My Problem with Trans Jenner

[Eaglesin14 12]

Every honest interpretation of the Bible concludes the earth is only a few thousand years old, most likely about 6,000 - paragraph 2.

 

It's okay Bubba. You're just some day divorcee from the dumbest state in the union. You actually believe that all the silly stuff in the Bible happened.

 

That makes you no dumber than most people from Texass.

....Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand MDC throws the gun.

[MDC 7,652]

most of those interpretations aren't accurate, in fact many new interpretations don't even address the material aspect of creation, but rather the functions that bring order to creation

 

ancient cosmology wasn't interested in the same things as we find in modern science, both are totally unrelated

If I were a Christian conservative I would probably stay away from the more creative / supernatural elements of the Bible too.

 

I mean, every same person knows Noah did not actually build an arc that could hold 2 of every animal to repopulate the earth after the flood. Right?

 

Just go with "allegory." Other people may not agree with you but they probably won't think you're a freak.

[MDC 7,652]

....Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand MDC throws the gun.

You're right Cletus, everything in the Bible was true.

[Flyfreak 84]

If I were a Christian conservative I would probably stay away from the more creative / supernatural elements of the Bible too.

I mean, every same person knows Noah did not actually build an arc that could hold 2 of every animal to repopulate the earth after the flood. Right?

Just go with "allegory." Other people may not agree with you but they probably won't think you're a freak.

I'm Rick James b*tch

[Sho Nuff 720]

Weird how the PhD president of the Institute for Christian Research agrees.

Why even try?

[Eaglesin14 12]

Why even try?

For every one of his "Phds" from sources he can't remember I can bring one to refute their theory.

 

Do you have the chapter and verse of the bible that says earth is only 6000 years old?

[drobeski 3,061]

liberals only care about the poor on election day, will even give them a free ride and a pack of butts to do it.

phonies

[kutulu 1,692]

Im prob the most reasonable debator on the entire internet. I use only logic, reason, common sense and empathy when debating. That means I put myself in your shoes and try to see it from your perspective. But its like im trying to debate wether there is a santa clause with a 3yr old. Im not saying anyone is dumb as a 3yr old, im comparing concepts.

 

My argument: Santa is illogical, theres no way he could hit that many houses in a night, cant fit in chimney, houses dont all have chimneys etc. etc on and on.

 

Counter argument: Well you believe what you want. Im saying theres a santa and thats all there is to it. Just trust in santa and all will be well. cuz reasons.

 

Me: But...logic and common sense and reason? Facts?

 

Counter: Nope sorry, I believe and thats all there is to it. Even tho the things I believe cant possibly be true, I still do.

 

 

See? Thats how every discussion about treligeon goes. I love analogys and im a master of them so ill bless you with another. Lets say its you vs me and my argument is that I have a magic banana that can grant wishes and do whatever I want. My argument is that even tho its absurd and I cant prove it to you in any way shape or form, my banana is still magic and thats what I believe. Your argument is...well, you dont have much of one since its so ridiculous and silly that your argument really goes unsaid. See my point? My philosophies are aristotelian in wisdom so I understand if not. No offense , im just aware that my tutelage requires a level of reading comprehension far greater than an avg person should be expected to have.

 

Tell me more about this magic

[Flyfreak 84]

Tell me more about this magic

hahahaha

[Voltaire 5,388]

Which chapter and verse of the Bible states that the earth is 6000 years old?

I think the ones who do so counted up the 'begats' and pulled out a calculator.

[Flyfreak 84]

I think the ones who do so counted up the 'begats' and pulled out a calculator.

another example of misunderstanding scripture

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

another example of misunderstanding scripture

Gee, you'd think an all knowing diety would deliver his message in a more clearly written book.

 

Or you know, not let the early church desroy pieces of it and the Catholic Church Fock with it for a millennia.

[Flyfreak 84]

Gee, you'd think an all knowing diety would deliver his message in a more clearly written book.

Or you know, not let the early church desroy pieces of it and the Catholic Church Fock with it for a millennia.

the bible isn't the problem, poor interpretive hermeneutics are

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

the bible isn't the problem, poor interpretive hermeneutics are

Yeah, we've only been interpreting it for two millennia now.

 

Maybe soon they'll get an interpretation that makes sense.

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

Council of Nicea

[Eaglesin14 12]

Yeah, we've only been interpreting it for two millennia now.

 

Maybe soon they'll get an interpretation that makes sense.

I've been thinking the same thing about your Declaration of IndependAnce.

[Flyfreak 84]

Yeah, we've only been interpreting it for two millennia now.

 

Maybe soon they'll get an interpretation that makes sense.

i'd say bible translations often get confused with bible interpretation

 

proper interpretation deals with not only hebrew, greek and aribic word translation, sentence structure and genre (wisdom literature, narrative, apocalyptic, etc), but also ancient cultural nuances that greatly impact the meaning of the passage

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

i'd say bible translations often get confused with bible interpretation

 

proper interpretation deals with not only hebrew, greek and aribic word translation, sentence structure and genre (wisdom literature, narrative, apocalyptic, etc), but also ancient cultural nuances that greatly impact the meaning of the passage

Sure. And over the millennia, the church has "interpreted" out much of the supposed gospel. It is easier to make it say what you want that way.

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

The council of Nicea is where the

bible and what is in it was decided. It happened hundreds of years after JC. Some things were left out, some put in. Whether Jesus was actually divine was debated. Now think about that, we are thousands of years after Jesus, and we debate the goings on in the bible, and those guys only a few hundred years after JC ahead to hash out what goes in it. Even back then, the bishops who attended disagreed on major points.

[Flyfreak 84]

Sure. And over the millennia, the church has "interpreted" out much of the supposed gospel. It is easier to make it say what you want that way.

give me a few examples of what you mean by "interpreted out much of the supposed gospel"

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

give me a few examples of what you mean by "interpreted out much of the supposed gospel"

The gnostic gospels (they killed off the gnosics too)

The gospel of Mary magdellene

Gospel of Thomas

 

There are others

[Frank M 181]

You're right Cletus, everything in the Bible was true.

 

Logic according to RP:

 

Easily disproven things that Bible literalists hold to be true, like the Earth only being thousands of years old: That's not in the Bible

 

Impossible things that can't be disproven since there is no evidence of them and we don't have a time machine to go back and see if they happened, like the ark story: God is omnipotent.

 

[Eaglesin14 12]

 

 

Easily disproven things that Bible literalists hold to be true, like the Earth only being thousands of years old: That's not in the Bible

 

 

Chapter and verse?

[Flyfreak 84]

The gnostic gospels (they killed off the gnosics too)

The gospel of Mary magdellene

Gospel of Thomas

There are others

well, those writings weren't inspired by god and never passed the test of canonicity

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

Logic according to RP:

 

 

 

Does not compute.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

well, those writings weren't inspired by god and never passed the test of canonicity

Right. So god inspired pretty much everyone else in Jesus circle of friends except Thomas and Mary. Hmmm... It's almost like the church didn't want women to have any role except birthing Jesus.

 

And then there was a big political conference to determine what was inspired by God, which included all of Paul's anti sex propaganda letters written long after Jesus died.

 

But firsthand accounts from people who are there? Throw that sh!t out.

 

It's almost like the early church wanted the bible to properly control the masses or something. Cut Mary out, we don't want women getting all uppity. And let's make sex a bad sin, thus saddling everyone with guilt and fear of perdition.

 

But wait! There is a cure for sin! Give us 10% of your stuff, keep us in Cushy opulence, and hey, if you do something real bad, buy an indulgence!

 

It's such a blatant power and money grab aimed at unsophisticated people. Amazing it still works.

[MDC 7,652]

 

Logic according to RP:

 

Easily disproven things that Bible literalists hold to be true, like the Earth only being thousands of years old: That's not in the Bible

 

Impossible things that can't be disproven since there is no evidence of them and we don't have a time machine to go back and see if they happened, like the ark story: God is omnipotent.

 

Like all people from Texass, Bubba Joe Bob Pilot is stupid enough to believe that Noah built a boat to hold 2 of every species on earth.

[Eaglesin14 12]

 

Impossible things that can't be disproven since there is no evidence of them and we don't have a time machine to go back and see if they happened, like the ark story: God is omnipotent.

 

 

I was under the impression that Christians believe that God created the heavens and the earth. So, if he was able to create the earth, and every one of the stars in all the galaxies, it seems to me he could direct the building of a boat that was big enough to hold two of every animal on earth.

 

If a Christian believes the first part of the above, is it a stretch to think the second is possible?

 

Once again, you are having trouble with the meaning of omnipotent.

[MDC 7,652]

I was under the impression that Christians believe that God created the heavens and the earth. So, if he was able to create the earth, and every one of the stars in all the galaxies, it seems to me he could direct the building of a boat that was big enough to hold two of every animal on earth.

 

If a Christian believes the first part of the above, is it a stretch to think the second is possible?

 

Once again, you are having trouble with the meaning of omnipotent.

Do you believe the Noah's arc story actually did happen???

[NewbieJr 541]

Do you believe the Noah's arc story actually did happen???

Good luck getting that straight answer

[MDC 7,652]

Good luck getting that straight answer

Even Bubba Joe Pilot doesn't want to admit that he believes the floating zoo story.

[Eaglesin14 12]

Do you believe the Noah's arc story actually did happen???

I'm simply outlining what I believe to be the Christian stance on the issue. I don't claim to be a biblical scholar.

 

Are you saying an entity with infinite power couldn't pull it off?

[MDC 7,652]

I'm simply outlining what I believe to be the Christian stance on the issue. I don't claim to be a biblical scholar.

 

Are you saying an entity with infinite power couldn't pull it off?

I'm asking whether you personally think the Noah's arc story is true.

[NewbieJr 541]

I'm asking whether you personally think the Noah's arc story is true.

attempt #2. Lol

[Eaglesin14 12]

I'm asking whether you personally think the Noah's arc story is true.

Unlike some here, I'm not arrogant enough to emphatically state that God does not exist.

 

Do you think an entity with infinite power couldn't pull it off?

[Frank M 181]

I was under the impression that Christians believe that God created the heavens and the earth. So, if he was able to create the earth, and every one of the stars in all the galaxies, it seems to me he could direct the building of a boat that was big enough to hold two of every animal on earth.

 

If a Christian believes the first part of the above, is it a stretch to think the second is possible?

 

Once again, you are having trouble with the meaning of omnipotent.

 

I know what it means. I'm mocking you for using it as proof of anything.

 

Once again, you have no idea of the meaning of proof.

[Eaglesin14 12]

 

I know what it means. I'm mocking you for using it as proof of anything.

 

Once again, you have no idea of the meaning of proof.

Link to me saying it proves anything?

[tanatastic 2,062]

Unlike some here, I'm not arrogant enough to emphatically state that God does not exist.

 

Do you think an entity with infinite power couldn't pull it off?

My only concern is that the basis of the argument FOR religeon relies on there being a god with omnipotent magic powers. I know its impossible but lets just break this down logically..ill make it very simple.

 

Wich side of the argument is sanely, logically, realistically, most likely to be true..

 

1. Theres a magic omnipotent god who made all sorts of wacky miricles and stories happen. The proof of this is only the word of people thousands of years ago written in a man made book. From a time where the wind blowing hard could be considered an act of god. There is no other proof. No one has seen anything ever.

 

OR

 

2. That book and the stories are completely made up and what we know about science and the world now COMPLETELY debunks every word of the bible and its stories (the word is older than 6-10kk years old, we have proven that, this should end the debate right there.) that its all just a misunderstood bunch of complete baloney.

 

Honestly look at my 2 options, dont use your heart, use your head...Wich is more likely? The word of people who invented a means to control braindead medievil peasants? Or things we have proven with science time and time again in the modern world?

[Eaglesin14 12]

Chapter and verse of the Bible that says the earth is only 6000 years old?

[tanatastic 2,062]

Chapter and verse of the Bible that says the earth is only 6000 years old?

Its a known thing that christianity puts the age of the earth at 6-10k years old. Someone else can cite it since I stopped reading fairy tales at a young age. Yes, you have to swallow that 10k years ago, a bearded man in the clouds placed every animal that has ever lived on the planet. That includes Trex, hippos, modern man, cats etc. Dinosaurs and man lived happily together 10k years ago lol...despite HARD PROOF that the fossils are millions of years old.