IRS "loses" 2 years of Lois Lerner emails. How convenient.

[drobeski 3,061]

So emails are stored on hard drives, not servers i guess.

Lots of it guys here, could you verify this ?

[BunnysBastatrds 2,453]

And I asked "WHY IS IT WORSE?" and you just keep screaming that it's worse. No explanation what-so-ever.

 

 

OK. I think it's worse because Obama used his power to go after average citizens. I think Nixxon going after party profesionals isn't as bad as going after average citizens. Both are bad. But telling Jon Doe from Ohio, who just happens to be a republican, and who wants to further support a cause that he believes in other than just voting, that he can't start his group or he'll have to wait until after the election to do so, when the party in power, democrats, has groups of their own wanting to support their causes and aren't targeted by the IRS.

 

Obama was scarred of not being re-elected. I think he used this tactic of targeting these groups as an advantage. He was scarred of all the new money that could be generated from these groups so he shut them down before they even got started. He basically denied people their right to free speech. The Supreme Court agrees that donating money is a form of free speech.

[posty 2,714]

So emails are stored on hard drives, not servers i guess.

Lots of it guys here, could you verify this ?

Apparently they need some new technology, according to Pelosi...

 

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/380769/pelosi-they-need-new-technology-system-irs-joel-gehrke

 

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D., Calif.) regards the loss of former IRS official Lois Lerner’s emails only demonstrates that the agency needs to upgrade its technology, rather than a cause to suspect a cover-up related to the targeting of Tea Party groups.

 

“What it convinces me [of] is that they need a new technology system at the IRS,” Pelosi told reporters. “They need to upgrade their technology, get it right, so that there’s no suspicion about what agenda anyone may have on that.”

 

The IRS says that two years’ of Lerner’s emails were lost due to a hard drive crash. “Who could possibly believe that they have lost two critical years worth of emails for the central figure in this investigation?” House Speaker John Boehner (R., Ohio) countered during his press briefing.

 

“If the IRS truly got rid of evidence in a way that violated the Federal Records Act and ensured the FBI never got a crack at recovering files from an official claiming a Fifth amendment protection against self-incrimination, this is proof their whole line about ‘losing’ e-mails in the targeting scandal was just one more attempted deception,” House Oversight and Government Reform Committee chairman Darrell Issa (R., Calif.) said in response. ”Old and useless binders of information are still stored and maintained on federal agency shelves; official records, like the e-mails of a prominent official, don’t just disappear without a trace unless that was the intention.”

 

An IRS official told National Review Online’s Eliana Johnson that two years’ worth of Lerner’s emails have been lost and can’t be retrieved because a hard drive crashed. “You’re not supposed to keep them around,” the source told Eliana when explaining why the damaged hard drive would be destroyed. “You destroy the data.”

[drobeski 3,061]

Apparently they need some new technology, according to Pelosi...

 

and we are to trust these ass clowns with our medical records ?

 

i think pelosi is a lying kunt who knows her retarded base will believe her.

[OldMaid 2,130]

OK. I think it's worse because Obama used his power to go after average citizens. I think Nixxon going after party profesionals isn't as bad as going after average citizens. Both are bad. But telling Jon Doe from Ohio, who just happens to be a republican, and who wants to further support a cause that he believes in other than just voting, that he can't start his group or he'll have to wait until after the election to do so, when the party in power, democrats, has groups of their own wanting to support their causes and aren't targeted by the IRS.

 

Obama was scarred of not being re-elected. I think he used this tactic of targeting these groups as an advantage. He was scarred of all the new money that could be generated from these groups so he shut them down before they even got started. He basically denied people their right to free speech. The Supreme Court agrees that donating money is a form of free speech.

Fair enough, I guess... But the fact that Nixon did this and MORE, still makes Watergate much worse IMO.

 

Plus, we still don't have any evidence that Obama was even involved. Just a lot of speculation at this point, no?

[OldMaid 2,130]

How many groups were actually denied their tax exempt status? The only thing I came across is from that link I posted:

The IRS inspector general's report said 298 political groups received special scrutiny. Of those, only 96 - about a third — were Tea Party groups. And the only group so far to have their eligibility for tax-free status rejected is the Maine chapter of Emerge America that trains Democratic women to run for office. The White House has asked the newly appointed IRS chief to investigate and bring to account those culpable. The sooner that investigation is completed, the sooner we can move on.

Is there more that I'm missing?

[DankNuggs 305]

But the fact that Nixon did this and MORE,

 

What is this? a focking shamwow infomercial?

[Mike Honcho 5,295]

and we are to trust these ass clowns with our medical records ?

 

i think pelosi is a lying kunt who knows her retarded base will believe her.

 

Well, I'm betting Peolsi must be right then, since you've been 100% wrong in every time you've posted in this thread.

[drobeski 3,061]

 

Well, I'm betting Peolsi must be right then, since you've been 100% wrong in every time you've posted in this thread.

[OldMaid 2,130]

You are missing a lot.

Link?

[OldMaid 2,130]

Targeting for what? They delayed some applications for Tax Exempt status...they didn't keep any average citizens from supporting a cause they believe in.

You can quit with the over dramatic crap.

 

Its nothing close to Watergate whatsoever...continuing to argue that it is just shows that A: You really are the biased hack some call you. or B. You are actually still really drunk or that clueless.

 

Bunny is a lot of things, but I wouldn't call him a hack. He just believes the Republican side of the story. Nothing wrong with that...

 

At least you can have a converstion with him that doesn't devolve into name calling, a bunch of stupid emotes or RMFF, or other asinine sh!t.

[Mike Honcho 5,295]

 

It's cute, he thinks we're laughing with him and not at him.

[drobeski 3,061]

Snuff and Mike believe the chit being slung they really do

[OldMaid 2,130]

What is this? a focking shamwow infomercial?

Awesome post, Nuggs. That totally convinced me that I'm wrong.

[OldMaid 2,130]

He is a political hack...whether it devolves into namecalling or just buying 100% into the GOP talking points, that is what makes him a hack.

I still don't see him as a hack. Sorry...

[drobeski 3,061]

No it guys willing to step up ? Emails stored on lois lerners hard drive and NOT servers ?

 

 

Guess what, im a plumbah and i know the answer

[OldMaid 2,130]

No it guys willing to step up ? Emails stored on lois lerners hard drive and NOT servers ?

Guess what, im a plumbah and i know the answer

That’s because before May 2013, the IRS backed up emails only for six months on a tape, then recycled the tapes, so they essentially threw out the data. Many agencies do the same, transparency experts say.

 

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/06/irs-lois-lerner-emails-108044.html#ixzz357mUgTn3

[drobeski 3,061]

 

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/06/irs-lois-lerner-emails-108044.html#ixzz357mUgTn3

politico

 

Sure they did

So now its not a hard drive ita a tape, i take it the recipients and senders uses the same accidentally destroyed hard drive 8 track tapes ?

 

Add old maid to the list

[OldMaid 2,130]

politico

Sure they did

See, Sho Nuff... This is what a hack looks like.

[drobeski 3,061]

No a hack would claim the emails were lost and gone forever accidentally, you're way to stupid or infactuated to reach even hack level if you believe it.

 

Sad really

[OldMaid 2,130]

No a hack would claim the emails were lost and gone forever accidentally, you're way to stupid or infactuated to reach even hack level if you believe it.

Sad really

Is that Engrish?

[drobeski 3,061]

Is that Engrish?

ruff ruff

[OldMaid 2,130]

ruff ruff

[MDC 7,493]

Were r the emales dammit!

[Googballz 39]

Apparently they need some new technology, according to Pelosi...

 

Hey Moonbat, for years I have paid about fitty bucks a year with Carbonite to back up everything on my computer. I could unplug it, throw it in the ocean, get a new one, plug it in and log into Carbonite and everything I had on the old one would magically appear on the new one.

 

Old technology.

[OldMaid 2,130]

Hey Moonbat, for years I have paid about fitty bucks a year with Carbonite to back up everything on my computer. I could unplug it, throw it in the ocean, get a new one, plug it in and log into Carbonite and everything I had on the old one would magically appear on the new one.

 

Old technology.

And yet, it still lost your old FFT password.

[Googballz 39]

Link?

This should get you started. This foundation is representing several parties that the IRS targeted.

 

 

http://aclj.org/free-speech-2/no-wonder-the-irs-is-losing-e-mails-it-was-trying-to-throw-innocent-conservatives-in-jail

 

http://aclj.org/free-speech-2/lerner-caught-colluding-with-doj-fbi-providing-illegal-taxpayer-data

 

 

You can find a lot more here:

 

http://aclj.org/ContentSearch?q=irs&t=JusticeFile%2CLegalDoc%2CDocketBlogPost%2CPetition%2CRadioShow%2CPressRelease%2CMediaMention%2CVideo%2CFAQ&x=0&y=0

[OldMaid 2,130]

This should get you started. This foundation is representing several parties that the IRS targeted.

 

 

http://aclj.org/free-speech-2/no-wonder-the-irs-is-losing-e-mails-it-was-trying-to-throw-innocent-conservatives-in-jail

 

http://aclj.org/free-speech-2/lerner-caught-colluding-with-doj-fbi-providing-illegal-taxpayer-data

 

 

You can find a lot more here:

 

http://aclj.org/ContentSearch?q=irs&t=JusticeFile%2CLegalDoc%2CDocketBlogPost%2CPetition%2CRadioShow%2CPressRelease%2CMediaMention%2CVideo%2CFAQ&x=0&y=0

None of those links gives any numbers concerning how many people were targeted or denied tax exempt status. Just that some attorney is representing 41 groups.

[Googballz 39]

Link?

IRS demands list of donors to Tea Party groups (a clear violation of regulations). After the IRS gets the list people on the list are audited at 10Xs the avg.

 

Purely a coincidence, I'm sure. But hey, you claim the only thing they did was "delay some applications"

 

 

 

When the IRS was targeting conservative groups seeking tax exempt status for special scrutiny, they demanded the list of donors supporting those groups in 17 cases. Despite assurances from the agency that the lists had been destroyed, a search requested by Congress revealed that at least 3 lists had survived. And of the donors on those lists, fully 10% of the individuals had been audited.

The rate of audits for ordinary Americans is about 1%.

Now, the House Ways and Means Oversight Committee is demanding that the Government AccoIRS intimidation on a whole other level.untability Office investigate the IRS to see why so many Tea Party donors were audited.

Washington Times:

So not only was asking for the donor lists in the first place a violation of regulations, the evidence strongly suggests that the IRS tried to intimidate Tea Party donors by auditing their tax returns.

“The committee uncovered new information indicating that after groups provided the information to the IRS, nearly one in 10 donors were subject to audit,” Rep. Charles W. Boustany Jr., Louisiana Republican and chairman of the Ways and Means Committee’s oversight panel, told IRS Commissioner John Koskinen at a hearing Wednesday.

“The abuse of discretion and audit selection must be identified and stopped,” he said.

Mr. Koskinen didn’t specifically address the accusations during the hearing, and the IRS didn’t respond to a request for comment late Wednesday evening.

[...]

Republicans said 24 conservative groups were asked for their donor lists. The IRS initially told Congress that those lists were destroyed, but when they went through their files they discovered three lists that weren’t destroyed.

Rep. Dave Camp, Michigan Republican and chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, asked the IRS to review the names on those lists to see whether any had been audited. The IRSreported back that 10 percent were audited — substantially higher than the average rate of 1 percent of average Americans who are audited each year.

Mr. Boustany said he has asked the Government Accountability Office, Congress‘ chief watchdog, to look at how the IRS Exempt Organizations Division decided whom to audit. He said the GAO review is underway and demanded that Mr. Koskinen offer investigators full cooperation.

“IRS has long insisted that Americans should not worry about political targeting at your agency because the IRS has layers of internal protections to guard against it. But in the course of our investigation, however, we found that Lois Lerner acted in defiance of these internal protections,” Mr. Boustany said.

No other federal agency has the ability to make your life as miserable as the IRS is capable of doing. The GAO has to get to the bottom of this in order to name those who would use the power of government to intimidate ordinary Americans and fire them. Even the appearance of impropriety should get them canned.

 

[Googballz 39]

None of those links gives any numbers concerning how many people were targeted or denied tax exempt status. Just that some attorney is representing 41 groups.

You have to do a little reading, Darlin. I'm sure you will not put forth the effort because you don't want to know what the IRS did.

[Googballz 39]

Folks who have never been audited before donate to Tea Party groups, get audited, lose life savings...........

 

But hey, they just delayed a few applications.

 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/may/9/istook-illegal-irs-audits-rob-tea-party-supporters/

 

 

I could do this for a long time.......or you could have done it on your own. That is, if you really cared about the truth.

[OldMaid 2,130]

http://www.thewire.com/politics/2014/04/new-documents-show-the-irs-targeted-progressive-and-tea-party-groups-for-extra-scrutiny/361125/

 

 

Yep... it was just the tea party groups.

[Sho Nuff 720]

No a hack would claim the emails were lost and gone forever accidentally, you're way to stupid or infactuated to reach even hack level if you believe it.

 

Sad really

 

I don't think that is what is being said...other than explaining how backups and things work...since you seem to have an issue with that.

[OldMaid 2,130]

Oops!

 

 

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2014/04/23/3429722/irs-records-tea-party/

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

What "chit" being slung do I believe?

Care to refute the facts I pointed out here:

http://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=433508&p=5256726

 

Since, its pretty much what the investigation turned up.

 

Bump for you drobs...you seem to enjoy ignoring actual facts and slinging complete crap at people.

And again, you wonder why I call you a hack.

[Googballz 39]

http://www.thewire.com/politics/2014/04/new-documents-show-the-irs-targeted-progressive-and-tea-party-groups-for-extra-scrutiny/361125/

 

 

Yep... it was just the tea party groups.

Nobody said it was just Tea Party groups.

 

Do you know the number of Tea Party groups vs liberal groups who were denied their tax exempt status? I'm guessing you don't.

 

How many liberal groups had their donor lists demanded turned over to the IRS so they could audit them at 10X the avg? I'm sure you have no idea on this either.

[Googballz 39]

Oops!

 

 

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2014/04/23/3429722/irs-records-tea-party/

You have any idea who think progress is?

 

Why did the IRS apologize to Tea Party groups for "targeting them"?

 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/05/10/irs-apology-conservative-groups-2012-election/2149939/

[OldMaid 2,130]

Nobody said it was just Tea Party groups.

 

Do you know the number of Tea Party groups vs liberal groups who were denied their tax exempt status? I'm guessing you don't.

 

How many liberal groups had their donor lists demanded turned over to the IRS so they could audit them at 10X the avg? I'm sure you have no idea on this either.

According to Wikipedia, only 1 group was denied tax exempt status. And it was a progressive one.

 

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_IRS_controversy

[Googballz 39]

 

Targeting for what? They delayed some applications for Tax Exempt status..

Audits?

I think my links above have destroyed the "facts" you are so proud of bringing to the table, Sport.

[OldMaid 2,130]

You have any idea who think progress is?

 

Why did the IRS apologize to Tea Party groups for "targeting them"?

 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/05/10/irs-apology-conservative-groups-2012-election/2149939/

 

Maybe you'd like to hear if from HuffPost, instead:

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/24/irs-progressive-groups_n_3492679.html