NFL: 11 of 12 Pat's balls under inflated.

[FeelingMN 273]

It is my personal belief that the refs didn't really inspect the PSI before the game started and that they were underinflated at that time.

 

 

That may be your theory but I'm not sure why. Do you have any actual support for that? Don't you think you would by now if that is in fact what occurred?

[HenryHill9323 65]

I'm still waiting for Worms to explain how his "It was atmospheric conditions" theory works.

[HenryHill9323 65]

If you think that your opinion as to "integrity" makes a rat's ass of difference to any reasonable person then you are even more delusional than I thought.

 

 

http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2015/1/23/7877193/patriots-deflategate-poll-lolololol-new-england

[MDC 7,889]

It is sounding indisputable that somebody deliberately tampered with the game balls. Maybe it was the equipment manager or an over zealous ball boy, who knows? I doubt we ever will. Seems like it would have had to be intentional though.

 

Given the Pats history of gamesmanship outside the rules a fine and loss of draft pick(s) is the likely outcome here.

[NewbieJr 541]

It's day 6 of the investigation. I'm pretty sure the first question asked on the first day was directed towards Walt Coleman. "Did you do your job and check the game balls prior to the game?". Had the answer been no, it would have been the shortest investigation in the history of investigations. Since it's day 6, Worms is going to have to switch back to the atmospheric pressure on half the field theory.

[Sho Nuff 720]

It is my personal belief that the refs didn't really inspect the PSI before the game started and that they were underinflated at that time.

 

Is it really your contention that someone manually under inflated eleven game balls on the sidelines of a conference championship game without anyone noticing? Without anyone catching it on video or anything? Without some lowly ball boy cracking and admitting that he tampered with the footballs?

 

Which one is crazier?

 

Wait...so the NFL is just lying when it says it inspected the balls before?

 

Its my contention that a team did do that..whether by direction of the coach or QB (because no assistant is just doing that on his own).

There is time between when the refs inspect, and they come out ...its possible to be done.

 

I think claiming the NFL is lying about their procedures is crazier than a team doing something to gain an advantage (a team that has been caught skirting the rules in the past to gain an advantage).

[Sho Nuff 720]

And Worms wonders why we call him a fake lawyer. Better get 1 Pats fan on the jury.

 

I don't think he wonders why a bunch of hacks call him a fake lawyer.

Probably wonders why a group of you follow him around every where he goes though.

[kutulu 1,705]

TI'm starting to think they inflated them in a nice and warm part of the Locker room. Not their fault they tend to deflate when exposed to cold air. patriots just found a weakness in the rule and exploit it. Still a terrible pr and image problem due to their actual past instances of cheating

[jerryskids 7,085]

It's day 6 of the investigation. I'm pretty sure the first question asked on the first day was directed towards Walt Coleman. "Did you do your job and check the game balls prior to the game?". Had the answer been no, it would have been the shortest investigation in the history of investigations. Since it's day 6, Worms is going to have to switch back to the atmospheric pressure on half the field theory.

Well, to play devil's advocate, I think there is a (very) small chance that the officials are doing a bit of CYA on this. Although if they did even a squeeze test you would think they could notice a 15% reduction in pressure, otherwise it is a pretty useless test. I wonder if there is a written log of the inflation results? If not, you can bet there will be next year.

 

That being said, if that were the case, I would think Brady would have said something like "hey, I like the balls on the low end of the inflation scale, so we like to submit them a little low (kinda like Rodgers liking them a little high). If the officials think it is too low they inflate them." That is a statement of innocence, at least against the charge of altering them after the inspection. Then again, if you are lawyered up the best advice is usually to say nothing...

 

On another note, has anyone discussed the 12th ball? Why would one be left as regulation? Was there any special marking on that ball?

[Sho Nuff 720]

the 12th ball?

 

Will the Pats start raising a 12th ball flag?

[HenryHill9323 65]

 

On another note, has anyone discussed the 12th ball? Why would one be left as regulation? Was there any special marking on that ball?

 

I read a report, which I think someone here has linked, that the 12th ball was also under inflated but not by the 2psi the other 11 were.

 

Maybe the cow that ball was made from used sunscreen, or ate something that rendered his leather immune to atmospheric changes.

[drobeski 3,061]

Serious question ?

 

Who is more likely to lie ? Who had more to lose ?

The part time ref who would most likely be fired if its found out didn't do a proper job of inspecting the balls or the multi million dollar married to richest super model on the planet qb who at most will get a fine/and or a suspension ?

 

 

Pretty easy choice in this one.

[drobeski 3,061]

Another very real possibility is the balls were filled with warmed air.

Would easily explain the pressure loss in a two hour period.

[Mike Honcho 5,435]

All kidding aside, I'm starting to think that if it's shown Brady had any connection with this, he should be suspended from the SB. In any sport, tampering with the equipment equates to a suspension, cork a bat, you are sitting for 7 games. As minor as the infraction is, if someone intentionally broke rules & tampered with inspected/approved footballs, then a suspension should be levied.

[Mike Honcho 5,435]

Serious question ?

 

Who is more likely to lie ? Who had more to lose ?

The part time ref who would most likely be fired if its found out didn't do a proper job of inspecting the balls or the multi million dollar married to richest super model on the planet qb who at most will get a fine/and or a suspension ?

 

 

Pretty easy choice in this one.

 

Yeah, the QB with millions in endorsements, possible SB suspension had nothing to lose.

[drobeski 3,061]

 

Yeah, the QB with millions in endorsements, possible SB suspension had nothing to lose.

does the ref ?

[Mike Honcho 5,435]

does the ref ?

 

You asked who had MORE to lose, Brady clearly does...not the guy working a part time job.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

The warm air thing is a possibility. Maybe a good one. Wouldn't really be cheating though, would it? Gaming the system, sure, but every focking team in the league does that

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Then again if the balls were inordinately warm you'd think the refs would've noticed that too

[jerryskids 7,085]

The warm air thing is a possibility. Maybe a good one. Wouldn't really be cheating though, would it? Gaming the system, sure, but every focking team in the league does that

 

It's on the cheating spectrum, but IMO much less egregious than doctoring the balls after the inspection.

[MDC 7,889]

Well, to play devil's advocate, I think there is a (very) small chance that the officials are doing a bit of CYA on this. Although if they did even a squeeze test you would think they could notice a 15% reduction in pressure, otherwise it is a pretty useless test. I wonder if there is a written log of the inflation results? If not, you can bet there will be next year.

 

That being said, if that were the case, I would think Brady would have said something like "hey, I like the balls on the low end of the inflation scale, so we like to submit them a little low (kinda like Rodgers liking them a little high). If the officials think it is too low they inflate them." That is a statement of innocence, at least against the charge of altering them after the inspection. Then again, if you are lawyered up the best advice is usually to say nothing...

 

On another note, has anyone discussed the 12th ball? Why would one be left as regulation? Was there any special marking on that ball?

I'm thinking that would be the kicking / punting ball.

[drobeski 3,061]

 

You asked who had MORE to lose, Brady clearly does...not the guy working a part time job.

I don't believe so, I'm pretty sure Brady has a little more job security than any ref. But then again I'm not a retarded this is our super bowl moment eagles fan.

[jerryskids 7,085]

I'm thinking that would be the kicking / punting ball.

There is a different, special set of kicking/punting balls.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

 

It's on the cheating spectrum, but IMO much less egregious than doctoring the balls after the inspection.

I'd think it would hardly register on the spectrum. Certainly well below PEDs and plenty of other things we know happen on a regular basis throughout the league. Hell I'd even put it below the times Belichick gets cute with the injury report

[MDC 7,889]

There is a different, special set of kicking/punting balls.

Was the properly inflated one that ball? I really don't know.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

I'm thinking that would be the kicking / punting ball.

There are six if those and they're kept by the refs separate from all the other balls. Somebody hasn't been paying much attention

[kutulu 1,705]

There's nothing about the temperature in the rule, just pressure

[Mike Honcho 5,435]

I don't believe so, I'm pretty sure Brady has a little more job security than any ref. But then again I'm not a retarded this is our super bowl moment eagles fan.

 

Who is more likely to lie ? Who had more to lose ?

 

The answer to both questions is Brady, not a guy working a part-time job.

 

And don't sell yourself short, you might not be an Eagles fan, but you are clearly retarded.

[MDC 7,889]

There are six if those and they're kept by the refs separate from all the other balls. Somebody hasn't been paying much attention

That's true, the Pats cheating again is more a source of amusement than something I care to read a whole lot about.

[HenryHill9323 65]

Another very real possibility is the balls were filled with warmed air.

Would easily explain the pressure loss in a two hour period.

That is still cheating, and wouldn't be done without Brady's knowledge.

 

Timmy boy is pig tails deep in this mud.

[drobeski 3,061]

That is still cheating, and wouldn't be done without Brady's knowledge.

 

Timmy boy is pig tails deep in this mud.

he's more deep into his prep for his amazing record 6th Superbowl

 

Link to rule that using warm air is illegal ?

[NewbieJr 541]

he's more deep into his prep for his amazing record 6th Superbowl

 

Link to rule that using warm air is illegal ?

Although the warm air theory is no doubt just the latest in desperate Pate fans attempts at explaining away yet another example of why their legacy is a fraud, even if that WERE the explanation, it would still be just another example of Belichick and Co. needing to resort to trickery to try to get an unfair advantage over their opponents. It's sad what that franchise has become.

[drobeski 3,061]

Although the warm air theory is no doubt just the latest in desperate Pate fans attempts at explaining away yet another example of why their legacy is a fraud, even if that WERE the explanation, it would still be just another example of Belichick and Co. needing to resort to trickery to try to get an unfair advantage over their opponents. It's sad what that franchise has become.

yes they needed that in that game

[Mike Honcho 5,435]

I eagerly await the investigation results of Ballghazi.

[kutulu 1,705]

Adam Schefter reported on SportsCenter that the NFL is having trouble finding evidence that the Patriots tampered with footballs. A team found heating footballs in a sauna probably could put together a compelling argument that it didnt know doing so was against any league rules, since its not listed in the lengthy rulebook. Only altering footballs after an official check is barred.Read more at: http://nesn.com/2015/01/patriots-deflategate-controversy-could-be-explained-by-scientific-theory/2/

[NewbieJr 541]

yes they needed that in that game

ROFL. Yeah, because this was the only game they did it.

[Mike Honcho 5,435]

Adam Schefter reported on SportsCenter that the NFL is having trouble finding evidence that the Patriots tampered with footballs. A team found heating footballs in a sauna probably could put together a compelling argument that it didnt know doing so was against any league rules, since its not listed in the lengthy rulebook. Only altering footballs after an official check is barred.Read more at: http://nesn.com/2015/01/patriots-deflategate-controversy-could-be-explained-by-scientific-theory/2/

 

All I know is this has been one ballbuster of a controversy.

[HenryHill9323 65]

Belicheat is back on the TV doing his Sgt. Schultz impression again.

[HenryHill9323 65]

HOLY FUKK!

 

Belicheat is going with the "atmospheric conditions" excuse. He also threw in "equilibrium" of the ball, whateverthefukk that is.

[Mike Honcho 5,435]

Guess the ball is now in the NFL's court.