Now that the transcripts have been released for deflategate.....

[NewbieJr 541]

I can see where you're coming from. And your right. Which is why the team was fined. The fact was they had balls under inflated, had a guy called the deflator, and he went into the bathroom with the balls on camera. Which was why the team was punished. Evidence Brady had been involved however is little

So at least you admitted there was ball tampering. And that a penalty was justified. Your hangup is on how they can pin that on Brady. Well, like Jim Kelly said, if it was him that was being accused of heating, he would be doing everything in his power to prove he didn't. Instead of crawling in a hole and whining for 8 months and being uncooperative. Even Belichick has distanced himself from this. If my star QB was under fire, I'd be finding out where The Deflator got his orders from. But Belichick is a smart man. He knows there's only two guys in the organization with the power o order that. Him and Brady. So while Brady's teammates are out busting their ass in camp today, pretty boy liars club is sitting in a court room. Still lying to try to save his reputation.

[Djgb13 2,339]

So at least you admitted there was ball tampering. And that a penalty was justified. Your hangup is on how they can pin that on Brady. Well, like Jim Kelly said, if it was him that was being accused of heating, he would be doing everything in his power to prove he didn't. Instead of crawling in a hole and whining for 8 months and being uncooperative. Even Belichick has distanced himself from this. If my star QB was under fire, I'd be finding out where The Deflator got his orders from. But Belichick is a smart man. He knows there's only two guys in the organization with the power o order that. Him and Brady. So while Brady's teammates are out busting their ass in camp today, pretty boy liars club is sitting in a court room. Still lying to try to save his reputation.

Honestly I don't know if there was tampering or not. They have enough suspicion to think there was. However, why would 3 of the 4 colts balls also be under the minimum psi? When they were using the ideal gas law to explain it about the footballs it showed that the balls could have gone down themselves. Which could in fact be why both teams footballs were under the limit

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

why all the lies from NFL and Wells?

Wh all the lies from Brady?

 

Psst...we did this days ago already. Why revisit?

[edjr 6,580]

Wh all the lies from Brady?

 

Psst...we did this days ago already. Why revisit?

 

Brady wasn't investigating anyone.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

Brady wasn't investigating anyone.

Yet he lied..because he is innocent right?

[TD Ryan2 316]

Brady didn't lie... he was simply uncooperative with the lawyers intent on framing him.

and once again, Brady wins... BRADY WINS!!!!!

[tanatastic 2,062]

So if the suspension stands the Anti brady side wins and if its lowered or rescinded the pro brady side wins? Or nomatter what happens this dumb fight will rage on for all eternity?

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

Somebody should investigate why Belicheck blitzed Eli on the game winner to Plaxico. Picking up the Blitz is about the best thing Eli does. And no help on Plaxico? I could have told you the night before he would get that play.

[TD Ryan2 316]

calling this a "fight' is like calling the Pats vs Jets a rivalry... it's not... it's a lop-sided victory where the Patriots celebrate and the losing teams cry and make up conspiracies and rules infractions to explain their losing.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Brady didn't lie... he was simply uncooperative with the lawyers intent on framing him.

and once again, Brady wins... BRADY WINS!!!!!

Incorrect

[Sho Nuff 720]

calling this a "fight' is like calling the Pats vs Jets a rivalry... it's not... it's a lop-sided victory where the Patriots celebrate and the losing teams cry and make up conspiracies and rules infractions to explain their losing.

I don't recall the last time the patriots beat the packers in a meaningful game.

 

You are trying too hard.

[Djgb13 2,339]

What I don't understand is why Goodell is even allowed to initially punish and then be the one to hear the appeal. That has got to be the stupidest thing I've ever seen. The fact that he decided to be the one to hear the appeal should have told you he wasn't changing his mind and was gonna be dam sure Brady's appeal didn't go through

[cbfalcon 825]

So if the suspension stands the Anti brady side wins and if its lowered or rescinded the pro brady side wins? Or nomatter what happens this dumb fight will rage on for all eternity?

 

That's a good question.

 

One thing I'm unsure of is what this judge actually has the right to decide. Based on what I've heard, the judge could decide Brady is totally innocent and that the league committed criminal behavior in an effort to tarnish a star's reputation, yet still say the league had the right to do whatever it wants based on the CBA. Newbie would consider that more proof Brady cheated.

[edjr 6,580]

What I don't understand is why Goodell is even allowed to initially punish and then be the one to hear the appeal. That has got to be the stupidest thing I've ever seen. The fact that he decided to be the one to hear the appeal should have told you he wasn't changing his mind and was gonna be dam sure Brady's appeal didn't go through

 

The NFLPA collectively bargained it

[Sho Nuff 720]

What I don't understand is why Goodell is even allowed to initially punish and then be the one to hear the appeal. That has got to be the stupidest thing I've ever seen. The fact that he decided to be the one to hear the appeal should have told you he wasn't changing his mind and was gonna be dam sure Brady's appeal didn't go through

Because the CBA allows it.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

The NFLPA collectively bargained it

And now wants a judge to change what they couldn't get done at the bargaining table.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

That's a good question.

 

One thing I'm unsure of is what this judge actually has the right to decide. Based on what I've heard, the judge could decide Brady is totally innocent and that the league committed criminal behavior in an effort to tarnish a star's reputation, yet still say the league had the right to do whatever it wants based on the CBA. Newbie would consider that more proof Brady cheated.

brady did cheat. And the Patriots cheated. That's why Kraft accepted the penalty without am appeal. That's why the Pats fired the two ball boys.

[TD Ryan2 316]

I'm really looking forward to the drive home tonight and sports radio... they win the SuperBowl in the winter... they win the legal battle in the summer... and the Newbies of the world are losing their minds over it.

 

 

I don't recall the last time the patriots beat the packers in a meaningful game.

you've gotta' get to the SuperBowl to face the AFC's best - NE is there every other year, where are the Packers all this time?

[edjr 6,580]

I'm really looking forward to the drive home tonight and sports radio... they win the SuperBowl in the winter... they win the legal battle in the summer... and the Newbies of the world are losing their minds over it.

 

 

you've gotta' get to the SuperBowl to face the AFC's best - NE is there every other year, where are the Packers all this time?

 

 

[cbfalcon 825]

brady did cheat. And the Patriots cheated. That's why Kraft accepted the penalty without am appeal. That's why the Pats fired the two ball boys.

 

Just out of curiosity, what will you say if the judge sides with the NFLPA on this?

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

What I don't understand is why Goodell is even allowed to initially punish and then be the one to hear the appeal. That has got to be the stupidest thing I've ever seen. The fact that he decided to be the one to hear the appeal should have told you at he wasn't changing his mind and was gonna be dam sure Brady's appeal didn't go through

No offense, but that's been explained ad nauseum, and actually explained to you explicitly, by numerous individuals. What kind of MD are you? My niece lacks direction, and she's not that bright either. Help me out so I can tell her that there's a kind of doctor she could probably become.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

Just out of curiosity, what will you say if the judge sides with the NFLPA on this?

to what extent?

[Sho Nuff 720]

I'm really looking forward to the drive home tonight and sports radio... they win the SuperBowl in the winter... they win the legal battle in the summer... and the Newbies of the world are losing their minds over it.

 

 

you've gotta' get to the SuperBowl to face the AFC's best - NE is there every other year, where are the Packers all this time?

 

You mean like when they beat NE in the Super Bowl? (and beat them this past year in GB too).

Hell...Matt Flynn about had you all beat in Foxboro.

 

Oh wait...I forgot...you all think 1 SB in 10 years makes you some sort of dynasty.

haha

[cbfalcon 825]

to what extent?

 

For the sake of argument, lets just say the judge overturns the suspension. What will your reaction/thoughts be?

[edjr 6,580]

 

For the sake of argument, lets just say the judge overturns the suspension. What will your reaction/thoughts be?

 

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

 

For the sake of argument, lets just say the judge overturns the suspension. What will your reaction/thoughts be?

Mine would be that the NFL botched the investigation and that the Patriots are admitted cheaters. You don't think OJ is innocent, do you?

[NewbieJr 541]

 

For the sake of argument, lets just say the judge overturns the suspension. What will your reaction/thoughts be?

if the team penalties stick and brady's suspension is lifted, I'll admit that they just didn't have enough to know for sure that Brady ordered it.

[cbfalcon 825]

Mine would be that the NFL botched the investigation and that the Patriots are admitted cheaters. You don't think OJ is innocent, do you?

 

No, I think OJ is guilty. In fact, I think the system getting it wrong is a not uncommon occurrence. But your and I's stance here hurts Newbie's argument that the league taking away draft picks is strong evidence of Brady's guilt.

 

But let me add this stat I just read. In this court since 2013, only 2 of 68 arbitration decisions were not confirmed. Meaning the NFL wins this 97% of the time in this court. So IF the judge overturns anything or doesn't confirm the NFL's decision, it will be because he is pretty damn sure.

 

 

if the team penalties stick and brady's suspension is lifted, I'll admit that they just didn't have enough to know for sure that Brady ordered it.

 

Well, the team penalties aren't on trial here. So I guess no matter what you'll have some guns to stick to.....That being said, I'm ok with that. In truth, that's where I've been all along in fact. Maybe he did it, but there isn't enough here to even come close to knowing that. Good to know you will come to my side if it goes hat way.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

No, I think OJ is guilty. In fact, I think the system getting it wrong is a not uncommon occurrence. But your and I's stance here hurts Newbie's argument that the league taking away draft picks is strong evidence of Brady's guilt.

 

But let me add this stat I just read. In this court since 2013, only 2 of 68 arbitration decisions were not confirmed. Meaning the NFL wins this 97% of the time in this court. So IF the judge overturns anything or doesn't confirm the NFL's decision, it will be because he is pretty damn sure.

 

 

 

Well, the team penalties aren't on trial here. So I guess no matter what you'll have some guns to stick to.....That being said, I'm ok with that. In truth, that's where I've been all along in fact. Maybe he did it, but there isn't enough here to even come close to knowing that. Good to know you will come to my side if it goes hat way.

we shall see

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

 

No, I think OJ is guilty. In fact, I think the system getting it wrong is a not uncommon occurrence. But your and I's stance here hurts Newbie's argument that the league taking away draft picks is strong evidence of Brady's guilt.

 

But let me add this stat I just read. In this court since 2013, only 2 of 68 arbitration decisions were not confirmed. Meaning the NFL wins this 97% of the time in this court. So IF the judge overturns anything or doesn't confirm the NFL's decision, it will be because he is pretty damn sure.

 

 

 

Well, the team penalties aren't on trial here. So I guess no matter what you'll have some guns to stick to.....That being said, I'm ok with that. In truth, that's where I've been all along in fact. Maybe he did it, but there isn't enough here to even come close to knowing that. Good to know you will come to my side if it goes hat way.

I said the Patriots are admitted cheaters. That's still the case, right?

[cbfalcon 825]

I said the Patriots are admitted cheaters. That's still the case, right?

 

I'm not a Patriots fan, so you'd have to tell me what admission of being cheaters you are referring to. Is this a Spygate comment, related to this case, or something else?

 

That said, I can think with enough nuance to know that accepting a penalty isn't the same as an admission of guilt. But maybe they have admitted guilt. Unsure.

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

 

I'm not a Patriots fan, so you'd have to tell me what admission of being cheaters you are referring to. Is this a Spygate comment, related to this case, or something else?

 

That said, I can think with enough nuance to know that accepting a penalty isn't the same as an admission of guilt. But maybe they have admitted guilt. Unsure.

Either way. They admitted the spygate cheating. And yes, giving up a first round pick is pretty significant for someone who claims innocence. If it was a slap on the wrist that would be one thing, but a First rounder, a fourth rounder and a million? You don't accept that without knowing you're culpable. On a side note, I wonder how the Patriots felt about Goodell when he destroyed the Spygate videos?

[TD Ryan2 316]

... but.... but.... but.... spygate... SPYGATE... YEAH! SPYSGGATATES...

 

buncha' crybaby losers.

[cbfalcon 825]

Either way. They admitted the spygate cheating. And yes, giving up a first round pick is pretty significant for someone who claims innocence. If it was a slap on the wrist that would be one thing, but a First rounder, a fourth rounder and a million? You don't accept that without knowing you're culpable. On a side note, I wonder how the Patriots felt about Goodell when he destroyed the Spygate videos?

I don't know enough about Spygate to know what they "admitted to", so I'll defer to your knowledge on tnat.

 

But in this case, accepting the loss of a 1st and 4th rounder doesn't equal "admitting guilt" to me. Maybe the league was saying that they'd take away three 1st rounders and three 2nd rounders if the Patriots fought it and were found guilty. And if the Judge is also the Prosecutor, accepting any deal you can get may be the prudent move, guilty or not.

[NewbieJr 541]

... but.... but.... but.... spygate... SPYGATE... YEAH! SPYSGGATATES...

 

buncha' crybaby losers.

LOL It's easy to be dismissive of cheating when it's your team that always seems to be doing it.

 

Perhaps if you pretend it doesn't keep happening, someone other than Pats fans will give two sh1ts about your faux championships. ****

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

 

I don't know enough about Spygate to know what they "admitted to", so I'll defer to your knowledge on tnat.

 

But in this case, accepting the loss of a 1st and 4th rounder doesn't equal "admitting guilt" to me. Maybe the league was saying that they'd take away three 1st rounders and three 2nd rounders if the Patriots fought it and were found guilty. And if the Judge is also the Prosecutor, accepting any deal you can get may be the prudent move, guilty or not.[/quote

 

Then Kraft thinks winning football games is more important than his teams integrity. An innocent man fears nothing.

[NewbieJr 541]

I don't know enough about Spygate to know what they "admitted to", so I'll defer to your knowledge on tnat.

 

But in this case, accepting the loss of a 1st and 4th rounder doesn't equal "admitting guilt" to me. Maybe the league was saying that they'd take away three 1st rounders and three 2nd rounders if the Patriots fought it and were found guilty. And if the Judge is also the Prosecutor, accepting any deal you can get may be the prudent move, guilty or not.

Why would Kraft so easily accept losing two picks and a million bucks if he thought his team was innocent? LOLOL And why would they fire the two ball boys.

 

You should really just quit now. You still have a chance that the league botched the investigation so badly that they let Brady off. Venturing into the team being innocent is going to really maker you look retarded.

[cbfalcon 825]

Then Kraft thinks winning football games is more important than his teams integrity. An innocent man fears nothing.

Yep. If i were innocent, I would fight, appeal, sue if need be, and so on.

[cbfalcon 825]

Why would Kraft so easily accept losing two picks and a million bucks if he thought his team was innocent? LOLOL And why would they fire the two ball boys.

 

You should really just quit now. You still have a chance that the league botched the investigation so badly that they let Brady off. Venturing into the team being innocent is going to really maker you look retarded.

So you are so unintelligent that you can't differentiate between me saying the team is innocent and me saying the team didn't admit guilt? (I don't expect you to answer coherantly, as I suspect the sentence structure was a bit too complex for you to comprehend.)

 

You are showing such a lack of intellect here that it's starting to reframe even your past posts.

[NewbieJr 541]

So you are so unintelligent that you can't differentiate between me saying the team is innocent and me saying the team didn't admit guilt? (I don't expect you to answer coherantly, as I suspect the sentence structure was a bit too complex for you to comprehend.)

 

You are showing such a lack of intellect here that it's starting to reframe even your past posts.

keep talking in circles pussie. It covers up the fact that ice owned your sorry ass all week.