Obummer sanctions Russia

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While I also think it's sickening that so many here are supporting Russia over the United States of America, the First Amendment gives them that right. Therefore, calling it treason is a very hyperbolic.

 

I don't think anyone is "supporting Russia over the United States of America".

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Exaxtly. They act like they jacked up voting machines.

 

They showed who the left really was and their honest conversations and opinions about actual Americans. Fock em. I absolutely love this happened and how on tilt the left is over getting exposed

Who mentioned voting machines?

The tilt continues to be you hacks making excuses for Russia and making things up that people aren't actually saying.

 

Hell...some of you still don't even think it was Russia.

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The leaks were published by wikileaks. They know the truth. What do they have to say?

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I bet America influences/meddles/regime changes/hacks more governments then any other country on earth. Now, that's just a guess, but I feel confident with it. It would be interesting to know the stats on that.

 

I believe Russia should be penalized for being caught hacking us, but I also agree we shouldn't be focking with other countries unless they are an immediate threat to us or our allies. Democrats got exposed. I would say the same thing if it was reversed. I'm a fan of the truth. I'm actually embarrassed we had to get hacked from a foreign government to get it.

 

Also, had hillary been following the law, none of this would be an issue. She deserves 100% of the blame here. No illegal server, no Russian hack of her illegal server. The outrage and blame should fall on her and the DNC first, then the Russian hack.

Link to them hacking her illegal server?

You do realize that isn't what this about right?

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Exaxtly. They act like they jacked up voting machines.

 

They showed who the left really was and their honest conversations and opinions about actual Americans. Fock em. I absolutely love this happened and how on tilt the left is over getting exposed

 

So you'll be cool with it if some third party illegally hacks the GOP and tries to use their internal communications against them, right? Not that there would be anything to see. I mean it's not like they had an ugly primary and some major party divisions or anything, it was probably all "kumbaya" behind the scenes there.

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You have to love the disclaimer at the end of the report from the DHS and FBI: "the DHS does not provide any warranties of any kind regarding any information contained within". So this is all based on a report that the issuers of that report won't stand behind. And wikileaks says the Russians did not provide them with the info from the hacked e-mails that they published. The left might want to slow their roll. The guy you're following is on a tremendous losing streak and he's on his way out the door.

[Sho Nuff 720]

https://www.rt.com/usa/372219-larry-king-mcafee-cybersecurity/

 

You quoted a crazy guy in an article on Russia Today?

That's your refutation of the entire US intel community?

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You quoted a crazy guy in an article on Russia Today?

That's your refutation of the entire IS into community?

 

I'm not refuting anything. I'm just throwing information out there as McAfee is one of the most respected security researchers in history. His opinion counts. Much like not caring that Russia MAY have released DNC documents, I want the information out there. And the notion that the "entire IS community" (not really sure what you wrote. Looks like you were drunk or something) believes Russia did it is laughable.

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I'm not refuting anything. I'm just throwing information out there as McAfee is one of the most respected security researchers in history. His opinion counts. Much like not caring that Russia MAY have released DNC documents, I want the information out there. And the notion that the "entire IS community" (not really sure what you wrote. Looks like you were drunk or something) believes Russia did it is laughable.

The entire US intel community has basically said it was Russia. And your article comes from a publication pretty much run by the Russian government.

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The entire US intel community has basically said it was Russia. And your article comes from a publication pretty much run by the Russian government.

Why the disclaimer at the end of the DHS report?

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The entire US intel community has basically said it was Russia. And your article comes from a publication pretty much run by the Russian government.

 

It was an interview with Larry Focking King. Has he now defected to Russia?

 

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Larry King is a Russian spy!

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1) I don't really care who exposed this information. It was good information and created a more informed electorate. I would hope that everyone would agree that a more informed electorate is better for the country than a lesser informed electorate. So the notion that this somehow hurts our election process is puzzling to me.

 

2) (1) being said, if we have proof that Russia did this and want to sanction them I really don't care. I think it's stupid. We interfere with other country's elections all the freaking time. We have no moral ground to stand on in this instance. Personally, I EXPECT other country's to pull sh*t. It's what they do. It's what we do. BFD. And I don't believe we have proof that would hold up in any court that they are behind this. But if it makes you and the other libs happy that we're "doing something" then by all means sanction Russia and piss off another country.

 

3) I find the timing of this very curious. As I posted last night congress has been asking Obummer to act on Russian hacking for years. But NOW it's a problem? It just seems like Obummer is going out of his way to make life difficult for Trump as a parting FU. The Israel sh*t was total bullsh*t. Now this? He also increased federal regulations by a record 12% in one month last month. People think Trump is a petulant child but Obummer is sure as hell acting like one.

1. I think the info is good. I'm not okay with a foreign country essentially acting as an agent of a US candidate and providing opp research for him / her. To me that's a real slippery slope.

 

2. I don't think it's okay for us to interfere in other elections or for foreign countries to interfere in ours. Sounds like you're making the type of hate America apologist argument that GOP types are always complaining about. If we are so bad why don't you move to Russia?

 

3. Obummer Tourette's.

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2. I don't think it's okay for us to interfere in other elections or for foreign countries to interfere in ours. Sounds like you're making the type of hate America apologist argument that GOP types are always complaining about. If we are so bad why don't you move to Russia?

 

 

 

I'm not making any kind of hate America argument. I just don't think we should be hypocrites. Everyone other than Worms and Sho Nuff know we do this stuff ourselves. I find it highly hypocritical that we are getting all huffy about another country engaging in the same types of tactics we engage in ourselves. What do you think about part of the retaliation being that Obummer is instructing our intelligence agencies to start hacking the Russian government? That seems like it's just going to escalate this type of behavior.

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I'm not making any kind of hate America argument. I just don't think we should be hypocrites. Everyone other than Worms and Sho Nuff know we do this stuff ourselves. I find it highly hypocritical that we are getting all huffy about another country engaging in the same types of tactics we engage in ourselves. What do you think about part of the retaliation being that Obummer is instructing our intelligence agencies to start hacking the Russian government? That seems like it's just going to escalate this type of behavior.

Sure we all do it: That doesn't mean it's okay. Odd too that a Republican would start comparing our actions to a despotic regime. Sounds a lot like the kind of moral equivalency you types like to whine about.

 

I don't give a fock all about Obummer. Think you can get through the next couple weeks?

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Sure we all do it: That doesn't mean it's okay. Odd too that a Republican would start comparing our actions to a despotic regime. Sounds a lot like the kind of moral equivalency you types like to whine about.

 

I don't give a fock all about Obummer. Think you can get through the next couple weeks?

 

Which Republican are you talking about?

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I'm actually responding to this post without jokes because what you say here is sensible and not as partisan. We are all Americans after all. For the sake of this post, I'm assuming we have solid proof and Russia is guilty, yada, etc.

 

 

1) I don't really care who exposed this information. It was good information and created a more informed electorate. I would hope that everyone would agree that a more informed electorate is better for the country than a lesser informed electorate. So the notion that this somehow hurts our election process is puzzling to me.

 

On the RESULT, I 100% agree. Us getting more information is always a great result. Everyone should agree. More information is always a good result, and it helps our election process.

 

But a good end result doesn't mean we should approve or turn a blind eye to any action taken in order to achieve that result. Maybe I really wanted Tonya Harding to win the 1994 US Figuring Skating Championship. And I got what I wanted. But that doesn't mean I have to be ok with her hiring dudes to take pipes to horse face's knee. Silly analogy, but hopefully you get my point.

 

2) (1) being said, if we have proof that Russia did this and want to sanction them I really don't care. I think it's stupid. We interfere with other country's elections all the freaking time. We have no moral ground to stand on in this instance. Personally, I EXPECT other country's to pull sh*t. It's what they do. It's what we do. BFD. And I don't believe we have proof that would hold up in any court that they are behind this. But if it makes you and the other libs happy that we're "doing something" then by all means sanction Russia and piss off another country.

 

I agree with parts of this. Yes, I am anti-trump, but I'm not all that worked up emotionally about this because A: I want us to have as much info as possible, and B: I don't really think they released any info that had any true affect.

 

That being said, I feel we have to punish Russia and punish them harshly for precedent setting purposes. People need to ignore who it helped and how accurate the info was, and instead focus on the action they took. Because if we let this go, then next time they may do it and it may hurt the other side. And the time after, they may only release the thing that makes politician look evil, but delete the next sentence in which the misunderstanding was cleared up....And the next time after that they may selectively cut and paste different parts of emails in order to create their own narrative of something. Then the next time after that, they may just gather info, fill in some blanks themselves that could in theory make sense, and create their own story all together that keeps someone from being elected. And in all of these cases, there could be half of our country saying "All they did is exposed the truth. The more knowledge the better. I'm all for it."

 

As for moral ground and hypocrisy, I agree. We do it all the time and I expect it to be done to us. In truth, from a gameplay standpoint, I'm impressed with Putin and what he did here. Applause. It's kind of fun having someone step up and play these games with us. It's like the start of a prank war, except i know it's another smart adult I'm going to battle with as opposed to my 11 year old nephew.....That being said, and this is part of being an arrogant American that considers our country to be the big diick on the block, as Americans we justify our actions in the world because we are on the side of good. I'm not being blind and saying this is 100% truth, but it's been built into American DNA to believe that our actions taken throughout the world are taken in the name of peace, freedom, etc. And therefore, anyone against us- Al Qaeda, ISIS, Russia (obviously on a different scale)- is working against the side of good. i.e. they are the bad guys........Now I'm not a black and white guy. I believe in shades of gray everywhere. But if we officially adopt the attitude of "We focked with them so we deserve what we get", then we are essentially abandoning the moral high ground that allows us to justify so many things we do in this world in the name of making it a better place.

 

 

 

3) I find the timing of this very curious. As I posted last night congress has been asking Obummer to act on Russian hacking for years. But NOW it's a problem? It just seems like Obummer is going out of his way to make life difficult for Trump as a parting FU. The Israel sh*t was total bullsh*t. Now this? He also increased federal regulations by a record 12% in one month last month. People think Trump is a petulant child but Obummer is sure as hell acting like one.

 

Obama should have went after Russia the first time he ever heard of them meddling in our elections. And his doing so after a Democratic loss admittedly makes it hard for those that find Obama dishonorable to believe that his concerns are genuine.

 

My opinion is this. Had Russians hacked us and tried influencing the election away from Clinton and towards a Bush/Cruz/Rubio type, this wouldn't be a story. It would be something the government cared about but would be content working on behind the scenes........But the fear here is Trump. He may or may not have a personal relationship with Putin depending on when you ask. He may or may not owe lots of money to Russia. His daughter may have vacationed with Putin's daughter recently. His son may have hotel deals worked out with Russian government types. The Russians may have compromised Trump because of something that happened on a business trip a few years back. His campaign may or may not have actually been being fed info from Russia during the campaign....Do I believe all that? No. I'm intelligent enough to know how the media works and how salaciousness is what sales.............But thinking in terms of Obama's timing, I think he felt the need to handcuff Trump in terms of what he can and cannot do with Russia. I don't think he would have felt that same need with Cruz or Rubio. And I don't think it comes from a selfish desire to fock Trump over. I think our government has genuine concerns where Russia is concerned and fears the long term ramifications of Donald Trump giving Russia carte blanche to do as it pleases, so to speak.

 

We will hopefully know more over the next 3 weeks if our government releases more evidence/info on what Russia did here. But lets all be honest. No matter how firm or flimsy the evidence ends up being, if it isn't released before January 20th, do any of us believe it would ever be released? And half the reason people are ok with the hack is in the name of Americans having all the info, so to not want this info in regards to what Russia did would be doing a 180 on that stance.

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I don't think anyone is "supporting Russia over the United States of America".

You are

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You are

 

Not at all. My stance has nothing to do with Russia. But I get that your thought processes are way to simplistic to understand that.

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Not at all. My stance has nothing to do with Russia. But I get that your thought processes are way to simplistic to understand that.

Russia meddled in a US election.

 

But it helped Trump, so you support it.

 

Erego you support Russia over the US, at least when it benefits Trump.

 

Maybe it's time to take a look in the mirror, do a little soul-searching

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1) I don't really care who exposed this information. It was good information and created a more informed electorate. I would hope that everyone would agree that a more informed electorate is better for the country than a lesser informed electorate. So the notion that this somehow hurts our election process is puzzling to me.

 

 

This is silly. In democratic politics everything is relative. Having complete access to behind the scenes information on one side but not on the other is not a remotely level playing field for trying to make those comparisons. If we had had more information on BOTH sides that might have been a good thing, but when all the stolen dirty laundry is only from one side it just skews the whole process. And this was along with Trump deviating from what has become SOP on things like sharing his tax returns. So you have one side holding back on what we normally get to see, and the other side having info being released that would normally be considered confidential, and this helps our democratic process because voters are "more informed"? Please.

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This is silly. In democratic politics everything is relative. Having complete access to behind the scenes information on one side but not on the other is not a remotely level playing field for trying to make those comparisons. If we had had more information on BOTH sides that might have been a good thing, but when all the stolen dirty laundry is only from one side it just skews the whole process. And this was along with Trump deviating from what has become SOP on things like sharing his tax returns. So you have one side holding back on what we normally get to see, and the other side having info being released that would normally be considered confidential, and this helps our democratic process because voters are "more informed"? Please.

 

Voters are more informed than if this information had not been released. That's not disputable. I'd love it if everything from both sides was released. I read somewhere that the Russians tried to hack the GOP as well but weren't successful. Don't know if it's true. But regardless, we can only get what's out there. But there's no doubt we were more informed than if this information had not come out.

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Russia meddled in a US election.

 

But it helped Trump, so you support it.

 

Erego you support Russia over the US, at least when it benefits Trump.

 

Maybe it's time to take a look in the mirror, do a little soul-searching

 

Your logic failed on line 2. Of course, no one has ever accused you of actually being logical. Way to confirm this.

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Your logic failed on line 2. Of course, no one has ever accused you of actually being logical. Way to confirm this.

No I think it's quite clear to everyone except yourself, apparently

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No I think it's quite clear to everyone except yourself, apparently

link ?

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This is silly. In democratic politics everything is relative. Having complete access to behind the scenes information on one side but not on the other is not a remotely level playing field for trying to make those comparisons. If we had had more information on BOTH sides that might have been a good thing, but when all the stolen dirty laundry is only from one side it just skews the whole process. And this was along with Trump deviating from what has become SOP on things like sharing his tax returns. So you have one side holding back on what we normally get to see, and the other side having info being released that would normally be considered confidential, and this helps our democratic process because voters are "more informed"? Please.

There's a lot to unravel to this but at the end of the day it's pretty freaking simple.

 

Is more information good? Yes.

 

Is it still good when it's obtained through improper means, i.e. hacking? That's debatable.

 

Is it still good when it was obtained through hacking by a hostile, foreign government, which did so for the purpose of influencing US election results? Absolutely not. No question about it.

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Russia meddled in a US election.

 

But it helped Trump, so you support it.

 

Erego you support Russia over the US, at least when it benefits Trump.

 

Maybe it's time to take a look in the mirror, do a little soul-searching

Nailed it.

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Nailed it.

 

Why would I give a fock about Trump? Didn't vote for him. Didn't/don't support him. Unlike Worms, the card carrying Dem who follows Hitlery around like a lapdog.

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Why would I give a fock about Trump? Didn't vote for him. Didn't/don't support him. Unlike Worms, the card carrying Dem who follows Hitlery around like a lapdog.

 

You're losing all credibility here.

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You're losing all credibility here.

 

By being consistent? ROFLMAO. Ok, Mr Hitlery.

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Why would I give a fock about Trump? Didn't vote for him. Didn't/don't support him. Unlike Worms, the card carrying Dem who follows Hitlery around like a lapdog.

You actually sit here saying you don't care if a foreign country meddles in our elections because you're a Republican.

 

At least you're smart enough to be ashamed of the assclown in chief.

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You actually sit here saying you don't care if a foreign country meddles in our elections because you're a Republican.

 

At least you're smart enough to be ashamed of the assclown in chief.

 

I don't characterize it as "meddling in our elections". And I'm not a Republican.

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I don't characterize it as "meddling in our elections". And I'm not a Republican.

You don't characterize computer hacking and selectively distributing info with the intent of helping one candidate over another as "meddling." I can't even start.

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Ok, Mr Hitlery.

Not helping yourself

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You don't characterize computer hacking and selectively distributing info with the intent of helping one candidate over another as "meddling." I can't even start.

 

Even if we assume that we actually have proof that they are behind the hacking, which hasn't been shown yet, we sure as hell don't have any proof of what their motive was.

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Not helping yourself

 

You're the one who voted for the witch. I voted for neither. You're part of the problem.

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Even if we assume that we actually have proof that they are behind the hacking, which hasn't been shown yet, we sure as hell don't have any proof of what their motive was.

they do have proof. That's why we imposed sanctions.

I do agree that there is no proof it impacted the election results. In fact, I wish Obama would just come out and say that he doesn't think it impacted the election. Then maybe Trump and his cronies can stop pretending that this wasn't the Russians. Right now, Trump is letting his ego get in front of his ability to run this country and make the right decisions.

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Just out of curiosity libs, where was the outrage when China was influencing our elections? I guess that was ok since it was designed to help the Dems. You guys could at least show some consistency.

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Even if we assume that we actually have proof that they are behind the hacking, which hasn't been shown yet, we sure as hell don't have any proof of what their motive was.

Ah back to the "We don't know it happened ... and even if it did it wouldn't matter!" argument.

 

You already said you don't care where it's true or what the motive was, Trumptard.

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Ah back to the "We don't know it happened ... and even if it did it wouldn't matter!" argument.

 

You already said you don't care where it's true or what the motive was, Trumptard.

 

Wat?