For those of you who support a woman's right to choose

[penultimatestraw 473]

My links have all kinds of citations to the information they used. Feel free to look for whatever floats your boat.

Well, if you get the time to sift through all that info, I'll analyze the primary data.

 

As far as problems surfacing a decade or more after the fact, why do you assume they have anything to do with the abortion, as opposed to the decade+ of other activities before the problem(s) reared their ugly head(s)?

[Googballz 39]

Well, if you get the time to sift through all that info, I'll analyze the primary data.

 

You can do your own sifting.

 

I'm not spending any time trying to convince you of anything. You are a pompous blowhard who thinks you are an expert on everything simply because you have an MD after your name.

[drobeski 3,061]

 

Neither was I, I to was using my common sense to discuss what all this flawed and inconsistent data meant before you intervened. You simply didn't like my "possibilities" as it didn't meet your worldview, so you disparaged it and made your own.

 

 

 

Goose meet Gander.

pow

[penultimatestraw 473]

 

Neither was I, I to was using my common sense to discuss what all this flawed and inconsistent data meant before you intervened.

 

 

Goose meet Gander.

No, you said you use common sense as a tiebreaker when conflicting data exists. I prefer to scrutinize the studies and use the best data. Or favor the opinion of someone with a scientific approach that does the same.

 

I don't really care about the distinction between first and subsequent abortions and mental health, but was responding to Dank's incredulity with the possibility that they could be different. In that context I wasn't commenting on any data, good or bad.

[NewbieJr 541]

It's funny watching a guy with limited intelligence try to debate a doctor.

 

Google Pilot's pulling out all the stops. "You're a pompous blowhard"!! LOLOL .

 

A real doctor vs Googie Howser. Beat down of epic proportions. Talk about out of your league, RP.

[jerryskids 7,085]

It is obvious you are trained as an engineer, because you are uncomfortable with data which doesn't yield exact, immutable results. Unfortunately, much of medical and behavioral health data has limitations, including numerous confounding variables, which any good study should mention.

 

The APA is admitting the data are less than perfect, but using the best information we have they conclude mental health problems are not increased in women following their first abortion. If you disagree, you should do so based on better data, or accept that we just don't know one way or the other. Your personal opinion has no bearing on what the actual relationship may be.

While that is true, I also hate crappy conclusions in general. The placement of that "no good studies exist" statement is odd. I guess they used the best of the inadequate studies to draw their conclusion?

 

I readily admit that I question the results because it doesn't pass my common sense filter. I'm not saying that every woman who has an abortion goes crazy. But no psychological impact? Really?

[Googballz 39]

It's funny watching a guy with limited intelligence try to debate a doctor.

 

Google Pilot's pulling out all the stops. "You're a pompous blowhard"!! LOLOL .

 

A real doctor vs Googie Howser. Beat down of epic proportions. Talk about out of your league, RP.

Doc has offered nothing but his opinion and a whole lot of what ifs.

 

It's funny watching you try to ride those very short coat tails, Sport.

[jerryskids 7,085]

It's funny watching a guy with limited intelligence try to debate a doctor.

 

Google Pilot's pulling out all the stops. "You're a pompous blowhard"!! LOLOL .

 

A real doctor vs Googie Howser. Beat down of epic proportions. Talk about out of your league, RP.

Googie Howser is good.

[OldMaid 2,135]

Googie Howser is good.

 

I was thinking LazyBoyBallz or LazyBallz for short, but Googie Howser is better.

[NewbieJr 541]

Doc has offered nothing but his opinion and a whole lot of what ifs.

 

It's funny watching you try to ride those very short coat tails, Sport.

Be honest. Do you feel you've ever lost an argument here?

[MDC 7,887]

"If you spend the next 4 hours tracking down the references my biased source misleadingly cites, I will reward your efforts by playing semantic games and otherwise dodging the point."

 

Does anybody fall for this schtick?

[Googballz 39]

"If you spend the next 4 hours tracking down the references my biased source misleadingly cites, I will reward your efforts by playing semantic games and otherwise dodging the point."

 

Does anybody fall for this schtick?

The guy wants me to do his homework and you have a problem with me saying no, you are free to do your own homework?

[NewbieJr 541]

The guy wants me to do his homework and you have a problem with me saying no, you are free to do your own homework?

But when people refuse to Google a bunch of nonsense for you, you cry that they're not backing up their claim. Why the double standard, Googie?

[Googballz 39]

But when people refuse to Google a bunch of nonsense for you, you cry that they're not backing up their claim. Why the double standard, Googie?

I have provided studies to back up my claim, Sport.

[MDC 7,887]

"My position is that the APA is wrong but Pro Life Blogster is correct. If you don't spend hours unpacking my unsubstantiated claims, I declare victory and move on to the next topic."

 

[NewbieJr 541]

Be honest. Do you feel you've ever lost an argument here?

Bump. Google. I'm asking you

[IGotWorms 4,063]

It's funny watching a guy with limited intelligence try to debate a doctor.

 

Google Pilot's pulling out all the stops. "You're a pompous blowhard"!! LOLOL .

 

A real doctor vs Googie Howser. Beat down of epic proportions. Talk about out of your league, RP.

He's not RP, dammit!

[NewbieJr 541]

He's not RP, dammit!

rofl

[drobeski 3,061]

Yet another thread newbed

[NewbieJr 541]

Yet another thread newbed

oh come on blockhead. You have to admit,it was funny watching such a moron try to debate the doctor. Throw out the fact RP is your boy.

[KSB2424 3,173]

"My position is that the APA is wrong but Pro Life Blogster is correct. If you don't spend hours unpacking my unsubstantiated claims, I declare victory and move on to the next topic."

 

 

The British Journal of Physciatry isn't a blogster.

 

ABOUT THE BRITISH JOURNAL OF PSYCHIATRY

Editor: Professor Kamaldeep Bhui

Editorial Board

Published monthly by The Royal College of Psychiatrists, this is one of the world's leading psychiatric journals. It covers all branches of the subject, with particular emphasis on the clinical aspects of each topic. In addition to a large number of authoritative papers from both the UK and around the world, the journal includes editorials, review articles, commentaries on contentious articles, short reports, a comprehensive book review section and a lively and well-informed correspondence column. A series of supplements, sent free to subscribers, provides in-depth coverage of selected areas.

The journal is essential reading for psychiatrists, clinical psychologists, and all professionals with an interest in mental health. The British Journal of Psychiatry print version is sent to all members of the Royal College of Psychiatrists, which includes most psychiatrists working in the UK. There is also a substantial international subscriber base.

All papers in this journal are peer-reviewed. No person is permitted to take any role in the peer-review of a paper in which they have an interest, defined as follows: fees or grants from, employment by, consultancy for, shared ownership in, or any close relationship with, an organisation whose interests, financial or otherwise, may be affected by the publication of the paper. Unless so stated, material in this journal does not necessarily reflect the views of the Editor or the Royal College of Psychiatrists. The publishers are not responsible for any error of omission or fact.

All content from January 2000 is online and is made freely available 1 year after publication.

[drobeski 3,061]

You're doctor is extremely biased, especially when it comes to the whole psychiatry industry so although i respect his input i take it with a grain of salt baised on his blatant bias on many issues

[Sho Nuff 720]

Yet another thread newbed

 

Or another one GP'ed all to hell.

But you can't see his part in this can you...its all on Newbie.

BTW...newbie has done his share of just throwing crap out there to see what a few of you will bite on.

[drobeski 3,061]

 

Or another one GP'ed all to hell.

But you can't see his part in this can you...its all on Newbie.

BTW...newbie has done his share of just throwing crap out there to see what a few of you will bite on.

he brought links and discussion

Maybe if you slid newbs ball sack off your eye brows for a second and looked you'd see that's the case, but i doubt it.

[penultimatestraw 473]

While that is true, I also hate crappy conclusions in general. The placement of that "no good studies exist" statement is odd. I guess they used the best of the inadequate studies to draw their conclusion?

 

I readily admit that I question the results because it doesn't pass my common sense filter. I'm not saying that every woman who has an abortion goes crazy. But no psychological impact? Really?

Yes, they used the best data they have. A lot of medical literature reads that way - medicine is far more of an art than science at times.

 

Nobody has said there is no psychological impact from abortion. Just whatever impact there may be isn't longstanding or more severe than other stressful experiences women in childbearing years may encounter.

[Sho Nuff 720]

he brought links and discussion

Maybe if you slid newbs ball sack off your eye brows for a second and looked you'd see that's the case, but i doubt it.

 

He brought his usual crap.

A few links he googled that met his needs...while ignoring the other links for the most part.

If someone else had a biased source...he cried.

While his sources proved to have bias...that didn't matter.

Then insult others for not believing as he did...pretty much the same as he has ever been.

 

Newbs fished...as I said, no ball sack on my eyebrows, just able to see both side of it.

You, as usual, can't see what a complete crap ball everything your boy GP does.

He got his ass kicked...you probably know it, just can't admit it here for whatever reason.

Now cry about how many words I used.

[penultimatestraw 473]

"If you spend the next 4 hours tracking down the references my biased source misleadingly cites, I will reward your efforts by playing semantic games and otherwise dodging the point."

 

Does anybody fall for this schtick?

Not me.

[penultimatestraw 473]

You're doctor is extremely biased, especially when it comes to the whole psychiatry industry so although i respect his input i take it with a grain of salt baised on his blatant bias on many issues

Dude, you're carrying contempt from that godforsaken Justina Pelletier thread...I have no special fondness for the psychiatric "industry."

 

But oddly enough, you seem to be in favor of the idea that women who abort must suffer from psychiatric illness. All those drug-pushing psychiatrists want more patients, right?

[Googballz 39]

oh come on blockhead. You have to admit,it was funny watching such a moron try to debate the doctor.

There was no debate, Sport.

 

He brought nothing but his opinion and asked me to sift through the citations of my link for something he was looking for.

 

I told him to pound sand. He ran away.

[Googballz 39]

he brought links and discussion

 

Something Newbie, Sho Nuff, and Penultimate have failed to do.

[penultimatestraw 473]

There was no debate, Sport.

 

He brought nothing but his opinion and asked me to sift through the citations of my link for something he was looking for.

 

I told him to pound sand. He ran away.

MDC's link was more than adequate. Much better than yours, actually.

[Googballz 39]

MDC's link was more than adequate. Much better than yours, actually.

Which one?

 

The one from the outfit dedicated to expanding abortion rights?

 

The one that says there isn't enough data to make a conclusion, yet made one?

 

I'm going to go with #2 since you like to jump to conclusions.

[donkeyjotes 54]

I never would have guessed sewing class was a good place to meet strippers.

[paulinstl 296]

Why, why, why, why is it that most of the people who are against abortion are people you wouldn't wanna fock in the first place? Boy, these conservatives are really something, aren't they? They're all in favor of the unborn. They will do anything for the unborn. But once you're born, you're on your own. Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that, they don't want to know about you. They don't want to hear from you. No nothing. No neonatal care, no day care, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you're preborn, you're fine; if you're preschool, you're focked.

 

George Carlin

[NewbieJr 541]

Why, why, why, why is it that most of the people who are against abortion are people you wouldn't wanna fock in the first place? Boy, these conservatives are really something, aren't they? They're all in favor of the unborn. They will do anything for the unborn. But once you're born, you're on your own. Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that, they don't want to know about you. They don't want to hear from you. No nothing. No neonatal care, no day care, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you're preborn, you're fine; if you're preschool, you're focked.

 

George Carlin

Old George had a way of cutting to the chase. LOL Spot on.

 

Let's force people to have unwanted children and then b1tch when it contributes to welfare costs and crime rates.

[Googballz 39]

Old George had a way of cutting to the chase. LOL Spot on.

 

Let's force people to have unwanted children and then b1tch when it contributes to welfare costs and crime rates.

You forgot to open the attachment on today's liberal talking point email. If you had you would also be telling us how conservatives want dirty air and water for women, children, the poor, and minorities. And if any survive that and get old those mean conservatives will push them off a cliff.

[NewbieJr 541]

You forgot to open the attachment on today's liberal talking point email. If you had you would also be telling us how conservatives want dirty air and water for women, children, the poor, and minorities. And if any survive that and get old those mean conservatives will push them off a cliff.

In other words, you can't think of any way to refute anything that George or I have said.

[drobeski 3,061]

Why is it most people who are for killing babies don't even like sex with the opposite gender and can't create them with their lovers anyway

A conundrum

[Googballz 39]

In other words, you can't think of any way to refute anything that George or I have said.

I normally just laugh at people who think they are smart because they can repeat worn out material fed to them from someone else.

[NewbieJr 541]

I normally just laugh at people who think they are smart because they can repeat worn out material fed to them from someone else.

Just as I thought.