Now that the transcripts have been released for deflategate.....

[tanatastic 2,062]

If the nfl made all this up, why didnt they just throw the ball boy under the bus rather than their premier player who shitz gold? I understand Goodell may have felty heat and wanted to show people he wasnt soft but they could have easily just blamed someone else. I have always felt that it needed to be something damning for them to actually go after brady here.

[edjr 6,580]

.@AdamSchefter just said Berman's questioning was so tough on Nash that he was stammering and struggling to come up with answers

 

 

If today was the 1st quarter in Tom Brady v. NFL, Brady might actually get some rest in the 4th. A good day for him. https://twitter.com/PPVSRB/status/631507295399215105 …

[edjr 6,580]

I see a lot of people deflecting questions from Newbie, changing the subject rather than answering them, and then calling him an idiot. Regardless of whether he is an idiot or not, his questions as to the nickname and the change in story for the nickname are valid but are not being answered by those whom I believe do not like the answer they'd have to give. I'll pose them again:

 

Question 1:

Do those defending the Patriots truly believe the ballboy got the nickname "The Deflator" for any reason other than being the guy that deflates the balls prior to the game?

 

Question 2:

If yes, why do you suppose the story from the Patriots camp has changed from "He lost weight" to "He overfilled balls once and was chided for it"?

 

It has been answered, you chose to close you eyes. Newbie see, newbie do.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

.@AdamSchefter just said Berman's questioning was so tough on Nash that he was stammering and struggling to come up with answers

 

 

If today was the 1st quarter in Tom Brady v. NFL, Brady might actually get some rest in the 4th. A good day for him. https://twitter.com/PPVSRB/status/631507295399215105 …

 

4 games rest?

[NewbieJr 541]

 

It has been answered, you chose to close you eyes. Newbie see, newbie do.

No it hasn't. It gets danced around. Or people say that he deflated balls, but there's no proof the orders came from Brady.

[Kanil 520]

 

It has been answered, you chose to close you eyes. Newbie see, newbie do.

Perhaps I missed it (I've been gone for long stretches of this thread). Can you show me where both those questions were answered?

[edjr 6,580]

 

no.

I believe he is called The Deflator because Brady was angry that the balls in the Jets game were so over-inflated (16 psi) that he told them it better not happen again.

 

and it's kinda' funny... the Judge believes this too!

 

 

this is a dance?

[NewbieJr 541]

 

 

this is a dance?

And then he asked why they came up with the weight loss lie and why they decided to change it.

[edjr 6,580]

I am sure that the judge cares so much about the deflator nickname, he is going to stare them right down and say "explain the nickname, it is all the haters have left to cling onto"

[Djgb13 2,339]

I see a lot of people deflecting questions from Newbie, changing the subject rather than answering them, and then calling him an idiot. Regardless of whether he is an idiot or not, his questions as to the nickname and the change in story for the nickname are valid but are not being answered by those whom I believe do not like the answer they'd have to give. I'll pose them again:

 

Question 1:

Do those defending the Patriots truly believe the ballboy got the nickname "The Deflator" for any reason other than being the guy that deflates the balls prior to the game?

 

Question 2:

If yes, why do you suppose the story from the Patriots camp has changed from "He lost weight" to "He overfilled balls once and was chided for it"?

Question 1: honestly I don't know how he got the nickname. There are guys with nicknames that make you wonder "how the he did he get the nickname Runflat?" Same instance here. Could it be because he deflated balls? Yes. Could it be because he was losing weight or letting the air out of the balls cause they were too high in psi? Yes. The fact is we don't know for sure except what they tell us the reasoning is. Still, the nickname doesn't sit there and prove anything other than that it's a nickname. Does it look bad? Yes. But does it prove anything? No

 

Question 2: Couldn't it be both? The nickname was first referenced in May of last year, before the football season was underway. So it's possible that it wasn't because he was deflating footballs.

[edjr 6,580]

And then he asked why they came up with the weight loss lie and why they decided to change it.

 

 

why did goddell and wells lies about EVERYTHING?

 

you're clinging onto ONE thing.

 

Desperation is pathetic.

[NewbieJr 541]

I am sure that the judge cares so much about the deflator nickname, he is going to stare them right down and say "explain the nickname, it is all the haters have left to cling onto"

And the destroyed phone. And all the frantic phone calls to a guy he never called before in his life..,..

[NewbieJr 541]

 

 

why did goddell and wells lies about EVERYTHING?

 

you're clinging onto ONE thing.

 

Desperation is pathetic.

One thing? Bwahahahaha To me, it's the most obvious thing. Well, besides Brady destroying his phone.

[cbfalcon 825]

I see a lot of people deflecting questions from Newbie, changing the subject rather than answering them, and then calling him an idiot. Regardless of whether he is an idiot or not, his questions as to the nickname and the change in story for the nickname are valid but are not being answered by those whom I believe do not like the answer they'd have to give. I'll pose them again:

 

Question 1:

Do those defending the Patriots truly believe the ballboy got the nickname "The Deflator" for any reason other than being the guy that deflates the balls prior to the game?

 

Question 2:

If yes, why do you suppose the story from the Patriots camp has changed from "He lost weight" to "He overfilled balls once and was chided for it"?

 

1. I think the nickname is likely because the guy deflated footballs.

2. His being chided for having the balls too inflated makes a ton of sense. But that they changed the story is suspicious.

 

I think there is a very good chance the ball boys were ordered by someone to deflate balls......... But I also think it reasonable that the ball boys knew how pisssed Tom Brady was when the balls were overinflated, and they know all it would take for them to be fired is Brady saying the ball boys are doing a shiiity job with the balls, so they made sure the balls were how Brady likes them...all with Brady not having to order them to do anything..................And when the shiit hit the fan, I could see them not wanting to fess up that they focked with the balls and caused this headache, as THAT would get them fired.

 

So it's about 50/50 in my opinion. The ball boys were either told to do it.....Or they did it on their own because they didn't want a repeat of the time Brady was piisssed.

 

But bigger picture......First we have to prove a crime was committed. I lean towards yes on that. But THEN we have to prove who committed it. This is like the police finding a dead body, then looking at who got the most money in the guy's will, and saying "case closed. Sentence him to death" with no evidence at all tying the accused to the crime. But Newbie would argue "Of course it was him! What, you think the guy getting the 2nd or 3rd most money in the will would do it? What are you, a moron?"

[edjr 6,580]

frantic phone calls to a guy he never called before in his life..,..

 

frantic calls? 1st off, you have no clue.

 

2nd off. you're right. If the world was banging down your door, you wouldn't want to talk to the guy that is being accused of doing something .

 

hilarious

[Kanil 520]

Question 1: honestly I don't know how he got the nickname. There are guys with nicknames that make you wonder "how the he did he get the nickname Runflat?" Same instance here. Could it be because he deflated balls? Yes. Could it be because he was losing weight or letting the air out of the balls cause they were too high in psi? Yes. The fact is we don't know for sure except what they tell us the reasoning is. Still, the nickname doesn't sit there and prove anything other than that it's a nickname. Does it look bad? Yes. But does it prove anything? No

 

Question 2: Couldn't it be both? The nickname was first referenced in May of last year, before the football season was underway. So it's possible that it wasn't because he was deflating footballs.

 

This is where we differ. I think it does mean something and in my opinion it legitimizes the accusations.

 

It's clear as day that no one here is changing other's minds on this subject so I'll probably drop it now (although I may end up coming back at some point for entertainment value if I'm bored).

 

 

I do want to point out that I'm amazed at how much people care about this. I've seen more name calling here than most of the old RP threads. It's impressive.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

frantic calls? 1st off, you have no clue.

 

2nd off. you're right. If the world was banging down your door, you wouldn't want to talk to the guy that is being accused of doing something .

 

hilarious

As I said, if I was innocent, I'd probably give him a call and ask if he knew what was going on. But Brady called him SIX TIMES. They talked for 60 minutes. About what??

This isn't a criminal case. It doesn't need a smoking gun. It just takes common sense. The Deflator. All these phone calls to a guy you've never called before. Destroying your phone.

Only a Pats fan would have a hard time piecing all of that together.

[Djgb13 2,339]

 

This is where we differ. I think it does mean something and in my opinion it legitimizes the accusations.

 

It's clear as day that no one here is changing other's minds on this subject so I'll probably drop it now (although I may end up coming back at some point for entertainment value if I'm bored).

 

 

I do want to point out that I'm amazed at how much people care about this. I've seen more name calling here than most of the old RP threads. It's impressive.

It's a matter of opinion like you said. Which is exactly what it is. An opinion. Not a fact. Not evidence. It doesn't clearly say "hey look here's proof right here". If the nickname is brought up for the judge to see he will say the same thing I'm saying. It proves nothing and therefore is not legitimate evidence in this case

[Sho Nuff 720]

Keep sounding desperate newbie. Maybe one day you will turn out to be right. As of right now you couldn't be more wrong. Looking at all the evidence impartially, as the judge in this case is doing, you can clearly see that there's nothing that holds water in this case. Yet for some reason your small, mind can't seem to grasp that. "Well he made phone calls to the guy" yea just like anyone else would when a potentially big accusation comes young out. Where does that prove that he had anything to do with it? Please share with the rest of the class what evidence, and I say again EVIDENCE, you have that you can point to that clearly says "hey patriots cheated" other than your own admission of being biased and wanting the patriots to be guilty? Go ahead I'll wait but I'll be dead before you produce anything that has any standing ground

 

So far we have a few words where he does not believe there was direct evidence.

Then again...I don't believe the judge is supposed to be investigating the case or judging what evidence Goodell had.

 

There is evidence...its circumstantial...and you don't like it. But there is evidence to support that they more likely than not did it...and Brady more likely than not was involved.

None of that has changed.

You can keep just saying "yes, it looks bad"...but to not admit that 10 things that look bad is evidence of something (along with other things)...then there is nothing impartial about you.

[Djgb13 2,339]

As I said, if I was innocent, I'd probably give him a call and ask if he knew what was going on. But Brady called him SIX TIMES. They talked for 60 minutes. About what??

This isn't a criminal case. It doesn't need a smoking gun. It just takes common sense. The Deflator. All these phone calls to a guy you've never called before. Destroying your phone.

Only a Pats fan would have a hard time piecing all of that together.

Except now it is like a criminal case. You wouldn't want to get sentenced for a crime where they don't have any evidence.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Im so confused, whats the real story here? What was the revalation about the leaked transcripts that absolves Brady? Is it just that there is a lack of evidence where they claimed there would be some?

 

Lack of direct evidence.

Nothing really changed and the Pats fans and one Brady fluffer in here continue to hold on to just a few quotes right now.

[NewbieJr 541]

Except now it is like a criminal case. You wouldn't want to get sentenced for a crime where they don't have any evidence.

It's an NFL suspension. It's not a crime, meathead

[edjr 6,580]

As I said, if I was innocent, I'd probably give him a call and ask if he knew what was going on. But Brady called him SIX TIMES. They talked for 60 minutes. About what??

This isn't a criminal case. It doesn't need a smoking gun. It just takes common sense. The Deflator. All these phone calls to a guy you've never called before. Destroying your phone.

Only a Pats fan would have a hard time piecing all of that together.

 

Why didn't either of the ball boys as you call them spill the beans? brady must be paying them right

 

that always works

[Djgb13 2,339]

It's an NFL suspension. It's not a crime, meathead

In the NFL it is a crime. Otherwise why would he be punished?

[Kanil 520]

Except now it is like a criminal case. You wouldn't want to get sentenced for a crime where they don't have any evidence.

In a court of law, you're right, it doesn't matter. In the court of public opinion, it does.

 

I mean, OJ was innocent in a court of law but the majority of people believe he's guilty.

[NewbieJr 541]

In the NFL it is a crime. Otherwise why would he be punished?

The burden of proof is different in a criminal case. Dude, if you don't already know this, you're wasting everyone's time. Go read a book.

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

Do you think the ball that Eli threw to Tyree was deflated? Would explain how it stayed on his helmet.

[Djgb13 2,339]

The burden of proof is different in a criminal case. Dude, if you don't already know this, you're wasting everyone's time. Go read a book.

So you think a player should get punished even if they don't have proof?

[NewbieJr 541]

So you think a player should get punished even if they don't have proof?

If by 'proof', you mean they need a video of the infraction, then of course I think you can be punished without proof. You look at your evidence and make a decision. Cheating would be easy to get away with otherwise.

[Sho Nuff 720]

In the NFL it is a crime. Otherwise why would he be punished?

Of all the dumb things said...this line of thinking by you is the worst.

 

Its more like a civil case...and always has been.

[edjr 6,580]

If by 'proof', you mean they need a video of the infraction, then of course I think you can be punished without proof. You look at your evidence and make a decision. Cheating would be easy to get away with otherwise.

 

so I guess the NFL paid 3 million for Wells to dig up a video?

 

Um, no. Dude didn't find squat, so he made it all up.

 

if Delfator and a broken phone were enough, why the incessant lies?

[Sho Nuff 720]

So you think a player should get punished even if they don't have proof?

You keep acting as if they have nothing at all

You are incorrect.

[edjr 6,580]

You keep acting as if they have nothing at all

You are incorrect.

 

why all the lies from NFL and Wells?

[NewbieJr 541]

 

so I guess the NFL paid 3 million for Wells to dig up a video?

 

Um, no. Dude didn't find squat, so he made it all up.

 

if Delfator and a broken phone were enough, why the incessant lies?

Found a ton. The six phone calls. The Deflator. And the destroyed phone. Guilt, guilt, and guilt. All unexplainable. All enough to come to the conclusion of guilt.

[edjr 6,580]

Found a ton. The six phone calls. The Deflator. And the destroyed phone. Guilt, guilt, and guilt. All unexplainable. All enough to come to the conclusion of guilt.

 

[Djgb13 2,339]

If by 'proof', you mean they need a video of the infraction, then of course I think you can be punished without proof. You look at your evidence and make a decision. Cheating would be easy to get away with otherwise.

I can see where you're coming from. And your right. Which is why the team was fined. The fact was they had balls under inflated, had a guy called the deflator, and he went into the bathroom with the balls on camera. Which was why the team was punished. Evidence Brady had been involved however is little

[NewbieJr 541]

 

Hold on...I'll check to see if it was enough........

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yup. Two draft picks, hefty fine, and four games for the cheating QB. Next

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

How about the pass to Manningham? Was that one deflated? Man, that was a perfect pinpoint throw. I often wonder what a Pats fan was thinking after that. Oh wait, I know- "not again" !

[Kanil 520]

On a side note, the sketch artist for this courtroom is AMAZING.

[Kanil 520]

Also, the only winner in this thread is Magnificent Bastard.