Now that the transcripts have been released for deflategate.....

[cbfalcon 827]

keep talking in circles pussie. It covers up the fact that ice owned your sorry ass all week.

By virtue of the fact that Ive been sucked into attempting to have a discussion with what equates to a dull rock, you have in fact owned my ass all week, albeit in a very different manner than you are aware of.

 

So yes, I admit you are correct in this moment.

[ZeroTolerance 584]

On a side note, the sketch artist for this courtroom is AMAZING.

 

Rough day in court for Mr. Brady. Fortunately he had his driver there to take him home.

 

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[KSB2424 3,173]

I love this. Brady's reputation has been forever tarnished and now the NFL is being called out for being the clown show run organization it's is (in regards to personal conduct).

 

Win-Win

 

Glad Bless America

[edjr 6,898]

I love this. Brady's reputation has been forever tarnished

 

Only in a moron's eyes, sure.

[KSB2424 3,173]

 

Only in a moron's eyes, sure.

The court of public opinion is....what it is. I don't think Brady's reputation has been tarnished. But it has. You can't un-ring bells.

[edjr 6,898]

The court of public opinion is....what it is. I don't think Brady's reputation has been tarnished. But it has. You can't un-ring bells.

 

For an idiot, yes of course.

 

Remember Richard Jewell? Yeah, exactly. A lot of idiots if you asked would say he was the Olympic bomber. Morons

[cbfalcon 827]

The court of public opinion is....what it is. I don't think Brady's reputation has been tarnished. But it has. You can't un-ring bells.

 

As this thread has demonstrated, people are suckers for headlines. So if Brady wants to un-tarnish his rep, he just needs bigger headlines than the ones the league has pushed. Taking down the lowest character commissioner in our sports lifetime, much to the celebration of every other player in the league, could get him the type of headlines that would do the trick. I'm not predicting it, because I don't think this thing will get pushed far enough to reveal the dirty laundry of the league's behavior. But it's at least plausible.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

This is working out just as I hoped. Brady's career tarnished already no matter what happens by public opinion, and now Goodell and the NFL gets publicly called out by a court of law for being overzealous know-it-all dipshits.

 

We all win.

Is what a jealous loser thinks

[NewbieJr 541]

The court of public opinion is....what it is. I don't think Brady's reputation has been tarnished. But it has. You can't un-ring bells.

And all he had to do was come clean the days following the Colts game instead of spending that time calling the ball boy to get their story straight. And now, seven months later. he's still being self-centered and he's in a courtroom while his team is in training camp. More tarnished with each passing day.

[TD Ryan2 316]

And all he had to do was come clean

 

how... for what? Telling equipment guys that he likes the footballs on the lower end of the legal inflation levels? I'm guessing every QB, even backups, tell the equipment guys how they like/want the ball prepared. Isn't this exactly why each team gets to bring/prepare its own footballs?

 

You want him to "come clean" and admit something he has said numerous times he did not do and now a judge has said there's no clear proof that he did anything wrong. But that's still not good enough for you...

[cbfalcon 827]

And all he had to do was come clean the days following the Colts game instead of spending that time calling the ball boy to get their story straight. And now, seven months later. he's still being self-centered and he's in a courtroom while his team is in training camp. More tarnished with each passing day.

 

....says the obtuse rock that questioned last night why an innocent person would accept a large penalty.

 

If I didn't know better, you think fighting the punishment is indicative of guilt...and accepting a punishment is indicative of guilt.

[TD Ryan2 316]

Here's what Brady can "come clean" on...

 

I, Tom Brady, did not fully cooperate with the NFL. The NFL was not proceeding in a fair, hones, and unbiased way when they began their investigation. I was clear to my attorney and me that any materials provided to the NFL or their "independent" investigator beyond what was legally and contractually required would be used against me in an effort to tarnish my reputation for actions outside of and not relating to football and the NFL.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

how... for what? Telling equipment guys that he likes the footballs on the lower end of the legal inflation levels? I'm guessing every QB, even backups, tell the equipment guys how they like/want the ball prepared. Isn't this exactly why each team gets to bring/prepare its own footballs?

 

You want him to "come clean" and admit something he has said numerous times he did not do and now a judge has said there's no clear proof that he did anything wrong. But that's still not good enough for you...

Very simple. After the game, he should have held a press conference. All he had to say was something along the lines of...."I understand that our equipment managers broke a rule today and let air out of the footballs after the referees inspected them. As the quarterback of this team, I put a lot of pressure on those guys to prepare everything the way I like it. They do a great job for me and the team, but in this instance, they went to far. And I accept the blame for that. While I never asked them to break any rules, I truly believe they were doing what they thought would make me happy. I realize that rules are rules and I want to apologize to the league, the Indianapolis Colts, and the fans of the NFL. I take great pride in doing things the right way and I can assure you there will never be a misunderstanding like this again."

 

Done. Team fine. The entire circus over before the Super Bowl is even played. But Brady chose a different route. As do all the steroid guys when they get busted. Deny, deny, deny. And now he's missing training camp because of his self-centeredness.

[edjr 6,898]

"I understand that our equipment managers broke a rule today and let air out of the footballs after the referees inspected them.

 

They did?

[NewbieJr 541]

 

They did?

 

My point was, if they hadn't decided to go the Ryan Braun route, this would have been over a long, long time ago. Pats would still have their draft picks. Brady wouldn't be suspended. And Brady wouldn't look like such a lying,whiny pussie to everyone in the country.

[TD Ryan2 316]

"I understand that our equipment managers broke a rule today and let air out of the footballs after the referees inspected them.

 

1. What if he does not know or "understand' that is what happened

 

2. Even if that is what happened, Brady/NE get crucified for throwing the "little guys" under the bus - I can only imagine how crazed you'd have been if they did that

[NewbieJr 541]

 

1. What if he does not know or "understand' that is what happened

 

2. Even if that is what happened, Brady/NE get crucified for throwing the "little guys" under the bus - I can only imagine how crazed you'd have been if they did that

I think the wording makes it sound like Brady admits he puts so much pressure on the guys that they misunderstood his expectations. It also lets Brady sound like he had no idea they were breaking rules, but still admitting culpability. Of course he'd be criticized. But certainly not to the extent he's being killed by the public now. He looks horrible. Regardless of the outcome. Those two ball boys were fired.

[cbfalcon 827]

 

I can only imagine how crazed you'd have been if they did that

 

This is why Newbie is Newbie. He thinks Brady should have in one statement:

- admitted his ball boys broke the rules.

- admitted they did it to make him happy

- said he never asked them to do anything of the sort.

 

I, and other logical people, would have called Brady to the carpet for this. How can he claim he wasn't involved and imply he didn't know about it, but also admit that he knows they did it?....and as soon as the logical people pointed out this contradiction, Newbie would have went insane with rage at Tom Brady for cheating. He may have tracked down Edjr and punched him in the face just because it's the only thing he could do to get out some aggression.

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

 

....says the obtuse rock that questioned last night why an innocent person would accept a large penalty.

 

If I didn't know better, you think fighting the punishment is indicative of guilt...and accepting a punishment is indicative of guilt.

Depends on the level of punishment you're accepting to make it go away. If a cop gives you a ticket, but the offer from the judge is a fine and no points, yeah accept that and move on. But if they want a fine and points and suspend your license, you fight that if you're innocent. Kraft took the harsh punishment. He should have fought it, it's not like he doesn't have the means to fight it.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

This is why Newbie is Newbie. He thinks Brady should have in one statement:

- admitted his ball boys broke the rules.

- admitted they did it to make him happy

- said he never asked them to do anything of the sort.

 

I, and other logical people, would have called Brady to the carpet for this. How can he claim he wasn't involved and imply he didn't know about it, but also admit that he knows they did it?....and as soon as the logical people pointed out this contradiction, Newbie would have went insane with rage at Tom Brady for cheating. He may have tracked down Edjr and punched him in the face just because it's the only thing he could do to get out some aggression.

I'm not saying that no one would have been critical of Brady. I, for one, would have definitely called him a liar for acting like he didn't know they were doing it. But at least he's coming clean and admitting some blame for it. Resembling a male. And it would have been over long ago with MUCH MUCH less penalty to his team. He's getting the hatred anyway.

[edjr 6,898]

 

1. What if he does not know or "understand' that is what happened

 

2. Even if that is what happened, Brady/NE get crucified for throwing the "little guys" under the bus - I can only imagine how crazed you'd have been if they did that

 

God knows, the newbies of the world would have been like. Yup, Brady had nothing to do with it, had he come out and said that

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

 

God knows, the newbies of the world would have been like. Yup, Brady had nothing to do with it, had he come out and said that

No, but he could have saved the team from punishment, or at least less punishment.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

God knows, the newbies of the world would have been like. Yup, Brady had nothing to do with it, had he come out and said that

Look at the big picture, Moron. No lost draft picks. No suspension. Maybe if Brady was less worried about his golden boy rep and what the Newbies of the world think, and more about his team, this nonsense wouldn't be happening. htg

[NewbieJr 541]

Two names: Jason Giambi. Andy Pettite.

 

Both came clean about their cheating. Neither hated nearly as much as the other roiders. Brady should have taken their lead.

[TD Ryan2 316]

Look at the big picture, Moron. No lost draft picks. No suspension.

 

don't you think Brady / NE knew from the get-go that NFL officials who did not like them were trying to set this whole thing up? Like a black guy who's traffic stop quickly turns into something it shouldn't, for no reason at all.

And you want Brady to cooperate, just lay down to make it all easier on himself and the team - no focking way - maybe if Philly had this mindset, they'd have a trophy or two.

[cbfalcon 827]

Depends on the level of punishment you're accepting to make it go away. If a cop gives you a ticket, but the offer from the judge is a fine and no points, yeah accept that and move on. But if they want a fine and points and suspend your license, you fight that if you're innocent. Kraft took the harsh punishment. He should have fought it, it's not like he doesn't have the means to fight it.

I'll agree with you here.

 

And in a vacuum, we both agree a 1st and 4th is harsh. What I don't know is what the league was threatening Kraft with if he fought it and lost......and considering that the prosecutor also served as the judge in this system, and that he has a history of excessive punishment, and that there were indications he wanted blood, well it may be best just to plea down no matter how badly the deal looks.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

don't you think Brady / NE knew from the get-go that NFL officials who did not like them were trying to set this whole thing up? Like a black guy who's traffic stop quickly turns into something it shouldn't, for no reason at all.

And you want Brady to cooperate, just lay down to make it all easier on himself and the team - no focking way - maybe if Philly had this mindset, they'd have a trophy or two.

tinfoil hat. Lol. They're out to get us. Bwahahaha

[cbfalcon 827]

Two names: Jason Giambi. Andy Pettite.

 

Both came clean about their cheating. Neither hated nearly as much as the other roiders. Brady should have taken their lead.

 

You are making some good points.

 

The result is this.....Before I tended to lean towards Brady being guilty, but realizing there isn't anywhere near enough evidence to be confident, and therefore declaring you can't destroy a man's rep and potentially a team's season on what amounts to a 55-45 prospect he did it..................But the more legit points you make like this, the more I start to think Brady is actually completely innocent.

[TD Ryan2 316]

tinfoil hat. Lol. They're out to get us. Bwahahaha

 

The Ravens are pissed and embarrassed that they lost to NE because they didn't know the formation rules.

The Ravens call NE's rival, the Colts, to tell them they think NE is doing bad things.

Mike Kensil, the league official who worked at NYJ and lost his job bc of Belichick, leads the investigation, and at halftime runs to NE equipment guys proclaiming, "“We weighed the balls. You are in big f—ing trouble.”.

 

Newbie - that is the definition of people "out to get you"... these people clearly have an agenda to jam up NE.

Do you deny this?

 

 

 

edit: Also, Kensil admitted he has no idea what the Ideal Gas Law is.

This is the equivalent of a cop who does not understand a radar gun pulling people over.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

The Ravens are pissed and embarrassed that they lost to NE because they didn't know the formation rules.

The Ravens call NE's rival, the Colts, to tell them they think NE is doing bad things.

Mike Kensil, the league official who worked at NYJ and lost his job bc of Belichick, leads the investigation, and at halftime runs to NE equipment guys proclaiming, "“We weighed the balls. You are in big f—ing trouble.”.

 

Newbie - that is the definition of people "out to get you"... these people clearly have an agenda to jam up NE.

Do you deny this?

 

 

 

edit: Also, Kensil admitted he has no idea what the Ideal Gas Law is.

This is the equivalent of a cop who does not understand a radar gun pulling people over.

LOL I just love the Patriot paranoia.

 

Why wasn't eh league out to get the 70's Steelers? Or the 80's 49ers? Or the 90's Cowboys?

 

Ever think that people are sick and tired of this shady Patriots regime and the way they have no regard for the rule book? No one is out to get them. They just suck at cheating.

[NewbieJr 541]

Bottom line is, dynasties have always been respected and generally liked. Of course the rival teams hated them, but there was a general fondness and respect for those Steeler, Niner, and Cowboy teams. Your Patriots are hated. They are smug. Their fans are smug. They break the rules constantly. And then when they get caught, they act like...well, like you. There's a reason you feel paranoid.

[TD Ryan2 316]

there was a general fondness and respect for those Steeler, Niner, and Cowboy teams. Y

 

no newbie... the fondness only comes around after a historical look back - the Cowboys, Steelers, and (to some degree) 49ers were hated.

 

Gretzky was hated.

Russel and Chamberlain were hated

LeBron is hated

Bird was hated

The Yankees were hated

The Canadiens were hated

Marino was hated

 

and for all of them, not so much anymore...

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

don't you think Brady / NE knew from the get-go that NFL officials who did not like them were trying to set this whole thing up? Like a black guy who's traffic stop quickly turns into something it shouldn't, for no reason at all.

And you want Brady to cooperate, just lay down to make it all easier on himself and the team - no focking way - maybe if Philly had this mindset, they'd have a trophy or two.

 

So, you are under the opinion that had Brady said anything like Newbie posted...or others have posted before...that the NFL would still have come after him?

One of the biggest players in the game?

 

You are focking nuts.

[parrot 789]

Depends on the level of punishment you're accepting to make it go away. If a cop gives you a ticket, but the offer from the judge is a fine and no points, yeah accept that and move on. But if they want a fine and points and suspend your license, you fight that if you're innocent. Kraft took the harsh punishment. He should have fought it, it's not like he doesn't have the means to fight it.

 

The league bylaws accord Commissioner rulings the status of "final, conclusive, and unappealable". Kraft would have had to sue the league, and he would have been breaking the bylaws in doing that.

 

Since the owners ARE the league, an owner suing the league is completely different than a player suing the league. It's like a partner suing his own firm. Even if you win the case, unless it positively impacts the other partners (which in this case it clearly wouldn't), it's not going to bode well for you going forward. And a win weakens the league in the long run. A million bucks is petty cash for Kraft, and even a first rounder is not that huge a deal when compared with the long-term prospect of losing standing with his fellow owners and influence in the league.

[TD Ryan2 316]

 

So, you are under the opinion that had Brady said anything like Newbie posted...or others have posted before...that the NFL would still have come after him?

 

we're dealing in hypotheticals here but yes, probably, yes - the NFL would have still investigated Brady.

 

If Brady throws the equipment guys under the bus and walks away clean, there's an outcry from the masses and from NFLers like Kensil that have an agenda - an investigation would have to be conducted - they're not gonna' just take Brady's or the team's word and leave it at that.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

So, you are under the opinion that had Brady said anything like Newbie posted...or others have posted before...that the NFL would still have come after him?

One of the biggest players in the game?

 

You are focking nuts.

Yeah, the truth is always a bad idea.

 

Patriots fans are officially the most pathetic in all of sports.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

we're dealing in hypotheticals here but yes, probably, yes - the NFL would have still investigated Brady.

 

If Brady throws the equipment guys under the bus and walks away clean, there's an outcry from the masses and from NFLers like Kensil that have an agenda - an investigation would have to be conducted - they're not gonna' just take Brady's or the team's word and leave it at that.

 

If Brady had said something like that...rather than claiming he knew nothing, refusing to give them information (until he gave up some emails and a spreadsheet)...there is zero chance they suspend him 4 games like they did.

 

You make it out that the NFL as a whole hated the Pats and Brady and were just on some witch hunt to destroy them.

Its laughable.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

we're dealing in hypotheticals here but yes, probably, yes - the NFL would have still investigated Brady.

 

If Brady throws the equipment guys under the bus and walks away clean, there's an outcry from the masses and from NFLers like Kensil that have an agenda - an investigation would have to be conducted - they're not gonna' just take Brady's or the team's word and leave it at that.

So you're going with the narrative that it's better to just lie. Got it.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

If Brady had said something like that...rather than claiming he knew nothing, refusing to give them information (until he gave up some emails and a spreadsheet)...there is zero chance they suspend him 4 games like they did.

 

You make it out that the NFL as a whole hated the Pats and Brady and were just on some witch hunt to destroy them.

Its laughable.

Asswipes like TDRyan seem to forget that Kraft and Goodell were having dinner together the night before the Colts game. LOL Yeah, so much hatred there.

[cbfalcon 827]

LOL I just love the Patriot paranoia.

 

Why wasn't eh league out to get the 70's Steelers? Or the 80's 49ers? Or the 90's Cowboys?

 

Ever think that people are sick and tired of this shady Patriots regime and the way they have no regard for the rule book? No one is out to get them. They just suck at cheating.

 

 

Bottom line is, dynasties have always been respected and generally liked. Of course the rival teams hated them, but there was a general fondness and respect for those Steeler, Niner, and Cowboy teams. Your Patriots are hated. They are smug. Their fans are smug. They break the rules constantly. And then when they get caught, they act like...well, like you. There's a reason you feel paranoid.

 

The 49ers cheated the salary cap during their run. The Cowboys have admitted to the same things the Pats did during Spygate, and were considered beyond smug criminals. The difference is this commissioner. He is more concerned with his public perception than what is right or fair. And when he saw himself on Time magazine with the title "The Enforcer", his diick got hard.

 

Think about this.

- A superstar hit his child so hard that there are pictures of the child's injuries all over the internet

- A star player is on video punching his wife out cold, then dragging her seemingly lifeless body out of an elevator

- The most smug seeming girly QB of the modern era may have been cheating

 

And somehow, I can find multiple articles on major mainstream websites in each of those cases that indicate the commish acted in a way that those guys are victims. Think about how hard that should have been to do.....If this guy ahd been the world's commish for the last century, yahoo and msn would be publishing stories indicating that Pol Pot and Hitler are being viewed too harshly.