Best Public Educational Systems

[BunnysBastatrds 2,598]

Anypne want to take a stab at comparing that list to a list of states by racial makeup, and report any correlations? I'm breathless with anticipation.

Racist biggot piece of sh!t motherfawking white narrow minded dooshbags only ask that question.

[SUXBNME 1,595]

You are still there.

 

 

Tx has 8% of the U.S. population and produces 1/3 of the country's highest paying jobs, fucko. But you keep hitching your wagon to Worms.

The ALLEGED fact is, is that MOST of the people coming to your state for jobs are the lower middle class. (by cool states standards)

Worms made a funny, and i found something to back it up. (to a certain extent). The quotes and links you provided have zero to do with this.

 

Yes....We all know that your economy is booming, and we all know why. You guys are luring companies out of max tax shitholes like CA.

Mebbe if enough companies leave here, the retards in charge might want to re think their excessive taxation.

 

California sucks ass in that area, I know.

What else I know is that the wimmen and the weather here are a bazillion times better than you could ever hope for in your knuckle dragging excuse for a state.

Plus, you guys have more homos per capita than we do...

[SUXBNME 1,595]

It's a tip, people in New England are just smarter.

Get your state deportation notice yet?

[FeelingMN 273]

Anypne want to take a stab at comparing that list to a list of states by racial makeup, and report any correlations? I'm breathless with anticipation.

Here are the median incomes by state from 2009-2011:

http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/income/data/Fam_Inc_SizeofFam1.xls

 

I'm not gonna rank them or anything....but here are the states with an income below $55,000:

 

Alabama

Arkansas

Idaho

Kentucky

Louisiana

Mississippi

New Mexico

Oklahoma

South Carolina

Tennessee

West Virginia

 

It's basically the list of worst school systems.

 

Here's a list of the blackest states in the country:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_African-American_population

 

West Virginia, New Mexico, and Oklahoma don't have a large black population....but they are poor and have lousy schools.

 

Maryland, Virginia, and New Jersey have larger black populations than the above three yet have better schools....because they're richer.

 

As has already been pointed out, kids' performance at school depends a lot on what happens at home. A higher income usually means more enrichment opportunities away from school. It probably also correlates with parent educational attainment....which means parents are exposing their kids to more vocabulary at an early age and are more adept at recognizing/encouraging learning opportunities throughout life.

 

It's more about economic/education factors than race.

[BunnysBastatrds 2,598]

Here are the median incomes by state from 2009-2011:

http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/income/data/Fam_Inc_SizeofFam1.xls

 

I'm not gonna rank them or anything....but here are the states with an income below $55,000:

 

Alabama

Arkansas

Idaho

Kentucky

Louisiana

Mississippi

New Mexico

Oklahoma

South Carolina

Tennessee

West Virginia

 

It's basically the list of worst school systems.

 

Here's a list of the blackest states in the country:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_African-American_population

 

West Virginia, New Mexico, and Oklahoma don't have a large black population....but they are poor and have lousy schools.

 

Maryland, Virginia, and New Jersey have larger black populations than the above three yet have better schools....because they're richer.

 

As has already been pointed out, kids' performance at school depends a lot on what happens at home. A higher income usually means more enrichment opportunities away from school. It probably also correlates with parent educational attainment....which means parents are exposing their kids to more vocabulary at an early age and are more adept at recognizing/encouraging learning opportunities throughout life.

 

It's more about economic/education factors than race.

If you were to rank them county by county you'd see a difference. But that would be racist. There's a difference and you know it. Race plays a factor in everything in today's society. To see it and acknowledge it is politically incorrect. Just ask Bill Cosby.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

I'm not too comfortable having a Grand Dragon as our two-term GOTY

[FeelingMN 273]

The results of the study revealed that children who were living in poverty and whose parents lacked nurturing skills were likely to have less gray and white matter in their brains.

 

The researchers say that white matter is usually linked to the brain's ability to transmit signals between cells and structures, while gray matter is associated with intelligence.

 

The MRI scans also revealed that poor children had two key brain structures that were smaller, compared with wealthier children. These were the amygdala - a structure linked to emotional health - and the hippocampus - an area of the brain linked to memory and learning.

 

Furthermore, it was found that children in poverty were more likely to experience stressful life events, such as moving house or schools, which can have an impact on brain development.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/268066.php

[SUXBNME 1,595]

I'm not too comfortable having a Grand Dragon as our two-term GOTY

While that is funny as all hell (It really is ) Your twice a day clock is obviously more broken than you initially thought, it seems.

[TimmySmith 2,783]

Racist biggot piece of sh!t motherfawking white ###### narrow minded dooshbags only ask that question.

Much better to ignore the question and it's possible causes. Status quo certainly works for wealthy, educated people.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Using median income raw numbers to explain anything is dumb. $50k goes a lot further in Birmingham than it does in Boston.

 

I provided a link earlier that adjusted that with cost of living. Much more realistic number to deal with.

[FeelingMN 273]

Using median income raw numbers to explain anything is dumb. $50k goes a lot further in Birmingham than it does in Boston.

I provided a link earlier that adjusted that with cost of living. Much more realistic number to deal with.

OK.

 

But there still is a correlation between income and the schools on the list.

 

And 50K would go a lot further in bumfock Alabama than in Birmingham. 50K goes a lot further in Roseau than in Minneapolis. Obviously there are differences in cost of living. I think that's less of an issue than communities living in poverty. The really, really poor bring these scores down. You see the same thing within cities.....with inner-city kids scoring well below some of the more affluent communities.

 

Seems like Bunny wants to say communities are poor because they're black. That you're not good in school....because you're black. Obviously there's a strong correlation between race and poverty. I just don't think race is the driving factor in any of it.

[KSB2424 3,173]

 

 

As has already been pointed out, kids' performance at school depends a lot on what happens at home. A higher income usually means more enrichment opportunities away from school. It probably also correlates with parent educational attainment....which means parents are exposing their kids to more vocabulary at an early age and are more adept at recognizing/encouraging learning opportunities throughout life.

It's more about economic/education factors than race.

This is a good answer. However to add, there are a host of other 'reasons'. Things like this are multi-faceted and have prongs and tangents all over the place.

Economic, education of parents, single versus two parent homes (i.e.children out of wedlock and latch key kids), the schools themselves, teacher pay, etc. etc. All are factors.

The number one factor in my opinion though is the parents. Parents that "care" about their kids education, tend to have kids that do better in school than kids whose parents don't care. All the rest is ancillary to that.

[KSB2424 3,173]

Bunny, I think the issue you have with the whole race thing, is probably true in your experience. The problem is that you seem to think that the race somehow is to blame when its not. A black kid who has educated parents who cares about their education will do just as well as any other skin color.

 

The problem, isn't the skin color, thats stupid. The real problem is the "culture" of people within that skin color. Somehow we got to a point in AA culture that its cool to be drug dealer. It's cool to be 'hard'. Somehow getting shot is a badge of honor. Somehow if you are black and try to talk in correct english and care about school you are looked down upon maybe as an Uncle Tom. That its okay to have multiple babies with multiple baby daddy's. Thats the culture that needs changing, and it can only come from within.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

The problem, isn't the skin color, thats stupid. The real problem is the "culture" of people within that skin color. Somehow we got to a point in AA culture that its cool to be drug dealer. It's cool to be 'hard'. Somehow getting shot is a badge of honor. Somehow if you are black and try to talk in correct english and care about school you are looked down upon maybe as an Uncle Tom. That its okay to have multiple babies with multiple baby daddy's. Thats the culture that needs changing, and it can only come from within.

This line of thinking is racist too, although not as racist as Bunny's. There are plenty of blacks who DO NOT think it's OK to deal drugs or get shot. You paint with too broad of a brush.

 

Why can't we just say things like "parents' involvement in education is important" and "cultural values regarding education are important" without saying that an entire race of people are deficient in those areas?

[FeelingMN 273]

This is a good answer. However to add, there are a host of other 'reasons'. Things like this are multi-faceted and have prongs and tangents all over the place.

Economic, education of parents, single versus two parent homes (i.e.children out of wedlock and latch key kids), the schools themselves, teacher pay, etc. etc. All are factors.

The number one factor in my opinion though is the parents. Parents that "care" about their kids education, tend to have kids that do better in school than kids whose parents don't care. All the rest is ancillary to that.

Absolutely. It's a very complex dynamic and I think it's pretty simplistic to say X causes Y. There are a variety of factors at play.

 

I do agree that the home is essential in helping children learn and mature. Parents who care enough to be actively engaged in their child's development are doing a lot to help that kid succeed later in life. I do think that interaction has to be nurturing as well as stimulating in nature. A single mom who pushes her kid to do well in school probably cares about education, but some ways of showing you care are better than others. If you simply nag about getting good grades and what not.....probably not very effective. But if you talk with your kids about what they're learning.....ask questions....stimulate them.....I think that's a better approach.

[FeelingMN 273]

This line of thinking is racist too, although not as racist as Bunny's. There are plenty of blacks who DO NOT think it's OK to deal drugs or get shot. You paint with too broad of a brush.

Why can't we just say things like "parents' involvement in education is important" and "cultural values regarding education are important" without saying that an entire race of people are deficient in those areas?

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Wait.......what?????

 

I thought quality education depended on how much money is spent.

 

Now it depends on parent involvement and cultural values. Last time I checked those don't cost a dime.

 

Weird.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Wait.......what?????

 

I thought quality education depended on how much money is spent.

 

Now it depends on parent involvement and cultural values. Last time I checked those don't cost a dime.

 

Weird.

As with most things in life, it's complicated. There are money factors, one of which is the level of funding. And that's the factor most easily controlled by the state.

 

You don't really dispute this, right? You agree that at some point finding would be an issue, I'm sure. Say the kids had no computers, no textbooks, were sent to a falling-down building, and the teacher/pupil ratio was 300:1. You'd agree then that funding was inadequate, wouldn't you?

 

So the question is how much funding is necessary, not whether it plays any role at all.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

As with median income, money goes much further in some states than in others.

So saying that they spend $10k per kid in Boston and $8k per kid inBirmingham really doesn't tell you much.

[FeelingMN 273]

Here's a list of the states with the most college graduates:

 

1 Massachusetts 38.2%

2 Colorado 35.9%

3 Maryland 35.7%

4 Connecticut 35.6%

5 New Jersey 34.5%

6 Virginia 34.0%

7 Vermont 33.1%

8 New York 32.4%

9 New Hampshire 32.0%

10 Minnesota 31.5%

11 Washington 31.0%

12 Illinois 30.6%

13 Rhode Island 30.5%

14 California 29.9%

15 Hawaii 29.6%

16 Kansas 29.5%

17 Oregon 29.2%

18 Delaware 28.7%

19 Utah 28.5%

20 Georgia 27.5%

21 Montana 27.4%

22 Nebraska 27.4%

23 Maine 26.9%

24 Alaska 26.6%

25 North Carolina 26.5%

26 Pennsylvania 26.4%

27 North Dakota 25.8%

28 Wisconsin 25.7%

29 Arizona 25.6%

30 Texas 25.5%

31 Florida 25.3%

32 New Mexico 25.3%

33 Missouri 25.2%

34 Iowa 25.1%

35 South Dakota 25.1%

36 Michigan 24.6%

37 South Carolina 24.3%

38 Ohio 24.1%

39 Idaho 23.9%

40 Wyoming 23.8%

41 Tennessee 23.0%

42 Oklahoma 22.7%

43 Indiana 22.5%

44 Alabama 22.0%

45 Nevada 21.8%

46 Louisiana 21.4%

47 Kentucky 21.0%

48 Mississippi 19.6%

49 Arkansas 18.9%

50 West Virginia 17.3%

 

And with graduate degrees:

 

Rank State % Advanced Degree

United States 10.3%

District of Columbia 28.0%

1 Massachusetts 16.4%

2 Maryland 16.0%

3 Connecticut 15.5%

4 Virginia 14.1%

5 New York 14.0%

6 Vermont 13.3%

7 New Jersey 12.9%

8 Colorado 12.7%

9 Illinois 11.7%

10 Rhode Island 11.7%

11 Delaware 11.4%

12 New Hampshire 11.2%

13 Washington 11.1%

14 California 10.7%

15 New Mexico 10.4%

16 Oregon 10.4%

17 Minnesota 10.3%

18 Kansas 10.2%

19 Pennsylvania 10.2%

20 Georgia 9.9%

21 Hawaii 9.9%

22 Maine 9.6%

23 Missouri 9.5%

24 Michigan 9.4%

25 Arizona 9.3%

26 Utah 9.1%

27 Alaska 9.0%

28 Florida 9.0%

29 Nebraska 8.8%

30 North Carolina 8.8%

31 Ohio 8.8%

32 Kentucky 8.5%

33 Texas 8.5%

34 South Carolina 8.4%

35 Wisconsin 8.4%

36 Montana 8.3%

37 Indiana 8.1%

38 Tennessee 7.9%

39 Wyoming 7.9%

40 Alabama 7.7%

41 Nevada 7.6%

42 Idaho 7.5%

43 Iowa 7.4%

44 Oklahoma 7.4%

45 South Dakota 7.3%

46 Mississippi 7.1%

47 Louisiana 6.9%

48 North Dakota 6.7%

49 West Virginia 6.7%

50 Arkansas 6.1%

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_educational_attainment

 

 

Same states with good school systems are near the top and the states with bad schools near the bottom.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Those rankings include just kids who went to public schools, or does it include kids who went to private schools as well?

[MDC 7,887]

Here's a list of the states with the most college graduates:

 

1 Massachusetts 38.2%

2 Colorado 35.9%

3 Maryland 35.7%

4 Connecticut 35.6%

5 New Jersey 34.5%

6 Virginia 34.0%

7 Vermont 33.1%

8 New York 32.4%

9 New Hampshire 32.0%

10 Minnesota 31.5%

11 Washington 31.0%

12 Illinois 30.6%

13 Rhode Island 30.5%

14 California 29.9%

15 Hawaii 29.6%

16 Kansas 29.5%

17 Oregon 29.2%

18 Delaware 28.7%

19 Utah 28.5%

20 Georgia 27.5%

21 Montana 27.4%

22 Nebraska 27.4%

23 Maine 26.9%

24 Alaska 26.6%

25 North Carolina 26.5%

26 Pennsylvania 26.4%

27 North Dakota 25.8%

28 Wisconsin 25.7%

29 Arizona 25.6%

30 Texas 25.5%

31 Florida 25.3%

32 New Mexico 25.3%

33 Missouri 25.2%

34 Iowa 25.1%

35 South Dakota 25.1%

36 Michigan 24.6%

37 South Carolina 24.3%

38 Ohio 24.1%

39 Idaho 23.9%

40 Wyoming 23.8%

41 Tennessee 23.0%

42 Oklahoma 22.7%

43 Indiana 22.5%

44 Alabama 22.0%

45 Nevada 21.8%

46 Louisiana 21.4%

47 Kentucky 21.0%

48 Mississippi 19.6%

49 Arkansas 18.9%

50 West Virginia 17.3%

 

And with graduate degrees:

 

Rank State % Advanced Degree

United States 10.3%

District of Columbia 28.0%

1 Massachusetts 16.4%

2 Maryland 16.0%

3 Connecticut 15.5%

4 Virginia 14.1%

5 New York 14.0%

6 Vermont 13.3%

7 New Jersey 12.9%

8 Colorado 12.7%

9 Illinois 11.7%

10 Rhode Island 11.7%

11 Delaware 11.4%

12 New Hampshire 11.2%

13 Washington 11.1%

14 California 10.7%

15 New Mexico 10.4%

16 Oregon 10.4%

17 Minnesota 10.3%

18 Kansas 10.2%

19 Pennsylvania 10.2%

20 Georgia 9.9%

21 Hawaii 9.9%

22 Maine 9.6%

23 Missouri 9.5%

24 Michigan 9.4%

25 Arizona 9.3%

26 Utah 9.1%

27 Alaska 9.0%

28 Florida 9.0%

29 Nebraska 8.8%

30 North Carolina 8.8%

31 Ohio 8.8%

32 Kentucky 8.5%

33 Texas 8.5%

34 South Carolina 8.4%

35 Wisconsin 8.4%

36 Montana 8.3%

37 Indiana 8.1%

38 Tennessee 7.9%

39 Wyoming 7.9%

40 Alabama 7.7%

41 Nevada 7.6%

42 Idaho 7.5%

43 Iowa 7.4%

44 Oklahoma 7.4%

45 South Dakota 7.3%

46 Mississippi 7.1%

47 Louisiana 6.9%

48 North Dakota 6.7%

49 West Virginia 6.7%

50 Arkansas 6.1%

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_educational_attainment

 

 

Same states with good school systems are near the top and the states with bad schools near the bottom.

Red states = poorer, dumber and less educated. News that will surprise exactly no one. Well, nobody who lives in an educated state.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Red states = poorer, dumber and less educated. News that will surprise exactly no one. Well, nobody who lives in an educated state.

Does that list include kids born at 8lbs or more or are we only taking preemies and so forth?

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Does that list include kids born at 8lbs or more?

Why you have to bring MDC's kid's head into the discussion?

[IGotWorms 4,063]

And are these kids who were breastfed to one year or kids weened off earlier? Clearly this is an important distinction you guys may be overlooking

[drobeski 3,061]

the majority of geek members prove how meaningless college is, seem all most of you got was a life long crush and dedication to your pony tailed subaru driving smelly communist professors who indoctrinated you clowns into stupidity.

 

 

This public service announcement has been brought to you by the cold hard truth.

[Sho Nuff 720]

This line of thinking is racist too, although not as racist as Bunny's. There are plenty of blacks who DO NOT think it's OK to deal drugs or get shot. You paint with too broad of a brush.

 

Why can't we just say things like "parents' involvement in education is important" and "cultural values regarding education are important" without saying that an entire race of people are deficient in those areas?

 

Not racist as much as it is stereotypical...two words which are not the exact same but get thrown around a lot.

And I don't think he was saying an entire race of people are deficient or feel as he is...he is saying there is a culture there for many.

[KSB2424 3,173]

This line of thinking is racist too, although not as racist as Bunny's. There are plenty of blacks who DO NOT think it's OK to deal drugs or get shot. You paint with too broad of a brush.

 

Why can't we just say things like "parents' involvement in education is important" and "cultural values regarding education are important" without saying that an entire race of people are deficient in those areas?

See this is the problem though worms. We as a nation cannot have this discussion because a person like you will come along and call it racist. It should be inferred I was not talking about every single AA, rather a culture within the subset. A rather large subset nonetheless.

 

But instead of trying to look within, or actually admit the evident truths of what I said people will try to focus on 'how" it was said. And we will argue what's racist and what's not all the while nothing truely changes and the same cyclical crap keeps going on, but who cares right? As long as we preface the dialog a certain way or sugar coat the truths so people feel good about it.

[TimmySmith 2,783]

See this is the problem though worms. We as a nation cannot have this discussion because a person like you will come along and call it racist. It should be inferred I was not talking about every single AA, rather a culture within the subset. A rather large subset nonetheless.

 

But instead of trying to look within, or actually admit the evident truths of what I said people will try to focus on 'how" it was said. And we will argue what's racist and what's not all the while nothing truely changes and the same cyclical crap keeps going on, but who cares right? As long as we preface the dialog a certain way or sugar coat the truths so people feel good about it.

Why bother. Worms is among a set that feels that discussing race and education is dangerously close to discussing race and intelligence. Can't do it.

[FeelingMN 273]

Those rankings include just kids who went to public schools, or does it include kids who went to private schools as well?

I assume both.

[TD Ryan2 316]

.The problem, isn't the skin color, thats stupid. The real problem is the "culture" of people within that skin color.

came here to post exactly this. The inverse example being that Asians and Indians (dot) are not smarter than white Americans b/c of skin color, it's because of their culture.

 

We could then debate what "smarter" means, Asians and Indians (dot) are not as creative,, but the fact is that Asians and Indians (dot) achieve higher results in the current education model used in the US.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

I assume both.

So, without knowing the % of those getting degrees that came from private vs public schools your list is kinda useless.......much like your raw data median income list.

 

We also don't know the breakdown of the graduates for in state vs out of state students.

This is one of those nuanced situations Worms has so much trouble with.

 

[FeelingMN 273]

See this is the problem though worms. We as a nation cannot have this discussion because a person like you will come along and call it racist. It should be inferred I was not talking about every single AA, rather a culture within the subset. A rather large subset nonetheless.

But instead of trying to look within, or actually admit the evident truths of what I said people will try to focus on 'how" it was said. And we will argue what's racist and what's not all the while nothing truely changes and the same cyclical crap keeps going on, but who cares right? As long as we preface the dialog a certain way or sugar coat the truths so people feel good about it.

So "we" have gotten to a point in AA culture.....we? :sweater_vest:

 

Not that I'm tight with any subset of any minority culture, but it sounds like you're describing a thug/gang mentality. There are Mexicans who display the same attitudes. Asians....whites.

 

Like you said man....the problem isn't skin color. It's the culture within skin color.

 

It's not a black thing or white thing or whatever. It's just ignorance.

[TD Ryan2 316]

Like you said man....the problem isn't skin color. It's the culture within skin color.

 

It's not a black thing or white thing or whatever. It's just ignorance.

and that culture is exacerbated by a lack of wealth.

 

wealth, culture, education - they go hand in hand.

[MDC 7,887]

Why you have to bring MDC's kid's head into the discussion?

RMFF!

[FeelingMN 273]

So, without knowing the % of those getting degrees that came from private vs public schools your list is kinda useless.......much like your raw data median income list.

We also don't know the breakdown of the graduates for in state vs out of state students.

This is one of those nuanced situations Worms has so much trouble with.

Ok.

 

All we know is that there is a correlation between states with a lot of college graduates, higher median income, and better school systems.

 

And it doesn't appear colleges favor students from private over public schools.

 

 

No matter what you may hear through the grapevine, colleges don't care if you've attended a private or public high school. Admission officers like diversity, so that means admitting students from all sorts of backgrounds.

 

http://www.collegeconfidential.com/dean/archives/000102.htm

 

All that matters is that the student is bright enough to attend college....not where they attended high school.

 

 

Rank State % H.S. Graduate

50. Texas. 79.9

[FeelingMN 273]

So, without knowing the % of those getting degrees that came from private vs public schools your list is kinda useless.......much like your raw data median income list.

We also don't know the breakdown of the graduates for in state vs out of state students.

This is one of those nuanced situations Worms has so much trouble with.

What the fock does it matter what state they're from?

 

I got my degree from Indiana. I live in Minnesota. My kids will attend Minnesota schools and will be tested. Those results will be used to compile future rankings along with the relevant data....income....college degree.

 

It doesn't matter where I went to school. My kids are going to profit by not being raised by dumbasses. Can't say the same for everyone though.

 

Rank State % H.S. Graduate

50. Texas. 79.9

 

[Recliner Pilot 61]

http://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/new-state-state-college-attainment-numbers-show-progress-toward-2020-goal

Ok.

All we know is that there is a correlation between states with a lot of college graduates, higher median income, and better school systems.

:

SO, having a lot of college graduates indicates better school systems?

 

Cool.

 

Texas consistantly ranks #3 nationally in the number of college graduates each year.

 

 

 

 

 

[Recliner Pilot 61]

http://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/new-state-state-college-attainment-numbers-show-progress-toward-2020-goal

[MDC 7,887]

Rank State % H.S. Graduate

50. Texas. 79.9

 

I'm surprised when any state is worse than Texas in anything.