IRS "loses" 2 years of Lois Lerner emails. How convenient.

[jerryskids 6,828]

Oh, I see... you're being stupid on purpose. Gotcha.

I accept your concession speech.

[BunnysBastatrds 2,450]

 

You tried claiming this was as bad as Watergate.

Sorry...if that was not a drunk hack comment...nothing is.

So I haven't named called and resorted to the tactics you've accused me of? Just believed what I debated?

[OldMaid 2,130]

So I haven't named called and resorted to the tactics you've accused me of? Just believed what I debated?

You're not a hack, Bunny... Don't worry about it.

[BunnysBastatrds 2,450]

I love patterns recognized by those who don't see them within themselves. At least some of us are consistent and make a stand about what we truly believe while others criticize our methods. Have yet to hear you make a stand and tell us what you believe. Telling me how drunk and stoopid I am is paramount to having nothing to add to the conversation other than you are in the correct side and I should just be quiet and keep my opinions to myself.

 

Liberal mantra at its finest.

[OldMaid 2,130]

I accept your concession speech.

You should be a comedian.

[Reality 3,121]

I love patterns recognized by those who don't see them within themselves.

 

 

Bunny just won the Geek Club, sorry Drob, your reign is over.

[Voltaire 5,317]

When you say you went to M.I.T., could that possibly stand for Mental Insitute for Tards?

 

Masturbates Intensely to Tubgirl.

Militant Islamic Terrorist

Men I Touch

Robin Hood - Men In Tights

Mexicans in Texas: "Maybe I'll Trespass"

[drobeski 3,061]

 

You still have not refuted one thing I have said in this thread and have ignored quite a few facts in order to keep slinging this stuff and that somehow I am defending the administration.

 

You have not provided a single thing to show anything drobs...you are the biggest hack here and its not close.

winning

[drobeski 3,061]

You know the fat guy at the airport security checkpoint with the box of donuts and coffee stain on his uniform who's always staring at the computer screen?

 

He's got a special camera that sees through clothes so he can investigate hidden packages all day.

 

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/04/16/camera.england/

where their texts books filled with pages of saran wrap ?

[Mike Honcho 5,294]

This is a dangerous game they are playing. One, I find it implausible that the feds, let alone the IRS, don't have backup systems. Two, they should be able to produce subsequent emails where she tells people she needs stuff because her disk crashed. Basically it seems like a lie which can be verified.

 

 

And since nobody seems to like the Politco link, here's another one that describes what happend to the emails.

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/06/16/heres-how-the-irs-lost-emails-from-key-witness-lois-lerner/

 

I posted this same link, in direct response to Jerry's first inquiries in this thread(specifically the email chain about the hard drive crash), it was ignored then too.

[drobeski 3,061]

Mike honcho and old maid, team transparency experts to the rescue!!!!

 

 

 

They believe it

[Mike Honcho 5,294]

Mike honcho and old maid, team transparency experts to the rescue!!!!

 

 

 

They believe it

 

"They believe it"...yeah cause the evidence proves it true.

 

Sort of like every time you post, it proves you're a stupid partisan hack incapable of posting an original coherent thought.

[Reality 3,121]

 

"They believe it"...yeah cause the evidence proves it true.

 

[Googballz 39]

 

Typical by you...keep ignoring the links provided after you ask for them.

 

Care to comment on any of these links? So far you and Old Maid have ignored them.

 

 

This should get you started. This foundation is representing several parties that the IRS targeted.

 

 

http://aclj.org/free-speech-2/no-wonder-the-irs-is-losing-e-mails-it-was-trying-to-throw-innocent-conservatives-in-jail

 

http://aclj.org/free-speech-2/lerner-caught-colluding-with-doj-fbi-providing-illegal-taxpayer-data

 

 

You can find a lot more here:

 

http://aclj.org/ContentSearch?q=irs&t=JusticeFile%2CLegalDoc%2CDocketBlogPost%2CPetition%2CRadioShow%2CPressRelease%2CMediaMention%2CVideo%2CFAQ&x=0&y=0

 

 

Folks who have never been audited before donate to Tea Party groups, get audited, lose life savings...........

 

But hey, they just delayed a few applications.

 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/may/9/istook-illegal-irs-audits-rob-tea-party-supporters/

 

 

I could do this for a long time.......or you could have done it on your own. That is, if you really cared about the truth.

 

 

 

 

Why did the IRS apologize to Tea Party groups for "targeting them"?

 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/05/10/irs-apology-conservative-groups-2012-election/2149939/

[Mike Honcho 5,294]

 

 

We're specifically referring the computer breakdown/hard drive failure. Work order forms document the hard drive failed, and the email chain shows the steps that were being taken to try and fix the hard drive, please clarify exactly what is wrong with the evidence or what is unbelievable. We can just stick with this for now, and not even get into the backup procedures of the IRS(or other govt agencies) that are also clearly spelled out and documented.

[Voltaire 5,317]

 

We're specifically referring the computer breakdown/hard drive failure. Work order forms document the hard drive failed, and the email chain shows the steps that were being taken to try and fix the hard drive, please clarify exactly what is wrong with the evidence or what is unbelievable. We can just stick with this for now, and not even get into the backup procedures of the IRS(or other govt agencies) that are also clearly spelled out and documented.

It's a plausible explanation but not a convincing one. When Lois Lerner refused to testify, it stunk of cover up. Now that her emails are missing, it reeks of cover up that goes above and beyond her. There's smoke here and unlike other scandals, I don't see the GOP smoke generating machine around. I'm really looking forward to learning more on this one.

 

Like I said, it's plausible. But right now, I'm not buying it. Too many coincidences.

[Mike Honcho 5,294]

It's a plausible explanation but not a convincing one. When Lois Lerner refused to testify, it stunk of cover up. Now that her emails are missing, it reeks of cover up that goes above and beyond her. There's smoke here and unlike other scandals, I don't see the GOP smoke generating machine around. I'm really looking forward to learning more on this one.

 

Like I said, it's plausible. But right now, I'm not buying it. Too many coincidences.

 

Volt, not convincing, how? The only way that the HD story didn't happen, is if they have completely fabricated emails, work documents/work orders and have convinced IT guys and computer repair facilities to be a part of the scheme. I'm not talking about the targeting/whether or not it happened, this thread is about the lost emails and I don't see how the "conspiracy" story is any more plausible or convincing than a hard drive failed.

[Googballz 39]

 

Volt, not convincing, how? The only way that the HD story didn't happen, is if they have completely fabricated emails, work documents/work orders and have convinced IT guys and computer repair facilities to be a part of the scheme. I'm not talking about the targeting/whether or not it happened, this thread is about the lost emails and I don't see how the "conspiracy" story is any more plausible or convincing than a hard drive failed.

Lerner, and 6 others involved in this all had their hard drives crash in a short period of time during the critical time in question. And you think it's a coincidence.

 

Useful idiot.

 

 

 

Lerner isn’t the only IRS official whose communications have gone missing thanks to convenient computer troubles. According to the House Ways and Means Committee, the agency says it cannot produce some records for six more employees, including Nicole Flax, a regular visitor to the White House and former chief of staff in the IRS commissioner’s office. Flax's communications were also apparently lost due to hard drive failures

 

 

 

 

http://reason.com/blog/2014/06/19/hard-drive-containing-ex-irs-official-lo

[drobeski 3,061]

Lerner, and 6 others involved in this all had their hard drives crash in a short period of time during the critical time in question. And you think it's a coincidence.

 

Useful idiot.

 

 

 

 

http://reason.com/blog/2014/06/19/hard-drive-containing-ex-irs-official-lo

well their story was backed up by unnamed transparency experts, so it's definitely legit.

[MDC 7,490]

Republitards are such whining victim crybaby puzzies.

[NewbieJr 541]

OOTW

[Mike Honcho 5,294]

Lerner, and 6 others involved in this all had their hard drives crash in a short period of time during the critical time in question. And you think it's a coincidence.

 

Useful idiot.

 

 

 

 

http://reason.com/blog/2014/06/19/hard-drive-containing-ex-irs-official-lo

 

Wow, HD's crash on older computers. Must be a conspiracy, moonbat.

 

Lerner's computer crashed in the summer of 2011, depriving investigators of many of her prior emails. Flax's computer crashed in December 2011, Camp and Boustany said.

The IRS said Friday that technicians went to great lengths trying to recover data from Lerner's computer in 2011. In emails provided by the IRS, technicians said they sent the computer to a forensic lab run by the agency's criminal investigations unit. But to no avail.

The IRS was able to generate 24,000 Lerner emails from the 2009 to 2011 period because Lerner had copied in other IRS employees. Overall, the IRS said it is producing a total of 67,000 emails to and from Lerner, covering the period from 2009 to 2013.

The IRS said Friday more than 250 IRS employees have been working to assist congressional investigations, spending nearly $10 million to produce more than 750,000 documents.

 

[OldMaid 2,130]

Care to comment on any of these links? So far you and Old Maid have ignored them.

 

I'm going to guess that they were audited because they didn't qualify for the 501c3/4 status they were applying for.

 

http://www.irs.gov/Charities-&-Non-Profits/Charitable-Organizations/Exemption-Requirements-Section-501

 

http://www.irs.gov/Charities-&-Non-Profits/Other-Non-Profits/Types-of-Organizations-Exempt-under-Section-501

 

I'm also going to guess that they apologized because they were put on the BOLO lists.

[Googballz 39]

I'm going to guess that they were audited because they didn't qualify for the 501c3/4 status they were applying for.http://www.irs.gov/Charities-&-Non-Profits/Charitable-Organizations/Exemption-Requirements-Section-501http://www.irs.gov/Charities-&-Non-Profits/Other-Non-Profits/Types-of-Organizations-Exempt-under-Section-501

I'm also going to guess that they apologized because they were put on the BOLO lists.

If they didn't qualify, as you guess, they should have just been denied tax exempt status, not audited.

 

Also, it was people on the donor list that were audited, not the groups applying for tax exempt status. The IRS has no right to see the donor list, BTW.

 

Seriously, you should bow out of this thread.

[OldMaid 2,130]

If they didn't qualify, as you guess, they should have just been denied tax exempt status, not audited.

Seriously, you should bow out of this thread.

Umm, yeah. I guess the IRS shouldn't have investigated whether or not not they did actually qualify. Just deny them on the spot. That makes tons of sense.

 

 

There was an unusually high number of groups that were applying for this status. The IRS came up with the BOLO lists, as a way to identify them. The lists have since been published, and in FACT, both conservative and progressive groups were targeted. Since 501c3/4 was never intended for use for political groups and limits the amount they can donate, it seems reasonable that the IRS would look into them further.

 

Just hang it up... It's a nice day, and I'm not planning on spending it arguing with you and trying to make sense of your speculations.

 

Let me know when the find a smoking gun... until then, maybe you can STFU for awhile.

[Googballz 39]

Donors audited at 10X the national avg after IRS gets Tea Party lists.

 

That has nothing to do with the application of any group.

 

I feel bad beating up on a girl this bad.

[Reality 3,121]

 

We're specifically referring the computer breakdown/hard drive failure. Work order forms document the hard drive failed, and the email chain shows the steps that were being taken to try and fix the hard drive, please clarify exactly what is wrong with the evidence or what is unbelievable. We can just stick with this for now, and not even get into the backup procedures of the IRS(or other govt agencies) that are also clearly spelled out and documented.

7 total hard drive crashes of key individuals in and around the time in question. This is the only place there are still people buying any part of this story. News outlets, publications, and people nationwide are rolling their eyes at this embarrassing attempt at a cover-up.

 

At this point there just really isn't much to say, depending on who is in power, there is a small contingent of people on each side of the political aisle who will buy whatever their side is selling regardless of how obviously absurd it is to the rest of us.

 

[NewbieJr 541]

7 total hard drive crashes of key individuals in and around the time in question. This is the only place there are still people buying any part of this story. News outlets, publications, and people nationwide are rolling their eyes at this embarrassing attempt at a cover-up.

 

At this point there just really isn't much to say, depending on who is in power, there is a small contingent of people on each side of the political aisle who will buy whatever their side is selling regardless of how obviously absurd it is to the rest of us.

 

I'm not aware of anyone saying that it doesn't sound suspicious. The two sides here are those who think they have it all figured out and want heads to roll, without having any clue where the orders came from, and those who are willing to wait for the investigation to play out. Unfortunately, unless you are crying to have Lerner thrown in jail and Obama impeached immediately, the conservatives think you're hanging from Obama's nut sack and think there's been no foul play whatsoever.

[NewbieJr 541]

Who called for Obama to be impeached immediately?

 

This should be good.

Who is buying everything that they're telling us? Who is saying that nothing sounds suspicious.

 

This should be good.

[Googballz 39]

Who is buying everything that they're telling us? Who is saying that nothing sounds suspicious.

 

This should be good.

Backed you into a corner.

[paulinstl 296]

ACLJ

 

Pat Robertson's ACLJ?

 

[NewbieJr 541]

Backed you into a corner.

Good stuff.

[Googballz 39]

ACLJ

 

Pat Robertson's ACLJ?

 

Are you saying the firm hired by several of these groups, and who has access to much more evidence than you have, isn't a good source?

 

Are you claiming they are lying? Feel free to bring something that disputes what they have charged in their lawsuits.

[paulinstl 296]

Are you saying the firm hired by several of these groups, and who has access to much more evidence than you have, isn't a good source?

 

Are you claiming they are lying? Feel free to bring something that disputes what they have charged in their lawsuits.

 

 

I just see the irony of you questioning a source because of bias then proceed to cite a Conservative Christian political agenda driven law group.

 

Good stuff. And no, I'm not going to discuss the merits or veracity of the info in the articles.

[NewbieJr 541]

Are you saying the firm hired by several of these groups, and who has access to much more evidence than you have, isn't a good source?

 

Are you claiming they are lying? Feel free to bring something that disputes what they have charged in their lawsuits.

Still waiting for the lefties here who claimed they were sure everything is on the up and up. Quit stalling. You have 11 pages to find one.

[BunnysBastatrds 2,450]

 

You are consistent...consistently believing nothing but the GOP side and refusing to see the other. Pretty much the definition of a hack.

Seriously...you can't even come close to defending your watergate comparison at all. That is one of the biggest hack statements on this board.

How does that add to the conversation?

 

 

I was the one who made the comparison a few pages back. Do you think if it's proved that Obama was involved that this is an impeachable offense? .

[Googballz 39]

 

 

Good stuff. And no, I'm not going to discuss the merits or veracity of the info in the articles.

Good choice on your part.

[paulinstl 296]

Good choice on your part.

 

I'm gonna pass on arguing with you because it's like wrestling with a pig. I get dirty but the pig likes it.

[OldMaid 2,130]

I'm gonna pass on arguing with you because it's like wrestling with a pig. I get dirty but the pig likes it.

 

Not only that, but he ABSOLUTELY must have the last word. He just can't STFU and chill out for awhile.

[Googballz 39]