunking anything about black violence.

 

There is no proof that Zimmerman followed him because he was a young black kid, in fact the situation points away from that notion. It was late at night, raining, and the kid had a hoodie on, the notion that this guy stalked Martin because he was black is weak at best, and is something being brought forth to evoke emotion; I don't buy it.

 

But let's assume for a moment that he did follow him because he was black, so the mother fock what.....I mean, honestly, boo-focking-hoo, he was followed because he was black, and that matters? What matters is whether or not Zimmerman should have the ability to shoot a kid, period, end of story. If the law allows him to do that then I think the law sucks, and needs to be fixed. How can we know if anyone is ever "justified" in shooting someone? If the kid attacked Zimmerman, and Zimmerman felt his life was in danger then he has a right to defend himself, period, end of story.

 

Making this some kind of racial situation is pathetic and repugnant. (not saying that you are doing that)

 

Watching the talking head go on and on about race and this case is pretty sickening.

[cbfalcon 825]

You live in a mostly white area and see a young black male in a hood walking around there at night -- even if you are the most liberal of people -- the thought of the guy being there to rob some home is at the very least going to to pop up in your mind.

 

Wow.

 

To just see a black kid in a white area and think he is a criminal? The only thing I notice is people dressed in a way that doesn't belong in a particular area. Homeless, sure.. Maybe if a kid had a red bandana on his head and another red bandana covering his mouth, I'd look suspiciously. But just seeing a black kid in a white area, no.

[The Moz 69]

 

Wow.

 

To just see a black kid in a white area and think he is a criminal? The only thing I notice is people dressed in a way that doesn't belong in a particular area. Homeless, sure.. Maybe if a kid had a red bandana on his head and another red bandana covering his mouth, I'd look suspiciously. But just seeing a black kid in a white area, no.

No dumbass to see a black teen at night , in the rain , alone, wearing a black hood, in a subdivision where there are few if any blacks -- yeah most people would have that thought in their heads - while granted most wouldn't act on it. Sorry if I like to be honest and tell things how they are in regards to race - it seems to make me racist #1 on this board becasue of all the folks like yourself suffering from White Guilt complex! -- That love to go "Oh I would NEVER........" "you're a racist" , etc.

[KSB2424 3,148]

 

Wow.

 

To just see a black kid in a white area and think he is a criminal? The only thing I notice is people dressed in a way that doesn't belong in a particular area. Homeless, sure.. Maybe if a kid had a red bandana on his head and another red bandana covering his mouth, I'd look suspiciously. But just seeing a black kid in a white area, no.

 

Yeah, Moz may want to just stop posting about race stuff for a while. He's not coming across very well. And normally I'm all for open dialog and think 'racism' is yelled way to much in this country. But yeah, Moz, take a breather. Sit this one out.

 

[Recliner Pilot 61]

More testimony today that the screaming was coming from Zimmerman.

[KSB2424 3,148]

I stopped paying attention to this trial after the first week of court. I think everyone knows what happened by now with the testimony thats been given.

 

When two dumbasses collide, stuff like this happens. End of Story.

 

At WORST a case can be made for manslaughter. At BEST it was a case of classic self defense.

 

The only reason Murder Two was sought after, the only reason why its on TV, is because the race angle was played and the media jumped on it like a dog on red meat. Facts be damned.

 

The End.

[cbfalcon 825]

No dumbass to see a black teen at night , in the rain , alone, wearing a black hood, in a subdivision where there are few if any blacks -- yeah most people would have that thought in their heads - while granted most wouldn't act on it. Sorry if I like to be honest and tell things how they are in regards to race - it seems to make me racist #1 on this board becasue of all the folks like yourself suffering from White Guilt complex! -- That love to go "Oh I would NEVER........" "you're a racist" , etc.

 

Your "honesty in regards to race" is comes from the viewpoint of a racist.. That's all.

 

We all have our filters. But seeing a black teen in a common outfit walking in a largely white neighborhood (how white of a neighborhood was it, considering the witnesses we've seen?), even at night God forbid, doesn't set out criminal alarms for most.

 

For you, obviously it does. For normal people, no.

[NorthernVike 2,087]

I stopped paying attention to this trial after the first week of court. I think everyone knows what happened by now with the testimony thats been given.

 

When two dumbasses collide, stuff like this happens. End of Story.

 

At WORST a case can be made for manslaughter. At BEST it was a case of classic self defense.

 

The only reason Murder Two was sought after, the only reason why its on TV, is because the race angle was played and the media jumped on it like a dog on red meat. Facts be damned.

 

The End.

Don't forget that Obama threw a gallon of gas on the fire too.

[NorthernVike 2,087]

 

Your "honesty in regards to race" is comes from the viewpoint of a racist.. That's all.

 

We all have our filters. But seeing a black teen in a common outfit walking in a largely white neighborhood (how white of a neighborhood was it, considering the witnesses we've seen?), even at night God forbid, doesn't set out criminal alarms for most.

 

For you, obviously it does. For normal people, no.

You have to put the town in perspective too. This place is a shithole where a preggers was beaten by a large group of black people. One would think other things have led to the areas problems.

[The Moz 69]

 

Your "honesty in regards to race" is comes from the viewpoint of a racist.. That's all.

So speaking on things in which you have statistics and facts to back you up is racist? Racially insensitive it could be and probably is but that is often the case with the truth.

[MDC 7,520]

Don't forget that Obama threw a gallon of gas on the fire too.

I knew this was Obummer's fault too!

[BLS 314]

After seeing this mornings' testimony, I cannot see how Zimmerman doesn't walk.
The prosecution doesn't even have a case. Matter of fact, if I were a Florida tax payer, I'd be more than a bit PO'd that they wasted money on this trial.

[The Moz 69]

I knew this was Obummer's fault too!

You really do love to defend your hero don't you? Which I guess wouldn't be so bad if you didn't seem top go out of your way to say your republican - you're about as republican as RP is Democrat

[phillybear 366]

We all have our filters. But seeing a black teen in a common outfit walking in a largely white neighborhood (how white of a neighborhood was it, considering the witnesses we've seen?), even at night God forbid, doesn't set out criminal alarms for most.

 

For you, obviously it does. For normal people, no.

What? That sets off alarms for everybody. Hell, black folks are running the other way.

[The Moz 69]

After seeing this mornings' testimony, I cannot see how Zimmerman doesn't walk.

The prosecution doesn't even have a case. Matter of fact, if I were a Florida tax payer, I'd be more than a bit PO'd that they wasted money on this trial.

If GZ walks the Jury , Judge , City , County , STate -- are a bunch of Racist bastards!

[NorthernVike 2,087]

I knew this was Obummer's fault too!

Are you saying Obama didn't?

[The Moz 69]

After seeing this mornings' testimony, I cannot see how Zimmerman doesn't walk.

The prosecution doesn't even have a case. Matter of fact, if I were a Florida tax payer, I'd be more than a bit PO'd that they wasted money on this trial.

Also I guess You don't remember Tawana Brawley -- Hell it was SO blatantly obvious she was making it up and when it was shot down and never went beyond a Grand Jury - the black community almost rioted then with Al an Jesse in full assault mode.

[MDC 7,520]

You really do love to defend your hero don't you? Which I guess wouldn't be so bad if you didn't seem top go out of your way to say your republican - you're about as republican as RP is Democrat

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Obummer!

[cbfalcon 825]

You have to put the town in perspective too. This place is a shithole where a preggers was beaten by a large group of black people. One would think other things have led to the areas problems.

 

I don't know enough about the town or Zimmerman's thoughts to really say in that case. You may be right.

 

I just think Moz saying "You live in a mostly white area and see a young black male in a hood walking around there at night -- even if you are the most liberal of people -- the thought of the guy being there to rob some home is at the very least going to to pop up in your mind" is silly....... It's a step or two away from saying "Come on guys. None of us trust blacks. If you see one you don't know, he is likely there to rob you. Statistically they commit most robberies, therefore most of them are robbers".

 

 

[cbfalcon 825]

So speaking on things in which you have statistics and facts to back you up is racist? Racially insensitive it could be and probably is but that is often the case with the truth.

 

 

 

After a crime occurs, you can look at a black guy if the stats say to do so.

 

But I'm pretty sure the stats don't say most black guys are about to commit a crime here in the next 15 minutes, let alone the next week, month, or year.

[MDC 7,520]

Are you saying Obama didn't?

[The Moz 69]

 

I don't know enough about the town or Zimmerman's thoughts to really say in that case. You may be right.

 

I just think Moz saying "You live in a mostly white area and see a young black male in a hood walking around there at night -- even if you are the most liberal of people -- the thought of the guy being there to rob some home is at the very least going to to pop up in your mind" is silly....... It's a step or two away from saying "Come on guys. None of us trust blacks. If you see one you don't know, he is likely there to rob you. Statistically they commit most robberies, therefore most of them are robbers".

 

 

I just say what people are thinking that you won't admit to due to you White Guilt Complex. Granted there is no way to prove this either way -- but if you are seriously saying Most white people would look at a black teen in a white area, late at night , walking alone , in between houses and Not at least have the thought hey he might be there to rob some house - then you're just a delusional idiot. Hell most black people that lived there would think that!

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Are you saying Obama didn't?

Sgt. Schultz learned nothing from his Henry Louis Gates debacle when he called the cops stupid.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

Proof?

Its my opinion. And I stand by it.

[The Moz 69]

 

 

 

After a crime occurs, you can look at a black guy if the stats say to do so.

 

But I'm pretty sure the stats don't say most black guys are about to commit a crime here in the next 15 minutes, let alone the next week, month, or year.

So in your opinion going by History and the recent past gives no indicator of whats to come at all?

 

 

Sorry man that was maybe the most naive thing I have ever read on this bored. You really do like to bury your head in the sand

 

The statistics merely state a black teen is the most likely of any demographic / age group to commit a crime! they do not predict the future but they give the most probable senerio

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

There is no proof that Zimmerman followed him because he was a young black kid, in fact the situation points away from that notion. It was late at night, raining, and the kid had a hoodie on, the notion that this guy stalked Martin because he was black is weak at best, and is something being brought forth to evoke emotion; I don't buy it.

 

But let's assume for a moment that he did follow him because he was black, so the mother fock what.....I mean, honestly, boo-focking-hoo, he was followed because he was black, and that matters? What matters is whether or not Zimmerman should have the ability to shoot a kid, period, end of story. If the law allows him to do that then I think the law sucks, and needs to be fixed. How can we know if anyone is ever "justified" in shooting someone? If the kid attacked Zimmerman, and Zimmerman felt his life was in danger then he has a right to defend himself, period, end of story.

 

Making this some kind of racial situation is pathetic and repugnant. (not saying that you are doing that)

 

Watching the talking head go on and on about race and this case is pretty sickening.

 

All I am saying is that following him because he was black (which IMO is the most likely reason he did)...made it a racial issue.

And as I said...the evidence of this won't support a conviction of him.

Both are guilty of being complete dumbasses and it sucks that someone had to lose their life over it.

[BLS 314]

Also I guess You don't remember Tawana Brawley -- Hell it was SO blatantly obvious she was making it up and when it was shot down and never went beyond a Grand Jury - the black community almost rioted then with Al an Jesse in full assault mode.

 

I only suggested he should walk. Never said the FreeShitArmy wouldn't have riots or burn their own neighborhoods down.

But I'm ready for that.

[IGotWorms 4,059]

After seeing this mornings' testimony, I cannot see how Zimmerman doesn't walk.

The prosecution doesn't even have a case. Matter of fact, if I were a Florida tax payer, I'd be more than a bit PO'd that they wasted money on this trial.

You say this every single day. I think we're looking at an acquittal on murder two and maybe on manslaughter as well. But is it possible, just possible, that you are viewing everything through the angle of confirming your preconceived views on the case?

[cbfalcon 825]

So in your opinion going by History and the recent past gives no indicator of whats to come at all?

 

 

Sorry man that was maybe the most naive thing I have ever read on this bored. You really do like to bury your head in the sand

 

The statistics merely state a black teen is the most likely of any demographic / age group to commit a crime! they do not predict the future but they give the most probable senerio

 

Are you doing a bit?

 

Even if blacks commit 100% of crimes, that doesn't mean 100% of blacks are criminals. No idea what the number is, but I will guess most will never rob a house.

[IGotWorms 4,059]

 

I don't know enough about the town or Zimmerman's thoughts to really say in that case. You may be right.

 

I just think Moz saying "You live in a mostly white area and see a young black male in a hood walking around there at night -- even if you are the most liberal of people -- the thought of the guy being there to rob some home is at the very least going to to pop up in your mind" is silly....... It's a step or two away from saying "Come on guys. None of us trust blacks. If you see one you don't know, he is likely there to rob you. Statistically they commit most robberies, therefore most of them are robbers".

 

 

"A step away"? The Moz has flat-out stated this very thing, over and over again. He is a self-avowed racist.

[BLS 314]

Its my opinion. And I stand by it.

 

That's fine with me. Everybody is entitled to their opinion.

 

I just don't see that's why this is a racial issue, but now I understand your perspective on it.

 

For the record, you do know GZ was mentoring colored students just prior to this happening right?

Did you also know he helped publicly arrange political pressure to put on the local PD because allegedly the WHITE son of a police officer beat up a homeless, black man and the PD tried to cover it up?

 

Sounds pretty freakin racist.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFqan5fEGzg

 

http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/23/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html

 

http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/24/justice/florida-teen-shooting

[DankNuggs 305]

Evidence points to acquittal, but the politics of this demand manslaughter... I think reasonable doubt was never in question on any of this...

[IGotWorms 4,059]

 

I only suggested he should walk. Never said the FreeShitArmy wouldn't have riots or burn their own neighborhoods down.

But I'm ready for that.

FreeShitArmy? Are those the people who avoided their debts?

[BLS 314]

You say this every single day. I think we're looking at an acquittal on murder two and maybe on manslaughter as well. But is it possible, just possible, that you are viewing everything through the angle of confirming your preconceived views on the case?

 

If you mean looking at all of the available evidence and making a sound decision not based on emotion, but plausibility and common sense?

Then yes, guilty as charged.

 

Of course I'm biased. The evidence keeps coming out suggesting Self Defense.

There's no concrete proof to the contrary.

 

It has nothing to do with race, gender, or that I'm a "self defense expert" (which I am most certainly not), or a gun nut (if you want to use that term).

Dude was watching a suspicious kid. Lost sight of him, lost his awareness (big mistake) and then got the tar beat out of him. To the point where he apparently felt threatened for his life and he shoots the attacker.

 

If you can show me ANY evidence contrary to that, I'm all ears.

[BLS 314]

FreeShitArmy? Are those the people who avoided their debts?

 

No, those are people who don't work or won't work, but want freeshit.

 

Keep poking. It doesn't bother me. I don't typically bring up personal , but if you feel the need to, go ahead.

[phillybear 366]

I'd like to put forth my rule that anybody that wears a hoodie should be shot in the knee just out of principle. You always see the surveillance videos of a guy robbing a place, and he's always wearing a hoodie for a disguise. The guy manufacturing Groucho Marx eyeglass, cigar, and mustache ensembles is just about out of business.

[The Moz 69]

 

Are you doing a bit?

 

Even if blacks commit 100% of crimes, that doesn't mean 100% of blacks are criminals. No idea what the number is, but I will guess most will never rob a house.

Jeebus man -- I am not saying all blacks or even most blacks are criminals I am saying when a crime is committed the biggest probability as to the perpetrators race/sex/age is that of a Black male teen