The Iraq war failure

[NewbieJr 541]

 

Why only 2?

What if I feel an independant will make the better president than the 2 main guys?

This past election...only Obama really had a shot...so why vote for one of "2" guys when the other does not have a shot when I can vote for who I felt would make the better president?

I already explained that.

I think that Pittsburgh would have had a good chance to get to the Super Bowl if the had snuck into the playoffs. But laying money on them once they were not one of the 12 teams that qualified, would have been a waste.

 

At some point, you realize who the actual candidates who have a chance are, and you decide who you think would make the better President. Or you can vote for Pee Wee Herman and think you've made a stand and accomplished something. Your choice.

[Sho Nuff 720]

I already explained that.

I think that Pittsburgh would have had a good chance to get to the Super Bowl if the had snuck into the playoffs. But laying money on them once they were not one of the 12 teams that qualified, would have been a waste.

 

At some point, you realize who the actual candidates who have a chance are, and you decide who you think would make the better President. Or you can vote for Pee Wee Herman and think you've made a stand and accomplished something. Your choice.

 

My vote for Johnson accomplished as much as a vote for Romney would have.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

My vote for Johnson accomplished as much as a vote for Romney would have.

Sure. Because they both lost. But many many people (including Romney) went into that election thinking he had a chance to win. No one in the Johnson camp, including Johnson's wife or mother, thought he had a snowball's chance in hell.

[Mike Honcho 5,570]

Couple thing.

 

1. With hindsight being 20/20 the Iraq war was not needed.

 

2. Faulty / incorrect intelligence <> Lying

 

3. Even though I said number one above, let's not pretend the war had no positives. Sadaam was a bad dude, and now we know (better intelligence) the WMD capability of that country.

 

It does when you know the intelligence is faulty, and they did.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Sure. Because they both lost. But many many people (including Romney) went into that election thinking he had a chance to win. No one in the Johnson camp, including Johnson's wife or mother, thought he had a snowball's chance in hell.

 

Romney had very very very little chance of winning.

[drobeski 3,061]

 

Romney had very very very little chance of winning.

election fraud ensures that

[Sho Nuff 720]

election fraud ensures that

 

You keep thinking that and whining about it all you want.

Also...keep calling others hacks...always gives me a laugh.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Chicken Legs thinks his vote made a difference, as if he put Obama over the top.

 

How cute.

 

WINNING!

[drobeski 3,061]

 

You keep thinking that and whining about it all you want.

Also...keep calling others hacks...always gives me a laugh.

so you can keep your insurance and doctor now period ?

frauds, you and your hero

[Sho Nuff 720]

so you can keep your insurance and doctor now period ?

frauds, you and your hero

 

I did keep my insurance and my doctor...yes.

Which has nothing to do with voter fraud....not shocked you tried making such a terrible jump in logic on that one either.

 

My hero?

Never once voted for Obama...nor do I support much of what he stands for...so you are wrong yet again.

[BunnysBastatrds 2,728]

Iraq was a success on many levels. We now have a permanent precsence in the Middle East. We no longer have to ask Saudi permission to fly over their country when all the Arabs throw fifth century hissy fits. Our presence there, hated by most in the Middle East, is a stabalizing factor no one can argue against. If they wanna pound their chests, they don't do it nearly as loud as they did before Iraq. We are there for good and there's nothing they can do about it. We couldn't before Iraq.

[drobeski 3,061]

 

I did keep my insurance and my doctor...yes.

Which has nothing to do with voter fraud....not shocked you tried making such a terrible jump in logic on that one either.

 

My hero?

Never once voted for Obama...nor do I support much of what he stands for...so you are wrong yet again.

then why do you suck the balls of his supporters and ONLY criticize those who dare criticize obama ? you're a hack is really the only logical reason. serious thats all you do, cry when he get criticized no matter how wrong he is.

the voters were lied to, fraud, never mind the tons of real voter fraud that went on....ass clown

[Recliner Pilot 61]

then why do you suck the balls of his supporters and ONLY criticize those who dare criticize obama ? you're a hack is really the only logical reason. serious thats all you do, cry when he get criticized no matter how wrong he is.

the voters were lied to, fraud, never mind the tons of real voter fraud that went on....ass clown

 

He once gave Torridjoe what for. Or so he sez.

[Sho Nuff 720]

then why do you suck the balls of his supporters and ONLY criticize those who dare criticize obama ? you're a hack is really the only logical reason. serious thats all you do, cry when he get criticized no matter how wrong he is.

the voters were lied to, fraud, never mind the tons of real voter fraud that went on....ass clown

 

I don't...but you keep trying.

I criticize the most vocal hacks on the board (which happen to be the righty hacks right now)

But you can keep calling me a hack because I don't whine and cry about Obama constantly on a low traffic fantasy football message board.

 

Glad RP jumped in with a parsed statement out of context now to try and act like he does anything. His obsession continues.

 

Voters are lied to every single focking election...that is not voter fraud .

 

What tons of actual voter fraud?

Please prove that one...instead...you will google and find a few allegations out there from some fringe sight and think you actually did something.

 

And whats great on this board...the righty hacks best thing they can do is call someone and ass clown or dumbass if they don't agree with you.

[drobeski 3,061]

you do

[Phurfur 70]

I already explained that.

I think that Pittsburgh would have had a good chance to get to the Super Bowl if the had snuck into the playoffs. But laying money on them once they were not one of the 12 teams that qualified, would have been a waste.

 

At some point, you realize who the actual candidates who have a chance are, and you decide who you think would make the better President. Or you can vote for Pee Wee Herman and think you've made a stand and accomplished something. Your choice.

 

Holy crap on a cracker you are below a Meat Head. By your rational we should be voting Federalists today and I realize you have no idea what I am talking about.

[MDC 8,225]

Other than the lack of WMDs or relationship with al Qaida and the fact that it cost a trillion dollars, killed or injured tens of thousands of our troops, stretched our military thin and created more terrorists, the Iraq war was a huge success!

[Frank M 181]

I liked the part where they welcomed us with open arms and everything was great after Saddam was toppled.

[drobeski 3,061]

some did, watch the surge frank

[NewbieJr 541]

Holy crap on a cracker you are below a Meat Head. By your rational we should be voting Federalists today and I realize you have no idea what I am talking about.

Keep voting for Pee Wee Herman. Or maybe change it up in 2016. Vote for Mary Tyler Moore. LOL You play absolutely no role in deciding who the president is, and then you spend the next four years whining about him like a little school girl. You may as well stay home on election day and continue watching your Murder She Wrote reruns and listening to Tony Orlando & Dawn.

[Sho Nuff 720]

you do

 

Look at the board.

Where is this volume of lefty posters starting all these political threads...if you can find nearly as many whining about the right like you hacks do the left...you would have a point.

 

But it simply isn't happening here is it?

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Militarily speaking.

That's ludicrous. Sure the initial invasion went very well, but that's completely meaningless if you can't hold the country thereafter.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Couple thing.

 

1. With hindsight being 20/20 the Iraq war was not needed.

 

2. Faulty / incorrect intelligence <> Lying

 

3. Even though I said number one above, let's not pretend the war had no positives. Sadaam was a bad dude, and now we know (better intelligence) the WMD capability of that country.

No hindsight necessary and it was a total lie. C'mon dude, how could you even say that stuff with a straight face? "Faulty intelligence"...even RP doesn't believe that dreck

[Phurfur 70]

Feb. 10, 2010

 

On Larry King Live last night, Vice President Joe Biden said Iraq "could be one of the great achievements of this administration. You're going to see 90,000 American troops come marching home by the end of the summer. You're going to see a stable government in Iraq that is actually moving toward a representative government."

 

The vice president said he’d been to Iraq 17 times and visits the country every three months or so. "I know every one of the major players in all the segments of that society" he said. "It's impressed me."

 

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2010/02/vice-president-biden-iraq-could-be-one-of-the-great-achievements-of-this-administration/

[KSB2424 3,174]

No hindsight necessary and it was a total lie. C'mon dude, how could you even say that stuff with a straight face? "Faulty intelligence"...even RP doesn't believe that dreck

 

Look dude. The U.S. intelligence all throughout the 90's and up until the Iraq War was that Sadaam Hussein had/was getting/has WMD's.

 

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&ved=0CDUQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.snopes.com%2Fpolitics%2Fwar%2Fwmdquotes.asp&ei=FzzLUrv6A6iw7AavgoDwAQ&usg=AFQjCNEAEWqfi0b_7MYjxfnDvtECMxvDSw

 

Much like the right does with Obama now, the left back then turned everything around, twisted words, and made Bush out to be the devil. And 10 years later people like you are confused about history because of this political nonsense. Just because the intelligence was wrong doesn't make the person utilizing that intelligence a liar.

 

People can debate all day about whether we should've gone in, if it was worth it, so on and so forth but this notion that Bush "straight lied" is just B.S. It's politically motivated mularky.

[drobeski 3,061]

where did Syria get their chemical weapons

[IGotWorms 4,063]

 

Look dude. The U.S. intelligence all throughout the 90's and up until the Iraq War was that Sadaam Hussein had/was getting/has WMD's.

 

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&ved=0CDUQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.snopes.com%2Fpolitics%2Fwar%2Fwmdquotes.asp&ei=FzzLUrv6A6iw7AavgoDwAQ&usg=AFQjCNEAEWqfi0b_7MYjxfnDvtECMxvDSw

 

Much like the right does with Obama now, the left back then turned everything around, twisted words, and made Bush out to be the devil. And 10 years later people like you are confused about history because of this political nonsense. Just because the intelligence was wrong doesn't make the person utilizing that intelligence a liar.

 

People can debate all day about whether we should've gone in, if it was worth it, so on and so forth but this notion that Bush "straight lied" is just B.S. It's politically motivated mularky.

Oh come on! That's pure bullsh!t and you know it. The Bush Administration used WMDs as pretext and cooked the intel to move things forward. At most they maaaaybe thought he had a few old tanks of sarin has lying around but that's it. All the talk about "mushroom clouds" and so forth was utter, complete, unequivocal horsesh!t.

 

It's like how Obama said "if you like your insurance you can keep it." I admitted that was a lie even though I support healthcare reform. I could have gone the party line and said "he didn't know that wasn't true when he said it" but that's pure horsesh!t and sometimes you just have to admit it.

[KSB2424 3,174]

Oh come on! That's pure bullsh!t and you know it. The Bush Administration used WMDs as pretext and cooked the intel to move things forward. At most they maaaaybe thought he had a few old tanks of sarin has lying around but that's it. All the talk about "mushroom clouds" and so forth was utter, complete, unequivocal horsesh!t.

 

It's like how Obama said "if you like your insurance you can keep it." I admitted that was a lie even though I support healthcare reform. I could have gone the party line and said "he didn't know that wasn't true when he said it" but that's pure horsesh!t and sometimes you just have to admit it.

 

Did you even look at my link with all the quotes from Democrats regarding WMD's in Iraq? If Bush "straight lied" then Bill Clinton, Albright, Pelosi, Gore and all them straight lied to the American public too.

 

Which is more convievable? All of Washington made up this lie and was in it "together" or the intel was bad and they all were misinformed?

 

Take off your Acorn glasses, put on your logic hat and see if you can figure this out.

 

ETA: Look, I'm not arguing if the Iraq War was a smart move or not, if mistakes were made, yada yada. I'm simply saying that folks who spew the "Bush straight lied!@#!" camp is factually wrong and motivated by political gamesmenship (partisan). And even today that mispresentation lives on with the lemmings.

[KSB2424 3,174]

It's like how Obama said "if you like your insurance you can keep it." I admitted that was a lie even though I support healthcare reform. I could have gone the party line and said "he didn't know that wasn't true when he said it" but that's pure horsesh!t and sometimes you just have to admit it.

This would be a good analogy is Boener, Romney, McCain and all of the GOP was telling folks "if you like your insurance you can keep it" too. Just like Clinton, Albright, Pelosi, Gore were saying the same things Bush did back then.

 

But thats not what happend with the Obamacare quote, so your analogy sucks.

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[NorthernVike 2,113]

That's ludicrous. Sure the initial invasion went very well, but that's completely meaningless if you can't hold the country thereafter.

Occupation and war are two very different things. HTH

 

Occupation is political bullshit which handcuffs a military.

[NorthernVike 2,113]

where did Syria get their chemical weapons

and why aren't we destroying them. Oh, it may reveal that they came from Iraq.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Let's try to educate Worms.......again.

 

Seems the first 20 times I posted this wasn't enough to sink into that block head of his.

 

[drobeski 3,061]

worms exemplifies libturd idiocy

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Bush fooled Clinton, Halfbright et al back in the 90s while he was Governor of Texas.

[drobeski 3,061]

and why aren't we destroying them. Oh, it may reveal that they came from Iraq.

they are destroyed, Obama drew a red line, in sharpie I think or crayon

[Recliner Pilot 61]

they are destroyed, Obama drew a red line, in sharpie I think or crayon

No, the international community drew the red line.........Obama just pussied out when it came time to enforce it.

 

Remember?

[Voltaire 5,538]

It's no coincidence that people who think the Syrians were sent Saddams WMD are also the dumbest mofos in this forum. Syria is Iran's ally and they both hated Saddam. The government of Syria is in a life and death struggle trying to crush the uprising withe their Sunni population (Sunnis are Saddam's group, sh*theads). Stop embarrassing your retarded Bush-colon-sucking-selves with your continued lack of anything that resembles knowledge.

 

Focking assdarts wanting 7000 dead, another 50K wounded Americans, and also $2 Trillion of US taxpayer money borrowed to pay for this mess and only crying now because the numbers aren't still going up.

[drobeski 3,061]

dumb is buying the video story, or the I bumped my head story, thats dumb and sad combined, like dumbsad

[Recliner Pilot 61]

It's no coincidence that people who think the Syrians were sent Saddams WMD are also the dumbest mofos in this forum. Syria is Iran's ally and they both hated Saddam. The government of Syria is in a life and death struggle trying to crush the uprising withe their Sunni population (Sunnis are Saddam's group, sh*theads). Stop embarrassing your retarded Bush-colon-sucking-selves with your continued lack of anything that resembles knowledge.

 

Focking assdarts wanting 7000 dead, another 50K wounded Americans, and also $2 Trillion of US taxpayer money borrowed to pay for this mess and only crying now because the numbers aren't still going up.