For those of you who support a woman's right to choose

[DankNuggs 305]

 

Neither was I, I to was using my common sense to discuss what all this flawed and inconsistent data meant before you intervened. You simply didn't like my "possibilities" as it didn't meet your worldview, so you disparaged it and made your own.

 

 

 

Goose meet Gander.

Boom. Headshot

[paulinstl 296]

Why is it most people who are for killing babies don't even like sex with the opposite gender and can't create them with their lovers anyway

A conundrum

 

I just came back around here after a few years away. I don't recall you being so political back in the day. Now I see you post in almost every Dem. vs Rep. thread posted. Not criticizing, jusy wondering when and why it happened.

 

[NewbieJr 541]

 

I just came back around here after a few years away. I don't recall you being so political back in the day. Now I see you post in almost every Dem. vs Rep. thread posted. Not criticizing, jusy wondering when and why it happened.

 

I've often asked the same thing. He's become the angriest, most bitter guy here. He's very unhappy. And that makes me sad.

[Mike Honcho 5,435]

I've often asked the same thing. He's become the angriest, most bitter guy here. He's very unhappy. And that makes me sad.

 

Wife cheated and left him...drobs is still lashing out.

[DankNuggs 305]

I've often asked the same thing. He's become the angriest, most bitter guy here. He's very unhappy. And that makes me sad.

How would you act if your necktie didn't hang below your nipples

[Mike Honcho 5,435]

How would you act if your necktie didn't hang below your nipples

 

Why would he own a necktie?

[drobeski 3,061]

Paul, if you had any integrity youd admit, obama IS THAT BAD

 

[paulinstl 296]

Paul, if you had any integrity youd admit, obama IS THAT BAD

 

 

I'm not a big fan of the current admin. or Congress either, but there are shades of gray Dude. On this board, a person could spend all day refuting the partisan BS being posted by a few people here. I didn't remember you being one of them. I miss the old drobeski, the one who was basically an a$$ about everything, not just politics.

 

[NewbieJr 541]

Paul, if you had any integrity youd admit, obama IS THAT BAD

 

Let's just play a game where I tell you that I thought Obama was absolutely horrible. Even worse than Bush. I STILL wouldn't be obsessed with it. Who the fock cares? Go vote. Do your best to control what you can. Live life the right way. Have fun. How the fock can people let this stuff upset them so much? My life changes very very little from one President to the next. Most of my ups and down are determined by my own choices. People caring about other people's abortions or two phags getting married 1000 miles away from them. I just don't get it. No wonder you people are miserable. Turn off Fox News and fock a woman. Watch a ball game. For the love of God.

[drobeski 3,061]

Why do you care what others are interested in?

Oh wait you do, very much, obsessive even, not about the politicians who work for us but about those who discuss current political issues.

Get over it kid

[TimmySmith 2,783]

"None of the literature reviewed adequately addressed the prevalence of mental health problems among women in the United States who have had an abortion. In general, however, the prevalence of mental health problems observed among women in the United States who had a single, legal, first-trimester abortion for nontherapeutic reasons was consistent with normative rates of comparable mental health problems in the general population of women in the United States.

 

Nonetheless, it is clear that some women do experience sadness, grief, and feelings of loss following termination of a pregnancy, and some experience clinically significant disorders, including depression and anxiety. However, the TFMHA reviewed no evidence sufficient to support the claim that an observed association between abortion history and mental health was caused by the abortion per se, as opposed to other factors."

I guess I had to bold MDC's "science" for him.

[penultimatestraw 473]

I guess I had to bold MDC's "science" for him.

 

It's as if some of you have never read a medical article - part of most reviews is dedicated to recognizing the gaps/limitations in our current knowledge. Seldom is the answer cut and dry. This does not invalidate the best data we have, which is reflected in the unbolded statements from the snippet you quoted.

[penultimatestraw 473]

Let's just play a game where I tell you that I thought Obama was absolutely horrible. Even worse than Bush. I STILL wouldn't be obsessed with it. Who the fock cares? Go vote. Do your best to control what you can. Live life the right way. Have fun. How the fock can people let this stuff upset them so much? My life changes very very little from one President to the next. Most of my ups and down are determined by my own choices. People caring about other people's abortions or two phags getting married 1000 miles away from them. I just don't get it. No wonder you people are miserable. Turn off Fox News and fock a woman. Watch a ball game. For the love of God.

Agreed. The most miserable people I know are the ones who invest the most time in politics.

[NewbieJr 541]

Why do you care what others are interested in?

Oh wait you do, very much, obsessive even, not about the politicians who work for us but about those who discuss current political issues.

Get over it kid

 

Get well soon, buddy. We miss ya

[NewbieJr 541]

Agreed. The most miserable people I know are the one's who invest the most time in politics.

100 million times correct. They're all cranky and miserable. The crankiest, most miserable people here are drobeski, phillybear, recliner pilot, and phurfur. All Fox obsessed political whackos.

[MDC 7,887]

I guess I had to bold MDC's "science" for him.

So because there's no scientific evidence that women who've had abortions spend the rest of their days as the battered, empty husk of a human being, that must be true because you guys really really really want it to be.

 

That seems to be the point of this conversation.

[drobeski 3,061]

100 million times correct. They're all cranky and miserable. The crankiest, most miserable people here are drobeski, phillybear, recliner pilot, and phurfur. All Fox obsessed political whackos.

maybe pen can recommend someone to help newbs with his political obbsesion?

[NewbieJr 541]

maybe pen can recommend someone to help newbs with his political obbsesion?

 

My only obsession is with people who make this stuff their entire life.

[drobeski 3,061]

 

My only obsession is with people who make this stuff their entire life.

Who's that ? Get help kid, at least you admit it, big step.

[DankNuggs 305]

maybe pen can recommend someone to help newbs with his political obbsesion?

Political newbie brings out the worst in him... MAybe thats just politics in general brings out the worst in you.

[DankNuggs 305]

So because there's no scientific evidence that women who've had abortions spend the rest of their days as the battered, empty husk of a human being, that must be true because you guys really really really want it to be.

 

That seems to be the point of this conversation.

You are generalizing to marginalize the issue. What you are actually trying to say is the opposite, that having an abortion has no impact on psychological issues.

[MDC 7,887]

You are generalizing to marginalize the issue. What you are actually trying to say is the opposite, that having an abortion has no impact on psychological issues.

No "psychological issues"? No. I don't doubt that some women feel sadness, regret etc immediately afterward. I'm just refuting the idea that serious long term mental issues related to abortion are common. The APA seems to back me up on that point.

[drobeski 3,061]

Political newbie brings out the worst in him... MAybe thats just politics in general brings out the worst in you.

worst ?

whats bad about the truth

[TimmySmith 2,783]

 

It's as if some of you have never read a medical article - part of most reviews is dedicated to recognizing the gaps/limitations in our current knowledge. Seldom is the answer cut and dry. This does not invalidate the best data we have, which is reflected in the unbolded statements from the snippet you quoted.

I obviously do not read as much medical research data as you. It fairly clearly stated that based on "available" info, it could find no link between abortion and "ill feeling" that could not have been produced by other factors. That hardly proves that abortion could not have been a factor. The other link (which dealt directly with abortion and "ill feelings") quoted at least a 64% rate of some level of regret, guilt or sadness. Therefore it seems quite reasonable to conclude that abortion has a factor on mental health, the extent of which is debatable.

[jerryskids 7,085]

 

It's as if some of you have never read a medical article - part of most reviews is dedicated to recognizing the gaps/limitations in our current knowledge. Seldom is the answer cut and dry. This does not invalidate the best data we have, which is reflected in the unbolded statements from the snippet you quoted.

Yeah OK, but that last paragraph says that there are clear psychological observations, but the studies inadequately tied them to abortions. That's a far cry from a conclusion.

[FishHead 3]

Why is it that EVERY Republican is pro-life and EVERY Democrat is pro-choice?

Is it that those groups all think the same on EVERYTHING?

For most of my life I have voted nationally for the Republican candidate. Lately I haven't voted at all because I'm torn.

I don't think it's prudent to take the life of a potential individual BUT I also don't think it's proper to tell a woman what to do with her life/body.

Does nobody else have these concerns or is EVERYBODY lined up on the side of their voting block?

 

[drobeski 3,061]

Why is it that EVERY Republican is pro-life and EVERY Democrat is pro-choice?

Is it that those groups all think the same on EVERYTHING?

For most of my life I have voted nationally for the Republican candidate. Lately I haven't voted at all because I'm torn.

I don't think it's prudent to take the life of a potential individual BUT I also don't think it's proper to tell a woman what to do with her life/body.

Does nobody else have these concerns or is EVERYBODY lined up on the side of their voting block?

 

im pro choice, just anti tax dollars funding the propaganda and procedure

[Sho Nuff 720]

Why is it that EVERY Republican is pro-life and EVERY Democrat is pro-choice?

Is it that those groups all think the same on EVERYTHING?

For most of my life I have voted nationally for the Republican candidate. Lately I haven't voted at all because I'm torn.

I don't think it's prudent to take the life of a potential individual BUT I also don't think it's proper to tell a woman what to do with her life/body.

Does nobody else have these concerns or is EVERYBODY lined up on the side of their voting block?

 

 

Politically its one of the most overrated issues as it is.

And I don't think its as straight down party lines as most would think.

[FishHead 3]

im pro choice, just anti tax dollars funding the propaganda and procedure

Help me out. Who gets abortions paid for by the govt? I plead unawareness.

[drobeski 3,061]

Help me out. Who gets abortions paid for by the govt? I plead unawareness.

not sure but i'd conservatively guess 60%

[FishHead 3]

not sure but i'd conservatively guess 60%

 

How? You gotta tell me more. Help me out if you want me to see your position more clearly.

[penultimatestraw 473]

Yeah OK, but that last paragraph says that there are clear psychological observations, but the studies inadequately tied them to abortions. That's a far cry from a conclusion.

MDC's link also said there is no difference in the prevalence of serious, long-term mental health problems between non-aborting women and aborting ones (at least first timers). Short of a trial where all other factors are eliminated, one can never prove definitively that abortion does (or doesn't) cause mental health issues. You can only infer that it doesn't seem to increase the risk above "normal" levels - unless you think women who don't abort are inherently more likely to experience mental illness, or those who do are typically level-headed prior to killing their spawn.

[penultimatestraw 473]

 

Politically its one of the most overrated issues as it is.

And I don't think its as straight down party lines as most would think.

True. It seems to sway voting quite a bit, but is largely irrelevant to most of us.

[penultimatestraw 473]

not sure but i'd conservatively guess 60%

I'll liberally say less than a one-third.

http://www.guttmacher.org/media/infographics/how-do-women-pay2.html

[phillybear 366]

100 million times correct. They're all cranky and miserable. The crankiest, most miserable people here are drobeski, phillybear, recliner pilot, and phurfur. All Fox obsessed political whackos.

 

The only shows I watch on Fox News is Red Eye, a terrific humorous pop culture show sooooo much better than The Daily Show. On Fox Business News, I watch The Independents which brands itself as the show for Independent voters.

 

While I certainly can see why I am called miserable, I fail to see any reason why I am called a Fox obsessed political whacko, you filthy pile of donkey sh!t.

[Saint Elistan 106]

 

The only shows I watch on Fox News is Red Eye.

 

Been a while since I watched, but always fancied that show.

[phillybear 366]

 

Been a while since I watched, but always fancied that show.

 

The problem is the ratings got too high and you can tell that the network noticed the show existed so they started tinkering and fiddling with the show.

[Phurfur 70]

100 million times correct. They're all cranky and miserable. The crankiest, most miserable people here are drobeski, phillybear, recliner pilot, and phurfur. All Fox obsessed political whackos.

 

It is all documented right here on this bored and if you look at everyone's posts you will find you are describing yourself to a tee. HTH

 

Matthew 7:3

"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

 

Matthew 7:4

How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?

[Sho Nuff 720]

It is all documented right here on this bored and if you look at everyone's posts you will find you are describing yourself to a tee. HTH

 

Matthew 7:3

"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

 

Matthew 7:4

How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?

 

These quotes again show you...constantly crying about things the Democrats do, but ignoring anything Republicans do (despite claiming not to be one while basically holding their platform and ideals moreso than any Libertarian platform).

[BudBro 183]

MDC's link also said there is no difference in the prevalence of serious, long-term mental health problems between non-aborting women and aborting ones (at least first timers). Short of a trial where all other factors are eliminated, one can never prove definitively that abortion does (or doesn't) cause mental health issues. You can only infer that it doesn't seem to increase the risk above "normal" levels - unless you think women who don't abort are inherently more likely to experience mental illness, or those who do are typically level-headed prior to killing their spawn.

regarding the maternal instinct genetically inherent in all women, it would follow that, at some point in their life, the "motherly" germ will infiltrate their conscience with the fact they sacrificed a child they otherwise could have nurtured. even a lie detector test can be manipulated when one tells themselves a lie for so long that it electrically becomes truth to them. all of us are awakened in the middle of the night when it is quiet by things that jolt our consciences. the thought of the laughter of a child or the dreams of what they could've been won't sit quietly forever.