Best Public Educational Systems

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1. Massachusetts

4. New Hampshire

5. Vermont

 

Three of the top five - New England.

 

 

http://247wallst.com/special-report/2014/01/14/states-with-the-best-and-worst-schools-2/3/

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All of the Top 5 are blue states. 8 of te 10 worst are red states. Stunner.

[MTSkiBum 1,626]

All of the Top 5 are blue states. 8 of te 10 worst are red states. Stunner.

 

The worst states are all very poor as well. I think the rankings have more to do with wealth than political leaning.

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The worst states are all very poor as well. I think the rankings have more to do with wealth than political leaning.

NH is libertarian and almost all education funding is locally controlled. Education is decentralized and the State doesn't even have a teacher evaluation model in place, yet students continue to score proficient and above all standardized testing.

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are they faking the scores like Atlanta ?

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The worst states are all very poor as well. I think the rankings have more to do with wealth than political leaning.

Red states are poor and dumb, never would've guessed.

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NH is libertarian and almost all education funding is locally controlled. Education is decentralized and the State doesn't even have a teacher evaluation model in place, yet students continue to score proficient and above all standardized testing.

1. That's because, like alluded to above, those localities are not poor. I also would wager a days pay the single parent household per capita is below average. What I'm getting at as education starts at home. I don't care how 'nice' the schools are, and how many computers they have, if the kids don't want to learn and they are not held accountable at home it doesn't matter.

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1. That's because, like alluded to above, those localities are not poor. I also would wager a days pay the single parent household per capita is below average. What I'm getting at as education starts at home. I don't care how 'nice' the schools are, and how many computers they have, if the kids don't want to learn and they are not held accountable at home it doesn't matter.

 

 

Most of what you assume in here is probably accurate however over half of the localities are considered poor. Education funding in the State of NH is through local property taxation. The tax rates are set, in most municipalities, through the SB2 model - public hearing on the school budget in January, a deliberative hearing where it can be amended by the voters to finalize it in February, and a Town Meeting vote on it in March. If the proposed budget is voted down, it goes to the default budget from the previous fiscal year.

 

Towns north of Plymouth (central NH) have lost most of their manufacturing jobs over the past ten years. Because there is no state income or sales tax, the property tax rates have really skyrocketed.

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Red states are poor and dumb, never would've guessed.

 

You have it backwards. Poor and dumb states are red.

[BunnysBastatrds 2,597]

Red states are poor and dumb, never would've guessed.

 

 

They aren't as white as blue states either. Go figure.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

The worst states are all very poor as well. I think the rankings have more to do with wealth than political leaning.

One way to lift a population out of poverty is to invest in education.

[drobeski 3,061]

One way to lift a population out of poverty is to invest in education.

how's that working ?

[IGotWorms 4,063]

how's that working ?

Well we don't know how it would work in most red states, since they don't try it.

 

If you have a better educated populace it's easier to attract employers who will provide good jobs. It's a simple marketplace principle, really, but alas it is lost on Republican governors and state legislatures.

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If you have a better educated populace it's easier to attract employers who will provide good jobs. It's a simple marketplace principle, really, but alas it is lost on Republican governors and state legislatures.

 

 

Must be why all those corporations are leaving lib states like NY, Cali, and Mass and moving to Texas and Florida.

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Must be why all those corporations are leaving lib states like NY, Cali, and Mass and moving to Texas and Florida.

Notice I said good jobs. Not crappy low-skill jobs that even a Texas moron could do.

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Notice I said good jobs. Not crappy low-skill jobs that even a Texas moron could do.

It's always entertaining to watch you expose your ignorance. The Austin area is turning into silicon valley.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

It's always entertaining to watch you expose your ignorance. The Austin area is turning into silicon valley.

Interesting that you chose the only liberal town in Texas as your example.

[SUXBNME 1,594]

It's always entertaining to watch you expose your ignorance. The Austin area is turning into silicon valley.

Worms may be correct on this one.

 

Trulia‘s Chief Economist discusses why neither jobs nor rich people are fleeingCalifornia. Instead, it’s the middle class and the poor. This exodus slowed down during the recession, but now that home prices are rising again, more people will leave the state.

A constant debate in California politics is whether jobs and people are leaving the state. This week, in fact, Texas Governor Rick Perry is in California, trying to lure businesses to his state. He won’t have much luck becausejobs rarely move: in a typical year, just 25,000 jobs move out of California, and 16,000 jobs move in, out of an economy of 18 million jobs. In contrast, hundreds of thousands of people move in and out of California each year. Who are they, and why do they move?

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/trulia/2013/02/12/jobs-arent-leaving-california-for-texas-but-people-are/

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Worms may be correct on this one.

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/trulia/2013/02/12/jobs-arent-leaving-california-for-texas-but-people-are/

 

One example of many I can bring.

 

http://www.kcra.com/news/texas-is-beating-california-in-the-battle-over-jobs/-/11797728/20228936/-/566wpw/-/index.html

 

Don't worry Sux, we will let you know if we need someone trained in how to rotate lug nuts.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Worms may be correct on this one.

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/trulia/2013/02/12/jobs-arent-leaving-california-for-texas-but-people-are/

Even a broken clock...

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Notice I said good jobs. Not crappy low-skill jobs that even a Texas moron could do.

 

 

 

 

 

Must be why all those corporations are leaving lib states like NY, Cali, and Mass and moving to Texas and Florida.

 

 

 

Texas is top 10 in education spending per capita. This is a probable reason Texas has had very strong job growth in good paying jobs.

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One example of many I can bring.

 

http://www.kcra.com/news/texas-is-beating-california-in-the-battle-over-jobs/-/11797728/20228936/-/566wpw/-/index.html

 

Don't worry Sux, we will let you know if we need someone trained in how to rotate lug nuts.

I tend to trust forbes figures versus one of our local tv newscasts opinion pieces. hth

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Well we don't know how it would work in most red states, since they don't try it.

 

If you have a better educated populace it's easier to attract employers who will provide good jobs. It's a simple marketplace principle, really, but alas it is lost on Republican governors and state legislatures.

 

 

Bullsh!t. Louisiana dumps sh!tloads of money into the educational syatem and ranks well at the bottom. Why? Go to predominetly white parishes and they score average to high. Go to predominately black parishes and they score low to average. They are given the same amount of money and resources. Why is that? Parents. Not money.

 

Stop with the tired bullsh!t excuse that we don't spend enough. We spend to much for the lack of results we get.

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In the past 12 months, Texas has added 274,700 new jobs — that’s 12% of all jobs added nationwide and 51,000 more than California added … In fact, from 2002 to 2011, with 8% of the U.S. population, Texas created nearly one-third of the country’s highest-paying jobs.

 

 

 

 

The website MoneyRates ranks states on the basis of average income, adjusting for tax rates and cost of living; once those factors are accounted for, Texas has the third highest average income (after Virginia and Washington State), while New York ranks 36th.

 

 

 

Texas is America’s fastest-growing large state, with three of the top five fastest-growing cities in the country: Austin, Dallas and Houston. In 2012 alone, total migration to Texas from the other 49 states in the Union was 106,000, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. Since 2000, 1 million more people have moved to Texas from other states than have left … Over the past 20 years, more than 4 million Californians have moved to Texas.

 

http://ideas.time.com/2013/10/17/10-reasons-texas-is-our-future/

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I tend to trust forbes figures versus one of our local tv newscasts opinion pieces. hth

How about that right-wing rag, Time?

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Even a broken clock...

....is right two times more per day than you are.

[DankNuggs 305]

Well we don't know how it would work in most red states, since they don't try it.

 

If you have a better educated populace it's easier to attract employers who will provide good jobs. It's a simple marketplace principle, really, but alas it is lost on Republican governors and state legislatures.

You have it backwards.... Good commerce begets good jobs which begets stable and well funded public services such as education

[IGotWorms 4,063]

You have it backwards.... Good commerce begets good jobs which begets stable and well funded public services such as education

The two are intertwined for sure. I think they're more of a partnership though then one driving the other. It's true you need a good tax base to fund a good education system but you're never going to get that good tax base if you're turning out uneducated citizens.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

 

 

Bullsh!t. Louisiana dumps sh!tloads of money into the educational syatem and ranks well at the bottom. Why? Go to predominetly white parishes and they score average to high. Go to predominately black parishes and they score low to average. They are given the same amount of money and resources. Why is that? Parents. Not money.

 

Stop with the tired bullsh!t excuse that we don't spend enough. We spend to much for the lack of results we get.

*Sigh*

 

I like you Bunny, but you are one racist motherfocker.

 

Many of the states ranked well in this survey have huge urban populations and yet they've managed to put together a good education system overall. The northeast states are doing well despite those large northeast urban populations.

 

Conversely some of the more poorly-ranked states are pretty damn white. Take Alaska for example--not too many blacks up there and I can tell you that from personal experience.

 

I know you're going to hate this, but could we be seeing the vestiges of slavery here? Northern states with black populations doing well, southern states with black populations not doing well. Hmm...

 

 

P.S. Louisiana is middle of the road in education spending. It's honestly better than I thought it would be but I wouldn't really characterize it as "spending sh!tloads of money" on education.

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The two are intertwined for sure. I think they're more of a partnership though then one driving the other. It's true you need a good tax base to fund a good education system but you're never going to get that good tax base if you're turning out uneducated citizens.

things snowball upwards or downwards... a good education system keeps producing good workers for good jobs for good companies that produce more good jobs for good workers that fund good school systems... lol

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http://ideas.time.com/2013/10/17/10-reasons-texas-is-our-future/

What I am agreeing with Worms on is the fact that you guys are getting all of our poor, dumb people to come to your craptastic state, fucko.

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What I am agreeing with Worms on is the fact that you guys are getting all of our poor, dumb people to come to your craptastic state, fucko.

You are still there.

 

 

Tx has 8% of the U.S. population and produces 1/3 of the country's highest paying jobs, fucko. But you keep hitching your wagon to Worms.

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*Sigh*

 

I like you Bunny, but you are one racist motherfocker.

 

Many of the states ranked well in this survey have huge urban populations and yet they've managed to put together a good education system overall. The northeast states are doing well despite those large northeast urban populations.

 

Conversely some of the more poorly-ranked states are pretty damn white. Take Alaska for example--not too many blacks up there and I can tell you that from personal experience.

 

I know you're going to hate this, but could we be seeing the vestiges of slavery here? Northern states with black populations doing well, southern states with black populations not doing well. Hmm...

 

 

P.S. Louisiana is middle of the road in education spending. It's honestly better than I thought it would be but I wouldn't really characterize it as "spending sh!tloads of money" on education.

 

 

How is stating a fact racist? Because the truth doesn't sit well with some? Tough sh!t. It's time to stop with the excuses and fix the fawking problem. Which I blame the parents, mostly,

 

Orleans parish public schools are some of the worst in the nation. The school system is so bad that the state had to take it over. It's students are 91% black. The majority cannot pass standardized tests. Why? Instead realizing we have a problem and identifying it, you would rather call me a racist for pointing out the facts. Sigh!

 

After Katrina I had friends who evacuated to Atlanta. They were Orleans Parish public school kids. One of his kids was dropped from 6th grade to 4th grade. He thought his kids were doing great. Was it racist for the Atlanta school system to drop his kid two grades?

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How is stating a fact racist? Because the truth doesn't sit well with some? Tough sh!t. It's time to stop with the excuses and fix the fawking problem. Which I blame the parents, mostly,

 

Orleans parish public schools are some of the worst in the nation. The school system is so bad that the state had to take it over. It's students are 91% black. The majority cannot pass standardized tests. Why? Instead realizing we have a problem and identifying it, you would rather call me a racist for pointing out the facts. Sigh!

 

After Katrina I had friends who evacuated to Atlanta. They were Orleans Parish public school kids. One of his kids was dropped from 6th grade to 4th grade. He thought his kids were doing great. Was it racist for the Atlanta school system to drop his kid two grades?

Yes you are, lets lower the standards and pat ourselves on the back for everyone getting better grades...

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Yes you are, lets lower the standards and pat ourselves on the back for everyone getting better grades...

 

 

There's a college here, Xavier, that is a black college. It's known for it's pharmacy program. Four percent of those that enroll go on to get a bachelors degree. Four out of every hundred. Guess where the majority went to high school? Orleans Parish. Bobby Jindal wants to combine Xavier with two other colleges. The colleges are taking up a lot of resources and combining the schools would benefit evryone involved. Xavier is now calling anyone who agrees with Jindal/s and the State's conclusion, racists. That'll fix the problem. Take that white person trying to evaluate and fix the problem.

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How is stating a fact racist? Because the truth doesn't sit well with some? Tough sh!t. It's time to stop with the excuses and fix the fawking problem. Which I blame the parents, mostly,

 

Orleans parish public schools are some of the worst in the nation. The school system is so bad that the state had to take it over. It's students are 91% black. The majority cannot pass standardized tests. Why? Instead realizing we have a problem and identifying it, you would rather call me a racist for pointing out the facts. Sigh!

 

After Katrina I had friends who evacuated to Atlanta. They were Orleans Parish public school kids. One of his kids was dropped from 6th grade to 4th grade. He thought his kids were doing great. Was it racist for the Atlanta school system to drop his kid two grades?

I agree that parenting is very important to a child's educational success. There's no need to bring race into it though as that's true across all races. And like I said, some places with a lot of blacks do just fine so your extremely simplistic views on blacks and education is severely misguided.

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There's a college here, Xavier, that is a black college. It's known for it's pharmacy program. Four percent of those that enroll go on to get a bachelors degree. Four out of every hundred. Guess where the majority went to high school? Orleans Parish. Bobby Jindal wants to combine Xavier with two other colleges. The colleges are taking up a lot of resources and combining the schools would benefit evryone involved. Xavier is now calling anyone who agrees with Jindal/s and the State's conclusion, racists. That'll fix the problem. Take that white person trying to evaluate and fix the problem.

 

If we look at the colleges and universities that produced the most Black graduates of medical schools, Xavier University is by far the leader of the pack. Some 60 graduates of Xavier University earned their medical degrees in 2011. This was almost double the number of medical school graduates from Howard University, which ranked second nationally. In 2011, 32 Howard graduates earned medical degrees. The University of Florida, Harvard University, Duke University, and Stanford University all had 20 graduates who earned medical degrees in 2011.

 

http://www.jbhe.com/2013/03/the-top-feeder-schools-for-black-medical-students/

 

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Anypne want to take a stab at comparing that list to a list of states by racial makeup, and report any correlations? I'm breathless with anticipation.

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Anypne want to take a stab at comparing that list to a list of states by racial makeup, and report any correlations? I'm breathless with anticipation.

Whaddya' gettin' at? Massachusetts has the most Asians?

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It's a tip, people in New England are just smarter.