NFL: 11 of 12 Pat's balls under inflated.

[FeelingMN 273]

Next up for BB the science guy, determining what species this is.

 

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[IGotWorms 4,063]

Weird how we don't have all the information necessary to show the Cheatriots didn't get caught cheating again, yet you claim they didn't.

 

Furthermore, you have blamed the weather, NFL, the media, the Colts, and Ravens for all of this.........without the "information necessary" to make those claims.

 

It fun watching you meltdown over this. You can't keep track of your floundering.

The onus is on those claiming cheating to prove it. Isn't that how it should be?

[HenryHill9323 65]

The onus is on those claiming cheating to prove it. Isn't that how it should be?

All evidence so far indicates cheating by your team. But as long as we are on the subject of "the onus is on those claiming" something.......Howsabout you prove your claim it was the weather that deflated the Cheatriots balls 2 psi, yet didn't affect the Colts balls.

 

I'll hang up and listen.....

[drobeski 3,061]

All evidence so far indicates cheating by your team. But as long as we are on the subject of "the onus is on those claiming" something.......Howsabout you prove your claim it was the weather that deflated the Cheatriots balls 2 psi, yet didn't affect the Colts balls.

 

I'll hang up and listen.....

evidence so far ?

Get over it ya panzy, the pats are great and you and the whine brigade got nothing. Its your worst fear. The pats are clean. They always have been ...oooh except video taping signals in front of 80k like the cowboys and everyone else was doing. What a pathetic hypocritical existence. All all NFC east fans such whine bag jealous focks ?

Sure seems it here.

[HenryHill9323 65]

Methinks Cheatriots fans doth protest too much.

[drobeski 3,061]

Methinks Cheatriots fans doth protest too much.

we celebrate the most

[Sho Nuff 720]

evidence so far ?

Get over it ya panzy, the pats are great and you and the whine brigade got nothing. Its your worst fear. The pats are clean. They always have been ...oooh except video taping signals in front of 80k like the cowboys and everyone else was doing. What a pathetic hypocritical existence. All all NFC east fans such whine bag jealous focks ?

Sure seems it here.

 

You seem to be whining more than anyone.

 

Haters liberals jealousy

 

Leave Tommy and Bill alone

 

BTW...why would I be jealous...still waiting for that one.

[Sho Nuff 720]

we celebrate the most

 

Been quite a while since you celebrated anything.

I don't think ed had even killed a kid yet the last time the Pats won it all.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

 

You seem to be whining more than anyone.

 

Haters liberals jealousy

 

Leave Tommy and Bill alone

 

BTW...why would I be jealous...still waiting for that one.

Because your coach has no balls?

[Sho Nuff 720]

Because your coach has no balls?

 

Nope...still not jealous.

That coach without balls beat NE this year...and has won a SB more recently than ol Bill.

QB...not to shabby with Favre and Rodgers back to back.

Team history...not even close.

Yeah...not a twinge of jealousy at all over that team.

[HenryHill9323 65]

evidence so far ?

Get over it ya panzy, the pats are great and you and the whine brigade got nothing. Its your worst fear. The pats are clean. They always have been ...oooh except video taping signals in front of 80k like the cowboys and everyone else was doing. What a pathetic hypocritical existence. All all NFC east fans such whine bag jealous focks ?

Sure seems it here.

Not sure why a Cowboy fan would be jealous of the Cheatriots.

 

We are 7-4 against the Cheatriots head to head, and if the Cheatriots manage to cheat their way to another Lombardi trophy they will still be one behind the Cowboys 5 Championships, and ours have no ***

 

:first: :first:

[drobeski 3,061]

Not sure why a Cowboy fan would be jealous of the Cheatriots.

 

We are 7-4 against the Cheatriots head to head, and if the Cheatriots manage to cheat their way to another Lombardi trophy they will still be one behind the Cowboys 5 Championships, and ours have no ***

 

:first:

how the boys doing in the pro bowl ? Good luck man, hope they represent.

[HenryHill9323 65]

:first: :first: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. ***

[drobeski 3,061]

:first: :first: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. ***

romo benched already

[MDC 7,887]

Your jealous! Super Bowels!!!

 

- Every bandwagoner Pats "fan" when confronted with cheating allegations.

 

Fake fans for a fake team with fake championships. ***

[drobeski 3,061]

Tilted the whole board

 

 

[Sho Nuff 720]

Tilted the whole board

 

 

Nah, just you and worms.

[HenryHill9323 65]

Tilted the whole board

The Cheatriots are the only ones that are tilted. Well, them and their fans.

 

3 long press conferences by Belicheat and Timmy Boy in the past few days? Hell, Belicheat answered more questions about his cheating in the past week than he has about football all season.

 

Also, now he is a certified meteorologist.

[drobeski 3,061]

You guys should start a pro bowl thread, talk about your teams current events. if you can get the great pats, bill and tommy out of your minds for a minute

[Voltaire 5,491]

Ballghazi!

[drobeski 3,061]

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/199345-the-truth-about-spygate-punishing-success-and-promoting-parity

[Giants Fan 85]

[NewbieJr 541]

Well, Bill Nye all but laughed at Belichick's ridiculous stab at being a scientist. However, as Richard Sherman pointed out, Bob Kraft had Roger Goodell to his house for dinner on the night before the championship game, so the chance that the Pats get more than a slap on the wrist is very minimal.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

Well, Bill Nye all but laughed at Belichick's ridiculous stab at being a scientist. However, as Richard Sherman pointed out, Bob Kraft had Roger Goodell to his house for dinner on the night before the championship game, so the chance that the Pats get more than a slap on the wrist is very minimal.

Bill Nye is a mechanical engineer.

 

The heads of physics for both Boston College and Carnegie Mellon independently reviewed what Belichick said and both said that it was correct. Of course, that was based on 11 of the 12 balls being 2psi underinflated as opposed to the "closer to 1psi" that is being reported by ProFootballTalk. If they were 1 psi under at halftime and the NFL has no evidence that any air was removed, then you have to think that the NFL is not going to do anything at all.

[HenryHill9323 65]

Week 2 of Pats fans squirming.

 

I love it!

[Giants Fan 85]

Intent, is what matters. We can argue til the cows come home about atmospheric pressure, or if the balls were stored in a hot room. If the balls somehow, on their own were less inflated, after some use, that is of course just the way it goes. If the Pats did something, to change the inflation for their own advantage, whether it worked or not is not important. It's a question of ethics, not science.

 

Do they deserve to have all their titles for the past decade erased? Yes. Everyone agrees. Now, should they be allowed to play in this years SB? That's another question. Would I rather see Seattle vs. a team of lizard men, with lasers from their eyes like an old Star Trek battle? See Tom Brady chip a rock to make a knife? Yes, as a matter of fact I would.

[drobeski 3,061]

Well, Bill Nye all but laughed at Belichick's ridiculous stab at being a scientist. However, as Richard Sherman pointed out, Bob Kraft had Roger Goodell to his house for dinner on the night before the championship game, so the chance that the Pats get more than a slap on the wrist is very minimal.

didn't he say "go seahawks" at the end of his piece ?

 

bill nye, the seahawks fan

[HenryHill9323 65]

didn't he so "go seahawks" at the end of his piece ?

 

bill nye, the seahawks fan

So, what you are saying is one's team loyalty might cloud one's judgement and force one to ignore reality?

[drobeski 3,061]

So, what you are saying is one's team loyalty might cloud one's judgement and force one to ignore reality?

I guess so, you seems to ingore the fact that jimmy Johnson admitted video taping opposing teams signals.

Do you asterisk your beloved cowboys championship's during his tenure ?

Didn't think so

[HenryHill9323 65]

I guess so, you seems to ingore the fact that jimmy Johnson admitted video taping opposing teams signals.

Do you asterisk your beloved cowboys championship's during his tenure ?

Didn't think so

Link to the Cowboys being sanctioned by the NFL for videotaping signals?

[drobeski 3,061]

My work is done here, multiple cases of sore losing hypocrisy exposed.

 

Pats are the best in the AFC, go Pats!!

 

 

Good luck in the draft kids.

[BiPolarBear 495]

Here is an ex-pat that would spill the beans on team cheats for a Snickers bar:

 

http://tinyurl.com/mfdw25d

[RLLD 4,275]

The Patriots are cheaters, not idiots, I think their answers thus far did a good job hedging against any later discovery that can nail them, and I think they made a calculated decision to do this and knew very well that the likelihood of being actually penalized is pretty low.

 

It was interesting that they felt they had to do this against the Colts, I guess they either have become blase about this way of cheating or perhaps wanted to ensure no issues, while they needed it to likely beat Baltimore, I do not think they needed it to beat the Colts.

 

Expect them to learn from this and do a much better job of avoiding getting caught in the future, we likely won't ever discover all the little ways they dance over and across the line, and each time they get caught they will get better at hiding the cheating.

[drobeski 3,061]

The Patriots are cheaters, not idiots, I think their answers thus far did a good job hedging against any later discovery that can nail them, and I think they made a calculated decision to do this and knew very well that the likelihood of being actually penalized is pretty low.

 

It was interesting that they felt they had to do this against the Colts, I guess they either have become blase about this way of cheating or perhaps wanted to ensure no issues, while they needed it to likely beat Baltimore, I do not think they needed it to beat the Colts.

 

Expect them to learn from this and do a much better job of avoiding getting caught in the future, we likely won't ever discover all the little ways they dance over and across the line, and each time they get caught they will get better at hiding the cheating.

sounds like a case of sour grapes ray, I thought you were better than that.

 

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Bill Nye is a media wh0re.

Yup. Pretty sad, at that age

[KSB2424 3,173]

This story has so many little tangents, it is hilarious. Let's take a breath and regroup with what he do know (as reported so far so until it changes or is refuted this is what we go on)

 

1. The Patriot Balls were tested 2 hours before the game and passed. Given back to the team. 11 of the 12 balls failed at halftime by 2 PSI.

 

2. The Patriots are denying any wrong doing. Anything at all. Deny, Deny, Deny. And you know what? Maybe what they were doing to the footballs they didn't think was wrong, and the fact they were playing with "illegal" balls (after the amospheric pressure changed) was a simple mistake.

 

3. Somehow all 12 of Colts balls passed the halftime inspection. So the Colts balls were either "prepped" a much different way or the whole "atmospheric pressure" science thing is complete B.S.

 

4. If you are a Patriots homer you more than likely think this is complete nonesense, nothing to see here, this is simply jealousy and envy and the whole world is against us for some strange reason that is no fault of our own and never has been.

 

5. This has turned into a circus and is rather funny.

[RLLD 4,275]

sounds like a case of sour grapes ray, I thought you were better than that.

 

 

Not at all, if you ever have an issue with anything I post then you have an issue with reality. I will post the truth, whether you have the integrity or capacity to accept it is not my concern.

 

I would never begrudge anyone the ability or right to defend their team or player or whatever, its natural and there is nothing wrong with it IMHO.

 

I think it is often difficult to understand or accept the perceptions outside of one's locale about their city or team. But what you may not like, accept or perhaps even realize is that collectively across this country, and emphatically within sports talking head and media in general as well, the Patriot organization is recognized now as being cheaters and liars. I do not think this is a reflection of the area in which they play, nor the people, but instead on the leadership within that organization.

 

We can agree to disagree of course, and on this topic I guess we never will, but there is enough on the table for people to accept and believe that when the Patriots take the field, we are looking at a team that will willingly cheat where ever they think they might not get caught..

[edjr 6,898]

Posted by Mike Florio on January 25, 2015, 3:03 PM EST

 

At this point, it’s unclear whether the NFL will find any evidence to support the suspicion that someone from the Patriots deliberately caused footballs to lose air pressure. If the NFL fails to find a proverbial smoking gun, that alone could become a different kind of smoking gun.

Even if (and at this point it could be a big if) the league finds proof of foul play, was it really worth it? The NFL has tarnished its own shield by painting a Super Bowl participant as a cheater without clear evidence of cheating. As noted on Friday, some believe that former Commissioners (such as Paul Tagliabue) would have addressed complaints coming from teams like the Colts regarding underinflated footballs not by trying to lay a trap for the Patriots, but by letting the Patriots know that the league office is paying attention to the situation, and that if there’s any funny business happening it needs to stop, now. Instead, the league office opted to try to catch the Patriots red handed.

But what has the NFL really found? As one league source has explained it to PFT, the football intercepted by Colts linebacker D’Qwell Jackson was roughly two pounds under the 12.5 PSI minimum. The other 10 balls that reportedly were two pounds under may have been, as the source explained it, closer to one pound below 12.5 PSI.

The NFL has yet to share specific information regarding the PSI measurements of the balls that were confiscated and measured at halftime. Which has allowed the perception of cheating to linger, fueled by the confirmation from Friday that the NFL found underinflated balls, but that the NFL still doesn’t know how they came to be that way.

“The goals of the investigation will be to determine the explanation for why footballs used in the game were not in compliance with the playing rules and specifically whether any noncompliance was the result of deliberate action,” the league said. “We have not made any judgments on these points and will not do so until we have concluded our investigation and considered all of the relevant evidence.”

Regardless of how hard or easy it could be or should be to get to the truth, the NFL owes it to the Patriots and the league to get there, quickly. Instead, the premier American sporting event apparently will be played under a dark cloud, and anything other than an eventual finding of cheating will seem anticlimactic and contrived. Even if the conclusion is regarded as legitimate, it won’t undo the damage that the Patriots and the NFL will have suffered during this bizarre period of pending allegations that have not yet been proven.

So at a time when the league office is still reeling from an insufficient investigation in the Ray Rice case, the league office now faces even more criticism for a clumsy sting operation that possibly will end up being a swing and a miss. Surely, much of that criticism will be directed privately at the league office from the Patriots.

Complicating matters for the NFL is that the bat initially was swung by Mike Kensil, a former employee of the Jets with a reputation among the Patriots for being an agitator. (Kensil’s father, Jim, served as president of the Jets for 10 years from the late 1970s to the late 1980s.) And so on the same day that the tampering charges filed by the Patriots against the Jets over Darrelle Revis became the latest chapter in a longstanding feud between the franchises, the tentacles of acrimony between the two franchises found a way to erupt into a brouhaha unlike many the NFL ever has seen.

The NFL never should have let this specific situation get to that point. Even if the league deemed it proper to lay a trap, they should have realized the challenges of actually making a trap work. In this case, it appears that they didn’t.

 

 

 

 

 

Belichick 2 - NFL 0

[edjr 6,898]

 

 

1. The Patriot Balls were tested 2 hours before the game and passed. Given back to the team. 11 of the 12 balls failed at halftime by 2 PSI.

 

 

X

 

[IGotWorms 4,063]

The Patriots are cheaters, not idiots, I think their answers thus far did a good job hedging against any later discovery that can nail them, and I think they made a calculated decision to do this and knew very well that the likelihood of being actually penalized is pretty low.

 

It was interesting that they felt they had to do this against the Colts, I guess they either have become blase about this way of cheating or perhaps wanted to ensure no issues, while they needed it to likely beat Baltimore, I do not think they needed it to beat the Colts.

 

Expect them to learn from this and do a much better job of avoiding getting caught in the future, we likely won't ever discover all the little ways they dance over and across the line, and each time they get caught they will get better at hiding the cheating.

I'm glad to see you guys are finally realizing there is no evidence they cheated.

 

I understand your desire to save face with "well they probably still did it," but a man who truly believed I personal accountability would admit he was wrong and apologize to Patriots fans