Magnificent Bastard 191 Posted March 19, 2015 Yes, Reagan had them quaking in their boots when he was trading arms with them. Sheeeeeez. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frank M 181 Posted March 19, 2015 Yes, Reagan had them quaking in their boots when he was trading arms with them. Sheeeeeez. When it was becoming a distinct possibility that Reagan would become President, Iran released the hostages. HTH Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillybear 366 Posted March 19, 2015 censorship? wtf are you talking about? How is that a democratic issue? As for gun control, Has Obama (or any other Democratic President) said he wanted to ban all guns? And your sh!tty party had a chance to offer up a plan to fix our horrible health care system and drew a blank. Oh well. For the thousandth time, I'm a Libertarian, you moron. And, yes, liberals are d!cks when it comes to personal freedoms. Obama is working on banning guns surreptitiously. He has already issued an executive order banning certain ammunition. Censorship is mostly a liberal issue. They are the ones crying and trying to pass legislation about hate speech, racism, cyber bullying, and of course equal time laws to combat conservative programming on radio/TV. The majority of the FCC is liberal based, so don't get me started on those assh0les who are about to regulate content on the internet because of the bullsh!t net neutrality laws. As far as Obamacare, it's a mandatory, progressively punitive punishment on all citizens. They decided to fix something that wasn't broken, and made it much worse while punishing tax payers with the cost. Or you go to jail. Good job. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magnificent Bastard 191 Posted March 19, 2015 When it was becoming a distinct possibility that Reagan would become President, Iran released the hostages. HTH The hostages were released in Jan 81, well after the elections. HTH. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,387 Posted March 19, 2015 It's all speculation. McCain would have been a lot more competent than Bush so there's a decent chance he could have prevented 9/11 and that awful day as well as the horrible chain of events that led from there to today would not have unfolded. Or maybe they'd have been able to pull one over on him too, I dunno. No way to tell. Sadly, watching him in action in the Senate, he's never seen an Islamic toilet that he doesn't want to dive into. Since the planet is never devoid of stupid bullsh*t, something would have come up to tempt a committed world policeman like him to go in headfirst. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frank M 181 Posted March 19, 2015 The hostages were released in Jan 81, well after the elections. HTH. Okay.when Reagan was elected president, Iran let the hostages go because they didn't want Reagan to fock them up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted March 19, 2015 This post nails it. Any Republican that can even lean towards the middle on these issues would blow Hillary Clinton out of the water. The sad part is that the party is so focked up they will either a) never find this person; or b)the party will splinter further and destroy any chance of unseating the Democratic White House. And you know that for the campaign...Hillary is likely to pretend to come to the middle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted March 19, 2015 For the thousandth time, I'm a Libertarian, you moron. And, yes, liberals are d!cks when it comes to personal freedoms. Obama is working on banning guns surreptitiously. He has already issued an executive order banning certain ammunition. Censorship is mostly a liberal issue. They are the ones crying and trying to pass legislation about hate speech, racism, cyber bullying, and of course equal time laws to combat conservative programming on radio/TV. The majority of the FCC is liberal based, so don't get me started on those assh0les who are about to regulate content on the internet because of the bullsh!t net neutrality laws. As far as Obamacare, it's a mandatory, progressively punitive punishment on all citizens. They decided to fix something that wasn't broken, and made it much worse while punishing tax payers with the cost. Or you go to jail. Good job. Realizing that some weapons need to be eliminated does not equate to wanting to ban guns. That's just retarded logic. 9 out of 10 times, when someone loses their job over something they said, it's a decision based on revenue or public perception. Censorship is not a liberal issue. Again, you're just showing your political bias. The fact that you said our healthcare system was fine the way it was shows that you're just too dumb to even have this conversation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magnificent Bastard 191 Posted March 19, 2015 When it was becoming a distinct possibility that Reagan would become President, Iran released the hostages. HTH And Iran was so scared of Reagan that they were behind the Beirut embassy bombing in 1983. There is actually a statue dedicated to the suicide bombers in Tehran, calling them martyrs. But don't let that stop you from believing the myth. Over 200 Marines killed, and Ronny was so outraged he cut and ran and invaded Grenada. That's in the Caribbean. What a tough guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magnificent Bastard 191 Posted March 19, 2015 Okay.when Reagan was elected president, Iran let the hostages go because they didn't want Reagan to fock them up. Okay, but your statement and premise were totally wrong. HTH Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,650 Posted March 19, 2015 neither of those issues should matter to an adult male Neither issue is a deal breaker but they both matter to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
porkbutt 897 Posted March 19, 2015 you people are hilarious. you have hillary at your helm right now and gonna talk about the gop clown car? i'd take a clown over the current incompetent community organizer. look at these focking psychos http://billforfirstlady2016.com/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,793 Posted March 19, 2015 Okay.when Reagan was elected president, Iran let the hostages go because they didn't want Reagan to fock them up. Lots of ignorance here. do you know what osama bin Laden is quoted as stating his basis for the 9 11 attacks was? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frank M 181 Posted March 19, 2015 Okay, but your statement and premise were totally wrong. HTH The timing was wrong, but the premise is correct. Unlike Carter, Reagan signalled willingness to do what it took to get the hostages back. Iran knew that and let them go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted March 19, 2015 you people are hilarious. you have hillary at your helm right now and gonna talk about the gop clown car? i'd take a clown over the current incompetent community organizer. look at these focking psychos http://billforfirstlady2016.com/ Whole topic just went right the fock over your head. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magnificent Bastard 191 Posted March 19, 2015 Lots of ignorance here. do you know what osama bin Laden is quoted as stating his basis for the 9 11 attacks was? Reagan's cut and run in Beirut. He said he knew then we didn't have the will to fight in a Muslim country. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted March 19, 2015 Lots of ignorance here. do you know what osama bin Laden is quoted as stating his basis for the 9 11 attacks was? The McRib? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magnificent Bastard 191 Posted March 19, 2015 The timing was wrong, but the premise is correct. Unlike Carter, Reagan signalled willingness to do what it took to get the hostages back. Iran knew that and let them go. Willingness to do what? Trade arms with them? Let them kill our Marines and run away? Come on man! Do you think Irans influence in the area actually went down after Reagan took office? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frank M 181 Posted March 19, 2015 Willingness to do what? Trade arms with them? Let them kill our Marines and run away? Come on man! Do you think Irans influence in the area actually went down after Reagan took office? No, I'm not saying that Reagan's presidency wasn't filled with all the thigs you're talking about Or that he was a good president. I'm saying that at the time he was elected and voiced willingness to do what it took to get the hostages back, iran blinked. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magnificent Bastard 191 Posted March 19, 2015 No, I'm not saying that Reagan's presidency wasn't filled with all the thigs you're talking about Or that he was a good president. I'm saying that at the time he was elected and voiced willingness to do what it took to get the hostages back, iran blinked. I have no idea what the Iranians were thinking, all I know is that during his presidency, they sure didn't act like they were afraid of him. And in my book, blowing up our embassy and killing hundreds of Marines is a much bigger act of defiance than holding hostages and releasing them. But Carter was the wimp. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillybear 366 Posted March 19, 2015 Realizing that some weapons need to be eliminated does not equate to wanting to ban guns. That's just retarded logic. 9 out of 10 times, when someone loses their job over something they said, it's a decision based on revenue or public perception. Censorship is not a liberal issue. Again, you're just showing your political bias. The fact that you said our healthcare system was fine the way it was shows that you're just too dumb to even have this conversation. Just because you agree with those actionable items does not make it any less a subtraction of personal freedoms. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,793 Posted March 19, 2015 No, I'm not saying that Reagan's presidency wasn't filled with all the thigs you're talking about Or that he was a good president. I'm saying that at the time he was elected and voiced willingness to do what it took to get the hostages back, iran blinked. if you read up on the situation, Quran had no more use for the hostages. In fact, they were becoming a political logistical and public affairs nightmare. So, long before the election, they reached out to Reagan's people to construct a deal. In short, it's not much different than what the GOP did with Netanyahu recently.you could almost argue that it was treason. but, ultimately the hostages got released, and coincidentally iran got a sweet deal from the Reagan administration in later years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted March 19, 2015 Just because you agree with those actionable items does not make it any less a subtraction of personal freedoms.Are people not allowed to own guns? Are people not allowed to have health insurance? Is there a Democrat whose stance is to deny anyone of those freedoms? No. There are actually Republicans, in 2015, who still want make decisions for p[regnant women. And tell homosexuals that they don't have the same rights as straight people. And if any candidate pushed either of those issues, they have no shot in 2016. None Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magnificent Bastard 191 Posted March 19, 2015 So, we have effectively destroyed the myth that Iran was afraid of Reagan. Any other GOP myths you want to debate, like how Reagan was a tax cutter? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
porkbutt 897 Posted March 19, 2015 Whole topic just went right the fock over your head. how so? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillybear 366 Posted March 19, 2015 Are people not allowed to own guns? Are people not allowed to have health insurance? Is there a Democrat whose stance is to deny anyone of those freedoms? No. There are actually Republicans, in 2015, who still want make decisions for p[regnant women. And tell homosexuals that they don't have the same rights as straight people. And if any candidate pushed either of those issues, they have no shot in 2016. None Because you believe that certain guns and certain ammunition should not be permitted, you are OK with taking these freedoms away because you are allowing some guns to be owned. Not all, but some. So you feel that you are not limiting freedoms but you are limiting some guns. Not logical. Also, yes, many, many Democrats want to deny overall gun ownership. Are people not allowed to decline having health insurance? No. It is mandatory. So, you feel that this is not denying a freedom? Not logical. Yes, many, many Democrats are cool with the Obamacare tax debacle. I don't care about pregnant women, but the rules are focked. If a guy doesn't want the child, he still has to pay child support. In some states, this includes college tuition. How focked up is that? It's extortion. What's more focked is that if you abort a kid, it's OK. Murder a woman and her unborn kid, you get charged for 2 murders. What the fock? There is no consistency. Bottom line, if a woman wants to kill her child, she would have sucked as a mother anyway, so do whatever the fock. But there is no right to privacy as pro-abortion nuts believe and tell you. Homeland security did away with that for good. Privacy? Kids growing up today have no concept of what privacy even means. Do you have a right to do whatever you want with your body? Not really. Tell that to those mentally ill people who want to change sex, but are made to wait years before they can chop their d!cks off. It's the law. Except for abortion, then it's OK. Whatever. It's all hypocrisy. As you are well aware, the majority of the country is now anti-abortion, but this is not a nation of majority rules. Queebs have the same exact rights as everybody else. However, these issues with queebs and knocked up broads are #1000 and #1001 in things to give a fock about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 5,343 Posted March 19, 2015 No, I'm not saying that Reagan's presidency wasn't filled with all the thigs you're talking about Or that he was a good president. I'm saying that at the time he was elected and voiced willingness to do what it took to get the hostages back, iran blinked. You might want to read about Reagan, the hostages and the October surprise. There has been quite a bit of speculation that Reagan adviser negotiated with Iran before he was president promising arms to delay release of hostages. Lot of smoke to go with the allegations. The greatest act of isolation and minimization involves the October Surprise — the 1980 Reagan/Bush campaign’s alleged negotiations with Iran to prevent the release of hostages prior to the 1980 election. Although long dismissed by most as a mere “conspiracy theory,” evidence in support of it has only grown significantly stronger over time, in large part because of the work of investigative journalist Robert Parry, who broke several of the most important stories about the Iran-Contra scandal while working for the Associated Press in the 1980s, and has long run the independent news site Consortiumnews.com. Parry worked on a documentary about the October Surprise for PBS’s “Frontline” in 1991, and wrote a book based on his research, ”Trick or Treason,” published in 1993. But much more was yet to come. In late 1995, he began publishing an eight-part series, the “October Surprise X-Files,” based on his investigation of the neglected work product of a House task force (chaired by Indiana Democrat Lee Hamilton) that ostensibly cleared the Reagan/Bush campaign of any wrongdoing in a January 1993 report. “[T]he House task force debunked the charges by adopting an elaborate set of alibis for the key players, Parry explained in his first story in that series, “Russia’s Report.” Here is a further excerpt from that story: Salon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HenryHill9323 65 Posted March 19, 2015 You might want to read up on Reagan, the hostages and the October surprise. There has been quite a bit of speculation that Reagan adviser negotiated with Iran before he was president promising arms to delay release of hostages. Lot of smoke to go with the allegations. Salon Yeah, Reagan sent Bush to Paris on an SR-71 to negotiate with them. Loosen the tin-foil. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,060 Posted March 19, 2015 I liked McCain in 2000, but he was a war hawk. Hard to say there would have been no Iraq or similar dumbass move. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 5,343 Posted March 19, 2015 Yeah, Reagan sent Bush to Paris on an SR-71 to negotiate with them. Loosen the tin-foil. Wow, that's a dumber interpretation than your "mandatory voting rights". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FeelingMN 273 Posted March 19, 2015 I liked McCain in 2000, but he was a war hawk. Hard to say there would have been no Iraq or similar dumbass move. Bomb bomb bomb....bomb bomb Iran Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HenryHill9323 65 Posted March 19, 2015 Wow, that's a dumber interpretation than your "mandatory voting rights". That was part of the libtard conspiracy theory, Slappy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted March 19, 2015 Because you believe that certain guns and certain ammunition should not be permitted, you are OK with taking these freedoms away because you are allowing some guns to be owned. Not all, but some. So you feel that you are not limiting freedoms but you are limiting some guns. Not logical. Also, yes, many, many Democrats want to deny overall gun ownership.By that logic, I should be free to build a nuclear bomb in my basement. If you don't think that there should be any limits whatsoever on what weapons people own or how much damage they can do. And I agree with you about the extortion of men. But that's a whole other topic in the pro-life/pro-choice debate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillybear 366 Posted March 19, 2015 Bomb bomb bomb....bomb bomb Iran I think this was an old school Jay Thomas radio bit. And he caught sh!t for it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magnificent Bastard 191 Posted March 19, 2015 That was part of the libtard conspiracy theory, Slappy. Link? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillybear 366 Posted March 19, 2015 By that logic, I should be free to build a nuclear bomb in my basement. If you don't think that there should be any limits whatsoever on what weapons people own or how much damage they can do. And I agree with you about the extortion of men. But that's a whole other topic in the pro-life/pro-choice debate. Obama is OK with Iran building a nuclear bomb in it's basement, but he is not OK with some bullets. Awesome. Also, nuclear bombs are not equal to guns. Apples and avocados. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,275 Posted March 19, 2015 Trump has NO shot at he GOP nomination. He focked it up the other day by demanding that the Pope and Vatican release Jesus' Birth Certificate. He has already alienated half the base, and he has not even declared yet. The republican base might buy into everything about him though, he has no chance of beating even the worst possible Democrat, but in terms of representing your average repub, he is their quintessence. I would not be floored if he won the party nomination, though I suspect he likely does not specifically because he may ye still be viewed as an "outsider". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magnificent Bastard 191 Posted March 19, 2015 Obama is OK with Iran building a nuclear bomb in it's basement, but he is not OK with some bullets. Awesome. Also, nuclear bombs are not equal to guns. Apples and avocados. As written in the second amendmant, who is allowed to own guns? Who isn't? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,730 Posted March 19, 2015 you people are hilarious. you have hillary at your helm right now and gonna talk about the gop clown car? i'd take a clown over the current incompetent community organizer. look at these focking psychos http://billforfirstlady2016.com/ can we just admit they are all clowns, every last one of them, no both sides Anyone that has a chance at being POTUS has been ruined by the entire process. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted March 19, 2015 Obama is OK with Iran building a nuclear bomb in it's basement, but he is not OK with some bullets. Awesome. Also, nuclear bombs are not equal to guns. Apples and avocados. And semi-automatic weapons aren't equal to the primitive guns they had when the second amendment was put into place. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites