Now that the transcripts have been released for deflategate.....

[TD Ryan2 316]

 

If Brady had said something like that...rather than claiming he knew nothing,

 

how do you know if he knew anything?

 

it's worse if he throws equipment guys to the wolves and he doesn't really even know if or what they did.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

how do you know if he knew anything?

 

it's worse if he throws equipment guys to the wolves and he doesn't really even know if or what they did.

Please stop. He knows they did because he told them too. We're coming up with a hypothetical speech he could have made to make it look a little less worse than it is. The ball boys were fired. They were obviously already thrown under the bus.

[edjr 6,580]

Super Troll really putting in overtime on this one.

 

 

 

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Now that the transcripts have been released for deflategate.....

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NewbieJr 125

 

 

[NewbieJr 541]

 

Super Troll really putting in overtime on this one.

 

 

 

LOL That's all you got? Sad day for ole Edjr

[parrot 789]

 

If Brady had said something like that...rather than claiming he knew nothing, refusing to give them information (until he gave up some emails and a spreadsheet)...there is zero chance they suspend him 4 games like they did.

 

You make it out that the NFL as a whole hated the Pats and Brady and were just on some witch hunt to destroy them.

Its laughable.

 

Yeah, why, oh why, would anyone in the crazy competitive NFL ever want to see the winningest team of the last 15 years damaged? Why that might slow their roll and make other teams relatively more competitive. What a laughable, tin-foil hat suggestion!

 

The NFL didn't need to be anything "as a whole"; once the incorrect Mort tweet was in the wind, a lot of the course was set; it's the old "a lie makes it halfway around the world before the truth gets its boots on".

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

 

no newbie... the fondness only comes around after a historical look back - the Cowboys, Steelers, and (to some degree) 49ers were hated.

 

Gretzky was hated.

Russel and Chamberlain were hated

LeBron is hated

Bird was hated

The Yankees were hated

The Canadiens were hated

Marino was hated

 

and for all of them, not so much anymore...

No one hates Jeter.

[edjr 6,580]

No one hates Jeter.

 

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

how do you know if he knew anything?

 

it's worse if he throws equipment guys to the wolves and he doesn't really even know if or what they did.

Because I'm not a blind homer who assumes Brady is innocent and hasn't been lying.

 

He knew what went on...and there are ways to get around even throwing them under the bus.

 

There were ways to avoid this circus...Brady and the Pats took the hard way

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

Yeah, why, oh why, would anyone in the crazy competitive NFL ever want to see the winningest team of the last 15 years damaged? Why that might slow their roll and make other teams relatively more competitive. What a laughable, tin-foil hat suggestion!

 

The NFL didn't need to be anything "as a whole"; once the incorrect Mort tweet was in the wind, a lot of the course was set; it's the old "a lie makes it halfway around the world before the truth gets its boots on".

The shield had nothing to gain by taking Brady out.

 

Nothing.

[NewbieJr 541]

No one hates Jeter.

The Yankees were hated because of their huge payroll and all their success over the years. Lebron was hated for a year or two after the Decision. Bird was revered. That's more Boston paranoia.

 

The Patriots are the most hated sports team of the century. It's all about Belichick's smugness and all of their cheating. Not the winning.

 

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[edjr 6,580]

. It's all about Belichick's smugness and all of their cheating. Not the winning.

 

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[NewbieJr 541]

 

Steelers, Niners, Cowboys.

 

Next

[edjr 6,580]

Steelers, Niners, Cowboys.

 

Next

 

 

NO ONE Hated those teams

 

 

Nope, no one.

[tanatastic 2,062]

The Patriots are the most hated sports team of the century. It's all about Belichick's smugness and all of their cheating. Not the winning.

Its also telling that the actual players and coaches hate the patriots too. Usually when a team is hated by the rival fans for winning they have tons of respect from the rest of the league. Even past opponents of the old niner, cowboy, steeler teams respect them. But ask any opponent of the pats what they think of them. "cheaters, liars, they stole our plays, deflated our balls, tuck rule BS, etc etc.".

[NewbieJr 541]

 

 

NO ONE Hated those teams

 

 

Nope, no one.

Link to the league going after them? Ahhhh, now you're seeing the difference.

[NewbieJr 541]

Its also telling that the actual players and coaches hate the patriots too. Usually when a team is hated by the rival fans for winning they have tons of respect from the rest of the league. Even past opponents of the old niner, cowboy, steeler teams respect them. But ask any opponent of the pats what they think of them. "cheaters, liars, they stole our plays, deflated our balls, tuck rule BS, etc etc.".

It's not just a rival team thing with New England, though. Of course Eagles, Redskins, and Giants fans hated the 90's Cowboy dynasty.

[cbfalcon 825]

Its also telling that the actual players and coaches hate the patriots too. Usually when a team is hated by the rival fans for winning they have tons of respect from the rest of the league. Even past opponents of the old niner, cowboy, steeler teams respect them. But ask any opponent of the pats what they think of them. "cheaters, liars, they stole our plays, deflated our balls, tuck rule BS, etc etc.".

 

And yet....

 

 

Of the 100 players surveyed, 72 percent thought that the Patriots did, indeed, deflate game footballs. But only a scant 16 percent said the act made them upset. Further a full 60 percent said they wouldn’t call the Patriots cheaters over the incident.

Additionally, 80 percent of the players judged Brady’s four-game suspension too harsh. And 88 percent said that the NFL’s commissioner shouldn’t be the sole arbiter of discipline for the league.

One clue as to why players are not that upset over the deflated balls is in the fact that 52 percent felt that the deflated balls couldn’t have changed the outcome of a game.

Another little disconnect came in questions about cheating. The players surveyed said that 30 percent of players try to cheat during games. But on the other hand, 71 percent said that no one on their own team ever cheats

 

[edjr 6,580]

Link to the league going after them? Ahhhh, now you're seeing the difference.

 

Link to me saying they did?

[NewbieJr 541]

 

Link to me saying they did?

Why did you even jump in if you didn't know what the conversation was about?

 

TD Ryan contends that the league is going after them and all the fans hate them because of their success. Why didn't this stuff happen to those other teams? One word: Cheating Ok, two words: Smugness

[parrot 789]

The shield had nothing to gain by taking Brady out.

 

Nothing.

 

"The Shield" is a collection of individual organizations who generally put their own interests first and who have a LOT to gain by "taking Brady out". And The Shield is led by an incompetent boob who has misstepped in almost every way possible where disciplinary issues are concerned. That's why this wasn't nipped in the bud like it should have been.

 

We've been talking about hypothetical from Brady; let's talk about the hypothetical that should have happened, the one where Goodell says,

 

"Given the vagaries of the ideal gas law, a principle we were unaware of until recently despite it being taught in every Jr. high physics class in the country, and the fact that we have NEVER paid ANY attention to this issue previously, and therefore have no kind of comparative data or even a minimally reliable data collection system, there is really nothing conclusive here on which to base any kind of finding or punishment. We will be more attentive to the issue going forward. Have a great day."

 

But, of course, this would have required leadership from Goodell, and maybe enduring even more criticism. Instead he escalated it into the ridiculous Wells Report and abdicated his enforcement powers to Vincent. Such a farce.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

"The Shield" is a collection of individual organizations who generally put their own interests first and who have a LOT to gain by "taking Brady out".

Go on

[tanatastic 2,062]

 

"The Shield" is a collection of individual organizations who generally put their own interests first and who have a LOT to gain by "taking Brady out".

Alot to gain by taking out their best player, best looking player, on one of the most popular teams? Got to be the silliest thing iv heard in this thread by a mile. This isnt an episode of law and order.

 

Edit: Ok you mean the shield as in the collective of owners? In that case yes, alot of them want to see the pats afll and would love Brady gone. I feel ya.

[parrot 789]

Go on

 

A much harder row to hoe for the Pats, the team that has played in 6 Super Bowls in the last 15 years, and won 4. There are 31 teams that are happy, either secretly, or not, that Brady might be sitting out 4 games. And a ton of fans that feel the same way.

[tanatastic 2,062]

 

Yeah why would other TEAMS ever not want to see Brady on the field? That's quite the silly suggestion. Every team in the NFL, first and foremost, want to win football games and proceed as far as they can in the playoffs, and hopefully win a Super Bowl. EVERYTHING else follows from that. I guarantee you the Seahawks, players, coaches, fans, OWNERS, were happy to see a gimpy Rodgers last year. And their counterparts on the Pats were happy to see the banged up Seattle secondary. If you don't understand that teams want to WIN GAMES, first and foremost, you really shouldn't even bother watching the sport. Maybe you should stick to Law and Order.

Yea I would def do everything in my power as an owner to get tom out of the picture. Hes basically one of the gatekeepers of the AFC. I could imagine them putting pressure on Roger to drop the hammer on any hint of foul play.

[parrot 789]

Yea I would def do everything in my power as an owner to get tom out of the picture. Hes basically one of the gatekeepers of the AFC. I could imagine them putting pressure on Roger to drop the hammer on any hint of foul play.

 

I deleted that post after I saw your edit.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

A much harder row to hoe for the Pats, the team that has played in 6 Super Bowls in the last 15 years, and won 4. There are 31 teams that are happy, either secretly, or not, that Brady might be sitting out 4 games. And a ton of fans that feel the same way.

Damn. Why didn't David Stern think of that and suspend Jordan?? Brilliant!

 

Dude, 4 Super Bowls in 15 years isn't exactly cornering the market. You are seriously dreaming if you think it benefits the league to have one of its marquis players out.

[parrot 789]

Damn. Why didn't David Stern think of that and suspend Jordan?? Brilliant!

 

Dude, 4 Super Bowls in 15 years isn't exactly cornering the market. You are seriously dreaming if you think it benefits the league to have one of its marquis players out.

 

A lot of people think he did, only they called it "playing baseball". And Brady's popularity is NOTHING like Jordan's was. Jordan was the most popular athlete on the planet and there wasn't a runner-up. He transcended team loyalties and was almost universally liked. Brady probably has as many haters as fans, maybe more.

 

Off the top of my head; 13 playoff appearances, 9 conference championships games, and 6 Superbowl appearances. Yeah, no one would be happy to see that team start in a hole. You are seriously dreaming if you think it hurts the league in any meaningful way to have one its marquee players out for 4 games, or that many TEAMS aren't very happy about it. You think any other teams are going to be sad if the Pats start 0-4 because it might hurt the LEAGUE? Get serious.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

"The Shield" is a collection of individual organizations who generally put their own interests first and who have a LOT to gain by "taking Brady out". And The Shield is led by an incompetent boob who has misstepped in almost every way possible where disciplinary issues are concerned. That's why this wasn't nipped in the bud like it should have been.

 

We've been talking about hypothetical from Brady; let's talk about the hypothetical that should have happened, the one where Goodell says,

 

"Given the vagaries of the ideal gas law, a principle we were unaware of until recently despite it being taught in every Jr. high physics class in the country, and the fact that we have NEVER paid ANY attention to this issue previously, and therefore have no kind of comparative data or even a minimally reliable data collection system, there is really nothing conclusive here on which to base any kind of finding or punishment. We will be more attentive to the issue going forward. Have a great day."

 

But, of course, this would have required leadership from Goodell, and maybe enduring even more criticism. Instead he escalated it into the ridiculous Wells Report and abdicated his enforcement powers to Vincent. Such a farce.

 

By "the shield" Im talking about Goodell and the NFL front office.

The ones who pursued this and pushed this.

 

They have/had zero to gain by bringing Brady down.

 

It wasn't nipped in the bud because the Patriots and Brady's actions.

 

That some of you still think the ideal gas law is why the balls were deflated is telling...you bought into the BS the Patriots are selling. Their little hype machine is working well on the weak minded.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

A much harder row to hoe for the Pats, the team that has played in 6 Super Bowls in the last 15 years, and won 4. There are 31 teams that are happy, either secretly, or not, that Brady might be sitting out 4 games. And a ton of fans that feel the same way.

4 of 15 sure does sound better than 1 in the last 10.

You all act like NE has been winning Super Bowls left and right in recent years.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

A lot of people think he did, only they called it "playing baseball". And Brady's popularity is NOTHING like Jordan's was. Jordan was the most popular athlete on the planet and there wasn't a runner-up. He transcended team loyalties and was almost universally liked. Brady probably has as many haters as fans, maybe more.

 

Off the top of my head; 13 playoff appearances, 9 conference championships games, and 6 Superbowl appearances. Yeah, no one would be happy to see that team start in a hole. You are seriously dreaming if you think it hurts the league in any meaningful way to have one its marquee players out for 4 games, or that many TEAMS aren't very happy about it. You think any other teams are going to be sad if the Pats start 0-4 because it might hurt the LEAGUE? Get serious.

Geezus, you pathetic Pats fans just keep getting more sad. Listen to yourself. Conspiracies to break up the Pats!! lol Who won their first championship in ten years because Carroll gave them the game. Take a step back and read the crap you're posting. Oh, and turn off WEEI. The retardation is contagious.

[NewbieJr 541]

4 of 15 sure does sound better than 1 in the last 10.

You all act like NE has been winning Super Bowls left and right in recent years.

And Pete Carroll was the MVP of the one they did win in the last decade.

[Kanil 520]

 

 

NO ONE Hated those teams

 

 

Nope, no one.

I didn't hate any of those teams. Of course, I wasn't alive for the Steelers and was in elementary or middle school when the SF/Dallas teams were powerhouses. I was the one rocking Rice and Sanders jerseys during their hay days.

[parrot 789]

4 of 15 sure does sound better than 1 in the last 10.

You all act like NE has been winning Super Bowls left and right in recent years.

 

Stop being obtuse. The Patriots are one of less than a handful of teams that are a virtual lock to contend deep into the playoffs every year. Not the only one, but one of a few. Are you really going to pretend that other teams aren't please when those team have extra obstacles placed in their way?

[Kanil 520]

 

Stop being obtuse. The Patriots are one of less than a handful of teams that are a virtual lock to contend deep into the playoffs every year. Not the only one, but one of a few. Are you really going to pretend that other teams aren't please when those team have extra obstacles placed in their way?

You don't see this hate for teams like the Packers, Broncos, Seahawks, etc..

[parrot 789]

Geezus, you pathetic Pats fans just keep getting more sad. Listen to yourself. Conspiracies to break up the Pats!! lol Who won their first championship in ten years because Carroll gave them the game. Take a step back and read the crap you're posting. Oh, and turn off WEEI. The retardation is contagious.

 

No one said anything about "break(ing) up the Pats" but you. We're just talking about giving them a much tougher putt. Maybe you should try arguing with actual posts instead of the strawmen that spring from your own head and they wouldn't seem so retarded.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

Stop being obtuse. The Patriots are one of less than a handful of teams that are a virtual lock to contend deep into the playoffs every year. Not the only one, but one of a few. Are you really going to pretend that other teams aren't please when those team have extra obstacles placed in their way?

So is this a new strategy in major team sports? The league trying to get rid of the biggest name star on teams that do consistently well?

[parrot 789]

So is this a new strategy in major team sports? The league trying to get rid of the biggest name star on teams that do consistently well?

 

Once again, you are talking out of you ass. No one said anything about it being a "strategy" or anyone trying to "get rid" of anyone. That's just the retarded voice inside your head. It's not some grand conspiracy, it's just a failure of leadership which gave an opening for people to forward their own agendas.

 

Again, the league is a congregation of other teams who have to compete with the Patriots. You guys go on with you bad selfs contending that those other teams aren't happy about Brady's supsension to varying degrees, even though we all know it's not true. Go crazy. Have fun with it.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

Once again, you are talking out of you ass. No one said anything about it being a "strategy" or anyone trying to "get rid" of anyone. That's just the retarded voice inside your head. It's not some grand conspiracy, it's just a failure of leadership which gave an opening for people to forward their own agendas.

 

Again, the league is a congregation of other teams who have to compete with the Patriots. You guys go on with you bad selfs contending that those other teams aren't happy about Brady's supsension to varying degrees, even though we all know it's not true. Go crazy. Have fun with it.

Don't take it personally parrott. I took just as much joy watching Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens fall from grace. It's not just a Patriots-thing. It's a cheaters-thing. I have this weird thing where I like my sports to have an even playing field.

[edjr 6,580]

I have this weird thing where I like my sports to have an even playing field.

 

 

do you watch the NFL? think any of them are still doing steroids? how about MLB .

 

Nope, totally even.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

 

do you watch the NFL? think any of them are still doing steroids? how about MLB .

 

Nope, totally even.

I think everyone in the league does steroids. Except quarterbacks, punters, and kickers. So yes...even