Now that the transcripts have been released for deflategate.....

[NewbieJr 541]

 

Wait.....So the fact that they were punished for a crime is your proof that they in fact committed the crime?

 

I now honestly think you are just trolling and doing a bit. I'll admit it, you got me. I was sucked in, especially last week. Good one Newbie. LOL.

I've been owning you for a week on this. Run along and tell us about how great Brad Davis was.

[Djgb13 2,339]

 

Wait.....So the fact that they were punished for a crime is your proof that they in fact committed the crime?

 

I now honestly think you are just trolling and doing a bit. I'll admit it, you got me. I was sucked in, especially last week. Good one Newbie. LOL.

Face it. Newbie is officially retarded. Our exchange here today has made it clear.

[NewbieJr 541]

Does it matter what I believe here newbie? No. Does it matter what evidence they have? Yes. Do they have any? No. Is that a nickname that was first refered to in May of last year before football season even started? Yes. Keep trying newbie. You'll get it eventually

As predicted, you have no explanation for The Deflator. So we just won't talk about that. Hahahahaha It must really suck to defend a guy that you know is guilty.

[NewbieJr 541]

Face it. Newbie is officially retarded. Our exchange here today has made it clear.

Hold on, I'll check again. Be right back......

 

 

 

 

Yup, Patriots still being penalized. So one of us is retarded. You just have the wrong one.

[Djgb13 2,339]

As predicted, you have no explanation for The Deflator. So we just won't talk about that. Hahahahaha It must really suck to defend a guy that you know is guilty.

Dance puppet dance! You clearly can't seem to let a nickname that proves nothing go please tell me where this nickname proves Brady ordered balls to be deflated. I'll wait newbie

[Djgb13 2,339]

Hold on, I'll check again. Be right back......

 

 

 

 

Yup, Patriots still being penalized. So one of us is retarded. You just have the wrong one.

At the end of this lets see which one of us will be right. Judging by what the judge has said during this hearing I think you, along with Goodell, will prove to be an incompetent fool lol

[tanatastic 2,062]

If there was no evidence, why would they have punished the nfls golden boy in the first place? There had to be a reason.

[Djgb13 2,339]

If there was no evidence, why would they have punished the nfls golden boy in the first place? There had to be a reason.

There is. Goodell wanted to look good so he is trying to punish them without evidence. Which the judge here is questioning and asks where's the evidence. Nfl along with their lawyer and the people who blindly follow them, newbie in this case, are looking more like fools with every exchange

[NewbieJr 541]

Dance puppet dance! You clearly can't seem to let a nickname that proves nothing go please tell me where this nickname proves Brady ordered balls to be deflated. I'll wait newbie

It proves nothing?? Bwahahahaha It proves that he is the guy who does the deflating. That proves there is deflating being done.

I know you want Brady's mangoo in your mouth and think that there needs to be an actual video of him instructing the guy to let the air out, but it only takes common sense to connect the dots. No way in hell are those guys messing with those balls unless Brady wants them to. Oh, plus he destroyed his phone. That's the case right there. Vincent agrees. Goodell agrees., Wells agrees. 90% of the co8untry believes. Eliminate blind Patriot homers and it's 99%

[NewbieJr 541]

At the end of this lets see which one of us will be right. Judging by what the judge has said during this hearing I think you, along with Goodell, will prove to be an incompetent fool lol

The two aren't mutually exclusive. Goodell may well be an incompetent fool. But he didn't make up that the ball boy's nickname was The Deflator. And he didn't make up the fact that Brady destroyed his phone.

[Djgb13 2,339]

It proves nothing?? Bwahahahaha It proves that he is the guy who does the deflating. That proves there is deflating being done.

I know you want Brady's mangoo in your mouth and think that there needs to be an actual video of him instructing the guy to let the air out, but it only takes common sense to connect the dots. No way in hell are those guys messing with those balls unless Brady wants them to. Oh, plus he destroyed his phone. That's the case right there. Vincent agrees. Goodell agrees., Wells agrees. 90% of the co8untry believes. Eliminate blind Patriot homers and it's 99%

Yet the judge doesn't agree....and sorry bud but you still have nothing to go on. Keep twisting and twisting until you finally can get me something that proves it to me. No video of him doing it? No text messages? No emails? Nothing. You got zip. Zilch. Nada. Keep trying newbie

[edjr 6,580]

If you're Roger Goodell and the NFL owners who cut his paycheck, you only have yourself to blame for believing in Ted Wells and his horribly incompetent report.

That's the biggest takeaway from Wednesday's settlement hearing in New York before U.S. District Court Judge Richard M. Berman.

It wasn't the NFL in the crosshairs in New York federal district court as much as it was the investigator the league thought was competent enough to roll the dice and defame the most popular quarterback in NFL history.

Berman suggested not to read anything into his line of questioning, which certainly was aggressive toward the NFL and seemed favorable toward Tom Brady.

"I have not made up my mind which side will prevail," Berman announced. "We are proceeding on both tracks of litigation and negotiation."

Devil's advocate? More like the devil in the details.

"I'm having trouble figuring the evidence for the conspiracy or scheme that relates to the Jan. 18 AFC championship game," Berman said.

Former federal prosecutor John Dowd has spent time in district courts just like the one Brady and Goodell were in for roughly two hours Wednesday. He brought down Pete Rose and George Steinbrenner. He knows how to handle high-profile cases. He also can tell when an investigator is in over his head.

"I've had a lot of experience in this area so I'm always curious when these matters are investigated, how they're done," Dowd told me. "Before the Wells report came out, the whole thing bothered me a little bit because I couldn't figure out really what the problem was. And it didn't seem to appear to have affected the game at all. That's what initially bothered me.

"Then when I went and read the Wells Report, I was offended. It just wasn't a good job and I didn't like all the time it took to do it. I don't know why that's the case. I don't know why they didn't just resolve this and settle this back in January before the Super Bowl. It seemed to me the only problem that needed any fix at all was who controls the game balls, and if you don't want ... to me you invite controversy when you involve the teams handling their own balls and the officials all having different ways of measuring the balls, so one solution is for the commissioner to direct the officials to take control of the balls."

There are those who wonder exactly why Dowd would take such a strong stance and start Deflategatefacts.com, laying out the lack of evidence against the Patriots quarterback. The simple answer: to stand up for a famous player who has been unfairly charged.

As stated here in this space at the start of the case in January, this could've been handled immediately after the AFC championship game. But the NFL went down a much different -- and dangerous -- path.

"To me, that's the end of the story, but when I read the Wells Report there were standards there like "generally aware" or "more probable than not" that I had never heard of," Dowd continued. "There are two things that have always mattered in an investigation. One, the integrity to which it's done, which means being very complete and being fair. And this investigation didn't have either, in my opinion, and that's why I went [and created the website]. Someone asked me to write an op-ed piece, which I did, and I went on radio and TV, just to help Tom.

"When you're at that level and you get blindsided like this, it really hurts and does a lot of damage. He's entitle to a fair shake, whether you're a person, a citizen or player. And I don't think he's had or received it here."

Why is the Wells Report so damaging to the NFL?

"Once some daylight started [to show], people read the Wells Report, they weren't impressed with that," Dowd said. "Some people did some separate scientific studies and blew this stuff away. And as you read the facts laid out there, there was no evidence that Tom had done anything, improperly or wrong. And then, you go to the no-prejudice factor, it didn't affect the game, so you say, 'Why are we here?' When people started asking questions and publishing [data] and shredding the Wells Report, I think the NFL, instead of confronting it honestly and saying, 'You know, maybe we went over the line here. Let's see what we can do to come up with a general solution,' like taking custody of the balls.

"They doubled down and went into the ditch and took a bunker mentality. And they have just made a colossal mess of it. On the one hand, it's an independent investigation and then they concede it's not an independent investigation. It's nuts. And then there was leaking going on, leaking of false material, nothing corrected about that. It's just one misstep after another. It's out of control and I lay that at the feet of the commissioner and the NFL. And it's not going to get any better unless this judge straightens it out."

What now?

Mediator James Francis has agreed to help the two sides reach an agreement to avoid this case going any further. If you're the NFL, the likelihood of a four-game suspension seems much less likely to hold now. You'd be better off dealing now and asking Brady to cut a PSA on "Let's all play fair" for the upcoming season. Could Brady's suspension be upheld? Sure. But that could come with the trade-off of the judge stripping the commissioner of all disciplinary powers.

There was no settlement reached on Wednesday. And, after what you heard in court, if you're Tom Brady, there's no reason to stop now.

 

 

 

[Djgb13 2,339]

The two aren't mutually exclusive. Goodell may well be an incompetent fool. But he didn't make up that the ball boy's nickname was The Deflator. And he didn't make up the fact that Brady destroyed his phone.

True but the guys nickname doesn't prove anything. I'm trying to tell you that. His phone was destroyed? Nfl wasn't getting it anyway. He also provided them with everything. There is no proof. No evidence. Please newbie tell me you really aren't that stupid

[NewbieJr 541]

Yet the judge doesn't agree....and sorry bud but you still have nothing to go on. Keep twisting and twisting until you finally can get me something that proves it to me. No video of him doing it? No text messages? No emails? Nothing. You got zip. Zilch. Nada. Keep trying newbie

I don't have to keep trying. I'm on the winning side here, chump. Your team is being penalized. Hopefully, they learn from it this time.

[NewbieJr 541]

True but the guys nickname doesn't prove anything. I'm trying to tell you that. His phone was destroyed? Nfl wasn't getting it anyway. He also provided them with everything. There is no proof. No evidence. Please newbie tell me you really aren't that stupid

You're the one who thinks the Deflator just takes it up[on himself to deflate balls. And that Brady just happened to destroy his phone on the day of his interview with Wells. You really shouldn't throw the word stupid around. A third grader could connect the dots.

[cbfalcon 825]

If there was no evidence, why would they have punished the nfls golden boy in the first place? There had to be a reason.

 

You just asked a great question.

 

I for one hope the NFL refuses to back down and Brady does the same. Because if enough people keep asking what you've asked, the league will eventually be the one having to hand over emails, cell phones, etc.

[Djgb13 2,339]

You're the one who thinks the Deflator just takes it up[on himself to deflate balls. And that Brady just happened to destroy his phone on the day of his interview with Wells. You really shouldn't throw the word stupid around. A third grader could connect the dots.

I'll refer you to eds post. It's laid out all nice and neat for you. After that I'll wait. Cause apparently you just can't seem to grasp anything. True I may be a pats fan but I can also admit when I'm wrong and also take an impartial stance on things. I did when I looked into all the so called "evidence". Honestly newbie, and I'm trying to be civil here, there is honestly nothing that indicates Brady had instructed the ball boys to do anything. There is no evidence at all other than the fact that "well the ball boys wouldn't do it without his approval". Also, the fact that the balls were even tampered with. There is no evidence of this. Colts had balls under inflated as well. Does that mean they did the same thing the patriots did? It's all a big cluster Fock. But once you sift through all the bullsh1t you will see the nfl really had nothing to go on except Goodell wanting to look good to the fans

[TD Ryan2 316]

Hahahahahah So you really believe the ball boy is called The Deflator because he lost weight?? Go ahead. Tell me you believe that.

 

no.

I believe he is called The Deflator because Brady was angry that the balls in the Jets game were so over-inflated (16 psi) that he told them it better not happen again.

 

and it's kinda' funny... the Judge believes this too!

[NewbieJr 541]

 

no.

I believe he is called The Deflator because Brady was angry that the balls in the Jets game were so over-inflated (16 psi) that he told them it better not happen again.

 

and it's kinda' funny... the Judge believes this too!

Wait. What happened to the weight loss story? When did they come out with this new version? lol

[Djgb13 2,339]

 

no.

I believe he is called The Deflator because Brady was angry that the balls in the Jets game were so over-inflated (16 psi) that he told them it better not happen again.

 

and it's kinda' funny... the Judge believes this too!

The fact that the judge is pointing out all the flaws with this whole thing is funny. It also hasn't been mentioned once by people who were blindly following the nfl. At least when I found out Brady destroyed his phone I started to question why he would do that and took a step back. Now after everything came out about it I take my initial stance again. With the judge, it only furthers my belief

[Djgb13 2,339]

Wait. What happened to the weight loss story? When did they come out with this new version? lol

Any comments newbie on what the judge had to say about this whole thing?

[cbfalcon 825]

Wait. What happened to the weight loss story? When did they come out with this new version? lol

 

Probably the same time that the League's story changed from "more likely than not he was generally aware" to ""knew about, approved of, consented to, and provided inducements and rewards". Strange how no new evidence appeared between those 2 judgements.

[NewbieJr 541]

Any comments newbie on what the judge had to say about this whole thing?

No. I didn't read that

[NewbieJr 541]

 

Probably the same time that the League's story changed from "more likely than not he was generally aware" to ""knew about, approved of, consented to, and provided inducements and rewards". Strange how no new evidence appeared between those 2 judgements.

Still not as funny as the original story about the Deflator's weight loss. At least they realized how ridiculous that was and came up with a different lie.

[Djgb13 2,339]

No. I didn't read that

Lol so a judge is presiding over the case as an impartial judge, rips the nfl and their attorneys a new a$$hole for their "evidence" and their "investigation" and you choose to turn a blind eye? Out of sight out of mind? Doesn't work like that. Judge is showing you and everyone out there what complete fools the nfl and Goodell have been you won't acknowledge it

[edjr 6,580]

No. I didn't read that

 

Shockah

[NewbieJr 541]

 

Shockah

All I saw was a longwinded post by a Patriots fan without a link provided. Why would I read that? Probably Bill Simmons or something. I could write his articles fore him at this point.

[edjr 6,580]

Getting awful lonely in here for Newbie's side.

[Djgb13 2,339]

All I saw was a longwinded post by a Patriots fan without a link provided. Why would I read that? Probably Bill Simmons or something. I could write his articles fore him at this point.

You know there is such a thing as Google. A quick search would show you multiple links, from impartial sources such as abc news, that tell you that the judge was questioning all the "evidence" the nfl has. He pretty much ripped them a new a$$hole for the whole matter and the NFLs attorney had no answer for the judges questions. He seemed in over his head in this case and it looks extremely bad for the NFL and Goodell

[cbfalcon 825]

All I saw was a longwinded post by a Patriots fan without a link provided. Why would I read that? Probably Bill Simmons or something. I could write his articles fore him at this point.

 

Guys, Newbie knows the league is in the wrong. He is just doing a bit. It' becoming obvious. Either that, or he is starting to realize how dumb he has been, and Newbie's intent is to now try and make it seem as if he has been doing a bit and we all fell for it. (Medstudent should have went this route). But either way, it's bit time.

[NewbieJr 541]

Getting awful lonely in here for Newbie's side.

lol I'm the only one even entertaining you guys anymore. Everyone else has moved on to the 2015 season. It's really just Pats fans still hanging on. I'm just taunting you guys at this point.

[TD Ryan2 316]

All I saw was a longwinded post by a Patriots fan without a link provided. Why would I read that?

 

uh huh... you didn't read it so it must not be true... these are the same tactics being used the Goodell and NFL lawyers... I'm starting to understand why you find them so believable.

[cbfalcon 825]

http://www.rollingstone.com/sports/features/roger-goodell-vs-tom-brady-the-ultimate-revenge-of-mediocrity-story-20150812?page=2

 

There are countless ways to become famous in America. You can be born beautiful, run really fast in a straight line, revolutionize morning radio or

with monster dunks. You can land a plane in the Hudson River. You can star in True Detective and spend the next year making whacked-out Lincoln commercials. There's no magic formula for celebrity. You just have to do something.

Then there's Roger Goodell.

 

The Commissioner of the NFL, who goes to court today in a historic battle against Patriots quarterback and alleged ball-deflation conspirator Tom Brady, might be the most famous person in America who's never actually done anything.

When Goodell assumed the job of NFL Commissioner in 2006, the league was exploding in popularity. It was the ultimate golden-goose business; a wildly popular sport that tens of millions would follow even if you told them watching the games caused bowel cancer. All the owners needed a new frontman to do to keep the cash flowing was absolutely nothing. So to do nothing, they picked just the right man.

 

Everything about Roger Goodell is average. His face doesn't have a single distinguishing feature. Even other nondescript white guys would have trouble picking him out in a police lineup. He's been on TV as much as anyone in sports in recent years, but not even the most dedicated football fan can remember anything he's actually said.

 

His speech is nasal and slow. His intellect rates a consistent C/C-minus. He went to Washington & Jefferson College, a school near Pittsburgh whose fight song is sung to the tune of "99 Bottles of Beer on the Wall" and makes fun of a Presbyterian seminary for women. To paraphrase the Russian novelist Nikolai Gogol: everybody has something, but Roger Goodell has nothing.

Goodell has a job that causes him to be surrounded by genetic lottery winners, players whose extraordinary talents Americans pay $10 billion a year to watch. For most human beings this would be humbling. But Goodell decided fairly quickly after taking the job that what the league needed was not more dazzling on-field play, but more Roger Goodell. He started looking for ways to inject himself into the game. He was like the bozo producer on a movie shoot who keeps asking the director to write cameos for him into the script.

He started small, dropping suspensions on not-quite-stars with arrest issues like "Pacman" Jones and the late Chris Henry. The sports media mostly cheered. Many had long begged for the kind of iron-hand discipline that former Commissioner Paul Tagliabue, a lawyer and probable secret believer in civil rights, had refused to wield.

 

"Tagliabue is a good man," wrote ESPN's Len Pasquarelli in 2007, "but he also is an attorney and often fretted more over due process than enunciating a can-do policy of punishment."

Goodell was different, "a veritable hanging judge," Pasquarelli wrote. "Good for him."

 

The hangman must have loved all of these bons mots (reporters also called him "sheriff" and the "ginger hammer"), because he quickly transformed the humdrum process of handing down player suspensions. Like the draft and the combine, he took an obscure league ritual and turned it into destination television.

If and when democracy collapses under the upcoming Trump administration, Goodell's discipline process is what the criminal justice system will look like: secret evidence, double-jeopardy prosecutions, judges serving as prosecutors and vice versa, no right against self-incrimination, no right to face accusers, ex post facto lawmaking, conviction by inference, etc.

 

Of course it's hard to get worked up about any of this, because the "crimes" Goodell punishes involve things like leaking air out of footballs. But that's what makes all this so absurd. It's like a Poconos-comedy version of Stalinism.

The arc of the "sheriff's" discipline cases is almost always the same. A prominent player, coach or team gets in the soup. Goodell steps in and promises justice. Salacious details are leaked to the media; the player is handed a maximum or beyond-maximum punishment; moralizing sportswriters rush to applaud the "tough" decision.

 

When the accused pursues his appeal, he discovers he's not entitled to find out what the charges actually are, what evidence the league has or who's testifying against him. Moreover, as the appeal date gets closer, the charges may change. The player might be told that he is accused of non-cooperation and/or lying. He and his lawyers soon discover that they're being asked to prove a negative. Can you demonstrate you've cooperated fully? If the commissioner finds you "not credible," what's the defense against that?

The moving-target prosecution works. Look at the New Orleans Saints. In June of 2012, Goodell's office leaked a document to Jason Cole of Yahoo! that purported to show a "ledger" of payments made to Saints team members for hits that injured opposing players.

The story was amazingly specific, citing a game against the Buffalo Bills in 2009 in which three players were paid $1,000 apiece for hits that led to players being "carted off" the field.

But it later came out that of the four Bills players injured in that game, three played defense, making it impossible for Saints defensive players to have been guilty. So Cole's league source "corrected" the leak, saying that the game in question was actually a November 2009 contest against the Panthers.

But in that game, only one Panthers player was injured, a linebacker who fell down untouched while backpedaling. The story has never been retracted.

The league leaked all sorts of bits and pieces of evidence against the Saints. Much of it turned out to be not true, or not exactly true. The league, for instance, said that linebacker Jonathan Vilma put $10,000 on a table before a game, offering it to any teammate who would knock out Brett Favre. But it's not clear that actually happened.

 

The league said another player, Anthony Hargrove, was caught on video asking for money for hitting Favre. Goodell's office even issued the video. But it wasn't clear in the end that Hargrove actually said anything incriminating, or why the NFL was so sure he had.

By the time all of this got sorted out in the media, the players' suspensions were being upheld in a ruling that didn't mention the ledger and only said "a Saints player" was heard saying stuff on video, and mostly just slammed them all for refusing to admit guilt.

 

Goodell pulled the same Whac-A-Mole tactic with Ray Rice. In that case, Goodell first imposed a two-game ban on the Ravens star for domestic abuse. But after a horrifying video of Rice's conduct hit the news, the commissioner re-thought his decision. He decided to impose an indefinite ban under a new domestic violence policy that he would apply retroactively, claiming that Rice had lied to him about the extent of his conduct, constituting a new offense.

 

A federal judge disagreed, ruling that Goodell himself had lied about being misled. The icy judicial ruling expressly prohibited the league from ever again retroactively applying new conduct policies.

But just two weeks later, Goodell whipped out his cojones and repeated the same trick with Vikings star Adrian Peterson. He claimed Peterson's failure to show remorse for striking his child constituted a new violation, even though he committed the actual abuse under the old policy.

A weary court system eventually overturned Goodell again, but by then the league had leapfrogged from Rice to Peterson to the next target: Brady.

 

"Deflategate" is like a greatest hits collects of all of Goodell's best gags. There's the prominent leak of false info, this time to Chris Mortensen at ESPN (who said 11 of 12 Patriots footballs were underinflated by 2 PSI) instead of Jason Cole. There's the goalpost-moving decision to hammer Brady for non-cooperation once the furor over the original deflation charges waned. And there was the refusal to let Brady see the evidence against him, in this case hiding it behind the attorney-client privilege Goodell claimed he enjoyed with his "independent" investigator, Ted Wells.

Now it's the first week of the 2015 preseason, and instead of talking about football, the entire country is about to tune in to a WWE-style reputational death-match that pits Brady, the game's biggest star, against Roger Goodell, the most uninteresting man in America.

If Goodell wins this cage fight against the glamor-boy quarterback, it will be the ultimate revenge-of-mediocrity story. Antonio Salieri is probably history's

, but Salieri at least wrote music. In fact, you couldn't have F. Murray Abraham play Goodell, because F. Murray Abraham is too interesting.

If Goodell wins this court battle, sports pundits will line up to talk about what a "brilliant" PR strategist Goodell is, how he's "masterfully" scored a public relations "knockout" of the once-iconic Brady.

 

Except this Iago-esque campaign of diabolical leaks, secret indictments and double punishments has been conducted against his most marketable player for…why exactly? What other business would spend such an awesome amount of time, money, and most of all cunning undermining its key employees?

Can you imagine Adam Silver poring through the fine print of the NBA's collective bargaining agreement in search of a way to leak Kevin Durant's family emails? Or pursuing a scorched-earth prosecution of LeBron James over a shoelace violation?

It's like concocting a brilliant plan to break into a supermax prison. Hey, you made it, congratulations, that's a hell of a tunnel you built there. Now what was the point again?

 

Whether you think Tom Brady is guilty or not (and as a Patriots fan I have my own obvious, and probably laughable, opinion) is sort of irrelevant by now. If it hadn't been Brady, it would have been someone else.

The drama that's kicking off in New York this week is really all about Roger Goodell, who's been moving toward this moment for years. The commissioner is very close to a great career triumph. It'll be a stupid, self-defeating, pointless triumph, but a triumph nonetheless. And then we'll all go back to wondering what the hell this was about.

[NewbieJr 541]

You know there is such a thing as Google. A quick search would show you multiple links, from impartial sources such as abc news, that tell you that the judge was questioning all the "evidence" the nfl has. He pretty much ripped them a new a$$hole for the whole matter and the NFLs attorney had no answer for the judges questions. He seemed in over his head in this case and it looks extremely bad for the NFL and Goodell

I've said about 20 times that I know the NFL has screwed up the investigation. Do you think you're telling me something new?

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

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[NewbieJr 541]

 

Guys, Newbie knows the league is in the wrong. He is just doing a bit. It' becoming obvious. Either that, or he is starting to realize how dumb he has been, and Newbie's intent is to now try and make it seem as if he has been doing a bit and we all fell for it. (Medstudent should have went this route). But either way, it's bit time.

I'm sure as hell not doing a bit regarding Brady cheating. And I've said many times that Goodell hasn't handled this well. I also said it doesn't change the fact that Brady got caught cheating. I just wish you were smart enough to realize that one doesn't change the other.

[Djgb13 2,339]

 

uh huh... you didn't read it so it must not be true... these are the same tactics being used the Goodell and NFL lawyers... I'm starting to understand why you find them so believable.

Look how well that's turning out for them. Goodell wanted to dish out punishment so bad despite not having anything and the judge is calling him on it. Even his lawyers had no answer for the judge involving this

[Djgb13 2,339]

I've said about 20 times that I know the NFL has screwed up the investigation. Do you think you're telling me something new?

By "screwed up the investigation" you mean "not having evidence from the whole thing and still dishing out punishment" right?

[Kanil 520]

I see a lot of people deflecting questions from Newbie, changing the subject rather than answering them, and then calling him an idiot. Regardless of whether he is an idiot or not, his questions as to the nickname and the change in story for the nickname are valid but are not being answered by those whom I believe do not like the answer they'd have to give. I'll pose them again:

 

Question 1:

Do those defending the Patriots truly believe the ballboy got the nickname "The Deflator" for any reason other than being the guy that deflates the balls prior to the game?

 

Question 2:

If yes, why do you suppose the story from the Patriots camp has changed from "He lost weight" to "He overfilled balls once and was chided for it"?

[NewbieJr 541]

I see a lot of people deflecting questions from Newbie, changing the subject rather than answering them, and then calling him an idiot. Regardless of whether he is an idiot or not, his questions as to the nickname and the change in story for the nickname are valid but are not being answered by those whom I believe do not like the answer they'd have to give. I'll pose them again:

 

Question 1:

Do those defending the Patriots truly believe the ballboy got the nickname "The Deflator" for any reason other than being the guy that deflates the balls prior to the game?

 

Question 2:

If yes, why do you suppose the story from the Patriots camp has changed from "He lost weight" to "He overfilled balls once and was chided for it"?

And now the dance begins. LOL