jerryskids 6,962 Posted June 7, 2015 Jesus loves the poor and sick. Republicans despise them. http://www.ijreview.com/2015/03/276715-difference-liberals-conservatives-demonstrated-one-simple-powerful-story/ There are numerous anecdotal stories available on websites, many of them full of wit and wisdom, some of them just silly and spurious. A simple but powerful story has surfaced that seems to display at least a grain of truth. According to the story, conservatives and liberals have a much different view of what it means to be compassionate. This is how it goes: In all fairness, both Conservatives and Liberals are likely to walk on by. The Difference Between Conservatives and Liberals A Conservative and Liberal are walking down the street when they came to a homeless person. The Conservative gave him his business card and told him to come to his business for a job. He then took twenty dollars our of his pocket and gave it to the homeless person. The Liberal was very impressed and when they came to another homeless person he decided to help. He walked over to the homeless person and gave him directions to the welfare office. However, there may be some truth to the anecdote, since conservatives are reportedly more likely to give to “charity” than self-described liberals, according to several studies. There has been some criticism of that finding, however. An L.A. Times report claims that conservatives giving to churches ‘doesn’t count’ as charity, and that conservatives are ‘richer,’ and therefore that is the explanation for the disparity: On the other hand, even poorer conservatives across the country give more tocharity as a percentage of income, according to RT.com: The problem was that the survey [from the 2006 book “Who Really Cares” by Arthur C. Brooks] didn’t seem to accurately measure those categories and didn’t distinguish well between social conservatives or liberals and fiscal conservatives or liberals. What the MIT researchers did find, however, was that conservatives give more to religious organizations, such as their own churches, and liberals more to secular recipients. Conservatives may give more overall, MIT says, but that’s because they tend to be richer, so they have more money to give and get a larger tax benefit from giving it. The columnist George Will found several other striking metrics that underscore this point: Less well-off families from red states donate a relatively higher – and growing – proportion of their money to charity, while those at the top have been giving a smaller share as their income has increased, a new extensive study has revealed. Respected non-government sector newspaper The Philanthropy Chroniclecollated the itemized charity deductions on the tax returns of hundreds of millions of Americans between 2006 and 2012, the latest year available. While only about a third of all givers write off their charity expenses, the sums included about 80 percent of all donations in the country. Although liberal families’ incomes average 6 percent higher than those of conservative families, conservative-headed households give, on average, 30 percent more to charity than the average liberal-headed household ($1,600 per year vs. $1,227). People who reject the idea that “government has a responsibility to reduce income inequality” give an average of four times more than people who accept that proposition. Conservatives also donate more time and give more blood. It appears that despite the common objections to the studies, there is at least some truth to the notion that conservatives give more to charity, while liberals see the government as a source of ‘charity.’ Whether or not one agrees with the poignant anecdote, it at least gives people something to think about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,962 Posted June 7, 2015 No I don't believe you can. I used to wonder this as well and was floored when I learned people took it as truth. That' sounds great as a compromise for the 2 opposing sides but the devouts will tell you that's cheating. It's all or nothing, not to me but to the people that run the farce. If I'm a diick for saying this, fine. I will say this...if Christians came out and declared that the bible stories are just fables meant to convey a message, but that Christ and all that were still true...I'd have massively more respect for it and understand how people could believe. It's the devotion to the obviously untrue that makes me belittle and act like a priick towards their beliefs. This is 100% completely word for word how I feel about any and all religion. Right on the nose. Yes, you can. I'm not really sure what to say to you at this point. You are so confident in your intelligence but you know nothing; you wouldn't be the smartest person in the room if you were the only one in it. Catholicism gets railed all of the time by bible literalists because it relies on the interpretations and teaching of the Church leaders vs. direct biblical study. You might have heard of Catholicism, it is a pretty big Christian denomination. Full QuestionIs the story of Jonah and the whale a myth? AnswerCatholics are free to understand the story of Jonah and the whale as literal history or as didactic fiction. In Catholicism and Fundamentalism, Karl Keating writes: "The Catholic Church is silent on the proper interpretation of many biblical passages, readers being allowed to accept one of several understandings. Take, as an example, Jonah’s escapade at sea, which readers often find disturbing. Ronald Knox said that ‘no defender of the sense of Scripture ever pretended, surely, that this was a natural event. If it happened, it was certainly a miracle; and not to my mind a more startling miracle than the raising of Lazarus, in which I take it Catholics are certainly bound to believe. Surely what puts one off the story of Jonah is the element of the grotesque that is present in it’ (Ronald Knox and Arnold Lunn, Difficulties, Eyre and Spottiswoode, 109). "The most common interpretation nowadays, and one that is held by indubitably orthodox exegetes, is that the story of the prophet being swallowed and then disgorged by a ‘great fish’ is merely didactic fiction, a grand tale told to establish a religious point. Catholics are perfectly free to take this or a more literal view. . . . "Strictly literal interpretations of what happened to Jonah actually come in two forms. One relies on the fact that people apparently have been swallowed by whales and lived to talk about it. In 1891 a seaman, James Bartley, from a ship named the Star of the East, was found missing after an eighty-foot sperm whale had been caught. He was presumed drowned. The next day, when the crew cut up the whale, Bartley was discovered alive inside. If Jonah’s three days in the whale were counted like Christ’s three days in the tomb, after the Semitic fashion—that is, parts of three distinct days, but perhaps only slightly more than twenty-four hours total—then it is possible that Jonah could have been coughed up by that great fish just as his story says. This would be a purely natural explanation of the episode. "The other literal interpretation is that Jonah indeed underwent what the story, read as straight history, says he did but survived only because of a positive miracle, and several different sorts of miracles have been suggested, such as suspended animation on Jonah’s part or a fish with a remarkably large air supply and decidedly mild gastric juices" (Catholicism and Fundamentalism, Ignatius Press, 129–30). http://www.catholic.com/quickquestions/is-the-story-of-jonah-and-the-whale-a-myth Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted June 7, 2015 Who the F are you? Don't like it move on. You're so non descript I thought you were the drunk guy, shotsup. Be more interesting or go away. Because you are somebody? Haha!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magnificent Bastard 191 Posted June 7, 2015 Because you are somebody? Haha!!!![/quote Maybe, maybe not, but I'm not a non entity like you. Get some personality. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted June 7, 2015 Because you are somebody? Haha!!!![/quote Maybe, maybe not, but I'm not a non entity like you. Get some personality. You are the very definition of a non entity...here and likely everywhere you go. Sorry you can't take the criticism of what you were doing with your foolish trolling. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magnificent Bastard 191 Posted June 7, 2015 You are the very definition of a non entity...here and likely everywhere you go. Sorry you can't take the criticism of what you were doing with your foolish trolling. This whole place is trolling. What are you, the hall monitor? Dork. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted June 7, 2015 This whole place is trolling. What are you, the hall monitor? Dork. Never made it out of middle school did you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,062 Posted June 7, 2015 Yes, you can. I'm not really sure what to say to you at this point. You are so confident in your intelligence but you know nothing; you wouldn't be the smartest person in the room if you were the only one in it. Catholicism gets railed all of the time by bible literalists because it relies on the interpretations and teaching of the Church leaders vs. direct biblical study. You might have heard of Catholicism, it is a pretty big Christian denomination. This is a fair enough point but the insults do absolutely nothing to strengthen your stance. It's a pretty commonly known thing that Christians take the bible as literal so your on the side of the argument that needs to come up with something. My stance already has roots and merit. If it doesn't and I'm not getting my facts right then by all means shed light. Yes Iv heard of Catholics. They are the group that touches little boys and should be burned off the face of the earth like a gang of genital warts. But it's interesting that they get picked on by the others for interpretations rather than literal study. If that's even true, wich I'll take your word for. But see your getting better at debate. This is the first post that you actually gave me something to think about (the point about Catholics) rather than just firing off insults. I think I'm slowly teaching you the art of debate. Not trying to be snarky, I really mean that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted June 7, 2015 Yes...Catholics should get burned off the face of the earth because of the acts of some Priests...holy fock!!! Debate? You don't debate...you state your stance...and insult those who don't believe everything you do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,962 Posted June 7, 2015 This is a fair enough point but the insults do absolutely nothing to strengthen your stance. It's a pretty commonly known thing that Christians take the bible as literal so your on the side of the argument that needs to come up with something. My stance already has roots and merit. If it doesn't and I'm not getting my facts right then by all means shed light. Yes Iv heard of Catholics. They are the group that touches little boys and should be burned off the face of the earth like a gang of genital warts. But it's interesting that they get picked on by the others for interpretations rather than literal study. If that's even true, wich I'll take your word for. But see your getting better at debate. This is the first post that you actually gave me something to think about (the point about Catholics) rather than just firing off insults. I think I'm slowly teaching you the art of debate. Not trying to be snarky, I really mean that. I'm guessing you are 14, maybe 15 yrs old. And I assure you the only thing you've taught me is how not to debate. "It's a pretty commonly known thing that Christians take the bible is literal" is patently false and comes off as grade school logic. You assume it is true and think you are teaching us stuff; instead you are teaching us that you are uneducated on this topic. And thinking all Catholics touch little boys and should be burned of the face of the earth... difficult to argue with those debate skills. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,062 Posted June 7, 2015 I'm guessing you are 14, maybe 15 yrs old. And I assure you the only thing you've taught me is how not to debate. "It's a pretty commonly known thing that Christians take the bible is literal" is patently false and comes off as grade school logic. You assume it is true and think you are teaching us stuff; instead you are teaching us that you are uneducated on this topic. And thinking all Catholics touch little boys and should be burned of the face of the earth... difficult to argue with those debate skills. Ah the "you must be 15yrs old" burn, a fallback that was played out a decade ago. It especially doesn't work in a forum where all of us same guys have been posting for years together. I know for a fact you have better stuff than that. Not much better, but a bit better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magnificent Bastard 191 Posted June 7, 2015 Yes...Catholics should get burned off the face of the earth because of the acts of some Priests...holy fock!!! Debate? You don't debate...you state your stance...and insult those who don't believe everything you do. Tilt Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,062 Posted June 7, 2015 Yes...Catholics should get burned off the face of the earth because of the acts of some Priests...holy fock!!! Debate? You don't debate...you state your stance...and insult those who don't believe everything you do. Dude when that scandal broke it was left and right people coming out of the woodwork. Victims, priests, it was a nightmare. They've done decent damage control as they are no longer a national punchline but it was really bad for awhile. I'm prob being too hard on them and my biased opinion is prob too extreme. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted June 7, 2015 Dude when that scandal broke it was left and right people coming out of the woodwork. Victims, priests, it was a nightmare. They've done decent damage control as they are no longer a national punchline but it was really bad for awhile. I'm prob being too hard on them and my biased opinion is prob too extreme. I know how bad it was...but to claim all catholics should be burned off the earyh for the actiins of a small percentage is completely foolish thing to say. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,962 Posted June 7, 2015 Ah the "you must be 15yrs old" burn, a fallback that was played out a decade ago. It especially doesn't work in a forum where all of us same guys have been posting for years together. I know for a fact you have better stuff than that. Not much better, but a bit better. No, seriously, you post like a child. And I noticed you didn't address the substantive things in my post. I'd appreciate if you would do that, as I look to learn from the debate master. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,062 Posted June 7, 2015 No, seriously, you post like a child. And I noticed you didn't address the substantive things in my post. I'd appreciate if you would do that, as I look to learn from the debate master. What!? I did address it, I said you gave me something to think about. I have no response to it cuz I don't know anything about Catholicism besides the molesting. I genuinely didn't know any faction of the church thought differently. Its good to know they can have faith and use logic simultaneously. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,962 Posted June 7, 2015 What!? I did address it, I said you gave me something to think about. I have no response to it cuz I don't know anything about Catholicism besides the molesting. I genuinely didn't know any faction of the church thought differently. Its good to know they can have faith and use logic simultaneously. Can we take this as an admission that you don't know anything about the positions of major Christian groups, and that all of your blathering on the topic was ill-informed attempts to justify an ignorant position regarding Christians vis a vis the Bible? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,062 Posted June 7, 2015 Can we take this as an admission that you don't know anything about the positions of major Christian groups, and that all of your blathering on the topic was ill-informed attempts to justify an ignorant position regarding Christians vis a vis the Bible? Pretty much yes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,962 Posted June 7, 2015 Pretty much yes. Great. Thank you for the debate lesson. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,962 Posted June 7, 2015 http://www.ijreview.com/2015/03/276715-difference-liberals-conservatives-demonstrated-one-simple-powerful-story/ So now that tanatastic has been euthanized, perhaps MB will address this response to his assertion that Republicans despise the poor and sick? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magnificent Bastard 191 Posted June 7, 2015 So now that tanatastic has been euthanized, perhaps MB will address this response to his assertion that Republicans despise the poor and sick? Yes, hyperbole on my part, but when it comes to republicans and the policies they support, I don't think they exactly jive with the teachings of Jesus, their supposed savior. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,062 Posted June 7, 2015 Great. Thank you for the debate lesson. Debate and knowledge are not the same. One can out debate someone without knowing as much about what they are talking about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,962 Posted June 7, 2015 Debate and knowledge are not the same. One can out debate someone without knowing as much about what they are talking about. True. But I just biotch-slapped you in the debate (which before you say it, was regarding Christians necessarily being biblical literalists, not the existence of the Christian God), and you admitted you have no knowledge. Your point? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,062 Posted June 7, 2015 True. But I just biotch-slapped you in the debate (which before you say it, was regarding Christians necessarily being biblical literalists, not the existence of the Christian God), and you admitted you have no knowledge. Your point?Yes, you made 1 whole point in the entire argument wich I admitted was a thought provoking point...if you call that a debate win, then fine, take it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,962 Posted June 7, 2015 Yes, hyperbole on my part, but when it comes to republicans and the policies they support, I don't think they exactly jive with the teachings of Jesus, their supposed savior. Well, that's the point. Liberals like the idea of taking other people's money (but rarely their own) to give to an incredibly inefficient government so that they can wash their hands of the problem yet feel like they actually care. It's a tip, you really don't care. Unless you give generously of your money and/or time to charities, and maybe check that box to give extra on your taxes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,962 Posted June 7, 2015 Yes, you made 1 whole point in the entire argument wich I admitted was a thought provoking point...if you call that a debate win, then fine, take it. Umm, you said "pretty much yes" in response to a statement which completely eliminated your argument. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted June 7, 2015 jerry schooled the ignorant hacks in this thread Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frank M 181 Posted June 7, 2015 http://www.catholic.com/quickquestions/is-the-story-of-jonah-and-the-whale-a-myth "The most common interpretation nowadays, and one that is held by indubitably orthodox exegetes, is that the story of the prophet being swallowed and then disgorged by a ‘great fish’ is merely didactic fiction, a grand tale told to establish a religious point. Catholics are perfectly free to take this or a more literal view. . . . "Strictly literal interpretations of what happened to Jonah actually come in two forms. One relies on the fact that people apparently have been swallowed by whales and lived to talk about it. In 1891 a seaman, James Bartley, from a ship named the Star of the East, was found missing after an eighty-foot sperm whale had been caught. He was presumed drowned. The next day, when the crew cut up the whale, Bartley was discovered alive inside. If Jonah’s three days in the whale were counted like Christ’s three days in the tomb, after the Semitic fashion—that is, parts of three distinct days, but perhaps only slightly more than twenty-four hours total—then it is possible that Jonah could have been coughed up by that great fish just as his story says. This would be a purely natural explanation of the episode. This story has never been proven true, and in fact, the wife of the man who was the captain of the Star of the East, claimed that it was a story made up by one of the sailors aboard the vessel. There was never a man named James Bartley on the crew. http://www.truthorfiction.com/newjonah/ The definitive research into this story has been done by Edward B. Davis, a professor at Messiah College in Grantham, Pennsylvania. He was curious to try to document the story since it was so often repeated in Christian literature and had even found its way into several Bible commentaries.His research is summarized in an article in ‘The American Scientific Affiliation’, published in 1991. Davis not only scoured newspaper files, original documents and libraries, but spent time in England tracking down some of the sources. He verified, for example, that there really had been a vessel named the ‘Star of the East’ and that its captain was a man named J.B. Killam. He followed the trail of the great British engineer, Sir Francis Fox, who was so struck with the Bartley story that he included a chapter on it in his autobiography, published in 1924. The result of Davis’s research was that he could not find any credible evidence to support the James Bartley story. In fact, he found evidence which made the story seem more questionable. He checked out a report that Bartley had been treated at a London hospital for the effects of the whale’s gastric juices on his skin, but could not find any substantiation for it. When he read through the documents about the particular voyage during which the alleged whale incident happened, James Bartley was not listed as a crew member. More damaging to the story was a letter written by the wife of the captain of the ‘Star of the East,’ Mrs John Killam. The contents of her letter were published in 1907 in ‘The Expository Times’ by a reader who had corresponded with Mrs Killam about the whale story. She said, “There is not one word of truth to the whale story. I was with my husband all the years he was in the Star of the East. There was never a man lost overboard while my husband was with her. The sailor has told a great sea yarn.” Again, if one wants to take the Bible literally, that's no skin off my nose. It involves a level of acceptance without investigation that I'd never be comfortable with, but that's my choice. But the only explanations that is possible for stories like Jonah are that they are either miracles or metaphorical. I'm not quite sure why people need to put forth a natural explanation for things that are impossible when they are going to believe them without question anyway. When they do, they come off looking foolish. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flyfreak 84 Posted June 7, 2015 Again, if one wants to take the Bible literally, that's no skin off my nose. It involves a level of acceptance without investigation that I'd never be comfortable with, but that's my choice. But the only explanations that is possible for stories like Jonah are that they are either miracles or metaphorical. I'm not quite sure why people need to put forth a natural explanation for things that are impossible when they are going to believe them without question anyway. When they do, they come off looking foolish. one of the major problems people have when reading the bible is called proof texting (the method by which a person appeals to a biblical text to prove or justify a theological position without regard for the context of the passage they are citing)...the bible was god's revelation to ancient people with the intended purpose of helping them gain proper theology...you can't just lift biblical stories out of their ancient cultural contexts and pretend that they happened this morning in our modern western culture Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted June 7, 2015 jerry schooled the ignorant hacks in this thread He did. Absolutely. And something very strange happened as I witnessed it and it's something we can all learn from (myself included). Opinion-wise, I'm actually closer to tanatastic's views than I am Jerry's. I have HUGE doubts about the existence of God. I am as close to being an atheist as one can possibly be without fully committing. But Tanatastic was such a pompous, arrogant, know-it-all on the subject that I was happy to see Jerry destroy him. When it comes to delicate issues like religion, you must respect each other's opinions. 99% of the people who believe in God do so for the right reasons. However misguided they may or may not be. I've often expressed my frustration for people who use religion/the bible as a reason to hate or deny rights to other humans. But other than that, someone believing in God has zero effect on me. And as I said earlier, people who try to ridicule and mock others for their religious beliefs are lowlife scumbags. And Mr Debate Master was the very definition of that. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magnificent Bastard 191 Posted June 7, 2015 Well, that's the point. Liberals like the idea of taking other people's money (but rarely their own) to give to an incredibly inefficient government so that they can wash their hands of the problem yet feel like they actually care. It's a tip, you really don't care. Unless you give generously of your money and/or time to charities, and maybe check that box to give extra on your taxes. That perfectly describes the liberal you have created in your mind. Once again, republican policies are not very Jesus like, and that was my point, not juxtaposing them vs liberal policies. Jesus was most definetly not for the death penalty, and I doubt he would support cutting food stamps. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flyfreak 84 Posted June 7, 2015 That perfectly describes the liberal you have created in your mind. Once again, republican policies are not very Jesus like, and that was my point, not juxtaposing them vs liberal policies. Jesus was most definetly not for the death penalty, and I doubt he would support cutting food stamps. jesus main political pitch was "give to caesar what is caesars and to god what is gods"...he wasn't a strong proponent of earthly politics, but was very interested in the kingdom of god which he wanted his followers to live out as well...the problem with the church in america is that judeo-christian values have been woven into the fabric of our political culture since the founding and now as the political climate is moving into post-chrisitan, most of those values are no longer being supported by the laws being passed which has many christians in arms, because they have somehow bought into the lie that the u.s. is the kingdom of god . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magnificent Bastard 191 Posted June 7, 2015 jesus main political pitch was "give to caesar what is caesars and to god what is gods"...he wasn't a strong proponent of earthly politics, but was very interested in the kingdom of god which he wanted his followers to live out as well...the problem with the church in america is that judeo-christian values have been woven into the fabric of our political culture since the founding and now as the political climate is moving into post-chrisitan, most of those values are no longer being supported by the laws being passed which has many christians in arms, because they have somehow bought into the lie that the u.s. is the kingdom of god . I do believe the "render unto Caeser" quote was Jesus' reply when asked about taxes, I don't think it was giving approval of the death penalty. And those making the rules at that time were not Christians, so I think Jesus would expect those that claim him as their savior and want to gain entry in to heaven would carry out his work when given the opportunity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flyfreak 84 Posted June 7, 2015 I do believe the "render unto Caeser" quote was Jesus' reply when asked about taxes, I don't think it was giving approval of the death penalty. And those making the rules at that time were not Christians, so I think Jesus would expect those that claim him as their savior and want to gain entry in to heaven would carry out his work when given the opportunity. well, the local israelite community did follow the law from the o.t. and it included the death penalty and the example of render unto caesar has deeper implications than just paying taxes as it bleeds into submission to the governing authorities Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magnificent Bastard 191 Posted June 7, 2015 well, the local israelite community did follow the law from the o.t. and it included the death penalty and the example of render unto caesar has deeper implications than just paying taxes as it bleeds into submission to the governing authorities So now Jesus submitted to governing authorities? Oh man. Once again, you can not be trying to possibly spin that Jesus approved of the Death Penalty, are you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magnificent Bastard 191 Posted June 7, 2015 well, the local israelite community did follow the law from the o.t. and it included the death penalty and the example of render unto caesar has deeper implications than just paying taxes as it bleeds into submission to the governing authorities And those implications you speak of are interpitations by mortal man, Not the words of Christ. The quote about Caesar was in relation to taxes, the rest is made up by men. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,962 Posted June 7, 2015 This story has never been proven true, and in fact, the wife of the man who was the captain of the Star of the East, claimed that it was a story made up by one of the sailors aboard the vessel. There was never a man named James Bartley on the crew. http://www.truthorfiction.com/newjonah/ Again, if one wants to take the Bible literally, that's no skin off my nose. It involves a level of acceptance without investigation that I'd never be comfortable with, but that's my choice. But the only explanations that is possible for stories like Jonah are that they are either miracles or metaphorical. I'm not quite sure why people need to put forth a natural explanation for things that are impossible when they are going to believe them without question anyway. When they do, they come off looking foolish. For the record, I posted that to contradict tanatastic's position that all Christians are biblical literalists, not to defend any of the positions in it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flyfreak 84 Posted June 7, 2015 And those implications you speak of are interpitations by mortal man, Not the words of Christ. The quote about Caesar was in relation to taxes, the rest is made up by men. jesus was a jew who followed the laws of israel as passed down from god to moses to establish social justice for the israelite community...capital punishment was a part of jewish law and was accepted by all jews including jesus...we know he addressed the issue when he called out the hypocrisy of the pharisees for condemning an adulterous woman who was to be stoned to death Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flyfreak 84 Posted June 7, 2015 So now Jesus submitted to governing authorities? Oh man. Once again, you can not be trying to possibly spin that Jesus approved of the Death Penalty, are you? why wouldn't he support the death penalty as a consequence for premeditated murder? it was part of the jewish law instituted by god Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,962 Posted June 7, 2015 That perfectly describes the liberal you have created in your mind. Once again, republican policies are not very Jesus like, and that was my point, not juxtaposing them vs liberal policies. Jesus was most definetly not for the death penalty, and I doubt he would support cutting food stamps. Sorta like the conservative you've created in your mind? Read the story at the beginning of my link. The conservative gives the homeless person $20 and a business card to call him about a job; the liberal gives the next one directions to the welfare office. The shallow model of the conservatives formed in the minds of liberals is that we all hate the poor and sick. That's just not true. We have different ideas of how to better help the poor and sick. Also I believe that Jesus would have wanted to help the true poor and sick, but to the GFs of the world, he'd have told him to get off his ass and get a job. That's basically how I feel. Also also I lean against the death penalty. And I didn't realize that that was a party position. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites