Obummer sanctions Russia

[mobb_deep 920]

We take and hold other citizens without due process.

I guess we are ok when other nations lock up our people without trial now?

There are plenty of examples like that that we do not accept.

Now b mecause it happened against the democrats and Hillary people are ok with it

And I think that is really the heart of the problem today.

 

People on both sides would put their own personal agenda or narrative ahead of what's best for the country as a whole.

 

The fact that Trump said this is no big deal and to "move on" doesn't give every American great pause is a bit troubling.

[Gepetto 1,375]

https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/article_small/public/thumbnails/image/2016/12/29/16/lameduck.jpg

https://twitter.com/RussianEmbassy

[IGotWorms 4,059]

We got nothing as a country if we can't rally against this kind of thing.

 

And obviously we can't.

 

What would Reagan have thought about this, you focking retards?

 

But no one cares anymore. It's just partisan right vs. left. There is no America anymore. We are done.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,519]

We got nothing as a country if we can't rally against this kind of thing.

 

And obviously we can't.

 

What would Reagan have thought about this, you focking retards?

 

But no one cares anymore. It's just partisan right vs. left. There is no America anymore. We are done.

Sniff sniff

[IGotWorms 4,059]

Sniff sniff

 

Enough of this horsesh1t. Is there nothing sacred in America anymore?

 

It's a rhetorical question -- obviously there isn't.

 

We're done. What power will rise in this "post-truth" era? China is the obvious bet. Maybe Russia, maybe India. Definitely not a western power. It's over.

[Strike 5,618]

 

Enough of this horsesh1t. Is there nothing sacred in America anymore?

 

It's a rhetorical question -- obviously there isn't.

 

We're done. What power will rise in this "post-truth" era? China is the obvious bet. Maybe Russia, maybe India. Definitely not a western power. It's over.

 

So are you with Slo in that the U.S. doesn't engage in this behavior? If not, how do you reconcile the hypocrisy of going after Russia for doing it but engaging in the tactics ourselves?

[Strike 5,618]

So, it turns out Obummer has known about this sh*t for years but only now that Hitlery lost does he feel it warrants a response:

 

http://www.fresnobee.com/news/politics-government/politics-columns-blogs/political-notebook/article123613434.html

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/devin-nunes-russia-cyberattacks-obama-232433

 

You can't make this sh*t up. Obummer is becoming as unglued as Worms/Slo 'Nuff!!!!!

 

[joneo 557]

So, it turns out Obummer has known about this sh*t for years but only now that Hitlery lost does he feel it warrants a response:

 

http://www.fresnobee.com/news/politics-government/politics-columns-blogs/political-notebook/article123613434.html

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/devin-nunes-russia-cyberattacks-obama-232433

 

You can't make this sh*t up. Obummer is becoming as unglued as Worms/Slo 'Nuff!!!!!

 

It's no surprise these Fucktards won't answer your question. All they do is mouth off and deflect. Slo-Nuff is hands down the bored b!tch.

[Sho Nuff 720]

It's no surprise these Fucktards won't answer your question. All they do is mouth off and deflect. Slo-Nuff is hands down the bored b!tch.

Yeah..I was the one deflecting...you idiots actually believe this is what is sad

[cbfalcon 826]

 

So are you with Slo in that the U.S. doesn't engage in this behavior? If not, how do you reconcile the hypocrisy of going after Russia for doing it but engaging in the tactics ourselves?

If the Iraqi army invades and decides to take over your town next week, us Wolverines won't have you. We can't risk being shot in the back by someone that considers us hypocrites for defending our town.

[NewbieJr 541]

Glad Obama laid down the sanctions.you don't have to be a Democrat or liberal to realize it's not a good thing when Russia is tampering with your government's computers.

[drobeski 3,061]

Glad Obama laid down the sanctions.you don't have to be a Democrat or liberal to realize it's not a good thing when Russia is tampering with your government's computers.

still dumb as fock, it wasn't our governments computers

[NewbieJr 541]

still dumb as fock, it wasn't our governments computers

lolol. Still 100% hack. Glad to see things never change. This was an attack on our country. Not just on the Democrats.

[giraldi02 474]

lolol. Still 100% hack. Glad to see things never change. This was an attack on our country. Not just on the Democrats.

Weren't a particular subset of Democrats violating FOIA in the first place?

Shouldn't that information that the big bad Russians "hacked" have been readily available to the voting public via the aforementioned FOIA? (hint: the answer is yes)

 

What people continue to keep ignoring is the fact that if Clinton and the rest of her department had abided by the rules set up by our government in the first place, this information wouldn't have been hacked. We've reached the point where the government gets to do whatever the hell they want and if someone exposes them on it, it's an attack on our country. Whether it's the big bad Russians or Snowden or anyone else. Don't expose Big Brother or else.

 

To a certain extent, I hope a foreign power breaches Trump's cabinet and releases damning information about him or those close to him. The flip-flop from everyone lambasting the Russians is going to be amazing. The other side will then subsequently lose their sh!t and declare war against said country.

 

All the while status-quo for the government acting above the law will remain.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Weren't a particular subset of Democrats violating FOIA in the first place?

Shouldn't that information that the big bad Russians "hacked" have been readily available to the voting public via the aforementioned FOIA? (hint: the answer is yes)

 

What people continue to keep ignoring is the fact that if Clinton and the rest of her department had abided by the rules set up by our government in the first place, this information wouldn't have been hacked. We've reached the point where the government gets to do whatever the hell they want and if someone exposes them on it, it's an attack on our country. Whether it's the big bad Russians or Snowden or anyone else. Don't expose Big Brother or else.

 

To a certain extent, I hope a foreign power breaches Trump's cabinet and releases damning information about him or those close to him. The flip-flop from everyone lambasting the Russians is going to be amazing. The other side will then subsequently lose their sh!t and declare war against said country.

 

All the while status-quo for the government acting above the law will remain.

They didn't hack her SOS stuff...or her emails.

You realize what they got and where they got it..,right?

And that the issue isn't about what they got...but how and why and that a foreign government was doing so and in the eyes of our intel community was doing so to influence our election.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Defending Russia here is just the lowest level of sick partisan crap.

 

A foreign power violated our laws in an attempt to influence our internal democratic process.

 

That's it. Plain and simple.

 

Doesn't matter if the party was wrong in the first place. Doesn't matter if it was a private or public server.

 

Doesn't matter which party was targeted or to help which party win.

 

It comes god damn close to a causus belli.

 

Ignoring it would make America look like a b!tch.

 

Do we do it? Sure. Does that make us hypocrites? Sure. So does half a hundred other things we do.

 

But Christ, be an American first, hate the other side second.

[IGotWorms 4,059]

Defending Russia here is just the lowest level of sick partisan crap.

 

A foreign power violated our laws in an attempt to influence our internal democratic process.

 

That's it. Plain and simple.

 

Doesn't matter if the party was wrong in the first place. Doesn't matter if it was a private or public server.

 

Doesn't matter which party was targeted or to help which party win.

 

It comes god damn close to a causus belli.

 

Ignoring it would make America look like a b!tch.

 

Do we do it? Sure. Does that make us hypocrites? Sure. So does half a hundred other things we do.

 

But Christ, be an American first, hate the other side second.

It is focking disgusting. These creeps make me sick

[giraldi02 474]

I'm still waiting for one shred of actual evidence to be released in an act of transparency that definitively proves that Russia is behind all this.

 

Talking heads telling me "because we agreed" isn't proof. Sorry but it's not.

 

The CIA and other intelligence agencies don't get the benefit of the doubt with me when it comes to something of this magnitude. Their track record when it comes to these things isn't peachy keen.

I'd reference WMD's, Bin Laden's assassination attempt in 1999, Bay of Pigs, Gitmo, etc...but we all know that doesn't matter.

 

And we all know why after all....

 

[cyclone24 1,914]

Hey...the Democrats said this would be the most transparent administration ever.....just needed russia to help them.

 

Shouldnt you libs be thanking them for helping you with that?

 

[drobeski 3,061]

Leak does not equal hack

 

 

HTH

[drobeski 3,061]

lolol. Still 100% hack. Glad to see things never change. This was an attack on our country. Not just on the Democrats.

100% hacks would make the ridiculous clueless claim that our government or the voting was hacked.

[Baker Boy 1,704]

Wow. Some of you guys just don't get it.

It's a FOREIGN (and hostile) government.

"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly. But the traitor moves among those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not traitor, he speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their garments, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared." - Cicero, 42 B.C.

[Strike 5,618]

ROFLMAO at libs getting their panties in a bunch because someone, ANYONE, released truthful information. God forbid we vote based on actually knowing the truth!!!!! We must only have the information that is spoon fed to us by those running for election.

 

[cyclone24 1,914]

ROFLMAO at libs getting their panties in a bunch because someone, ANYONE, released truthful information. God forbid we vote based on actually knowing the truth!!!!! We must only have the information that is spoon fed to us by those running for election.

 

Exaxtly. They act like they jacked up voting machines.

 

They showed who the left really was and their honest conversations and opinions about actual Americans. Fock em. I absolutely love this happened and how on tilt the left is over getting exposed

[drobeski 3,061]

Exaxtly. They act like they jacked up voting machines.

 

They showed who the left really was and their honest conversations and opinions about actual Americans. Fock em. I absolutely love this happened and how on tilt the left is over getting exposed

it's wonderful

[NewbieJr 541]

100% hacks would make the ridiculous clueless claim that our government or the voting was hacked.

Trump puts his childish ego ahead of the country's security. And his moronic followers get right in line. Pretty sad state of affairs when people put partisan politics ahead of their country.

[crackattack 520]

 

So are you with Slo in that the U.S. doesn't engage in this behavior? If not, how do you reconcile the hypocrisy of going after Russia for doing it but engaging in the tactics ourselves?

I bet America influences/meddles/regime changes/hacks more governments then any other country on earth. Now, that's just a guess, but I feel confident with it. It would be interesting to know the stats on that.

 

I believe Russia should be penalized for being caught hacking us, but I also agree we shouldn't be focking with other countries unless they are an immediate threat to us or our allies. Democrats got exposed. I would say the same thing if it was reversed. I'm a fan of the truth. I'm actually embarrassed we had to get hacked from a foreign government to get it.

 

Also, had hillary been following the law, none of this would be an issue. She deserves 100% of the blame here. No illegal server, no Russian hack of her illegal server. The outrage and blame should fall on her and the DNC first, then the Russian hack.

[Strike 5,618]

https://www.rt.com/usa/372219-larry-king-mcafee-cybersecurity/

 

[crackattack 520]

https://www.rt.com/usa/372219-larry-king-mcafee-cybersecurity/

 

He might know his stuff, but isn't he also batshitt crazy?

 

Eta: and a murderer??

[Strike 5,618]

He might know his stuff, but isn't he also batshitt crazy?

 

Oh yeah without a doubt. I'm not trusting the vague representations being made by our government re: "proof". If they can prove Russia did it they should put it out there. Libs take everything our gov't says at face value but with how politicized EVERYTHING is I don't.

[MDC 7,523]

 

Oh yeah without a doubt. I'm not trusting the vague representations being made by our government re: "proof". If they can prove Russia did it they should put it out there. Libs take everything our gov't says at face value but with how politicized EVERYTHING is I don't.

If there is evidence that Russia was hacking emails and selectively releasing info to affect the outcome of our elections would that be a problem?

 

I ask because I think you guys are simultaneously arguing that 1) it may my be true and 2) it doesn't matter if it is. Covering all the bases.

 

If I gave a fock about Hillary I would have voted for her. I don't think it okay to just accept foreign governments doing free opp research on behalf of their preferred US candidate though. And of this were say Iran or Brazil acting on behalf of a democrat I am pretty sure Trump and his voters would be singing a different tune.

[IGotWorms 4,059]

If there is evidence that Russia was hacking emails and selectively releasing info to affect the outcome of our elections would that be a problem?

 

I ask because I think you guys are simultaneously arguing that 1) it may my be true and 2) it doesn't matter if it is. Covering all the bases.

 

If I gave a fock about Hillary I would have voted for her. I don't think it okay to just accept foreign governments doing free opp research on behalf of their preferred US candidate though. And of this were say Iran or Brazil acting on behalf of a democrat I am pretty sure Trump and his voters would be singing a different tune.

It's just pathetic how this is a partisan issue to them. Goes to show that nothing is sacred anymore

[giraldi02 474]

If there is evidence that Russia was hacking emails and selectively releasing info to affect the outcome of our elections would that be a problem?

 

I ask because I think you guys are simultaneously arguing that 1) it may my be true and 2) it doesn't matter if it is. Covering all the bases.

 

If I gave a fock about Hillary I would have voted for her. I don't think it okay to just accept foreign governments doing free opp research on behalf of their preferred US candidate though. And of this were say Iran or Brazil acting on behalf of a democrat I am pretty sure Trump and his voters would be singing a different tune.

 

If there is definitive evidence that the government of Russia was behind the purported attacks on the DNC, Clinton's e-mail server, offered the phishing link to Podesta, etc...fock 'em. Impose sanctions up their wazoo till the end of time. Punish them.

 

But there still isn't proof outside of hearsay and "trust us we're in charge" rhetoric. This is THE EXACT same situation we ran into with Saddam and Iraq. I just don't understand why so many people are willing to believe any thing the government says to them

 

Jeffrey Carr succinctly summarizes my main point of contention with this entire situation:

 

https://medium.com/@jeffreycarr/fbi-dhs-joint-analysis-report-a-fatally-flawed-effort-b6a98fafe2fa#.r3dnpiz7s

 

If the White House had unclassified evidence that tied officials in the Russian government to the DNC attack, they would have presented it by now. The fact that they didn’t means either that the evidence doesn’t exist or that it is classified.

If it’s classified, an independent commission should review it because this entire assignment of blame against the Russian government is looking more and more like a domestic political operation run by the White House that relied heavily on questionable intelligence generated by a for-profit cybersecurity firm with a vested interest in selling “attribution-as-a-service”.

 

[IGotWorms 4,059]

 

If there is definitive evidence that the government of Russia was behind the purported attacks on the DNC, Clinton's e-mail server, offered the phishing link to Podesta, etc...fock 'em. Impose sanctions up their wazoo till the end of time. Punish them.

 

But there still isn't proof outside of hearsay and "trust us we're in charge" rhetoric. This is THE EXACT same situation we ran into with Saddam and Iraq. I just don't understand why so many people are willing to believe any thing the government says to them

 

Jeffrey Carr succinctly summarizes my main point of contention with this entire situation:

 

https://medium.com/@jeffreycarr/fbi-dhs-joint-analysis-report-a-fatally-flawed-effort-b6a98fafe2fa#.r3dnpiz7s

 

We're not invading Russia, you dolt.

 

This Iraq thing is such a ridiculous red herring. You focktards will parrot ANYTHING trump says no matter how preposterous.

[giraldi02 474]

We're not invading Russia, you dolt.

 

This Iraq thing is such a ridiculous red herring. You focktards will parrot ANYTHING trump says no matter how preposterous.

 

When did I say we're invading Russia?

 

The CIA was ADAMANT that weapons of mass destruction existed. They're ADAMANT that the Russians "hacked the election".

 

They were wrong then. What exactly have they provided in any form of evidence that proves they're correct now?

[Baker Boy 1,704]

http://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=462611&hl=cold

[cbfalcon 826]

"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly. But the traitor moves among those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not traitor, he speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their garments, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared." - Cicero, 42 B.C.

 

While I also think it's sickening that so many here are supporting Russia over the United States of America, the First Amendment gives them that right. Therefore, calling it treason is a very hyperbolic.

[IGotWorms 4,059]

 

When did I say we're invading Russia?

 

The CIA was ADAMANT that weapons of mass destruction existed. They're ADAMANT that the Russians "hacked the election".

 

They were wrong then. What exactly have they provided in any form of evidence that proves they're correct now?

It's a completely different scenario you dummy. If you're invading a country then yes, you damn well better be right. If all you're doing is kicking out a handful of spooks then the standard is a little lower.

 

We'll hear about some of the evidence in time but you're a complete focking idiot if you think US intelligence is going to reveal all of its sources, methods and capabilities.

[cbfalcon 826]

 

Oh yeah without a doubt. I'm not trusting the vague representations being made by our government re: "proof". If they can prove Russia did it they should put it out there. with how politicized EVERYTHING is I don't.

 

I always thought it was the opposite. Conservatives are pro-government military types that believe we need to fall in line. Libs are hippies that smoke dope and don't trust the man. I get confused quite often though.

[Strike 5,618]

If there is evidence that Russia was hacking emails and selectively releasing info to affect the outcome of our elections would that be a problem?

 

I ask because I think you guys are simultaneously arguing that 1) it may my be true and 2) it doesn't matter if it is. Covering all the bases.

 

If I gave a fock about Hillary I would have voted for her. I don't think it okay to just accept foreign governments doing free opp research on behalf of their preferred US candidate though. And of this were say Iran or Brazil acting on behalf of a democrat I am pretty sure Trump and his voters would be singing a different tune.

 

1) I don't really care who exposed this information. It was good information and created a more informed electorate. I would hope that everyone would agree that a more informed electorate is better for the country than a lesser informed electorate. So the notion that this somehow hurts our election process is puzzling to me.

 

2) (1) being said, if we have proof that Russia did this and want to sanction them I really don't care. I think it's stupid. We interfere with other country's elections all the freaking time. We have no moral ground to stand on in this instance. Personally, I EXPECT other country's to pull sh*t. It's what they do. It's what we do. BFD. And I don't believe we have proof that would hold up in any court that they are behind this. But if it makes you and the other libs happy that we're "doing something" then by all means sanction Russia and piss off another country.

 

3) I find the timing of this very curious. As I posted last night congress has been asking Obummer to act on Russian hacking for years. But NOW it's a problem? It just seems like Obummer is going out of his way to make life difficult for Trump as a parting FU. The Israel sh*t was total bullsh*t. Now this? He also increased federal regulations by a record 12% in one month last month. People think Trump is a petulant child but Obummer is sure as hell acting like one.