Fast-food strikes widen into social-justice movement

[Saint Elistan 106]

 

here is the future for drive-thru window workers:

 

- the idea of needing you "on location" is outdated

- you will all be packed in a warehouse with headsets taking orders for you assigned location, if you're lucky your warehouse is in Ohio, if you're not, its in China

- The money exchange and food delivery is all handle by machines.

- The only people "on location" are those cooking the food. These workers never interact with customers or money.

 

 

 

Ever been to a Sheetz? I effin' love them. Fully automated ordering system in-store and drive-thru.

 

https://www.sheetz.com/

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

If there is no one at the counter of a fast food joint, Who's going to answer the black people when they aks how much something costs?

[edjr 6,898]

If there is no one at the counter of a fast food joint, Who's going to answer the black people when they aks how much something costs?

 

person in front of them at the theater.

[TD Ryan2 316]

 

 

Ever been to a Sheetz? I effin' love them. Fully automated ordering system in-store and drive-thru.

 

https://www.sheetz.com/

 

No. But eventually fast food restaurants with actual "people" at the window will be about as competitive and profitable as Borders book stores.

[Saint Elistan 106]

 

person in front of them at the theater.

 

Uh, can I get a Nachos and Sprite. And some Sour Patch Kids?

 

Regular SPK or Watermelon?

 

[SUXBNME 1,594]

If you want to be paid $15 an hour go get the skills that you can sell for that.

 

Flipping burgers isn't a skill requiring that pay.

yep

[Baker Boy 1,710]

So the Left's idea of social-justice is taking from the ambitious hard working people and giving it to the ambitionless lazy people.

[HenryHill9323 65]

St. Elistan seems very concerned about the workers at McDonalds, and wants to spend other peoples money so he can feel better about their situation.

 

Hey Sport, why don't you take your money and help them out?

[IGotWorms 4,063]

 

OK - so you drive around to multiple grocery stores to buy only the "sale" items... let's not pick nits here.

No matter where you go, if you fill up your cart with $100 in groceries, it isn't a whole lot of stuff - and yes, it's a bit more stuff at Market Basket, but I stand by my point that "average" life expenses are not easily covered by an "average" salary.

Yet alone if you're actually buying halfway decent stuff. Fresh fruits and vegetables, fresh fish, etc. Those are practically luxury items now

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

If you want to be paid $15 an hour go get the skills that you can sell for that.

 

Flipping burgers isn't a skill requiring that pay.

 

If you don't like it that they make 15 an hour don't eat there. How do you like them apples?

[IGotWorms 4,063]

 

I've always been of this rationale and it gets me in trouble from both sides. I don't think there should be a minimum wage. The only fair wage is one that is agreed upon. That's the ultimate competition right there. My justification is that the settled upon wages would in-fact be higher than Minimum Wage. Can't really prove that and I get laughed at a lot, so maybe that's just how I think as a General Manager. I want the best workers, so I pay them more than my competition. I can recruit employees from other businesses as I encounter them in my daily life by offering them a bigger check. If they don't live up to my expectations, I find someone else. As a result, more patrons want to come to my business because we have friendly, efficient staff. Market share increases.

We had that no-minimum wage thing 80 years ago and it didn't work so well for most people

[IGotWorms 4,063]

St. Elistan seems very concerned about the workers at McDonalds, and wants to spend other peoples money so he can feel better about their situation.

 

Hey Sport, why don't you take your money and help them out?

You are not smart enough to be involved in this conversation.

[HenryHill9323 65]

You are not smart enough to be involved in this conversation.

I already nailed it in the post Sux just quoted, Dummy.

 

Nothing else needs to be said.

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

I already nailed it in the post Sux just quoted, Dummy.

 

Nothing else needs to be said.

You probably eat a lot of mc nuggets I'm guessing.

[TimmySmith 2,783]

Irony is the government putting fast food out of business from health and financial mandates while screaming that fast food workers need a living wage.

[edjr 6,898]

Irony is the government putting fast food out of business from health and financial mandates while screaming that fast food workers need a living wage.

 

[KSB2424 3,173]

 

This is actually a very good video. It is true that the disparity between the top 1% and the bottom 20% is widening. I have a theory on that, that is probably not what you think it is.....

 

It's not because of not enough regulation / laws / taxes, or not enough entitilements, in other words "government wealth distribution". The widening of that gap is in part BECAUSE of to much of those things.

 

When you make the waters harder to navigate, the really smart people (or the really wealthy people who can pay smart people) will find a way to make out or even find an advantage. By doing all that, government getting in the way (albeit with good intentions), you actually make it more difficult for the middle class to navigate the waters and you do the poor a disservice by making them rely on the gov't teet. A cycle they become dependent on and do not break free of.

 

I like sports analogies. It's akin to when Tiger Woods was in his prime and dominating golf. Tiger represents the 1% er's in this analogy. Well golf (think gov't) decided to try and make it easier for other golfers to catch Tiger. To close the gap if you will by "Tiger Proofing" golf courses on tour. They grew the rough, they lengthened the courses, in order to try to compensate for Tiger being so long off the tee back then.

 

Well, it backfired, and the unintened consequence was that it actually gave Tiger an advantage. It didn't close the gap between him and the field, it only made it worse. By Tigerproofing it made it even more difficult for the average golfer on tour, and Tiger was able to navigate those longer courses more easily due to his talent.

 

If you let the market decide, like TRULY decide, it will be benificial to the lower and middle class. Not the other way around.

[TD Ryan2 316]

We had that no-minimum wage thing 80 years ago and it didn't work so well for most people

 

From the Seth Godin Blog:

 

Anti-Business:

A hundred and fifty years ago, when people finally began organizing to eliminate child labor in American factories, they were called anti-business. There was no way, the owners complained, that they could make a living if they couldn’t employ ultra-cheap labor. In retrospect, I think businesses are glad that kids go to school--educated workers make better consumers (and citizens).

Fifty years ago, when people realized how much damage was being done by factories poisoning our rivers, those supporting the regulations to clean up the water supply were called anti-business. Companies argued that they’d never be able to efficiently produce while reducing their effluent. Today, I think most capitalists would agree that the benefits of having clean air and water more than make up for what it costs to create a place people want to live—the places that haven't cleaned up are rushing to catch up, because what destroys health also destroys productivity and markets. (And it's a good idea).

When the bars and restaurants went non-smoking in New York a decade ago, angry trade organizations predicted the death knell of their industry. It turns out the opposite happened.

The term anti-business actually seems to mean, “against short-term waste, harmful side effects and selfish shortcuts.” Direct marketers were aghast when people started speaking out against spam, but of course, in the long run, ethical direct marketers came out ahead.

If anti-business means supporting a structure that builds a foundation where more people can flourish over time, then sign me up.

A more interesting conversation, given how thoroughly intertwined business and social issues are, is whether someone is short-term or long-term. Not all long-term ideas are good ones, not all of them work, but it makes no sense to confuse them with the label of anti-business.

Successful businesses tend to be in favor of the status quo (they are, after all, successful and change is a threat) perhaps with a few fewer regulations just for kicks. But almost no serious businessperson is suggesting that we roll back the 'anti-business' improvements to the status quo of 1890.

It often seems like standing up for dignity, humanity and respect for those without as much power is called anti-business. And yet it turns out that the long-term benefit for businesses is that they are able to operate in a more stable, civilized, sophisticated marketplace.

It’s pretty easy to go back to a completely self-regulated, selfishly focused, Ayn-Randian cut-throat short-term world. But I don’t think you’d want to live there.

 

 

[IGotWorms 4,063]

 

This is actually a very good video. It is true that the disparity between the top 1% and the bottom 20% is widening. I have a theory on that, that is probably not what you think it is.....

 

It's not because of not enough regulation / laws / taxes, or not enough entitilements, in other words "government wealth distribution". The widening of that gap is in part BECAUSE of to much of those things.

 

When you make the waters harder to navigate, the really smart people (or the really wealthy people who can pay smart people) will find a way to make out or even find and advantage. By doing all that, government getting in the way (albeit with good intentions), you actually make it more difficult for the middle class to navigate the waters and you do the poor a disservice by making them rely on the gov't teet. A cycle they become dependent on and do not break free of.

 

I like sports analogies. It's akin to when Tiger Woods was in his prime and dominating golf. Tiger represents the 1% er's in this analogy. Well golf (think gov't) decided to try and make it easier for other golfers to catch Tiger. To close the gap if you will by "Tiger Proofing" golf courses on tour. They grew the rough, they lengthened the courses, in order to try to compensate for Tiger being so long off the tee back then.

 

Well, it backfired, and the unintened consequence was that it actually gave Tiger an advantage. It didn't close the gap between him and the field, it only made it worse. By Tigerproofing it made it even more difficult for the average golfer on tour, and Tiger was able to navigate those longer courses more easily due to his talent.

 

If you let the market decide, like TRULY decide, it will be benificial to the lower and middle class. Not the other way around.

I see your doing your usual schtick where you spout 100% conservative dogma as the "common sense" approach that you've thought up all on your own.

 

We can certainly argue about how much regulation is too much, but only a nutball would think no regulation is workable. We've really had that before, back before the New Deal, and it was awful for most people. The free market is the best system we have but it's ill effects MUST be reigned in.

[KSB2424 3,173]

The free market is the best system we have but it's ill effects MUST be reigned in.

 

As do the ill effects and unintened consequences of more opposite policies.

 

There are generations of people who are dependent on the gov't for survival. That isn't a good thing and only makes the widening gap between the haves and the have nots worse.

[TD Ryan2 316]

 

As do the ill effects and unintened consequences of more opposite policies.

 

agreed.

policy is often well intentioned but goes wrong.

 

I liked your post KSB - I'm just not sure that all the wealthiest people are truly the smartest and hardest working - it plays a role but we are nowhere close to a true meritocracy - and the "far right dogma" (as worms calls it) too often makes the mistake of claiming that it's the smartest and hardest working people that get ahead.

[MDC 7,882]

All I have to add to this conversation is this:

 

I don't think flipping burgers is a task worth $15/hour or that raising the min wage is a good idea. I'm also fairly sure the left wing doesn't have the answer to wage disparity and the shrinking middle class.

 

On the other hand, the right wing doesn't even seem to recognize lower earning power and higher costs of living as a problem and their only answer is to heap scorn on people who complain about it. Until that party even recognizes the problems that the vast majority of Americans face they won't have my vote.

 

My two cents right there.

[HenryHill9323 65]

agreed.

policy is often well intentioned but goes wrong.

 

I liked your post KSB - I'm just not sure that all the wealthiest people are truly the smartest and hardest working - it plays a role but we are nowhere close to a true meritocracy - and the "far right dogma" (as worms calls it) too often makes the mistake of claiming that it's the smartest and hardest working people that get ahead.

I would guess the vast majority of those who get ahead are smart and hard working, as opposed to dumb and lazy, Dummy.

[TD Ryan2 316]

I would guess the vast majority of those who get ahead are smart and hard working, as opposed to dumb and lazy, Dummy.

 

so, you think all you have to do is be smart and hard working and you'll be rich? You're naive.

[Mookz 1,374]

Let me describe the people that work for me...at a movie theatre. They pop your popcorn, tear your tickets, and pick up all the shite you arseholes leave behind in the seats.

 

1) 24 Years Old - Education Degree - 35 Hours a Week Unpaid Teaching Internship, Part Time Floor Staff with Me

2) 23 Years Old - Marketing Degree - 40 Hours a Week at the County Clerks Office, Part Time Floor Staff with Me

3) 25 Years Old - History Degree - Night Classes to become a Pastor, Full Time Manager with Me, Married

4) 24 Years Old - Spanish Degree - Part Time Substitute Teacher, Part Time Manager with Me, Married

5) 19 Years Old - In Technical School - Part Time Student for Ultrasound Technician, Part Time Manager with Me, Married

6) 19 Years Old - In Technical School - Part Time Student for Dental Assistant, Part Time Floor Staff with Me, Engaged

7) 33 Years Old - Education Degree - 40 Hours a Week Teaching English, Part Time Floor Staff with Me, Married, Four Kids (Two Adopted)

8) 21 Years Old - In Technical School - Part Time Student for EMT, Part Time Floor Staff with Me

9) 22 Years Old - In Technical School - Part Time Student for Paralegal, Part Time Floor Staff with Me, One Child

10) 62 Years Old - Vietnam Veteran - Part Time Janitor at Taco Bell, Part Time Floor Staff with Me, Married, Two Kids

11) 21 Years Old - In School - Part Time Student for Biology Degree, Part Time Floor Staff with Me

12) 23 Years Old - In School - Part Time Student for Education Degree, Part Time Floor Staff with Me

13) 18 Years Old - In School - Part Time Student for Engineering Degree, Part Time Floor Staff with Me

14) 20 Years Old - In School - Part Time Student for Accounting Degree, Part Time H&R Block Employee, Part Time Floor Staff with Me

15) 26 Years Old - Accounting Degree - Full Time Assistant Food Service Director at a Nursing Home, Part Time Maintenance with Me

16) 25 Years Old - Accounting Degree - Full Time CPA, Part Time Marketing with Me

17) 21 Years Old - No Formal Education - Full Time Warehouse Manager of Family Owned Business, Part Time Floor Staff with Me, Saving for Own Restaurant

18) 21 Years Old - No Formal Education - Part Time Writer Seeking Publication, Part Time Floor Staff with Me

19) 24 Years Old - No Formal Education - Recently Laid-Off Radio Shack Assistant Manager, Father-To-Be, Part Time Floor Staff with Me

 

These aren't losers. These are people trying to better themselves despite the stress and struggles of the poverty line...or those that really have no other choice.

 

The floor staff could be making minimum wage, but I practice what I preach. When I was given control over my wages two years ago, I started raising them. My staff went from $7.25 to $9.25 and my Managers went from $8.75 to $15. I hope to further increase my staff wages to $10 by 2016. Even after these changes, my wages come in at about 10-15% of revenue each month. I can afford more.

 

And a funny thing happened. My employees became...happy. Despite less attendance due to poor film product and increased wages, we made more money in 2014 than we did in 2013. My market share increased. My concession purchases per patron increased. I haven't had an employee quit on me or get fired in that two year span. I've have had three go on to find jobs in their chosen field after completing college, though. One of them now makes twice as much money as I do as a Software Engineer. Fock that guy.

 

You might consider hiring some girls, because I know you didn't just leave out can sizes.

[HenryHill9323 65]

so, you think all you have to do is be smart and hard working and you'll be rich? You're naive.

Not what I said at all. You can be smart and work hard, and never be rich.

 

What I said was the vast majority of those who get ahead are smart and hard working vs dumb and lazy. Apparently you disagree.

[edjr 6,898]

We did well as a group keeping this thread out of the political sissy slapfighting for much longer than expected.

 

Nice work geeks.

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

Not what I said at all. You can be smart and work hard, and never be rich.

 

What I said was the vast majority of those who get ahead are smart and hard working vs dumb and lazy. Apparently you disagree.

 

The people on Wall Street be getting rich. I wouldnt call them hard working. And if going to daddy's alma mater and having a connect is considered smart, I disagree.

[Saint Elistan 106]

 

You might consider hiring some girls, because I know you didn't just leave out can sizes.

 

 

Fock...

 

1) DD - Fat

2) A

3) Dude

4) A

5) D

6) B

7) Dude

8) C

9) B

10) Dude

11) Dude

12) B

13) Dude

14) DD - Fat

15) Dude

16) Dude

17) Dude

18) C

19) Dude

Phew...

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Any of those Bs and Cs hot?

[edjr 6,898]

Any of those Bs and Cs hot?

 

you want to make sure you have no shot?

[IGotWorms 4,063]

 

you want to make sure you have no shot?

I'm trying to goad SE into a hostile work environment claim for our amusement

[HenryHill9323 65]

I'm trying to goad SE into a hostile work environment claim for our amusement

Another legal ploy failure on your part.

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

Another legal ploy failure on your part.

 

RMFF!

[Saint Elistan 106]

I'm trying to goad SE into a hostile work environment claim for our amusement

 

You mean I can't hire simply based on slutty facebook and instagram photos?

 

Also, yes. You don't get over $5.00 per ticket at concessions without a pretty face and cleavage.

[Saint Elistan 106]

[Vikings4ever 568]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/14/business/owner-of-gravity-payments-a-credit-card-processor-is-setting-a-new-minimum-wage-70000-a-year.html?_r=0

Not so good?

 

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ceo-raised-minimum-wage-70-212850113.html

When Dan Price, founder and CEO of the Seattle-based credit card payment processing firm Gravity Payments, announced he was raising the company's minimum salary to $70,000 a year, he was met with overwhelming enthusiasm.

"Everyone start[ed] screaming and cheering and just going crazy," Price told Business Insider shortly after he broke the news in April.

 

One employee told him the raise would allow him to fly his mom out from Puerto Rico to visit him in Seattle. Another said the raise would make it possible for him to raise a family with his wife. Overnight, Price became something of a folk hero — a small-business owner taking income inequality into his own hands.

 

But in the weeks since then, it's become clear that not everyone is equally pleased. Among the critics? Some of Price's own employees.

 

The New York Times reports that two of the company's "most valued" members have left the company, "spurred in part by their view that it was unfair to double the pay of some new hires while the longest-serving staff members got small or no raises."

[Mungwater 601]

Not so good?

 

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ceo-raised-minimum-wage-70-212850113.html

 

I took a math models class and the professor made a model to describe communism, which works to an extant with his formula, then the human element factor came in effect, the graph hit the Z axis and quickly plummeted. I always think of that when I see these articles, it'll either make people complacent and just take or the hard/better workers will leave for more money.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Not a trick. Just a straight forward question to determine if you understand the profit impact of raising wages from $7.25 to $15/hr.

 

No matter how you slice it, doubling payroll for front line workers could increase a restaurant's total operating cost by 20-30%. Neither the franchises nor the corporations can afford that kind of hit.

 

Beyond that, being a fast food worker shouldn't command a $15/hr. wage. The work they do simply isn't that valuable.

 

I'm stereotyping and going in a slightly different direction here, but it seems like jewish, greek, middle eastern, and asians have this whole thing figured out better than the rest of us. Get a job, live below your means, save money, invest money, buy businesses and help set up your family to do the same.

 

Whites, Blacks and Hispanics should closely examine how it's done.

Until recently, I managed a Waffle House. The founders grandson (and soon to be CEO) started a test program in North Carolina, where the cooks, rather than the $7.25 to $9.00 they were making, would be grouped into three tiers.

 

Tier one makes minimum wage or close. This is mainly for new employees.

 

Tier two makes $11.25 and up. To get there, you have to pass tests and demonstrate certain levels of skill and work ethic.

 

Tier three makes as much as $15.50 an hour.

 

This program was recently extended to our district.

 

Did operating cost go up? A little. But not as much as you would think. What is happening is that instead of a constantly turning over collection of felons and fockups, we are actually able to compete with local factories and warehouses. We are getting better employees. They care more. Rather than some idiot who lives in a motel and has a job for weed money, we get people who have families to support. They take their job seriously.

 

So now, one cook will often do on shifts where I had to staff two before. Food comes out faster, better, and more accurately. Therefore, we have more repeat business.

 

At first, I thought the guy was crazy. But he's right, and it's working.

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

Until recently, I managed a Waffle House. The founders grandson (and soon to be CEO) started a test program in North Carolina, where the cooks, rather than the $7.25 to $9.00 they were making, would be grouped into three tiers.

 

Tier one makes minimum wage or close. This is mainly for new employees.

 

Tier two makes $11.25 and up. To get there, you have to pass tests and demonstrate certain levels of skill and work ethic.

 

Tier three makes as much as $15.50 an hour.

 

 

This program was recently extended to our district.

 

Did operating cost go up? A little. But not as much as you would think. What is happening is that instead of a constantly turning over collection of felons and fockups, we are actually able to compete with local factories and warehouses. We are getting better employees. They care more. Rather than some idiot who lives in a motel and has a job for weed money, we get people who have families to support. They take their job seriously.

 

So now, one cook will often do on shifts where I had to staff two before. Food comes out faster, better, and more accurately. Therefore, we have more repeat business.

 

At first, I thought the guy was crazy. But he's right, and it's working.

 

I was in key west years back. We asked the pothead cab driver where are the local girls hanging out at. He said the Waffle House, they are all there on work release