NFL: 11 of 12 Pat's balls under inflated.

[drobeski 3,061]

 

The great thing about this...if this was the Cowboys and RP made that post instead of drobs...you would be ripping it to shreds and you know it.

If it was the Eagles...drobs would be doing the same going after guys like MDC.

are you miss Cleo ...would be this weirdo.

[jerryskids 7,085]

Belichick and Patriots went through the process the Pats normally go through when they prepare the footballs. They rub them down before handing them over to the refs. He said they tested the pressure during the test they did. the rubbing up of the footballs actually made the pressure inside the football rise 1 psi. SO when they gave the footballs to the ref, he may have measured the pressure and then the pressure would have gone down. then when it hit the rain and colder weather outside it could have gone down further. As for the colts, no one knows how they prepared their footballs. They may have rubbed them down the day before. No one is sure if the pressure of the Colts footballs dropped a little or too. But maybe they were inflated higher and still stayed within the allowable pressure. But Belichick encouraged reporters to see for themselves by doing their own testing. He also said they had different players handling the footballs and no one could tell the difference between the footballs with a 1 psi drop. He said that some could feel a little difference in the 2 psi drops but even then players were making mistakes when trying to tell the difference.

 

Joe Theisman is the only guy I know who also tried to compare the difference in footballs with different pressures and he said he had trouble telling the difference. And you have to realize that Brady was in a game and not trying to feel the difference in the pressure while everyone doing a test now, is trying to tell the difference in pressure KNOWING that the balls they are holding are different pressures.

 

When this story first broke, I was thinking the Patriots had deflated the footballs but Belichick played out a scenario that they tested and now its the NFL's job to disprove it by running the same tests and also producing any evidence that the balls were deflated by a Patriot employee. If the NFL refs tested the footballs and had the footballs in their possession until they were handed over to the ball boys, I can't really see a scenario where the Patriots could deflate 11 balls. There has to be cameras that would have seen the ball boys on the sidelines deflating the footballs. And my gut tells me that Brady would want to feel the footballs after any air was taken out just to be sure they felt OK. You really wanted to trust a ball boy with taking the air out and the next time you feel the football is when the center hikes it to you? I thought they could have switched out the footballs completely somehow but the ref initials all the footballs.

 

I don't see how the NFL could punish the Pats if their is no evidence at all that they did it. But Goddell is so conscious about what the public thinks that he could do something drastic like suspend Belichick or Brady for a year.

 

Good analysis, and I suspect that variability of different temp/pressure combined with no hard evidence will lead to little or no punishment.

 

That being said, the science of this makes no sense. The purpose of rubbing down the football is presumably to soften it. If it softens, it would be easier to expand and thus increase slightly in volume and decrease slightly in pressure (Ideal Gas Law says PV/T remains constant, so if V goes up, P goes down). Think of a balloon which you blow into a few times so it softens up and you can fill it.

 

Plus it implies that the Pats filled the balls to 11.5 and did their magic rubdown, because in the end they were 2 psi low so presumably they started near 12.5.

 

Like you said, it will be interesting to see if (1) the pats share their magic rubdown process, and (2) if the NFL actually tries to replicate it. I doubt either of these will happen. My guess is that this just goes away.

[HenryHill9323 65]

Belicheat has video of Goodell blowing Kraft.

[Mike Honcho 5,435]

 

The New England Patriots’ prevention of fumbles is nearly impossible.

 

Yesterday I investigated whether or not the New England Patriots outperform expectations in bad weather. I had several recommendations to look at home and road data, as opposed to just home data. Mulling whether or not to undertake that further (time consuming) analysis, I watched this video:

 

On Wednesday, I investigated whether the New England Patriots outperform expectations in bad weather and found that, yes, they do. Then I remembered this remarkable fact: The 2014 Patriots were just the third team in the last 25 years to never have lost a fumble at home! The biggest difference between the Patriots and the other two teams that did it was that New England ran between 150 and 200 more plays this year than those teams, making the Patriots stand alone in this unique statistic. Based on the desire to incorporate full-season data (not just home games, as a team theoretically would bring “doctored footballs” with it on the road) I performed the following analysis:

 

The 2014 Patriots were just the 3rd team in the last 25 years to never have lost a fumble at home! The biggest difference between the Patriots and the other 2 teams who did it was that New England ran between 150 and 200 MORE plays this year than those teams did in the years they had zero home fumbles, making the Patriots stand alone in this unique statistic.

 

Based on the desire to incorporate full season data (not just home games, as a team theoretically bring “doctored footballs” with them on the road) I performed the following analysis:

 

I looked at the last 5 years of data (since 2010) and examined TOTAL FUMBLES in all games (as well as fumbles/game) but more importantly, TOTAL OFFENSIVE PLAYS RUN. Thus, we can to determine average PLAYS per FUMBLE, a much more valuable statistic. The results are displayed in the chart below. Keep in mind, this is for all games since 2010, regardless of indoors, outdoors, weather, site, etc. EVERYTHING.

 

One can CLEARLY SEE the Patriots, visually, are off the chart. There is no other team even close to being near to their rate of 187 offensive plays (passes+rushes+sacks) per fumble. The league average is 105 plays/fumble. Most teams are within 21 plays of that number.

 

I spoke with a data scientist who I know from work on the NFLproject.com website, and sent him the data. He said:

Based on the assumption that fumbles per play follow a normal distribution, you’d expect to see, according to random fluctuation, the results that the Patriots have gotten over this period, once in 16,233.77 instances”.

 

Which in layman’s terms means that this result only being a coincidence, is like winning a raffle where you have a 0.0000616 probability to win. Which in other words, it’s very unlikely that it’s a coincidence.

 

 

Posting again---didn't want it to get lost in the crying coming out of Boston

[KSB2424 3,173]

Bill Nye The Science Guy on Good Morning America today: "Belichicks explanation makes no sense"

 

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Perhaps the real motivation behind Ballghazi.

 

 

Lot more statistical analysis on his site.

 

Pretty pathetic attempt at changing the subject Mr. Honcho. I will take this as an admission that you were 100% wrong on deflategate and that you feel like an ass for your posts in this thread.

 

As for the fumbles, you do realize that they fumbled THREE TIMES versus the Ravens, right? But they recovered all three. I guess Belichick must be cheating there too. Maybe he puts a homing chip in the football that corresponds to a beacon they sew into every players' gloves, right?

[IGotWorms 4,063]

 

The great thing about this...if this was the Cowboys and RP made that post instead of drobs...you would be ripping it to shreds and you know it.

If it was the Eagles...drobs would be doing the same going after guys like MDC.

 

I would not. That is patently false.

 

Drobs might because he clearly likes to antagonize Eagles fans. I can't speak for him though

[Mike Honcho 5,435]

 

Pretty pathetic attempt at changing the subject Mr. Honcho. I will take this as an admission that you were 100% wrong on deflategate and that you feel like an ass for your posts in this thread.

 

As for the fumbles, you do realize that they fumbled THREE TIMES versus the Ravens, right? But they recovered all three. I guess Belichick must be cheating there too. Maybe he puts a homing chip in the football that corresponds to a beacon they sew into every players' gloves, right?

 

WTF are you talking about...what was I 100% wrong about? I'm still contending they deflated the balls. You should feel like an ass for not comprehending the story and how it related to Patriots cheating.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

 

WTF are you talking about...what was I 100% wrong about? I'm still contending they deflated the balls.

 

Then why the desperate attempt to change the subject?

[Mike Honcho 5,435]

 

Then why the desperate attempt to change the subject?

 

Desperate attempt to change the subject...are you focking drunk? Balls deflated, easier to grip, less fumbles. Seriously, it's not that hard to comprehend.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

 

Desperate attempt to change the subject...are you focking drunk? Balls deflated, easier to grip, less fumbles. Seriously, it's not that hard to comprehend.

 

Bullsh!t Honcho. You know now that they can't prove the Pats did anything to the ball at the Colts game...because it didn't happen. So now you want to move the goal posts and start talking about something else altogether. Show a little integrity here

[Mike Honcho 5,435]

 

Bullsh!t Honcho. You know now that they can't prove the Pats did anything to the ball at the Colts game...because it didn't happen. So now you want to move the goal posts and start talking about something else altogether. Show a little integrity here

 

Integrity from a Pats fan...that's rich. Better ways to spend my Sunday, but you keep fighting the good fight defending the Cheatriots.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

 

Integrity from a Pats fan...that's rich. Better ways to spend my Sunday, but you keep fighting the good fight defending the Cheatriots.

 

Your bias is apparent.

[jerryskids 7,085]

 

Your bias is apparent.

Do you seriously not see a correlation between deflated balls and fewer fumbles?

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Do you seriously not see a correlation between deflated balls and fewer fumbles?

 

I am seriously not going to deal with shifting goalposts on this.

[NewbieJr 541]

Worms, why is it easier to palm a basketball if you take a little air out of it?

[Sho Nuff 720]

are you miss Cleo ...would be this weirdo.

No...dont need to be to understand tje behavior of you all.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Do you seriously not see a correlation between deflated balls and fewer fumbles?

He thinks nothing happened.

The denial is strong in that one.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

He thinks nothing happened.

The denial is strong in that one.

Denial of what? Y'all haven't proven sh!t

[Mike Honcho 5,435]

 

I am seriously not going to deal with shifting goalposts on this.

 

Goalposts haven't shifted...Before, Patriots cheated by deflating balls to get advantage...theory now includes fumbles, but still patriots cheated by deflating balls to get an advantage.

 

Worms before. Now

[Sho Nuff 720]

Denial of what? Y'all haven't proven sh!t

That you think the pats did nothing is funny.

 

And i was unaware that i was in charge of proving what the pats did.

 

Nothing will likely come of as it will be extremely hard to prove...just funny watching you find every reason you can to believe the pats.

[HenryHill9323 65]

 

Bullsh!t Honcho. You know now that they can't prove the Pats did anything to the ball at the Colts game...because it didn't happen.

Link?

 

So your position is that if something can't be proven, it didn't happen? They teach you that in lawyering school, O.J?

[drobeski 3,061]

Crygate

[MDC 7,887]

Crygate

Because it makes Gaytriot fans cry little defensive little b1tches?

[drobeski 3,061]

they cheated booo hooo, rocky hold me !

Go Pats!!

[Mike Honcho 5,435]

Go Pats!!

 

Haha...you made a Rocky reference!!! It's funny cause he's as real as a legitimate Patriots SB.

[HenryHill9323 65]

 

I am seriously not going to deal with shifting goalposts on this.

You mean like:

 

"It was atmospheric conditions"

 

To:

 

"The Refs didn't inspect the balls before the game properly"

 

 

To:

 

"Aaron Rodgers does it too".

 

 

Like that?

[drobeski 3,061]

 

Haha...you made a Rocky reference!!! It's funny cause he's as real as a legitimate Patriots SB.

we know the pack won't be hoisting the Lombardi next Sunday what a shame, so close ...Aaron needed more air in his balls than the refs would allows probably why he sucked up the joint. karma

[Mike Honcho 5,435]

we know the pack won't be hoisting the Lombardi next Sunday what a shame, so close ...Aaron needed more air in his balls than the refs would allows probably why he sucked up the joint. karma

 

cheaters gotta cheat.

[HenryHill9323 65]

Link to the NFL saying Rodgers tried to sneak balls with too much PSI past the Refs?

 

This seems to be the bar Cheatriot fans have set.......so I would think they had some proof from the NFL that Rodgers cheated.

 

Link?

[Sho Nuff 720]

Rodgers has hoisted the Lombardi more recently than ol shrunk balls Uggs boy.

[Mike Honcho 5,435]

For 1000 dollars, the clue is, The Easter Bunny, Santa Claus and a legitimate Patriots SB win.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

For 1000 dollars, the clue is, The Easter Bunny, Santa Claus and a legitimate Patriots SB win.

 

What are "Things that make Mike Honcho whine like a kuntbag?"

[IGotWorms 4,063]

More for the success-haters to suck on: http://www.headsmartlabs.com/#in-the-news

 

[HenryHill9323 65]

More for the success-haters to suck on: http://www.headsmartlabs.com/#in-the-news

 

Your "scientists" didn't explain how atmospheric condition only affected the Cheatriots footballs.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Your "scientists" didn't explain how atmospheric condition only affected the Cheatriots footballs.

Link?

[HenryHill9323 65]

Link?

http://www.headsmartlabs.com/#in-the-news

[IGotWorms 4,063]

http://www.headsmartlabs.com/#in-the-news

 

Well golly gee dumbo, we just don't have the information necessary to figure that out.

 

Were the Colts' balls checked for PSI before the game? Like a specific gauge was used (as opposed to just feeling them to see if they seemed properly inflated)?

 

If so, what were the PSI measurements at that time?

 

And were they tested at halftime too? If so, what was the difference, if any, in PSI of the Colts' balls?

 

I await your link.

[Mike Honcho 5,435]

 

What are "Things that make Mike Honcho whine like a kuntbag?"

 

It sounds like a "whine" when I'm laughing my ass off...damn, didn't know that.

 

The correct answer was "What are three things who have never been in Cliff Claven's kitchen?"

[HenryHill9323 65]

Well golly gee dumbo, we just don't have the information necessary to figure that out.

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Weird how we don't have all the information necessary to show the Cheatriots didn't get caught cheating again, yet you claim they didn't.

 

Furthermore, you have blamed the weather, NFL, the media, the Colts, and Ravens for all of this.........without the "information necessary" to make those claims.

 

It fun watching you meltdown over this. You can't keep track of your floundering.