Zimmerman - Guilty of Murder or Self Defense

[LOD01 198]

Let's cut the rest of this out (trial) and get to the rioting.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Really?

 

They showed that the defense would not be able to call the investigating officers to testify about their role in the case?

 

You are like the Engergizer Bunny of stupid.

 

"Still going...."

[Mike Honcho 5,304]

Really?

 

They showed that the defense would not be able to call the investigating officers to testify about their role in the case?

 

Nice...new question entirely. Subtle.

[NewbieJr 541]

RP is the Randall "Tex" Cobb of the Geek Club. Get the sh!t kicked out of him day in and day out and just won't quit.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Nice...new question entirely. Subtle.

Nope.

 

Original question. Search the thread.

[Mike Honcho 5,304]

Cops testifying as to what they asked GZ, and the answers he gave, is hearsay?

 

 

Really?

 

They showed that the defense would not be able to call the investigating officers to testify about their role in the case?

 

Nope, not the same. Unless you got something better, looks like you are trying to pull a bait and switch.

[parrot 789]

Wrong.

 

I have no idea where Parrot got his "exception" from. Nothing in it says the defense could not call the investigating officers to testify about their role in the case.

I got it from page 5 of this thread where it was posted by Worms where he was trying to explain the thing you were repeatedly claiming he never explained; specifically why the prosecution good bring this into evidence without having to face hearsay objections but the defense could not. HTH. Of course now you've switched horses.

 

Good luck with that, btw. She looks just like the sway-backed, flea-bitten, old nag you were riding before.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Nope, not the same. Unless you got something better, looks like you are trying to pull a bait and switch.

Wow. Ya got me. I did not post word for word what I posted last week.

 

So what is the bait and switch?

[Recliner Pilot 61]

I got it from page 5 of this thread where it was posted by Worms where he was trying to explain the thing you were repeatedly claiming he never explained; specifically why the prosecution good bring this into evidence without having to face hearsay objections but the defense could not. HTH. Of course now you've switched horses.

 

Good luck with that, btw. She looks just like the sway-backed, flea-bitten, old nag you were riding before.

 

Is that the Wiki link that CO pointed out was from Federal rules, not Florida rules?

[KSB2424 3,148]

Are people really still arguing over this trial? Its a slam dunk case for the defense. The longer it goes the stupider the proscecution looks for even attempting to go after a Murder II. This whole thing was a waste of taxpayer dollars.

[Mike Honcho 5,304]

Are people really still arguing over this trial? Its a slam dunk case for the defense. The longer it goes the stupider the proscecution looks for even attempting to go after a Murder II. This whole thing was a waste of taxpayer dollars.

 

I think now were mostly just watching RP trying to dig up out of a hole...and occasionally throwing him a new shovel.

[drobeski 3,061]

I must say the prosecution has been impressive, they have done a great job of proving reasonable doubt over and over again.

 

Will Obama do the right thing and sort of make up for the damage he's already done by interjecting himself into the case again, yet this time call for peace and acceptance of the verdict from the African American community ?

[The Moz 69]

I must say the prosecution has been impressive, they have done a great job of proving reasonable doubt over and over again.

 

Will Obama do the right thing and sort of make up for the damage he's already done by interjecting himself into the case again, yet this time call for peace and acceptance of the verdict from the African American community ?

No chance -- he is currently having the Secret Service ready a disguise for him to use after the verdict is read so he can grabs himself a few Flat screens... Damn this bored make me more racist than I really am

[The Moz 69]

To all Korean corner store owners! Either stock up on Ammo NOW!!! or board up your shops and take 2 week vacation! Also may help to put a black owned sign on the plywood.

[parrot 789]

Is that the Wiki link that CO pointed out was from Federal rules, not Florida rules?

It is from the Wiki link, but Florida rules contain almost the same verbiage

 

(18) ADMISSIONS.A statement that is offered against a party and is:

(a) The partys own statement in either an individual or a representative capacity;

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0000-0099/0090/Sections/0090.803.html

 

 

Of course there was some debate between Worms and Observer over whether this exemption was applicable to criminal proceedings, or just civil, the latter being Observer's claim.

 

I found this in the same "Florida Evidence Code";

 

(2) This act shall apply to criminal proceedings related to crimes committed after the effective date of this code and to civil actions and all other proceedings pending on or brought after October 1, 1981.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0000-0099/0090/Sections/0090.103.html

 

It sure sounds to me like it applies to criminal cases.

[BLS 314]

 

We talking saltines here? Cheez-its? Triscuits?

 

Chicken in a Bizkit?

[LOD01 198]

^{Who else is ready to riot?}

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

Chicken in a Bizkit?

Damn...those are tasty.

Or a good wheat thin with garden vegetable cream cheese.

[The Moz 69]

Seriously if you own a store in in Broward or Dade I would be boarding that b!tch up.

[JTB 52]

Seriously if you own a store in in Broward or Dade I would be boarding that b!tch up.

Aren't these the same Counties where there were "chad" issues?

[IGotWorms 4,059]

Really?

 

They showed that the defense would not be able to call the investigating officers to testify about their role in the case?

They could call the investigating officers to testify. Why not?

 

But what they couldn't do is ask the officers what Zimmerman told them. That is hearsay when asked by the defense.

 

HTH

[IGotWorms 4,059]

RP is the Randall "Tex" Cobb of the Geek Club. Get the sh!t kicked out of him day in and day out and just won't quit.

I've said it before, but in some ways you almost have to admire his persistence. Most people would have quit long ago, for good reason.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

They could call the investigating officers to testify. Why not?

But what they couldn't do is ask the officers what Zimmerman told them. That is hearsay when asked by the defense.

HTH

So the fat biotch who can't read gets to testify about what Trayvon said, but cops can't testify about what was said to them?

 

Kinda blows your "due process" argument out of the water.

[Mike Honcho 5,304]

They could call the investigating officers to testify. Why not?

 

But what they couldn't do is ask the officers what Zimmerman told them. That is hearsay when asked by the defense.

 

HTH

 

Yeah, I'm sure he'll get it this time.

[Voltaire 5,322]

Aren't these the same Counties where there were "chad" issues?

Ah, we think alike. I learned and retained way more Florida geography than anyone should know.

[IGotWorms 4,059]

 

It is from the Wiki link, but Florida rules contain almost the same verbiage

 

 

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0000-0099/0090/Sections/0090.803.html

 

 

Of course there was some debate between Worms and Observer over whether this exemption was applicable to criminal proceedings, or just civil, the latter being Observer's claim.

 

I found this in the same "Florida Evidence Code";

 

 

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0000-0099/0090/Sections/0090.103.html

 

It sure sounds to me like it applies to criminal cases.

It most certainly does apply to criminal cases.

 

And for the record, when RP whined about the wiki link I provided earlier (which I gave because it puts the rule in plain terms a non-lawyer can easily grasp), I then provided a link to Cornell law's website directly quoting the federal rule. Florida has pretty much the exact same rule, as does every US jurisdiction I've ever checked. It's pretty basic.

[IGotWorms 4,059]

 

Yeah, I'm sure he'll get it this time.

[IGotWorms 4,059]

So the fat biotch who can't read gets to testify about what Trayvon said, but cops can't testify about what was said to them?

 

Kinda blows your "due process" argument out of the water.

Wow. You just keep getting dumber even though it hardly seems possible.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Still going....thump thump thump thump....

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Wow. You just keep getting dumber even though it hardly seems possible.

You said "Due process" required every party to a case to be treated the same.

 

Apparently, you don't know what "Due process" is, Matlock.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Due process applies to all litigants in any action, civil or criminal. It is the fundamental tenet on which our entire legal system is based. HTH

Things must have changed in the Fla legal code since June 29.

[Sho Nuff 720]

So...abandoning the whole hearsay thing (because you were proven stupid)...only to move on to other stupidity because you think you "caught" someone?

Really so very funny watching you squirm and dig yourself deeper into a hole and look even dumber than before.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

So...abandoning the whole hearsay thing

Hearsay and due process go hand in hand. It's all part of the trial, Slo-N-Nuts.

 

Not my fault Worms painted himself into a legal corner with fancy legal terms he doesn't know the meaning of.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Hearsay and due process go hand in hand. It's all part of the trial, Slo-N-Nuts.

 

Not my fault Worms painted himself into a legal corner with fancy legal terms he doesn't know the meaning of.

 

Actually...he seems to know quite a bit about the meaning of the words and has tried explaining them to you slowly.

Seems pretty much everyone else gets it other than you and CO (who really has not said all that much lately...leaving you here on your own looking like an idiot).

 

But you won't ever figure that out or admit to it...so you just keep up with your usual schtick.

 

If there was ever a time for anyone to claim someone was curb stomped or had their pounded into the dirt...its this one...you were thoroughly beaten down...yet you keep trying. Its focking hilarious.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

 

Actually...he seems to know quite a bit

At least enough to fool rubes like you.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Just watched the forensics expert for the defense. Dude put the nail in the coffin of any thought of a conviction on any count.

 

Sorry Worms, looks like your conviction and life sentence is in peril.

[Sho Nuff 720]

At least enough to fool rubes like you.

Nah...to completely destroy morons like you who don't have a single clue about what you are talking about.

But yet another nice quote parse as usual.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Just watched the forensics expert for the defense. Dude put the nail in the coffin of any thought of a conviction on any count.

 

Sorry Worms, looks like your conviction and life sentence is in peril.

 

Seems you are worried more about this case to try and prove Worms wrong than anything.

What a sad life you lead that what people say on a message board means that much to you (like the NBA thread when you couldn't wait for a game to be over if the Heat were losing so you could post here).

Cue the yip post because you have no comeback for what is obvious to most on this board.

[IGotWorms 4,059]

Shockingly, RP may be right about one thing: a conviction seems unlikely at this point. Certainly not for murder but perhaps not manslaughter either

[RLLD 4,256]

Shockingly, RP may be right about one thing: a conviction seems unlikely at this point. Certainly not for murder but perhaps not manslaughter either

 

I can actually see a manslaughter charge sticking on this one. Murder 2? No way in hell.

 

I think manslaughter should have been the original charge anyway, frankly, I think that is a slam dunk. There is no doubt in my mind that Zimmy is guilty of man2