Sobering experiment

[MTSkiBum 1,626]

Well, Jerryskids is a rocket scientist.

 

He is a civil engineer. Civil engineers are to real engineers like podiatrists are to real doctors

[penultimatestraw 473]

But see, if you do die at 64, it likely won't be a quick keel over, bit a lengthy, painful deterioration.

This. I've never had a cirrhotic express pleasure with the outcome of pickling their liver.

[penultimatestraw 473]

 

He is a civil engineer. Civil engineers are to real engineers like podiatrists are to real doctors

He called himself a rocket scientist IIRC. But you're right about podiatrists, chiropractors, DOs, etc.

[frank 2,348]

We have. Alcohol is metabolized into ketone bodies, which can be used as fuel, like carbs, but it also promotes the formation of triglycerides.

Everyone knows alcohol is metabolized into awesomeness and promotes the formation of coolness poindexter.

[jerryskids 7,118]

 

He is a civil engineer. Civil engineers are to real engineers like podiatrists are to real doctors

Slap yourself in the head with one of those fish in your avatar; I'm an electrical engineer.

 

 

He called himself a rocket scientist IIRC. But you're right about podiatrists, chiropractors, DOs, etc.

I work in the aerospace industry on airplane engines. I've commented that I joke with my daughter about being a "rocket scientist" and she likes to correct me that I am an "airplane engineer."

[BunnysBastatrds 2,642]

I hope you know I didn't say any of those things to hurt you. Quite the opposite... If I didn't care, I probably wouldn't have said anything. As a matter of fact, I still debated on whether or not to speak up, as I didn't want to offend either of you. But I'm not the kind of person who likes to sweep things under the rug. A good friend will tell you like it is, not what you want to hear.

 

I hope you understand where I'm coming from and don' t take it personally.

No offense takin here Darlin. I know where I am in life. I play hard for a reason I'll not share here. It is what it is. As selfish as I am, I do things in life that most don't. It's a give and take that I'm comfortable with. As much time that I give to my guilty pleasures, I make up for them in my own special way.

 

My life may seem sad to some. Have I come to understand my weaknesses? You bet. Is my life all about me? Yup. Will I regret that one day? Probably. But this is my life. And I'm enjoying it. To do otherwise is to be a miserable soul trying to find its way through a matrix of bad experiences bordering on extreme boredom trying to get through life's way. I'd rather die living the way I choose than die living a person I am not. Alcohol gives me the freedom to be me and no one can take that away unless I choose it to be.

 

Thanks for the advice though. I really do appreciate it. I was in an AA meeting a few years back. A man who had been sober 30 years said "Were not here because we hate this stuff!"

[jerryskids 7,118]

No offense takin here Darlin. I know where I am in life. I play hard for a reason I'll not share here. It is what it is. As selfish as I am, I do things in life that most don't. It's a give and take that I'm comfortable with. As much time that I give to my guilty pleasures, I make up for them in my own special way.

 

My life may seem sad to some. Have I come to understand my weaknesses? You bet. Is my life all about me? Yup. Will I regret that one day? Probably. But this is my life. And I'm enjoying it. To do otherwise is to be a miserable soul trying to find its way through a matrix of bad experiences bordering on extreme boredom trying to get through life's way. I'd rather die living the way I choose than die living a person I am not. Alcohol gives me the freedom to be me and no one can take that away unless I choose it to be.

 

Thanks for the advice though. I really do appreciate it. I was in an AA meeting a few years back. A man who had been sober 30 years said "Were not here because we hate this stuff!"

For what it's worth, I've never thought that you thought your life was all about you. You seem to really love your daughter, and people in general. You seem like a guy who'd drop everything and go spend a day helping someone out, which is more than most could say.

 

I'd love to hear the reason you play hard, but that is up to you to share.

[OldMaid 2,136]

For what it's worth, I've never thought that you thought your life was all about you. You seem to really love your daughter, and people in general. You seem like a guy who'd drop everything and go spend a day helping someone out, which is more than most could say.

 

I'd love to hear the reason you play hard, but that is up to you to share.

When I said selfish, I didn't mean in general. They're both great guys in that regard. But in terms of what they're doing to themselves and their families...

 

Meh... I'm going to get off the soapbox now. It just drives me up a wall to see people on the path to self destruction and not doing anything about it. And people acting like it's ok.

[jerryskids 7,118]

When I said selfish, I didn't mean in general. They're both great guys in that regard. But in terms of what they're doing to themselves and their families...

 

Meh... I'm going to get off the soapbox now. It just drives me up a wall to see people on the path to self destruction and not doing anything about it. And people acting like it's ok.

That's awesome and all, but remarkably my post wasn't in response to you. I was commenting on his statement that his life was all about him. I was hoping to hear why he chooses to play hard, but we can make this thread about you if you want.

[OldMaid 2,136]

That's awesome and all, but remarkably my post wasn't in response to you. I was commenting on his statement that his life was all about him. I was hoping to hear why he chooses to play hard, but we can make this thread about you if you want.

Well, since I was the one to originally bring up the selfishness... I figured it was one of your stupid attempts to be a smug a$$hole.

 

And... if you weren't so self involved... you'd know he's posted here about some of the things that are probably at the root of his problem.

[jerryskids 7,118]

Well, since I was the one to originally bring up the selfishness... I figured it was one of your stupid attempts to be a smug a$$hole.

 

And... if you weren't so self involved... you'd know he's posted here about some of the things that are probably at the root of his problem.

Absolutely nothing about my reply to him was smug ass-holishness, so thanks for nothing. Also I know he has touched on things which may be the root of the problem, and I was hoping he would want to discuss them in more detail to reach some catharsis, but now I understand that it is more important that you come off as knowing shiot.

[OldMaid 2,136]

Absolutely nothing about my reply to him was smug ass-holishness, so thanks for nothing. Also I know he has touched on things which may be the root of the problem, and I was hoping he would want to discuss them in more detail to reach some catharsis, but now I understand that it is more important that you come off as knowing shiot.

Since Bunny and I talk quite frequently, yeah... I'm think it safe to say I know some sh!t. I've actually been concerned about his welfare on more than one occasion. But if you'd rather pick a fight with me... I guess that says something about your character.

 

 

Just stop and go back to your own drinking problem, mmmkay?

[jerryskids 7,118]

Since Bunny and I talk quite frequently, yeah... I'm think it safe to say I know some sh!t. I've actually been concerned about his welfare on more than one occasion. But if you'd rather pick a fight with me... I guess that says something about your character.

 

 

Just stop and go back to your own drinking problem, mmmkay?

Burp$#@!#@!$#@!

 

 

Well, since I was the one to originally bring up the selfishness... I figured it was one of your stupid attempts to be a smug a$$hole.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

I preferred the jerry/TNG slapfights, for the record

[IGotWorms 4,063]

No offense takin here Darlin. I know where I am in life. I play hard for a reason I'll not share here. It is what it is. As selfish as I am, I do things in life that most don't. It's a give and take that I'm comfortable with. As much time that I give to my guilty pleasures, I make up for them in my own special way.

 

My life may seem sad to some. Have I come to understand my weaknesses? You bet. Is my life all about me? Yup. Will I regret that one day? Probably. But this is my life. And I'm enjoying it. To do otherwise is to be a miserable soul trying to find its way through a matrix of bad experiences bordering on extreme boredom trying to get through life's way. I'd rather die living the way I choose than die living a person I am not. Alcohol gives me the freedom to be me and no one can take that away unless I choose it to be.

 

Thanks for the advice though. I really do appreciate it. I was in an AA meeting a few years back. A man who had been sober 30 years said "Were not here because we hate this stuff!"

Holy hell that is the most alcoholic thing I have ever heard someone say/seen someone type. I am not trying to attack you here, I just think you need serious professional help with this issue

[BunnysBastatrds 2,642]

Holy hell that is the most alcoholic thing I have ever heard someone say/seen someone type. I am not trying to attack you here, I just think you need serious professional help with this issue

Outside my ability to make every one tell the truth with my majic lasso that I stole from Wonder Woman in the early 80's, you have no idea who I am! Or where I've been. Or where I'll go. If I die tomorrow, I'll know I lived life to the fullest. If it's a shortened one, I can love with that. And live with it.

 

Shoot to Thrill!!! I can't get enough of living. Have no patience for dying. Or believing that there is a middle. Those that do are living on borrowed time. And that's sad time. Ho hum is not in my vernacular.

[mobb_deep 920]

That's so poetic, man. Far out.

[shotsup 835]

I tried this a year or two ago and now both of them pretty much hate me. But good luck, you are in the right here

I do not hate you wormy. I do not remember you trying to get me sober or whatever.

[mobb_deep 920]

I do not hate you wormy. I do not remember you trying to get me sober or whatever.

Alcoholism causes memory loss.

[BunnysBastatrds 2,642]

Alcoholism causes memory loss.

And ?

[shotsup 835]

I hope you know I didn't say any of those things to hurt you. Quite the opposite... If I didn't care, I probably wouldn't have said anything. As a matter of fact, I still debated on whether or not to speak up, as I didn't want to offend either of you. But I'm not the kind of person who likes to sweep things under the rug. A good friend will tell you like it is, not what you want to hear.

 

I hope you understand where I'm coming from and don' t take it personally.

As I said earlier thank you for your thoughtful comments.

[shotsup 835]

Alcoholism causes memory loss.

?? What ??

[BunnysBastatrds 2,642]

?? What ??

?

[OldMaid 2,136]

I preferred the jerry/TNG slapfights, for the record

Me too.

[OldMaid 2,136]

As I said earlier thank you for your thoughtful comments.

Ok... good. I thought for a moment you were being sarcastic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[shotsup 835]

Ok... good. I thought for a moment you were being sarcastic.

Hell no

[shotsup 835]

?

I do not remember

[TD Ryan2 316]

That makes sense, and is probably consistent with the way many handle alcohol. Never having been drunk, can't really understand the progression, but I'm guessing the "high" of being intoxicated becomes less enjoyable over time, relative to the aftermath of hangovers, interpersonal conflict, etc.

Drunk is a tough word. Legally drunk? Probably once a month for me. No longer in control of yourself drunk? Not in years.

The "high" of alcohol to me is best when you find the buzz sweet spot and maintain it - going past it makes me tired. I know that 3or4 drinks over a 2-3 hour span will give me the sweet spot I'm looking for. That sweet spot is where I'm still fully in control and mentally sharp, but inhibitions are dulled and social situations seem even easier. The sweet spot is perfect for golf, billiards, dinner parties, and even late night with the Mrs.

[penultimatestraw 473]

Outside my ability to make every one tell the truth with my majic lasso that I stole from Wonder Woman in the early 80's, you have no idea who I am! Or where I've been. Or where I'll go. If I die tomorrow, I'll know I lived life to the fullest. If it's a shortened one, I can love with that. And live with it.

 

Shoot to Thrill!!! I can't get enough of living. Have no patience for dying. Or believing that there is a middle. Those that do are living on borrowed time. And that's sad time. Ho hum is not in my vernacular.

I agree with your general philosophy - time is the most precious currency in life, so we need to maximize doing the things we love. This becomes an issue when the things we love will limit our life span, however. Do you think life can be thoroughly enjoyed/lived to the fullest without alcohol?

[penultimatestraw 473]

Drunk is a tough word. Legally drunk? Probably once a month for me. No longer in control of yourself drunk? Not in years.

The "high" of alcohol to me is best when you find the buzz sweet spot and maintain it - going past it makes me tired. I know that 3or4 drinks over a 2-3 hour span will give me the sweet spot I'm looking for. That sweet spot is where I'm still fully in control and mentally sharp, but inhibitions are dulled and social situations seem even easier. The sweet spot is perfect for golf, billiards, dinner parties, and even late night with the Mrs.

The few times I've felt the effects of alcohol, I never "buzzed" at all. Just felt tired and medicine-headed, like taking an antihistamine. Exactly the same as if I consumed a couple Benadryl. Also not a fan of big social situations, and don't really feel too inhibited around groups of friends.

 

Alcohol doesn't affect everyone the same way, of course, but I wonder how much of the experience if biologic, and how much is the desire to forget/decrease our individual stressors. I choose physical activity to address the latter, which has other benefits that alcohol will never provide.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

Just saw an interesting article on LinkedIn and I thought of you drunks. Not sure whether the link will work to LinkedIn.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/article/20141118134649-20017018-do-the-top-10-percent-drink-you-under-the-table

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/09/25/think-you-drink-a-lot-this-chart-will-tell-you/

 

...

 

First there was a pretty dry (intentional, albeit weak, pun) survey on alcohol consumption in the U.S. conducted by the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism. Then Philip Cook performed a little data analysis, broke down alcohol consumption per week into deciles, and voila! dull is now fascinating. (For more info and a handy chart check out Christopher Ingraham's article in The Washington Post.)

 

...

 

Let's check out Philip's results:

The bottom three deciles, or 30% of Americans, say they don't drink at all. That figure could be a little high since some people probably say they don't drink but occasionally do but let's go with it.

The fourth decile consumes .02 drinks per week. Since it's likely no one is doing shots from eyedroppers that's about a drink a year. (Birthday? New Years?)

 

...

 

But let's say you've never met a list you didn't try to top and your goal is to break into the tenth decile so you can be in the top 10% of American drinkers.

 

Here's what it takes to join that club:

The tenth decile consumes 73.85 drinks per week. Yep. Over 73 drinks a week. That's 10 drinks a day. Forget a glass or two of wine with dinner; you need to drink roughly two bottles of wine with dinner. Forget a couple of beers; you need to pound down close to a 12-pack of beer every day to qualify. (Tell me your bladder -- and your wallet -- aren't cringing at the thought.)

 

Some basic conclusions:

The median consumption is 3 drinks per week among those who do drink (tossing out the 30% who don't drink at all.) That means...

The top 10% of drinkers account for more than half of all alcohol consumed in the U.S. And that means...

According to Cook, "... the heaviest drinkers are of greatly disproportionate importance to the sales and profitability of the alcoholic beverage industry. If the top decile could be induced to curb their consumption to that of the next lower group (the ninth decile) then total ethanol sales would fall by 60%."

[IGotWorms 4,063]

In other words, bunny and shotsup are singlehandedly keeping an industry alive

[BunnysBastatrds 2,642]

In other words, bunny and shotsup are singlehandedly keeping an industry alive

I am doing my part.

 

Got a random prerecorded call at work today for a 30 day treatment program. I then had a banner on here for the same. I then had Tool come on the radio playing Sober followed by a commercial for the company that called in the promotional call that morning. Then found out a friend of mine died during a liver transplant who was 52. And then started having kidney pains as I write this nonsense. Coincidence? Or a sign!

 

BTFW. I'll have 14 ounces in me by the time I go to bed here soon. And I stepped on the ball.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Outside my ability to make every one tell the truth with my majic lasso that I stole from Wonder Woman in the early 80's, you have no idea who I am! Or where I've been. Or where I'll go. If I die tomorrow, I'll know I lived life to the fullest. If it's a shortened one, I can love with that. And live with it.

 

Shoot to Thrill!!! I can't get enough of living. Have no patience for dying. Or believing that there is a middle. Those that do are living on borrowed time. And that's sad time. Ho hum is not in my vernacular.

No offense, and voice of my focking business, but I gotta call bullshiot. Nobody drinks that much on a daily basis because they are having such a great time. You are either drinking to mask something, or just using "eat drink and be merry" as an excuse to justify an addiction that you feel it can't beat.

 

But who the fock am I to talk, I'm a 280 pound pack a day smoker worth a dead marriage, so carry on.

[BunnysBastatrds 2,642]

No offense, and voice of my focking business, but I gotta call bullshiot. Nobody drinks that much on a daily basis because they are having such a great time. You are either drinking to mask something, or just using "eat drink and be merry" as an excuse to justify an addiction that you feel it can't beat.

 

But who the fock am I to talk, I'm a 280 pound pack a day smoker worth a dead marriage, so carry on.

14 a day my friend. Sobering thought. Might be time to consider my options. Damn!

[shotsup 835]

No offense, and voice of my focking business, but I gotta call bullshiot. Nobody drinks that much on a daily basis because they are having such a great time. You are either drinking to mask something, or just using "eat drink and be merry" as an excuse to justify an addiction that you feel it can't beat.

 

But who the fock am I to talk, I'm a 280 pound pack a day smoker worth a dead marriage, so carry on.

Nope. Thoroughly enjoy it. Cigs are gonna kill you dude. As for FatPats post - yes my wallet feels it !!!

Still haven't actually kept a tally as wifey wants but no doubt it is in the 14 range as article said.

[Frank M 181]

Holy hell that is the most alcoholic thing I have ever heard someone say/seen someone type. I am not trying to attack you here, I just think you need serious professional help with this issue

 

I'm an alcoholic, and I can tell you that I hear that or variations of it all the time. People who are not alcoholic don't say that sort of thing.

 

When you've reached the point in your drinking where you believe that you can't be yourself without a drink, you're an alcoholic.

[BunnysBastatrds 2,642]

 Still kickin

[MikeMatt 413]

1 hour ago, BunnysBastatrds said:

 Still kickin

That was a tough read. 

[BunnysBastatrds 2,642]

34 minutes ago, MikeMatt said:

That was a tough read. 

 Awww sh!ot. Sorry bro.