Reid triggers 'Nuclear Option' and ends filibusters.

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Reading through this thread it's as if some here think the Republicans have actually used this option before.

 

This whole thing is just a distraction right now anyway, this administration is under so much scrutiny right now they would do almost anything to get the spotlight shined somewhere else.

 

The ineptitude of this administration is on full display for the entire world to see and it ain't pretty.....

I heard a few people today say they did this out of the blue to distract from the Obamacare clusterfukk.

 

If this is true, it is a huge sign of desperation and and indication of how bad Obamacare is. They will take a huge political hit for this, and to think this is the only way they can distract their lemmings from the Obamacare clusterfukk is hilarious.

[Voltaire 5,518]

Here's what's going on:

 

The second most important court in the US after SCOTUS is the U.S. Court of Appeals because it hears challenges to federal law so they get the big cases. For example, the recent ruling on whether or not religious employers could be forced to provide birth control services was heard here.

 

There are eleven seats on this court but only eight are occupied, the other three are vacant. Of the eight filled seats, four were appointed by Republicans and four by Democrats. So it would seem to be balanced but in fact senior (retired) justices can also hear cases on a part time basis and those are mostly all Republicans: like four or five Republican appointees to one senior Dem appointee. So this court effectively tilts to the GOP.

 

Obama and the Dems want to fill those three open seats with their appointees to flip the balance their way and the GOP wants to stop them. The three appointees Obama tried to place on this court were all filibustered by the GOP.

 

The use of the filibuster has really been surging in frequency. I remember when the Dems used it to block Robert Bork from a seat on SCOTUS but now you see it everywhere. The GOP points out the Dems filibustered an unprecedented number of the Bushtard's appointees, the Dems counter that the GOP has used it even more frequently and on blocking any and all appointments, not just ones the ones they really hated like the Dems did.

 

The last time this came to a head in 2005, Reid and McConnell took exactly opposite stances as they have today. You could take the quotes from either one of them then, reassign it to the other today, and it would fit like a non-OJ glove. The difference of course was GOP pres/GOP Senate majority then vs Dem Pres/Dem Senate majority today.

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So, to recap: it was OK when republicans tried but failed to do this a few years ago

 

Now that the democrats did it, they are guilty of the biggest power grab in the history of evah

[Sho Nuff 720]

So, to recap: it was OK when republicans tried but failed to do this a few years ago

 

Now that the democrats did it, they are guilty of the biggest power grab in the history of evah

 

Pretty much.

But since the reps didn't get it done...it does not matter even that they wanted it.

And are now all against it.

[Reality 3,127]

There is no response that can sum up the stupidity of the 2 posts above mine.

[Sho Nuff 720]

There is no response that can sum up the stupidity of the 2 posts above mine.

Pointing out the hypocrisy of politicians...and of several posters here is what you find stupid on this board?

Interesting.

[Reality 3,127]

Pointing out the hypocrisy of politicians...and of several posters here is what you find stupid on this board?

Interesting.

 

 

Um, no, you posted that the "Republican's didn't get it done". The Republican's didn't do it because they ultimately knew that it would set a horrible precedent.

 

I really don't like responding to your posts because you are basically low hanging fruit but damn, dude, you can't be this stupid..

[naomi 360]

 

Pretty much.

But since the reps didn't get it done...it does not matter even that they wanted it.

And are now all against it.

 

It couldn't be done because not enough of them wanted it...

 

You could suggest today's Dems were much less confident that sufficient compromise could happen than 2005's Republicans were, and that's the only reason it didn't.

 

[NorthernVike 2,100]

 

 

Um, no, you posted that the "Republican's didn't get it done". The Republican's didn't do it because they ultimately knew that it would set a horrible precedent.

 

I really don't like responding to your posts because you are basically low hanging fruit but damn, dude, you can't be this stupid..

Reality won this thread.

[NewbieJr 541]

Reality won this thread.

But the Democrats won the war.

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The Republicans blocking every nominee was complete bullsh!t. They deserve a lot of the blame for so blatantly abusing the process.

 

However I do not agree with Reid's use of the "nuclear option" here. It obviously sets a dangerous precedent going forward. I think it's a pretty good example of biting off your nose to spire your face.

 

I agree with this

 

[TimmySmith 2,783]

So, to recap: it was OK when republicans tried but failed to do this a few years ago

 

Now that the democrats did it, they are guilty of the biggest power grab in the history of evah

You and Shonuts are all alone in this thread defending the power grab.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

You and Shonuts are all alone in this thread defending the power grab.

Selfie is a cheerleader for it. Won't address the issue, but chimes in like a 13 year old who just got voted to the cheerleading team. Pretty much his usual.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

 

Um, no, you posted that the "Republican's didn't get it done". The Republican's didn't do it because they ultimately knew that it would set a horrible precedent.

 

I really don't like responding to your posts because you are basically low hanging fruit but damn, dude, you can't be this stupid..

 

So, basically, you want to claim that the Republicans grew a conscience...you realize how BS that excuse is right?

And you can try the insults all you want...but your hypocrisy and that of the party you support is out there for all to see (same with the other side).

[Sho Nuff 720]

You and Shonuts are all alone in this thread defending the power grab.

 

You have a hard problem with "reality".

Care to find where I defended it?

I simply agree that politicians are hypocrites...as are political hacks on this board who support things simply because of what party is doing it at the time.

 

Fillibusters have their place...both parties have been completely abusing that power for some time now,

[NewbieJr 541]

Selfie is a cheerleader for it. Won't address the issue, but chimes in like a 13 year old who just got voted to the cheerleading team. Pretty much his usual.

I addressed the issue, Phaggot Learn to read

[Recliner Pilot 61]

 

 

Um, no, you posted that the "Republican's didn't get it done". The Republican's didn't do it because they ultimately knew that it would set a horrible precedent.

 

I really don't like responding to your posts because you are basically low hanging fruit but damn, dude, you can't be this stupid..

Nailed it.................except for the part where you said he can't be this stupid.

[TimmySmith 2,783]

 

You have a hard problem with "reality".

Care to find where I defended it?

I simply agree that politicians are hypocrites...as are political hacks on this board who support things simply because of what party is doing it at the time.

 

Fillibusters have their place...both parties have been completely abusing that power for some time now,

I have an easy time with reality. "Reality" does tend to confuse me. In either case you are a hypocrite.

[Sho Nuff 720]

I have an easy time with reality. "Reality" does tend to confuse me. In either case you are a hypocrite.

 

How am I a hypocrite?

Please point that out?

 

I have quite clearly stated why i think both the r's and d's in this are.

As well as the posters here who had no problem with this when the republicans attempted it...yet are now crying about it.

 

So please, enlighten me to how I am a hypocrite...this should be good.

[JT 137]

1. The premise of the thread was to point out Reid just invoked the Nuclear Option.

 

2. It isn't a hypothetical that the Reps will have control of the Senate in the future. And it's a lock the Dems will when the tables are turned.

 

3. I didn't ignore the premise of the thread, as did the usual tards. They ignored it and went after me......just as you did with this post.

 

4. I see you have yet to address the subject of the thread.

 

5. I also see a few more tards chimed in after your post with "Yeah! What he said".......and ignored the subject as well.

 

 

Other than that, nice effort.

 

No, your title was about Reid.

 

Your premise was that others would be whining when something that is not assured to happen occurs. That's hypothetical. As is your "lock". You apparently don't know the meaning of some of the words you use.

 

Your initial post didn't give any inclination that the thread existed to elicit comments. Just whining about reactions based on hypothetical events.

 

How others might respond to my post is not of particular concern to me. We differ that way.

 

Wish I could give you the same "nice try" but you failed pretty miserably.

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No, your title was about Reid.

 

Your premise was that others would be whining when something that is not assured to happen occurs. That's hypothetical. As is your "lock". You apparently don't know the meaning of some of the words you use.

 

Your initial post didn't give any inclination that the thread existed to elicit comments. Just whining about reactions based on hypothetical events.

 

How others might respond to my post is not of particular concern to me. We differ that way.

 

Wish I could give you the same "nice try" but you failed pretty miserably.

Please continue to about me and ignore the subject.

 

Thanks in advance.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

 

As well as the posters here who had no problem with this when the republicans attempted it...yet are now crying about it.

 

 

 

Who would those posters be?

[NorthernVike 2,100]

 

 

Who would those posters be?

No shiot. I'm already on record as opposed to it in the second post in the thread. But slonuts wouldn't let somthing simple like facts get in the way.

[JT 137]

Please continue to about me and ignore the subject.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

[IGotWorms 4,063]

It must be nice to live in a world of black and white.

 

Rs = good

Ds = bad

 

So simple, no need to question anything else

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Who would those posters be?

[TimmySmith 2,783]

 

How am I a hypocrite?

Please point that out?

 

I have quite clearly stated why i think both the r's and d's in this are.

As well as the posters here who had no problem with this when the republicans attempted it...yet are now crying about it.

 

So please, enlighten me to how I am a hypocrite...this should be good.

In this case one side has done a 180 and the other has stayed it's course. You wish to blame both rather than admit the truth because that would not fit your idealism.

 

I, personally, do not understand the reasoning that a guy who almost commits a crime is equal to one that does, and the question of why the guy did not commit the crime really does not interest me. But I suppose it would interest someone who was grasping at straws.

[Sho Nuff 720]

No shiot. I'm already on record as opposed to it in the second post in the thread. But slonuts wouldn't let somthing simple like facts get in the way.

 

You are on record as opposed to it now.

Where are those who were opposed to it when the Republicans were talking about doing this?

That is the point.

None of you right leaning hacks said a word.

Just as none of you right leaning hacks said a word as the previous administration raised the debt...but now its a big deal because of who is in office.

[Sho Nuff 720]

In this case one side has done a 180 and the other has stayed it's course. You wish to blame both rather than admit the truth because that would not fit your idealism.

 

I, personally, do not understand the reasoning that a guy who almost commits a crime is equal to one that does, and the question of why the guy did not commit the crime really does not interest me. But I suppose it would interest someone who was grasping at straws.

 

Both sides have done a 180.

One side was for this 8 years ago...the other against.

Now, the other side is for it, the other against it.

Same as posters here.

 

Again, you did not answer the question though...you claimed I was a hypocrite...point it out...but you can't.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

 

 

Where are those who were opposed to it when the Republicans were talking about doing this?

 

Who would that be?

[Sho Nuff 720]

Who would that be?

 

I will answer this once...then go back to just not responding to your attempts.

 

This is the point...who? Who here was opposed to this when the republicans wanted to do the same thing?

None of you. Not a word. Same as you did not see phurfur posts every day about the debt when it was a Republican in office.

You are quiet if its something a republican is doing...but do little more than cry if its something from a democrat...even the same focking thing.

 

Hypocrisy at its finest.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

 

I will answer this once...then go back to just not responding to your attempts.

 

This is the point...who? Who here was opposed to this when the republicans wanted to do the same thing?

None of you. Not a word. Same as you did not see phurfur posts every day about the debt when it was a Republican in office.

You are quiet if its something a republican is doing...but do little more than cry if its something from a democrat...even the same focking thing.

 

Hypocrisy at its finest.

Were there any threads about it here? I don't recall.

 

Since they just talked about doing it, and never actually did anything it wasn't much of a story. Feel free to find a thread from 2005 where someone supported the Reps doing this.

 

Until then, STFU with your baseless charges.

 

AS for the debt, I'm on record supporting a balanced budget amendment from the days of Reagan. I don't think we should be running up $1 of debt, so you are wrong on that one......as usual.

[Mike Honcho 5,534]

In this case one side has done a 180 and the other has stayed it's course. You wish to blame both rather than admit the truth because that would not fit your idealism.

 

I, personally, do not understand the reasoning that a guy who almost commits a crime is equal to one that does, and the question of why the guy did not commit the crime really does not interest me. But I suppose it would interest someone who was grasping at straws.

 

Pretty laughable statement. In 2005 the Dems in good faith worked with the GOP to not block nominees and not rewrite rules on the filibuster, then when the GOP moves to the minority they ignore the agreement and block nearly every single nominee.

 

Please go ahead and cling to your objectivity

 

Reid and the Senate Democrats are responding to the dramatic change in circumstances since 2005. While Democrats blocked a handful of nominees who they considered ideologically extreme, Republicans have engaged in an unprecedented effort to obstruct the confirmations of virtually all Obama nominees, including some positions for which they say they will accept no nominee at all.

 

As the Office of the Majority Leader explains, according to the Congressional Research Service, "nearly half of all the filibusters waged on nominations in the history of the United States have been waged by Republicans under President Obama. In the history of the U.S., 168 nominees have been filibustered - with 82 occurring during the Obama administration. In the history of the U.S., 23 district court nominees have been filibustered - with 20 being Obama nominees."

 

This effort has included the blanket filibustering of all nominees for the U.S. D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals, which Republicans now claim does not require a full complement of judges. Republicans have filibustered more than twice as many Obama executive branch nominees as were blocked during the Bush administration.

 

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Blocked nearly every nominee?

 

Dayum, you buy anything Reid tosses out there. At least you qualified it with "nearly", Worms claims the Reps blocked every single nominee.

 

So congrats, you are slightly less hacky than Worms.

 

[Mike Honcho 5,534]

Blocked nearly every nominee?

 

Dayum, you buy anything Reid tosses out there. At least you qualified it with "nearly", Worms claims the Reps blocked every single nominee.

 

So congrats, you are slightly less hacky than Worms.

 

 

We're still miles behind you in all time hackiness. Congrats champ.

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[Sho Nuff 720]

Were there any threads about it here? I don't recall.

 

Since they just talked about doing it, and never actually did anything it wasn't much of a story. Feel free to find a thread from 2005 where someone supported the Reps doing this.

 

Until then, STFU with your baseless charges.

 

AS for the debt, I'm on record supporting a balanced budget amendment from the days of Reagan. I don't think we should be running up $1 of debt, so you are wrong on that one......as usual.

 

So I lied...I may respond again just to show you are proving my point.

Were there any threads about it here? Thats the point...there were none that I recall either. So again, Republicans bring it up...silence. Dems do it and there is outrage.

 

And you claim that it was not much of a story just because it was only talked about. Do you really thing you and the other hacks only complain when something is passed or actually done? Or when its being discussed too. Save your "link" talk...its obvious to all that you all complain about anything whether actually passed or just talked about.

 

Nothing of what I claimed is a baseless charge...its dead on balls accurate.

 

As for the debt and your claims about being for a balanced budget.

Why then...when the debt was brought up by those bashing Bush...did people like you and phurfur and all defend Bush? You were not one that was bashing him for the debt as you do Obama.

Id ask why...but the answer is obvious.

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So you got nothing from 2005....

 

Sad, really.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Thats the point...Ive got nothing...there were no threads about it...no complaining by you all who are complaining now.

You don't seem to understand simple logic chief...thanks for admitting to the republican hacks on this board are hypocrites though.

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TILT!!

 

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