Strike 5,594 Posted December 29, 2016 No...Fock you...I have zero inclination to appease you. You were challenged to back up your claims and have deflected to this BS. Not asking you to appease me. As I noted earlier, if you don't disagree with me that the U.S. interferes with elections then there's no need for me to do the research to post supporting data. We'd be in agreement. Therefore, I'd like your assertion that you don't believe the U.S. government interferes with other country's elections before I waste my time. Seems like a very simple and reasonable request. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted December 29, 2016 Classic....but not surprising answer. You just throw out crap and then deflect anytime asks for you to prove anything. Pathetic Classic what? He mad claims about US influencing other elections. When asked to back up his claims he started asking questions and now complains that o didn't answer him first. Please link where I have ever been asked to back up a claim I have made and deflected away from it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclone24 1,914 Posted December 29, 2016 Classic what? He mad claims about US influencing other elections. When asked to back up his claims he started asking questions and now complains that o didn't answer him first. Please link where I have ever been asked to back up a claim I have made and deflected away from it. People have repeatedly mentioned the Israeli elections. Also the russianelections which failed miserably. Are you under some impression the Democrats haven't been doing this for the last eight years? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted December 29, 2016 Conservative Treehouse agaIn drobs? Oof they have been right on everything from Mike Brown to the election ..prove me wrong..they don't need to doctor their news Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,594 Posted December 29, 2016 Classic what? He mad claims about US influencing other elections. When asked to back up his claims he started asking questions and now complains that o didn't answer him first. Please link where I have ever been asked to back up a claim I have made and deflected away from it. You're looking really bad here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted December 29, 2016 The focking dumbocrats rigged their own election and are now crying about fake news unsubstantiated garbage. and they wonder why they're irrelevant and thankfully almost obsolete. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,594 Posted December 29, 2016 Anyone remember when Romney said Russia was our biggest geopolitical foe and Obummer said he was living in the 80's or something like that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted December 29, 2016 People have repeatedly mentioned the Israeli elections. Also the russianelections which failed miserably. Are you under some impression the Democrats haven't been doing this for the last eight years? Ive made no mention of democrats or republicans. Ive simply asked for him to back up his claim. And again..,what we have done may be bad...should we do it? Probably not. Should we just accept when a country like Russia does it to us? Hell no Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted December 29, 2016 they have been right on everything from Mike Brown to the election ..prove me wrong..they don't need to doctor their news I have in the past shown where they were wrong and did doctor their news to fit their agenda. Its a highly biased source and you know it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted December 29, 2016 You're looking really bad here. I don't give a flying fock if you think I look bad for asking you to back up your claims. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclone24 1,914 Posted December 29, 2016 Ive made no mention of democrats or republicans. Ive simply asked for him to back up his claim. And again..,what we have done may be bad...should we do it? Probably not. Should we just accept when a country like Russia does it to us? Hell no Oh yes yes....your usual "I'm not on any side" BS even though you never rip the left, Hillary or dems.....but your on no side...sure. It's an old schtick....we're all pretty aware of your leanings. So probably we shouldn't be doing it...but hell no other countries shouldn't do it to us. Well good news...they didn't. Nobody voted for trump because of Putin. Nobody. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,594 Posted December 29, 2016 I don't give a flying fock if you think I look bad for asking you to back up your claims. 1) If this is a claim I actually need to back up then you're the most ignorant fock on this bored. I bet Worms wouldn't even suggest that the U.S. doesn't engage in this type of behavior. 2) If you want me to back it up simply state that you disagree with me and that the U.S. doesn't engage in this sort of behavior. Otherwise, you're just a focking hypocrite. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted December 29, 2016 Oh yes yes....your usual "I'm not on any side" BS even though you never rip the left, Hillary or dems.....but your on no side...sure. It's an old schtick....we're all pretty aware of your leanings. So probably we shouldn't be doing it...but hell no other countries shouldn't do it to us. Well good news...they didn't. Nobody voted for trump because of Putin. Nobody. No..,my usual..,speaking factually rather than making things up about what was said. Ive ripped Hillary often actually. She is a lying raging ######. How many times must that be said? Its irrelevant that you think nobody did vote for Trump. If they did illegal things to influence our elections we, as a country, must take action and we have. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclone24 1,914 Posted December 29, 2016 No..,my usual..,speaking factually rather than making things up about what was said. Ive ripped Hillary often actually. She is a lying raging ######. How many times must that be said? Its irrelevant that you think nobody did vote for Trump. If they did illegal things to influence our elections we, as a country, must take action and we have. Sure sweetheart...sure. So jack with their elections...then get upset when they supposedly do it to us. Nevermind none of you complained when WE did it, nor would you have complained if it happened to Trump. She lost because the dems got exposed and she had a terrible message....that's all that happened. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted December 29, 2016 Sure sweetheart...sure. So jack with their elections...then get upset when they supposedly do it to us. Nevermind none of you complained when WE did it, nor would you have complained if it happened to Trump. She lost because the dems got exposed and she had a terrible message....that's all that happened. So you have a link that we jacked with Russian elections huh? And yes..,if a foreign government had influenced it to make Hillary won I'd have the same reaction. Its you who keeps bringing her into the damn conversation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
giraldi02 474 Posted December 29, 2016 And again..,what we have done may be bad...should we do it? Probably not. Should we just accept when a country like Russia does it to us? Hell no That's the problem that you're not coming to terms with though. You are saying we (the US) probably shouldn't do this. Then you're saying no other country (particularly Russia) under no circumstances cannot and should not. That's not the way the world works. If one super power is going to influence elections, then all of them are going to. We don't get to be the only ones doing this kind of stuff. As a US citizen I don't accept that. It doesn't mean one is pro-Russia. It doesn't mean one is defending Russia. It means that what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Considering that the United States played a direct role in Boris Yelsin's election during the last Clinton administration, we don't get a free pass. Sorry, but we don't. Does it suck? Sure. But the hypocrisy on full display from Obama and the rest of these "Oh No Russia" rubes is beyond close-minded. It's flat out ignorant. Oh, and here's a few links of just what I'm talking about with the Yeltsin situation coupled with Russia's relationship with the United States during and after Bill Clinton. It's not meant to justify Russia's actions, but if you cannot see that the leadership in this country has directly influenced their hand in global politics then by all means keep on your course. http://www.nytimes.com/1996/04/18/opinion/mr-clinton-and-mr-yeltsin.html https://origin-www.bloombergview.com/articles/2016-03-07/the-u-s-election-s-echoes-of-1996-russia http://www.nytimes.com/1996/07/09/world/moscow-journal-the-americans-who-saved-yeltsin-or-did-they.html http://www.frederickbernas.com/2011/06/clinton-russia.html 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,499 Posted December 29, 2016 Remember when Drumpf outright called on Russia to tamper with the election? http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/07/donald-trump-russia-hack-hillary-clinton-email?intcid=inline_amp Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclone24 1,914 Posted December 29, 2016 Remember when Drumpf outright called on Russia to tamper with the election? http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/07/donald-trump-russia-hack-hillary-clinton-email?intcid=inline_amp Very liberal usage of the word tamper. Did he tamper with giving Hillary Clinton the debate questions? Did they tamper with Hillary winning by millions of votes? Again it's comical how you guys are worried about who exposed democratic bulshit but not the actual items they exposed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
giraldi02 474 Posted December 29, 2016 Remember when Drumpf outright called on Russia to tamper with the election? http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/07/donald-trump-russia-hack-hillary-clinton-email?intcid=inline_amp When did he say to mess with the election? Actually, using the articles verbiage.. When did Trump even say for them to "hack her e-mail server"? He said he hoped for them to find the 30,000 missing e-mails. His words. And guess what, I along with many Americans are still wondering what did happen to those 30,000 emails, the contents of those 30,000 emails, and exactly why those in particular were deleted. Facts are not a bad thing. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted December 29, 2016 That's the problem that you're not coming to terms with though. You are saying we (the US) probably shouldn't do this. Then you're saying no other country (particularly Russia) under no circumstances cannot and should not. That's not the way the world works. If one super power is going to influence elections, then all of them are going to. We don't get to be the only ones doing this kind of stuff. As a US citizen I don't accept that. It doesn't mean one is pro-Russia. It doesn't mean one is defending Russia. It means that what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Considering that the United States played a direct role in Boris Yelsin's election during the last Clinton administration, we don't get a free pass. Sorry, but we don't. Does it suck? Sure. But the hypocrisy on full display from Obama and the rest of these "Oh No Russia" rubes is beyond close-minded. It's flat out ignorant. Oh, and here's a few links of just what I'm talking about with the Yeltsin situation coupled with Russia's relationship with the United States during and after Bill Clinton. It's not meant to justify Russia's actions, but if you cannot see that the leadership in this country has directly influenced their hand in global politics then by all means keep on your course. http://www.nytimes.com/1996/04/18/opinion/mr-clinton-and-mr-yeltsin.html https://origin-www.bloombergview.com/articles/2016-03-07/the-u-s-election-s-echoes-of-1996-russia http://www.nytimes.com/1996/07/09/world/moscow-journal-the-americans-who-saved-yeltsin-or-did-they.html http://www.frederickbernas.com/2011/06/clinton-russia.html You'll get no argument from me about the relationship with Russia since about the end of Bush 1 and thru Clinton and W to Obama. But comparing our involvement with Yeltsin in re election to hacking to try and influence is a pretty weak connection. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,594 Posted December 29, 2016 You'll get no argument from me about the relationship with Russia since about the end of Bush 1 and thru Clinton and W to Obama. But comparing our involvement with Yeltsin in re election to hacking to try and influence is a pretty weak connection. Plenty of other more blatant examples. Just say you don't think we do it......... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,499 Posted December 29, 2016 President elect sad that Russia may be rewarded by the media for digging up emails that can help his electoral chances - meh who cares. We are officially Idiocracy and Drumpf is now President Comacho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,594 Posted December 29, 2016 President elect sad that Russia may be rewarded by the media for digging up emails that can help his electoral chances - meh who cares. We are officially Idiocracy and Drumpf is now President Comacho. He didn't say anything about his election chances. EVERYONE should want to see what was on Hitlery's server to see what she was hiding and whether she exposed national secrets via an insecure, illegal server. This should be a no brainer, much like you libs think sanctioning Russia should be. Bernie should have been saying this stuff during the primaries. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
giraldi02 474 Posted December 29, 2016 He didn't say anything about his election chances. EVERYONE should want to see what was on Hitlery's server to see what she was hiding and whether she exposed national secrets via an insecure, illegal server. This should be a no brainer, much like you libs think sanctioning Russia should be. Bernie should have been saying this stuff during the primaries. What actually pisses me off regarding Trump is the fact that he isn't pursuing this more as well as the fact that it's water under the bridge now. I don't give a damn about the whole "lock her up" BS. But I am still not satisfied knowing that a government official, particularly one at the SOS level, disregarded the rules and got off scot-free. It sets a bad precedent that I fear is going to be duplicated by someone in Trump's cabinet or further down the road. This is particularly true when you see Trump setting up headquarters in New York. The last thing I want is some idiot government official connecting to a less-than-secure Wi-Fi network and making all our information available. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted December 29, 2016 Plenty of other more blatant examples. Just say you don't think we do it......... Then post them or shut the fock up. I mean it's ok that you think it's fine for Russia to do so because it hurt the democrats. Just be honest about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,594 Posted December 29, 2016 What actually pisses me off regarding Trump is the fact that he isn't pursuing this more as well as the fact that it's water under the bridge now. I don't give a damn about the whole "lock her up" BS. But I am still not satisfied knowing that a government official, particularly one at the SOS level, disregarded the rules and got off scot-free. It sets a bad precedent that I fear is going to be duplicated by someone in Trump's cabinet or further down the road. This is particularly true when you see Trump setting up headquarters in New York. The last thing I want is some idiot government official connecting to a less-than-secure Wi-Fi network and making all our information available. IMO if this issue hadn't come up she would have won the election. I think it reminded a lot of voters of all the crap we dealt with for 8 years with Bill in office. And she doesn't have Bill's charisma to overcome that. So I don't think she got off scot free. They had to spend so much time and resources combating this story for almost the entire campaign. This very well may have cost her the election. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,594 Posted December 29, 2016 Then post them or shut the fock up. I mean it's ok that you think it's fine for Russia to do so because it hurt the democrats. Just be honest about it. Just say you don't think we do it.........It's very telling that you won't make one simple statement. And if you won't say that I have to assume we're in agreement that the U.S. influences foreign elections too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,499 Posted December 29, 2016 He didn't say anything about his election chances. EVERYONE should want to see what was on Hitlery's server to see what she was hiding and whether she exposed national secrets via an insecure, illegal server. This should be a no brainer, much like you libs think sanctioning Russia should be. Bernie should have been saying this stuff during the primaries. Why else would Drumpf openly encourage Russia to dig up those emails during a campaign except to help his chances? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted December 29, 2016 I have in the past shown where they were wrong and did doctor their news to fit their agenda. Its a highly biased source and you know it. link ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,594 Posted December 29, 2016 Why else would Drumpf openly encourage Russia to dig up those emails during a campaign except to help his chances? Like millions of Americans he cares about the country and wants to know if she exposed national secrets via an insecure, illegal server running in her basement? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,499 Posted December 30, 2016 Like millions of Americans he cares about the country and wants to know if she exposed national secrets via an insecure, illegal server running in her basement? But doesn't care that Russia reportedly tried to meddle with the outcome of our elections? Trump's concern is as phony as yours. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,594 Posted December 30, 2016 But doesn't care that Russia reportedly tried to meddle with the outcome of our elections? Trump's concern is as phony as yours. Wat? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,499 Posted December 30, 2016 Wat? Short version: You are a laughable hack. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted December 30, 2016 Just say you don't think we do it.........It's very telling that you won't make one simple statement. And if you won't say that I have to assume we're in agreement that the U.S. influences foreign elections too. Whether I think we do or don't is irrelevant to your inability to back up your claims and deflect this issue. Also.,,whether we do or don't is irrelevant to whether Russia did or didn't. You were hesitant to believe they did and drobs apparently still thinks they didn't Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted December 30, 2016 link ? I'll look it up when I'm not on my phones me in Wisconsin...you will make excuses that they are great as you did last time I believe. It's easy to giogle and see their bias and I will when its easier to link. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the s is ilent 69 Posted December 30, 2016 It's obvious that Obama is clusterfocking everything he can before he leaves office. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745 Posted December 30, 2016 Jesus Christ. You guys are focking mental. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbfalcon 825 Posted December 30, 2016 So i am seeing a lot of people seemingly say that since we do it to others, we should accept them doing it to us. If that's a stance one wants to take, I respect it. Gotta have a code and a set of values after all. But the trick is sticking with your stance on the next thing, or when confronted by past things in which your code/values also apply. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted December 30, 2016 So i am seeing a lot of people seemingly say that since we do it to others, we should accept them doing it to us. If that's a stance one wants to take, I respect it. Gotta have a code and a set of values after all. But the trick is sticking with your stance on the next thing, or when confronted by past things in which your code/values also apply. We take and hold other citizens without due process. I guess we are ok when other nations lock up our people without trial now? There are plenty of examples like that that we do not accept. Now b mecause it happened against the democrats and Hillary people are ok with it 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joneo 557 Posted December 30, 2016 U.S. does it all the time. Pretty hypocritical actually. Also hard to believe they're really outraged about this. You know what the better solution is? Secure your focking network and servers. This! Here's another fine idea.....how about not being a focking lying crook and you wouldn't have to worry what your emails said. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites