bandrus1 413 Posted August 19, 2014 I think what most people are really missing here is the complete loss of civil liberties that are occurring in this town. People can beat the straw man argument over race that this has become and thats what "they" want us to do because it takes away from what is really happening. Right to peacefully assemble disbanded Mandatory curfews Police going house to house without warrants Press being blocked and harassed and in some cases wrongfully detained People having tear gas fired at them while on their own private property Over militarized police state All this is happening while people turn it into a right vs left black vs white issue Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eaglesin14 12 Posted August 19, 2014 Mdc et al are counting his robbery partner in crimes story, ya know the skinny illiterate tattooed kid who disappeared for 3 days, lawyered up, and then went to the media with his "story" before even contacting investigators. I listened to the kid lawyer give his version of events. Not a single thing in his story matches up with the evidence. Kid's testimony will have no affect on this. The attorney should be sanctioned for throwing the BS out there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NorthernVike 2,087 Posted August 19, 2014 I think what most people are really missing here is the complete loss of civil liberties that are occurring in this town. People can beat the straw man argument over race that this has become and thats what "they" want us to do because it takes away from what is really happening. Right to peacefully assemble disbanded Mandatory curfews Police going house to house without warrants Press being blocked and harassed and in some cases wrongfully detained People having tear gas fired at them while on their own private property Over militarized police state All this is happening while people turn it into a right vs left black vs white issue They earned all of those things themselves. Ain't no one be doin that in my hood. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillybear 366 Posted August 19, 2014 I think what most people are really missing here is the complete loss of civil liberties that are occurring in this town. People can beat the straw man argument over race that this has become and thats what "they" want us to do because it takes away from what is really happening. Right to peacefully assemble disbanded Mandatory curfews Police going house to house without warrants Press being blocked and harassed and in some cases wrongfully detained People having tear gas fired at them while on their own private property Over militarized police state All this is happening while people turn it into a right vs left black vs white issue Minus the tear gas, this all happened during the manhunt for the Boston Marathon Bomber. Welcome to the party, pal. But you are way, way, way too late. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,714 Posted August 19, 2014 I wonder what golf course Obama is playing today? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bandrus1 413 Posted August 19, 2014 They earned all of those things themselves. Ain't no one be doin that in my hood. wtf does this even mean Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bandrus1 413 Posted August 19, 2014 Minus the tear gas, this all happened during the manhunt for the Boston Marathon Bomber. Welcome to the party, pal. But you are way, way, way too late. you are correct... and people just roll over for them.. at least in this case there is some form of push back Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,254 Posted August 19, 2014 you are correct... and people just roll over for them.. at least in this case there is some form of push back Yes, there is, and as they ruin these local businesses they can later complain about the lack of local jobs or business invenstment.....as you watch these people exit, for instance, the sporting goods store with armfuls of shoes, please know that due to the location if that owner has any insurance, it wont be enough to cover their losses. The actions are an extention of the crippling stupidity and immaturity of the people taking action, and I doubt these retards even live there, the people who actually live there are likely a smallish component of the overall group. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,714 Posted August 19, 2014 Yes, there is, and as they ruin these local businesses they can later complain about the lack of local jobs or business invenstment.....as you watch these people exit, for instance, the sporting goods store with armfuls of shoes, please know that due to the location if that owner has any insurance, it wont be enough to cover their losses. The actions are an extention of the crippling stupidity and immaturity of the people taking action, and I doubt these retards even live there, the people who actually live there are likely a smallish component of the overall group. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ferguson-protesters-the-peaceful-the-elders-the-looters-and-the-militants/2014/08/18/d6be1262-26f3-11e4-8593-da634b334390_story.html DeAndre Smith, fresh from looting the QuikTrip on a recent night, told reporters: “I’m proud of us. We deserve this, and this is what’s supposed to happen when there’s injustice in your community." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bandrus1 413 Posted August 19, 2014 Yes, there is, and as they ruin these local businesses they can later complain about the lack of local jobs or business invenstment.....as you watch these people exit, for instance, the sporting goods store with armfuls of shoes, please know that due to the location if that owner has any insurance, it wont be enough to cover their losses. The actions are an extention of the crippling stupidity and immaturity of the people taking action, and I doubt these retards even live there, the people who actually live there are likely a smallish component of the overall group. Again.. This is the bigger picture the media and powers that be are selling you.... Just like painting all of us as potential terrorists... They are painting every protester as a looter so people like you will say they all deserve it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crackattack 520 Posted August 19, 2014 This idea of calling people animals being racist is insane. If a white, black, yellow, orange (newbie), purple, any other color human that wants to loot, destroy, vandalize, riot and not peacefully protest. Guess what? You're an animal sorry. Act like animals you get called animals. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crackattack 520 Posted August 19, 2014 And yes it's a shame that certain news outlets use this stuff to race bait and ratchet up tensions. It's sad that people choose to side with the criminal first. I'm not saying side with the police every time first, but stop blaming race and police first before facts are out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bandrus1 413 Posted August 19, 2014 And yes it's a shame that certain news outlets use this stuff to race bait and ratchet up tensions. It's sad that people choose to side with the criminal first. I'm not saying side with the police every time first, but stop blaming race and police first before facts are out. The facts are out civil liberties are dying and people support it Right to peacefully assemble disbanded Mandatory curfews Police going house to house without warrants Press being blocked and harassed and in some cases wrongfully detained People having tear gas fired at them while on their own private property Over militarized police state Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crackattack 520 Posted August 19, 2014 The facts are out civil liberties are dying and people support it Right to peacefully assemble disbanded Mandatory curfews Police going house to house without warrants Press being blocked and harassed and in some cases wrongfully detained People having tear gas fired at them while on their own private property Over militarized police state And none of this would've happened if truly peaceful protests were taking place. The looting and rioting and vandalism are the reason for the curfew, increase police presence, national gaurd being called. Wouldn't you agree? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NorthernVike 2,087 Posted August 19, 2014 This idea of calling people animals being racist is insane. If a white, black, yellow, orange (newbie), purple, any other color human that wants to loot, destroy, vandalize, riot and not peacefully protest. Guess what? You're an animal sorry. Act like animals you get called animals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,059 Posted August 19, 2014 Cops often change their stories in these situation to make the shooting seem airtight justifiable. And can you really blame them? Yes they should tell the truth, but you have to look at it from their perspective, which is essentially that nearly all shootings are justifiable but the public doesn't fully appreciate that, so to avoid homicide charges or losing their career they fib a bit. And the folks doing the investigating of the shooting know this, and will often assist them in coming up with the best story to match the facts uncovered in the investigation. You get internal affairs agencies that are gung-ho about going after misconduct in some cities, but even the most aggressive IA agencies aren't looking to hang a murder on a fellow cop. The feds are less likely to do this though because they come from outside the agency. What concerns me about this case is that there was no attempt whatsoever to preserve the scene of the shooting and conduct an investigation that could yield reliable results. Maybe this was due to sheer incompetence but more likely they just didn't want much usable evidence coming from the scene, which should tell you something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bandrus1 413 Posted August 19, 2014 And none of this would've happened if truly peaceful protests were taking place. The looting and rioting and vandalism are the reason for the curfew, increase police presence, national gaurd being called. Wouldn't you agree? So that gives them the right to do this because there is a potential? Last I checked police are there to enforce laws that are being broken... Not enforce laws that could possibly be broken look at this BS https://twitter.com/amyknelson/status/5 ... 8960922624 https://twitter.com/amyknelson/status/5 ... 8216641536 https://twitter.com/amyknelson/status/5 ... 2596201472 you cant even walk across a street and are given .5 seconds to comply Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crackattack 520 Posted August 19, 2014 Cops often change their stories in these situation to make the shooting seem airtight justifiable. And can you really blame them? Yes they should tell the truth, but you have to look at it from their perspective, which is essentially that nearly all shootings are justifiable but the public doesn't fully appreciate that, so to avoid homicide charges or losing their career they fib a bit. And the folks doing the investigating of the shooting know this, and will often assist them in coming up with the best story to match the facts uncovered in the investigation. The Feds are less likely to do this though because they come from outside the agency. What concerns me about this case is that there was no attempt whatsoever to preserve the scene of the shooting and conduct an investigation that could yield reliable results. Maybe this was due to sheer incompetence but more likely they just didn't want much usable evidence coming from the scene, which should tell you something. Maybe worms, but those are opinions and assumptions. Maybe it wasn't preserved as well as other crime scenes, but maybe they had all the evidence they needed. They kid was killed by gunshot. What else needs to be preserved? This isn't a who done it type crime scene. The body wasn't tampered with. The scene wasn't corrupted. It's not like they staged the scene. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,059 Posted August 19, 2014 Re: the police state, I don't think the actions of a few (looting, etc.) justify the wholesale termination of civil liberties in an entire city. It puts the authorities in a tough spot to be sure, but the answer isn't to bust out the artillery and treat your neighborhood like a war zone in Iraq. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bandrus1 413 Posted August 19, 2014 its 2014 police departments can afford to take care of specialized military gear for the US govt but cant afford to equip each officer with a camera to capture every incident ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,254 Posted August 19, 2014 Again.. This is the bigger picture the media and powers that be are selling you.... Just like painting all of us as potential terrorists... They are painting every protester as a looter so people like you will say they all deserve it The media is not selling me on anything, esp not the notion that this a racial issue, or worthy of national attention, and certainly not that everyine is looting or a terrorist. As I stated, I thought quite clearly, that I do not think that Ferguson residents are really that involved here, I think yuo have people from other areas doing this, and hurting the locals. Keep in mind, behavingin this way, and asserting (as has been done) that only a conviction of the cop will win peace, is not goin to sell anywhere. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crackattack 520 Posted August 19, 2014 So that gives them the right to do this because there is a potential? Last I checked police are there to enforce laws that are being broken... Not enforce laws that could possibly be broken look at this BS https://twitter.com/amyknelson/status/5 ... 8960922624 https://twitter.com/amyknelson/status/5 ... 8216641536 https://twitter.com/amyknelson/status/5 ... 2596201472 you cant even walk across a street and are given .5 seconds to comply I'm not saying it isn't out of hand, but to me, and just my opinion, certain civil liberties go out the window when other people's livelihoods are being destroyed and or threatened. These types of problems always have innocent people suffer, but they also have criminals that get away with looting and vandalism. It's a take the good with the bad type situation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted August 19, 2014 I think what most people are really missing here is the complete loss of civil liberties that are occurring in this town. People can beat the straw man argument over race that this has become and thats what "they" want us to do because it takes away from what is really happening. Right to peacefully assemble disbanded Mandatory curfews Police going house to house without warrants Press being blocked and harassed and in some cases wrongfully detained People having tear gas fired at them while on their own private property Over militarized police state All this is happening while people turn it into a right vs left black vs white issue Few things...I think the right to peacefully assemble is being lost because of the non-peaceful actions of some of the posters. The whole, a few bad eggs can ruin...blah blah blah. The rest of what is happening I would agree with a major overstepping of bounds by authorities. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,254 Posted August 19, 2014 Re: the police state, I don't think the actions of a few (looting, etc.) justify the wholesale termination of civil liberties in an entire city. It puts the authorities in a tough spot to be sure, but the answer isn't to bust out the artillery and treat your neighborhood like a war zone in Iraq. It is the job of authorities to protect, and there are enough people conducting looting and other manner of destruction to justify taking the actions to protect the people attempting to live their lives peaceably. WHile you may disagree with this, it is the right thing to do, if people stop their illegal activities, and stick to the protest, there is no need. The people who live there, and own businesses deserve protection, regardless of the number of people denying THEM their civil rights. Given the conext of the situation, the police would be foolish to not approach this in the manner they have. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,059 Posted August 19, 2014 its 2014 police departments can afford to take care of specialized military gear for the US govt but cant afford to equip each officer with a camera to capture every incident ? It's a matter of priorities. They could have bodycams (or AT LEAST dashboard cams...Jesus) but they'd rather spend their money on military style equipment so they can feel all awesome rolling around their own frigging town like it's a war zone in a country ruled by despots. Sad Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crackattack 520 Posted August 19, 2014 What do people want the police to do? How should they handle the rioting, looting, vandalism? Send a couple of cops out there and let them only use some harsh words or stern warnings? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted August 19, 2014 This idea of calling people animals being racist is insane. If a white, black, yellow, orange (newbie), purple, any other color human that wants to loot, destroy, vandalize, riot and not peacefully protest. Guess what? You're an animal sorry. Act like animals you get called animals. I would agree just limiting it to looters is not racist. That is not exactly how all have used the term...and they are using that term for a reason (that has little to do with it being looters...they are baiting and they know it). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted August 19, 2014 I can't believe the number of people on this bored that will take the werd of a bunch of animals over that of a police officer. If you live in an area where the cops are that dirty, you should prolly move. The post where "animals" wasn't just used for the looters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,059 Posted August 19, 2014 What do people want the police to do? How should they handle the rioting, looting, vandalism? Send a couple of cops out there and let them only use some harsh words or stern warnings? Well for starters they should not be arresting or harassing journalists. That's just a given. From there, I can't really tell you. Part of it is they turn this into a pissing match where they want their authority recognized -- instead of setting curfews and trying to disburse gatherings wholesale, why not take more of a containment approach? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bandrus1 413 Posted August 19, 2014 What do people want the police to do? How should they handle the rioting, looting, vandalism? Send a couple of cops out there and let them only use some harsh words or stern warnings? arrest people for actually crimes that they witness occurring and not take preventative measures that overstep the constitutional rights of individuals who is a looter? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,254 Posted August 19, 2014 What do people want the police to do? How should they handle the rioting, looting, vandalism? Send a couple of cops out there and let them only use some harsh words or stern warnings? Of course, and when the cops are mauled we have to understand the anger that led to it and just accept it..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillybear 366 Posted August 19, 2014 Ferguson Missouri....Branson Missouri.....Yakov Smirnoff owns Branson Missouri....Russian.....civil unrest and weapons...Sharpton.....Dixon....Putin.....East Ukraine.....reporters arrested...CNN...Malaysian plane...another Malaysian plane.....missiles.....Johnny Football....Lebron James....James Brown movie...Michael Brown Quick, somebody get me a poster board, a world map, a ball of string and a bunch of thumbtacks. I might be onto something big and I've just about put it all together. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crackattack 520 Posted August 19, 2014 The post where "animals" wasn't just used for the looters. I don't see in that post anything that say innocent, peaceful, law abiding people are animals either. Maybe it's meant to mean the looters, rioters, law breakers. Maybe the people making that leap have the race issues Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crackattack 520 Posted August 19, 2014 Well for starters they should not be arresting or harassing journalists. That's just a given. From there, I can't really tell you. Part of it is they turn this into a pissing match where they want their authority recognized -- instead of setting curfews and trying to disburse gatherings wholesale, why not take more of a containment approach? Obviously on the reporter issue. Have the police not done the containment stance? Have the police not said the could peacefully protest? What about the innocent store owners? What about the innocent bystanders? Do we just say sorry to them? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bandrus1 413 Posted August 19, 2014 wtf is a containment approach... section off areas of protest? This is America you can protest wherever you want as long as it is peaceful Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted August 19, 2014 I don't see in that post anything that say innocent, peaceful, law abiding people are animals either. Maybe it's meant to mean the looters, rioters, law breakers. Maybe the people making that leap have the race issues By why even use the term animal...unless trying to bait in this case? There is no reason to use it in the sentence quoted...none at all. Whether its to make someone bring up race...or whatever...and its not limited to this board. Its done all the time. I don't think its a huge leap given the word being used and the context of taking the word of "animals" over police officers. As if the looters' opinions have been discussed in this thread. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NorthernVike 2,087 Posted August 19, 2014 :cry: race baiter Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NorthernVike 2,087 Posted August 19, 2014 wtf is a containment approach... section off areas of protest? This is America you can protest wherever you want as long as it is peaceful How about trying to limit the damage these animals can do? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillybear 366 Posted August 19, 2014 wtf is a containment approach... section off areas of protest? This is America you can protest wherever you want as long as it is peaceful Nope. The Westboro Baptist church is constantly getting hassled in trying to protest wherever they want and sometimes they are forced to be a long way away from where they wanted to picket. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted August 19, 2014 wtf is a containment approach... section off areas of protest? This is America you can protest wherever you want as long as it is peaceful It hasn't all been peaceful though has it? And when does the safety of both the police and protesters and bystanmders become the issue? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
