My Problem with Trans Jenner

[Frank M 181]

 

For the record, I posted that to contradict tanatastic's position that all Christians are biblical literalists, not to defend any of the positions in it.

 

I was a little curious as to why you posted that, since you never came across as a bible literalist.

[Eaglesin14 12]

LOLOLOL that's about the easiest thing in the world to do. Noah ark couldn't hold that many animals including Trex and all the dinosaurs. Also they couldn't walk from one end of the earth to the other as only a pair.

 

Done. Do I win? Didn't think so. The debate rages on...inexplicably.

 

I'll throw in a bonus debunking...The earth is not 10k years old. We can prove that. Many many many dif ways. Like as in its not a debate...it's not up for discussion...it's a fact. Bible done, whole religeon debunked. Need I go on? It's embarrassing.

I typically ignore you simply because you really aren't worth the effort.

 

However, as to Noah please see:

 

omnipotent

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almighty or infinite in power, as God.

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As for how old the Earth is, I already provided a link debunking the lie that Christians believe the Earth is literally only 6000 years old.

[Frank M 181]

Sorta like the conservative you've created in your mind?

 

Read the story at the beginning of my link. The conservative gives the homeless person $20 and a business card to call him about a job; the liberal gives the next one directions to the welfare office.

 

The shallow model of the conservatives formed in the minds of liberals is that we all hate the poor and sick. That's just not true. We have different ideas of how to better help the poor and sick.

 

Also I believe that Jesus would have wanted to help the true poor and sick, but to the GFs of the world, he'd have told him to get off his ass and get a job. That's basically how I feel.

 

Also also I lean against the death penalty. And I didn't realize that that was a party position.

 

And the shallow model of liberals formed in the minds of conservatives is that we all want the government to take care of everybody.

 

Here's a "story" for you

 

 

The Difference Between Conservatives and Liberals

 

A Conservative and Liberal are walking down the street when they came to a homeless person.

The Conservative told him that his homelessness was a consequence of not working hard enough and that he needed to get a job and stop relying on the charity of others.

The Liberal was shocked at the Conservative's callousness and when they came to another homeless person he decided to help.

He walked over to the homeless person, bought him a sandwich and a cup of coffee and directed him to a shelter where he could get off the streets long enough to get job training and mental health assistance so that he could turn his life around.

 

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

Sorta like the conservative you've created in your mind?

 

Read the story at the beginning of my link. The conservative gives the homeless person $20 and a business card to call him about a job; the liberal gives the next one directions to the welfare office.

 

The shallow model of the conservatives formed in the minds of liberals is that we all hate the poor and sick. That's just not true. We have different ideas of how to better help the poor and sick.

 

Also I believe that Jesus would have wanted to help the true poor and sick, but to the GFs of the world, he'd have told him to get off his ass and get a job. That's basically how I feel.

 

Also also I lean against the death penalty. And I didn't realize that that was a party position.

You didn't realize the death penalty was a republican position? Now you know, it is. And Jesus didn't "lean"'against the death penalty. It's in his top ten things of what not to do. And your story is just that. I'm talking actual policy.

[Eaglesin14 12]

Frank M, bringing his Facebook content.

[drobeski 3,061]

 

And the shallow model of liberals formed in the minds of conservatives is that we all want the government to take care of everybody.

 

Here's a "story" for you

 

you left out "as long as you vote democrat"

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

It's like when the people in Alabama wanted the 10 Commandments posted at the courthouse, the same courthouse where the death penalty was handed out. Is it, and the teachings of Christ, a symbol open for interpitations, or is it the word of God? It can't be both, at least not with the death penalty. That one is quite clear. And if it's not the word of God, then Jesus isn't the son of God. Make your choice.

[Flyfreak 84]

It's like when the people in Alabama wanted the 10 Commandments posted at the courthouse, the same courthouse where the death penalty was handed out. Is it, and the teachings of Christ, a symbol open for interpitations, or is it the word of God? It can't be both, at least not with the death penalty. That one is quite clear. And if it's not the word of God, then Jesus isn't the son of God. Make your choice.

maybe the people of Alabama are a lost tribe of ancient Israelites

[ZeroTolerance 584]

Without reading the previous eleven focking pages...

 

My issue with Jenner is that this is no longer (if it ever was) an issue of people respecting someone's decision and not being judgmental. It isn't an issue of society condemning a person for being transgender. It is one gigantic focking attention whoring publicity grab. As soon as I found out (s)he was going to get a reality show for this, I switched from "don't care at all/if this is what (s)he wants to do then good for him/her" to "this is every bit as pathetic as the rest of the Kardashian klan".

 

 

It's like when the people in Alabama wanted the 10 Commandments posted at the courthouse, the same courthouse where the death penalty was handed out. Is it, and the teachings of Christ, a symbol open for interpitations, or is it the word of God? It can't be both, at least not with the death penalty. That one is quite clear. And if it's not the word of God, then Jesus isn't the son of God. Make your choice.

 

My thought on the whole "Ten Commandments in a courthouse" thing was always an issue of how could people belonging to other religions feel like they are guaranteed equal treatment when there is a big plaque saying they are guilty of sin (that whole "thou shalt have no other gods before me" thing) from the start?

[Frank M 181]

Frank M, bringing his Facebook content.

Jesus Christ, you're stupid.

[IGotWorms 4,060]

 

http://www.ijreview.com/2015/03/276715-difference-liberals-conservatives-demonstrated-one-simple-powerful-story/

 

How many times have you given a job to a homeless person off the street, jerry? Would you geberally classify such a person as a desirable candidate?

[IGotWorms 4,060]

 

Well, that's the point. Liberals like the idea of taking other people's money (but rarely their own) to give to an incredibly inefficient government so that they can wash their hands of the problem yet feel like they actually care. It's a tip, you really don't care. Unless you give generously of your money and/or time to charities, and maybe check that box to give extra on your taxes.

I'm a liberal and I pay a focking shiot-ton of taxes. A higher effective rate than billionaires tend to pay, in fact

[IGotWorms 4,060]

No, seriously, you post like a child.

 

And I noticed you didn't address the substantive things in my post. I'd appreciate if you would do that, as I look to learn from the debate master.

Speaking of posting like a child, your caricature of a liberal is laughably juvenile

[Frank M 181]

How many times have you given a job to a homeless person off the street, jerry? Would you geberally classify such a person as a desirable candidate?

Yes, because the only reason that someone could possibly be homeless is because they dont have a job.

[IGotWorms 4,060]

Yes, because the only reason that someone could possibly be homeless is because they dont have a job.

True, often there is mental illness and other factors at play.

 

But let's pretend Jerry is right and the guy just needs a job - well how many times has Jerry given a homeless guy a job? Or even a focking business card for that matter?

[Baker Boy 1,705]

And the shallow model of liberals formed in the minds of conservatives is that we all want the government to take care of everybody.

 

Here's a "story" for you

 

Of course that is a story and you used it because you couldn't find any real life examples. At best your story would be a very rare example.

[Baker Boy 1,705]

you left out "as long as you vote democrat"

Give a man a welfare check, a free cell phone, cash for his clunker,
food stamps, section 8 housing, free contraceptives, Medicaid,
ninety-nine weeks of unemployment, free meds, and he will vote for
 you the rest of his life --- even after he's dead.


[Frank M 181]

Of course that is a story and you used it because you couldn't find any real life examples. At best your story would be a very rare example.

As would a man walking down the street offering a homeless man a job.

 

That's kinda the point, dummy.

[MDC 7,652]

I typically ignore you simply because you really aren't worth the effort.

 

However, as to Noah please see:

 

omnipotent

 

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adjective

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almighty or infinite in power, as God.

2.

having very great or unlimited authority or power.

 

 

As for how old the Earth is, I already provided a link debunking the lie that Christians believe the Earth is literally only 6000 years old.

I posted a link to a PhD Christian scholar who addressed every argument in your blog post and concludes that by any literal interpretation of the Bible the world is 6,000 years old.

 

Although if you believe God is omnipotent I guess it's possible he created a world with fossils that are millions of years old already for some bizarre reason.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Yes, hyperbole on my part, but when it comes to republicans and the policies they support, I don't think they exactly jive with the teachings of Jesus, their supposed savior.

 

Or...people (some people at least), know how to I the two.

I know much of the Christian right cannot do so.

But for me...

I think that Christians, as brothers and sisters in Christ, should take care of the sick and poor. However, that does not mean we should force others to do so.

I separate my faith from my politics...faith and religion should not rule how decisions get made in DC or at the State level.

Its my problem with many Christians on the right who do pick and chose what rules of their faith they allow to seep in to politics. So to me...just keep them out of politics.

[Sho Nuff 720]

That perfectly describes the liberal you have created in your mind. Once again, republican policies are not very Jesus like, and that was my point, not juxtaposing them vs liberal policies. Jesus was most definetly not for the death penalty, and I doubt he would support cutting food stamps.

 

I believe they are separate issues and don't think Jesus would be for large government programs and higher taxes to support such things...but would be for the people to support programs and charity and the poor and sick on their own rather than being forced to do so.

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

 

I believe they are separate issues and don't think Jesus would be for large government programs and higher taxes to support such things...but would be for the people to support programs and charity and the poor and sick on their own rather than being forced to do so.

It goes back to my point, that if you claim Jesus as your savior, as many republicans do, then you defy his words by supporting positions that are in direct opposition to what he said. I'm not arguing their positions here, I'm arguing that they claim to be desciples of Christ yet don't adhere to his wishes for mankind. If you're going to leave Jesus and religion out if it, that to me is the best policy. But when you say things like the United States is a Christian country, then your faith and adherence to his teachings are on the table.

[Sho Nuff 720]

It goes back to my point, that if you claim Jesus as your savior, as many republicans do, then you defy his words by supporting positions that are in direct opposition to what he said. I'm not arguing their positions here, I'm arguing that they claim to be desciples of Christ yet don't adhere to his wishes for mankind. If you're going to leave Jesus and religion out if it, that to me is the best policy. But when you say things like the United States is a Christian country, then your faith and adherence to his teachings are on the table.

I would agree in respect to the death penalty. ..while Jesus lived under Jewish law including the death penalty, he preached forgiveness and that man should not take lives. I believe the death penalty has become more about vengeance than anything any more and thus oppose it anyway.

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

Bring your bible to church and the constitution to the voting booth.

[Eaglesin14 12]

I posted a link to a PhD Christian scholar who addressed every argument in your blog post and concludes that by any literal interpretation of the Bible the world is 6,000 years old.

 

Although if you believe God is omnipotent I guess it's possible he created a world with fossils that are millions of years old already for some bizarre reason.

Which chapter and verse of the Bible states that the earth is 6000 years old?

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

Which chapter and verse of the Bible states that the earth is 6000 years old?

Why would it say that? The earth wasn't 6000 years old when it was written. Do you know how long after Christ died the Bible was written? You dont think it was written before that, do you? Do you? Do you just post the first thing that comes to your head?

[jerryskids 6,962]

Speaking of posting like a child, your caricature of a liberal is laughably juvenile

 

More childish than "Republicans hate the sick and the poor?" Because that is what I responded to.

[MDC 7,652]

Which chapter and verse of the Bible states that the earth is 6000 years old?

I direct you back to my link. It's actually a very good read.

[IGotWorms 4,060]

 

More childish than "Republicans hate the sick and the poor?" Because that is what I responded to.

As equally childish. Congrats.

 

BTW how many homeless people have you hired off the street?

[Eaglesin14 12]

I direct you back to my link. It's actually a very good read.

So you can't cite the chapter and verse?

[jerryskids 6,962]

As equally childish. Congrats.

 

BTW how many homeless people have you hired off the street?

 

As many as you have directed to the welfare office. It is an allegory that conservatives believe in job opportunities, motivation to get said jobs, and charity. Liberals believe in the government. HTH.

[MDC 7,652]

So you can't cite the chapter and verse?

The link I provided explains that the Bible mentions the reign of kings, and based on archaeological evidence we can date those times back to around 6,000 years. The article also addresses the claim that a "day" in the Bible may refer to a longer period of time by pointing out that every other instance if a day in the Bible refers to a day / night cycle.

 

The Bible is either partly allegory or total nonsense, take your pick. I personally think it's allegory and is guess just about every same Christian would agree.

[MDC 7,652]

 

As many as you have directed to the welfare office. It is an allegory that conservatives believe in job opportunities, motivation to get said jobs, and charity. Liberals believe in the government. HTH.

Did you read that homespun wisdom in a chain email your cousin posted on Facebook?

[Eaglesin14 12]

The link I provided explains that the Bible mentions the reign of kings, and based on archaeological evidence we can date those times back to around 6,000 years. The article also addresses the claim that a "day" in the Bible may refer to a longer period of time by pointing out that every other instance if a day in the Bible refers to a day / night cycle.

 

The Bible is either partly allegory or total nonsense, take your pick. I personally think it's allegory and is guess just about every same Christian would agree.

Ok. I guess we can conclude the bible does not say the earth is 6000 years old.

 

Weird how all the bored libnuts claim it does.

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

Yeah, the gun nuts and rednecks who make up a large chunk of the Republican Party are just strolling down the street handing out business cards. While they collect disability.

[MDC 7,652]

Ok. I guess we can conclude the bible does not say the earth is 6000 years old.

 

Weird how all the bored libnuts claim it does.

Weird how the PhD president of the Institute for Christian Research agrees.

[IGotWorms 4,060]

 

As many as you have directed to the welfare office. It is an allegory that conservatives believe in job opportunities, motivation to get said jobs, and charity. Liberals believe in the government. HTH.

That's what I thought jerry

 

It's an interesting point though because you're saying "just give 'em a job" but as I've pointed out you don't actually give those people a job. Many of them aren't employable and those that are have a very difficult time overcoming the stigma of homelessness. Then there's the practical issues of transportation, good hygiene, etc. And of course many don't have the necessary skills or education. So basically your pithy solution is not backed up by your actions nor does it appear to have much hope for success

[Eaglesin14 12]

Weird how the PhD president of the Institute for Christian Research agrees.

First, you don't even know the name of the source you are using.

 

Second, this is the first paragraph of your link:

 

The Institute for Creation Research has always taught, as an integral part of its ministry, the concept of the young earth. We have never put an absolute date on the age of the earth. We feel that the Bible doesn't provide all the information necessary for certainty, as shown by the fact that almost every Bible scholar who has ever tried to discern the exact date has come to slightly different conclusions. Maybe all the information is there but we just don't understand it fully yet.

[MDC 7,652]

Every honest interpretation of the Bible concludes the earth is only a few thousand years old, most likely about 6,000 - paragraph 2.

 

It's okay Bubba. You're just some day divorcee from the dumbest state in the union. You actually believe that all the silly stuff in the Bible happened.

 

That makes you no dumber than most people from Texass.

[Flyfreak 84]

Every honest interpretation of the Bible concludes the earth is only a few thousand years old, most likely about 6,000 - paragraph 2.

 

It's okay Bubba. You're just some day divorcee from the dumbest state in the union. You actually believe that all the silly stuff in the Bible happened.

 

That makes you no dumber than most people from Texass.

most of those interpretations aren't accurate, in fact many new interpretations don't even address the material aspect of creation, but rather the functions that bring order to creation

 

ancient cosmology wasn't interested in the same things as we find in modern science, both are totally unrelated