Most overrated head coaches NFL

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

1. Andy Reid.

[IGotWorms 4,060]

Gotta be Tom Coughlin

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

Coughlin: 5-1 vs BB.

[kilroy69 1,257]

love smith and it's not close. if he were not black he would be out of the nfl by now.

[MDC 7,642]

I haven't followed him in KC but throughout his tenure in Philly, Andy Reid was among the best coaches from Monday - Saturday (getting the team motivated, bouncing back from bad games) and the worst on Sunday (making adjustments, managing time outs and the clock etc).

 

I'd say Chip Kelly is overrated but I think the secret is out on him now.

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

love smith and it's not close. if he were not black he would be out of the nfl by now.

He is as well, but he did get to a super bowl with Rex Grossman. You have to give him some credit for that.

[dain11279 977]

I'm starting to think Rex Ryan

[TimmySmith 2,783]

John Fox...maybe.

[mighty_thor 115]

I'm starting to think Rex Ryan

Agree. He went to Buffalo and the defense is now worse.

He left the Jets and now the Jets defense is better. He used to hang his hat on how well his defenses performed.

[DankNuggs 305]

Gotta be Tom Coughlin

That is absolutely untrue, top 5 HC in NFL.

[Bier Meister 1,737]

1. Andy Reid.

 

 

I haven't followed him in KC but throughout his tenure in Philly, Andy Reid was among the best coaches from Monday - Saturday (getting the team motivated, bouncing back from bad games) and the worst on Sunday (making adjustments, managing time outs and the clock etc).

 

I'd say Chip Kelly is overrated but I think the secret is out on him now.

 

 

i am not sure if i would categorize him as overrated (as i do not think he is rated that highly to begin with). I do think there are a lot things he does well.

 

right now, i would love for my team to have him.

[IGotWorms 4,060]

That is absolutely untrue, top 5 HC in NFL.

I know

[GobbleDog 1,006]

Jeff Fisher: 19 full seasons as head coach.... a whopping 6 playoff appearances. No superbowl wins.

 

 

This man has a job?

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

And there's Tomlin and McCarthy. Not as bad as those listed above, but you would at least have to say they have underachieved. McCarthy especially. He's got a division title wrapped up in August most years.

[Sho Nuff 720]

And there's Tomlin and McCarthy. Not as bad as those listed above, but you would at least have to say they have underachieved. McCarthy especially. He's got a division title wrapped up in August most years.

 

There it is...he finally gets to the reason for making a thread...to once again talk about McCarthy.

 

I think you have a major obsession problem man.

better let it go...he is married.

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

 

There it is...he finally gets to the reason for making a thread...to once again talk about McCarthy.

 

I think you have a major obsession problem man.

better let it go...he is married.

I have my views and I like to talk football. Stay away if you don't like it.

[Mike Honcho 5,339]

 

There it is...he finally gets to the reason for making a thread...to once again talk about McCarthy.

 

I think you have a major obsession problem man.

better let it go...he is married.

 

 

Hey, I'm as big of a Packer fan as there is...and I'm starting to wonder. Top 3 QB in football, 1 SB appearance---though I actually put more of the onus on TT, I think of that MM and his staff do a pretty good job of coaching these guys up for the most part.

[TD Ryan2 316]

I'm gonna' go with more of an "All Time" list and I'll give you 2 lists, one for most overrated, one for most deserving of their accolades.

 

Most Overrated (in random order)

Jerry Glanville

Mike Ditka

Mike Shannahan

Norv Turner

Tony Dungy

Jeff Fisher

John Gruden

Dan Reeves

 

Most Deserving of Accolades (in random order)

Vince Lombardi

Tom Landry

Bill Parcells

John Madden

Bill Belichick

Bill Walsh

Don Shula

Chuck Knoll

Paul Brown

Don Coryell

 

I'm sure it's debatable - lot's of older coaches I don't really know enough about to evaluate and I'm probably missing some off both lists. but these are the ones in my brain now/today.

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

I'm gonna' go with more of an "All Time" list and I'll give you 2 lists, one for most overrated, one for most deserving of their accolades.

 

Most Overrated (in random order)

Jerry Glanville

Mike Ditka

Mike Shannahan

Norv Turner

Tony Dungy

Jeff Fisher

John Gruden

Dan Reeves

 

Most Deserving of Accolades (in random order)

Vince Lombardi

Tom Landry

Bill Parcells

John Madden

Bill Belichick

Bill Walsh

Don Shula

Chuck Knoll

Paul Brown

Don Coryell

 

I'm sure it's debatable - lot's of older coaches I don't really know enough about to evaluate and I'm probably missing some off both lists. but these are the ones in my brain now/today.

Agee with all that. Especially Dungy. McCarthy is following the same path. So is Tomlin. Those guys need to get another ring soon.

[Mike Honcho 5,339]

I'm gonna' go with more of an "All Time" list and I'll give you 2 lists, one for most overrated, one for most deserving of their accolades.

 

Most Overrated (in random order)

Jerry Glanville

Mike Ditka

Mike Shannahan

Norv Turner

Tony Dungy

Jeff Fisher

John Gruden

Dan Reeves

 

Most Deserving of Accolades (in random order)

Vince Lombardi

Tom Landry

Bill Parcells

John Madden

Bill Belichick

Bill Walsh

Don Shula

Chuck Knoll

Paul Brown

Don Coryell

 

I'm sure it's debatable - lot's of older coaches I don't really know enough about to evaluate and I'm probably missing some off both lists. but these are the ones in my brain now/today.

 

You forgot Halas. And I'm biased, but Curly Lambeau was also considered one of the greats.

 

Lambeau's Packers were the first pro team to use the forward pass as an offensive weapon. Lambeau also is credited as the first coach to run daily practices and utilize pass patterns. He stands in fourth place in NFL history in games coached and victories.

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

What about Joe Gibbs?

[Mike Honcho 5,339]

What about Joe Gibbs?

 

good addition.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

 

Hey, I'm as big of a Packer fan as there is...and I'm starting to wonder. Top 3 QB in football, 1 SB appearance---though I actually put more of the onus on TT, I think of that MM and his staff do a pretty good job of coaching these guys up for the most part.

MB has been obsessing about this in multiple threads.

 

I think there are multiple failures over the years. Including Rodgers calf and collar bone. And McCarthy screwing up some too.

 

But when thinking overrated...shouldn't a bunch of people be claiming the guy is awesome? But nobody does. Considered a very good coach at this point and won't rate very high all time.

 

That and winning a title is damn hard.

[Sho Nuff 720]

I have my views and I like to talk football. Stay away if you don't like it.

The joke is that you seem to whine about McCarthy often. You seem to have 3 obsessions...saying 18-1, crying about the Cowboys, or whining about Mike McCarthy.

 

Its sad and you didn't even deny that was the point of this one...called it easily too.

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

Anyhow...... Back to the discussion. I have to say that Dan Reeves did a pretty good job in the beginning with the NYG, and a great job with the Falcons. And those early Elway teams weren't that great. Im up in the air about him.

[Mike Honcho 5,339]

MB has been obsessing about this in multiple threads.

 

I think there are multiple failures over the years. Including Rodgers calf and collar bone.

 

That and winning a title is damn hard.

 

IMO, with a QB as good as Rodgers, the Packers should be competing for championships as much as the Pats. When you look at the list of SB participants since TT/MM have gotten on board, Pats 4 appearance, Colts 2, Steelers 3, Seahawks 2, Giants 2. Granted TT did have to rebuild from Sherman, but that didn't take long. So, you can count me as being underwhelmed at this point and wondering what's the problem.

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

 

IMO, with a QB as good as Rodgers, the Packers should be competing for championships as much as the Pats. When you look at the list of SB participants since TT/MM have gotten on board, Pats 4 appearance, Colts 2, Steelers 3, Seahawks 2, Giants 2. Granted TT did have to rebuild from Sherman, but that didn't take long. So, you can count me as being underwhelmed at this point and wondering what's the problem.

Especially when you factor in that division. And then he's lost multiple home playoff games, and totally turtles up last year in Seattle. Guy had a 15-1 team and got blown out at home in 2011.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

IMO, with a QB as good as Rodgers, the Packers should be competing for championships as much as the Pats. When you look at the list of SB participants since TT/MM have gotten on board, Pats 4 appearance, Colts 2, Steelers 3, Seahawks 2, Giants 2. Granted TT did have to rebuild from Sherman, but that didn't take long. So, you can count me as being underwhelmed at this point and wondering what's the problem.

Took long enough, and some of that was Thompson's own doing in dismantling the Oline. But really they were first contenders the year and hey won.

15-1 the next year and lost to the Giants...have had 2 years of Rodgers just coming back from injury in time for the playoffs (or limping in).

 

Now the knock I'd have is loyalty to assistants.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Especially when you factor in that division. And then he's lost multiple home playoff games, and totally turtles up last year in Seattle. Guy had a 15-1 team and got blown out at home in 2011.

The division is 6 games...whining about that as a knock on the guy is laughable.

 

Guy had a lead late in the 4th against a team that was supposed to kill his team...with a qb who could not move well.

 

You don't win as many games as he has by being a bad head coach.

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

The division is 6 games...whining about that as a knock on the guy is laughable.

 

Guy had a lead late in the 4th against a team that was supposed to kill his team...with a qb who could not move well.

 

You don't win as many games as he has by being a bad head coach.

I don't think he's bad, but I feel with a talent like Rodgers they should have done more since 2008. Rodgers is so good, to me it's not even close with the rest of the QB's. Brady is the only one even close.

[Mike Honcho 5,339]

Took long enough, and some of that was Thompson's own doing in dismantling the Oline. But really they were first contenders the year and hey won.

15-1 the next year and lost to the Giants...have had 2 years of Rodgers just coming back from injury in time for the playoffs (or limping in).

 

Now the knock I'd have is loyalty to assistants.

 

Slocum

 

I don't think he's bad, but I feel with a talent like Rodgers they should have done more since 2008. Rodgers is so good, to me it's not even close with the rest of the QB's. Brady is the only one even close.

 

Like I said before, I believe the onus lies a little more with TT and his draft & develop method to team building only. It's kept them near the top, but by avoiding FA/trades he doesn't take advantage of every avenue to better prepare the team. And I'm not the guy screaming, get the every top dollar guy...but it's been clear for 2/3 years AJ Hawk was a below average inside LB---yet does he bring in 1 FA to even compete for the position...nope. And who was that giving up a touchdown on FG attempt against Seattle in the NFC championship game.

 

IMO, MM has done well, but I'm not chiseling out a bust for his HOF induction. Should have beat the Giants, and coaching played a big part in the loss last year. Packers should have been in at least 2 more SB's, but the blame can't be laid all at MM's feet.

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

They did get Peppers. And I can't for the life of me figure out how TE is a black hole for that team.

[TD Ryan2 316]

Halas, Lambeau, Gibbs... they are names I certainly know but I don't really know enough about them to have a strong opinion either way.

Halas and Lambeau are old-timers and Gibbs was the 80's Redskins coach who won a few and also races cars...

 

Was Gibbs that great?

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

Halas, Lambeau, Gibbs... they are names I certainly know but I don't really know enough about them to have a strong opinion either way.

Halas and Lambeau are old-timers and Gibbs was the 80's Redskins coach who won a few and also races cars...

 

Was Gibbs that great?

The big thing about Gibbs was he won all different ways with 3 different QB's. He coached in probably the best division of all time, against 2 HOF coaches. The detraction is he won 2 of his titles during strike years. But yeah, his teams were always sharp and ready to play. Won 3 out of the 4 Super Bowls he went to, with lots of different rosters. Yes, he was great.

[Mike Honcho 5,339]

They did get Peppers. And I can't for the life of me figure out how TE is a black hole for that team.

 

Peppers, like Charles Woodson, were street FA's, IE, they were cut from their previous team while still under contract. When a team signs those guys, they don't count against the compensatory draft system, like when you sign an unrestricted FA. TT hasn't signed a unresticted FA in 5 years, he values those extra 3rd & 4th rounders he gets for losing guys/not signing new guys.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

Peppers, like Charles Woodson, were street FA's, IE, they were cut from their previous team while still under contract. When a team signs those guys, they don't count against the compensatory draft system, like when you sign an unrestricted FA. TT hasn't signed a unresticted FA in 5 years, he values those extra 3rd & 4th rounders he gets for losing guys/not signing new guys.

And how many of those guys are worth the money?

 

Very few actually.

[Brad GLuckman 519]

As a Packer fan, I wonder how good Thompson and McCarthy really are. A great QB can single-handedly make a team playoff caliber every year. Just look at Ken Whisenhunt with and without Kurt Warner. I wonder how many crap coaches stay on because of great QBs and how many good coaches get fired because they're forced to lead a team with guys like Weeden, Manziel, Gabbert, Ponder etc.

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

Hmmmm MCCarthy riding Rodgers coat tails? What say you slow nuff? That's your people saying that.

[Mike Honcho 5,339]

And how many of those guys are worth the money?

 

Very few actually.

 

There wasn't one guy in the previous 4 years who was worth as much as 4M AJ Hawk was getting? How about when they were starting MD Jennings at Safety? For more examples, check out the Pats, they target a few guys to fill holes, that's what TT needs to do, shore up weaknesses. Again, I'm not saying chase after a Suh, JJ Watt, but to think that the roster couldn't be improved with a mid level signing here and there...well I think the results speak for themselves, 1 SB appearance in the 11 years he's been running the team.

[jerryskids 6,954]

I'm gonna' go with more of an "All Time" list and I'll give you 2 lists, one for most overrated, one for most deserving of their accolades.

 

Most Overrated (in random order)

Jerry Glanville

Mike Ditka

Mike Shannahan

Norv Turner

Tony Dungy

Jeff Fisher

John Gruden

Dan Reeves

 

Most Deserving of Accolades (in random order)

Vince Lombardi

Tom Landry

Bill Parcells

John Madden

Bill Belichick

Bill Walsh

Don Shula

Chuck Knoll

Paul Brown

Don Coryell

 

I'm sure it's debatable - lot's of older coaches I don't really know enough about to evaluate and I'm probably missing some off both lists. but these are the ones in my brain now/today.

Agree on Dungy, but didn't Gruden take two different teams to the SB?