No Muslim Refugee has ever committed an act of terror in the U.S.

[MDC 7,887]

So, because they got caught it was worth risking American lives. The lives of families who did nothing wrong. The lives of people like you (just an example, no disrespect intended) who defend our refugee programs. Those are risks I just see as unnecessary. You and your families lives mean more to me, then a refugee from across the world. I guess that's where we differ.

I just don't see it as a risk: There have been no fatal terrorist attacks by refugees here, so our vetting process and law enforcement are working. I see Trump's policy as riskier to Americans in the long game.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Ive severely underestimated you shonuff. Ive regrettably called you the cal ripken aka the Iron Horse of dumb. I was mistaken.

In the annals or anals of dumb....there will be a picture of muhammed ali holding up a photo of Michael Jordan....but in THAT picture of MJ...he will be holding up a picture of you.

You...are the GOAT of dumb.

 

Thats the best youve got? Make up that people say...get called out on it multiple times...then call the other person dumb?

 

You are seriously focked in the skull man.

That uninformed poll needs to have you on top...because you simply have no clue and Im not even sure how well you can read.

[Strike 6,023]

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/al-qaeda-kentucky-us-dozens-terrorists-country-refugees/story?id=20931131

[MDC 7,887]

I have

I don't blame you..I can imagine

You looked pretty much how I imagine too.

[drobeski 3,061]

By the way snuffles you schooled nobody but yourself..newbs clearly stated that Trump's actions will create thousands of radicals.

 

Fact dumbo

[crackattack 520]

So now we listen to security experts. I can't keep up. Those experts said isis will and has infiltrate our refugee programs. Meh. Those same security experts say this eo will "possibly" make us less safe. WE'RE DOOMED!@$@!!#@! CANCEL THE BAN!##@!!@ WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE@#$@@!@#

 

 

One of those was fact. One is opinion. You guys decide which is which.

[Strike 6,023]

 

Nice quotes and links...none of which refute what I posted.

 

You're really not very bright, are you?

[Sho Nuff 720]

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/al-qaeda-kentucky-us-dozens-terrorists-country-refugees/story?id=20931131

 

Which prompted Obama to act...restrict new visa applications til they could check into things...had advice from DHS and counter terrorism experts in our country and abroad...had advice and counsel from the NSC and devised a plan.

Trump shunned such people and created a ban and rushed it through without really thinking of any ramifications.

[drobeski 3,061]

 

You're really not very bright, are you?

a bag of rocks can outwit that kid

[Sho Nuff 720]

By the way snuffles you schooled nobody but yourself..newbs clearly stated that Trump's actions will create thousands of radicals.

 

Fact dumbo

 

Dumbo...the claim being refuted was that people were saying (like cyclone as well) that it would create radicals among these refugees.

Again...not what Newbie actually said...dumbass.

[cyclone24 1,935]

By the way snuffles you schooled nobody but yourself..newbs clearly stated that Trump's actions will create thousands of radicals.

 

Fact dumbo

I mentioned that. Despite his claim that I couldn't read.

 

Newbie did say that. Others have too

[crackattack 520]

I just don't see it as a risk: There have been no fatal terrorist attacks by refugees here, so our vetting process and law enforcement are working. I see Trump's policy as riskier to Americans in the long game.

But what you're saying is essentially we need a refugee to kill people before it's a risk. Plotting and attempting, but getting caught, is not a risk.

[drobeski 3,061]

 

Dumbo...the claim being refuted was that people were saying (like cyclone as well) that it would create radicals among these refugees.

Again...not what Newbie actually said...dumbass.

he did not specifyx therefore logically factually they must be included. Who else would be talking about ?

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

You're really not very bright, are you?

Yes...Im bright enough to see I should just stop now...because Im trying to argue with several brick walls of stupid...who are so hell bent stuck in their ways to defend any and all Trump does no matter what.

Despite links upon links of people telling them they are wrong.

 

Your link is about them possibly trying to infiltrate with the refugees. Nobody here is denying that possiblity. My links did not do so.

Nothing you posted and did so in a reply to my post with links...refutes what I stated or what my links stated.

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Which prompted Obama to act...restrict new visa applications til they could check into things...had advice from DHS and counter terrorism experts in our country and abroad...had advice and counsel from the NSC and devised a plan.

Trump shunned such people and created a ban and rushed it through without really thinking of any ramifications.

 

 

 

Which prompted Obama to act...restrict new visa applications til they could check into things...had advice from DHS and counter terrorism experts in our country and abroad...had advice and counsel from the NSC and devised a plan.

Trump shunned such people and created a ban and rushed it through without really thinking of any ramifications.

 

As a result of the Kentucky case, the State Department stopped processing Iraq refugees for six months in 2011, federal officials told ABC News – even for many who had heroically helped U.S. forces as interpreters and intelligence assets. One Iraqi who had aided American troops was assassinated before his refugee application could be processed, because of the immigration delays, two U.S. officials said.

 

Where was your outrage then? Oh right, it's ok if Obummer did it. Just not Trump.

[drobeski 3,061]

I mentioned that. Despite his claim that I couldn't read.

 

Newbie did say that. Others have too

he's confused as to who can/cannot read. Specifically with himself.

[cyclone24 1,935]

 

Dumbo...the claim being refuted was that people were saying (like cyclone as well) that it would create radicals among these refugees.

Again...not what Newbie actually said...dumbass.

Oh my god GOAT... you are seriously arguing that just the refugees won't become terrorists? As opposed to other Muslims that just won't like it? That's seriously your argument?

 

Wow.

[drobeski 3,061]

Oh my god GOAT... you are seriously arguing that just the refugees won't become terrorists? As opposed to other Muslims that just won't like it? That's seriously your argument?

 

Wow.

funny stuff

[Sho Nuff 720]

In the US...but not abroad towards Americans or American interest. How's it working out for Germany btw?

 

Shonuff..... by opposing the ban you are effectively saying there is no threat. By constantly claiming there have been zero Refugee attacks you are effectively claiming there is no threat.

 

Therefore following it up with they will become terrorists because of this action it makes your point very very stupid.

 

Make sense slappy?

 

 

I mentioned that. Despite his claim that I couldn't read.

 

Newbie did say that. Others have too

 

Bolded for you...newbie's post...and others have said that this could trigger people into radicalization. You (and drobeski and others) are claiming that people are saying it will make these refugees into terrorists. Which is not what any of us are actually saying.

 

But you are all still to focking slow to see that. It has been told to you by me and others multiple times...and you still don't get it.

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Yes...Im bright enough to see I should just stop now...because Im trying to argue with several brick walls of stupid...who are so hell bent stuck in their ways to defend any and all Trump does no matter what.

Despite links upon links of people telling them they are wrong.

 

Your link is about them possibly trying to infiltrate with the refugees. Nobody here is denying that possiblity. My links did not do so.

Nothing you posted and did so in a reply to my post with links...refutes what I stated or what my links stated.

 

Where did I say it refuted anything you said, or that that was even my goal? Maybe I was just trying to offer you insight in to WHY the "other side" might be ok with this 90 day pause despite the fact that there haven't been any documented terrorist attacks by refugees in this country. We know we've caught refugees who WANTED to attack us. The fact that they hadn't yet shouldn't change the fact that they were here and going to attack us.

 

Talk about being stuck in his ways and unwilling to consider other points of view.

[Sho Nuff 720]

he did not specifyx therefore logically factually they must be included. Who else would be talking about ?

People in those countries...people here.

Again...the people who have said that this could create terrorists (myself included) have told you over and over we are not talking about these refugees trying to get here just deciding then to be terrorists.

But you still claim otherwise.

ARe you all really that focking stupid? Its hard to argue otherwise given your history of stupid.

[crackattack 520]

Oh my god GOAT... you are seriously arguing that just the refugees won't become terrorists? As opposed to other Muslims that just won't like it? That's seriously your argument?

 

Wow.

It is. They're saying a temporary travel ban, like what Obama did with Iraq, will drive thousands of peace loving, moderate Muslims to kill innocent people. Make them give up their peaceful way of living and join groups like isis.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

 

 

 

Where was your outrage then? Oh right, it's ok if Obummer did it. Just not Trump.

 

Obama stopped processing new applications for a period of time.

Trump stopped that...plus stopped anyone who had already been processed...plus green card holders...and others.

Did so without consulting DHS, DOJ (don't give me the OLC review for language as evidence he consulted with them), or State.

Did so to people in the air...already here...people about to get on focking planes.

Have detained people without legal counsel.

I could go on and on about the differences...but you all won't ever get it.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Oh my god GOAT... you are seriously arguing that just the refugees won't become terrorists? As opposed to other Muslims that just won't like it? That's seriously your argument?

 

Wow.

My argument is you all need to read what people have actually said about it...including the experts rather than projecting BS out there despite being told you are wrong mutliple times.

 

Im seriously arguing that people here are not saying..."hey, we should take these refugees and visa holders in because they pose no threat...but this ban will trigger them." Despite some of you continuing to claim that is what we are saying.

 

But you all are still too focking slow to figure that out...despite people telling you that over and over.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

Where did I say it refuted anything you said, or that that was even my goal? Maybe I was just trying to offer you insight in to WHY the "other side" might be ok with this 90 day pause despite the fact that there haven't been any documented terrorist attacks by refugees in this country. We know we've caught refugees who WANTED to attack us. The fact that they hadn't yet shouldn't change the fact that they were here and going to attack us.

 

Talk about being stuck in his ways and unwilling to consider other points of view.

Why then reply to my post...with a post like that...rather than just reply to the thread as a whole?

Usually...when someone replies to someone else's post...its to comment on it...disagree or agree with it.

 

I consider those points of view...just disagree with how presented and I apologize that I jumped to that conclusion.

[Sho Nuff 720]

It is. They're saying a temporary travel ban, like what Obama did with Iraq, will drive thousands of peace loving, moderate Muslims to kill innocent people. Make them give up their peaceful way of living and join groups like isis.

You should google again and read the differences between the temporary halting of new visa applications from Iraq...to what Trump just did in his EO.

They are not nearly the same.

[vuduchile 1,947]

 

Little Johnny might not be the most insane desperate guy either.

Give him something to be pissed about and who knows what sets him off.

The Tsaranevs were not always just brutal killers either...or the Orlando Shooter.

But something snaps and they turn to radicalization. Experts believe this type of thing could do just that.

We can't walk on egg shells around every marginal lunatic in the world.

 

We just need to go about our business of making our country a better place.

 

Whether that business slants left or right, it's bound to pi$$ somebody off.

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Obama stopped processing new applications for a period of time.

Trump stopped that...plus stopped anyone who had already been processed...plus green card holders...and others.

Did so without consulting DHS, DOJ (don't give me the OLC review for language as evidence he consulted with them), or State.

Did so to people in the air...already here...people about to get on focking planes.

Have detained people without legal counsel.

I could go on and on about the differences...but you all won't ever get it.

 

Yes, the orders are not exactly the same. My question to you is about the interpreters and others who were helping us in Iraq that were then refused entry. And at least one died because of it. That's one of the "outrages" about Trump's order. That interpreters and other people who are helping us are being denied. Why weren't you outraged when Obummer did it?

 

And re: Trump's order - it was modified very quickly to allow people who were legally entitled to be here to come. So let's quit it about him denying people with green cards entry. That's just talking point fear mongering.

[Sho Nuff 720]

We can't walk on egg shells around every marginal lunatic in the world.

 

We just need to go about our business of making our country a better place.

 

Whether that business slants left or right, it's bound to pi$$ somebody off.

 

I agree...we can't. Which is why this executive order is dumb the way it was written and implemented.

[MDC 7,887]

But what you're saying is essentially we need a refugee to kill people before it's a risk. Plotting and attempting, but getting caught, is not a risk.

Okay, I shouldn't say there's no risk. I should say it's an infinitely small risk and outweighed by the greater risks of blowback that I already mentioned.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

Yes, the orders are not exactly the same. My question to you is about the interpreters and others who were helping us in Iraq that were then refused entry. And at least one died because of it. That's one of the "outrages" about Trump's order. That interpreters and other people who are helping us are being denied. Why weren't you outraged when Obummer did it?

 

And re: Trump's order - it was modified very quickly to allow people who were legally entitled to be here to come. So let's quit it about him denying people with green cards entry. That's just talking point fear mongering.

 

They are not even close to the same.

Anyone who died because of it was wrong...I don't recall the right even talking about that until now to use it as "well, Obummer did it".

If Trump had done simply what Obama did and halted new applications and refugees temporarily...after consulting all the key people...Id have much less of an issue. I may not agree with it...but I don't think there would be the protests and lawsuits that have followed. But he didn't do that.

 

It was modified after a temporary restraining order (and other court orders...some of which are still being ignored by officials in airports). It was modified some for green card holders (id have to look if one of the recent law suits was a bout a green card or just legal visa)...but not people with legal visas to be coming here.

People are still being detained without legal representation.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

According to your article a "handful" we're refugees and not one of them pulled off an attack.

Clown

[wiffleball 4,797]

If we knew definitively that banning refugees would save 100 people then sure. Since we've had roughly zero instances of refugees committing acts of terror in the US I'm guessing our own national security experts would tell you te policy does more harm than good. That's leaving aside the fact that high-risk places like Saidi Arabia and Pakistan are on the list.

 

...And seeing as how I've posted the comments of some of those experts, anybody who wants to be educated, can be.

But, anybody who wants to keep banging on the same false narrative and simple-minded mantras, well, they can feel

free to keep ignoring the posts in this very thread.

[MDC 7,887]

Clown

Great point.

[crackattack 520]

Okay, I shouldn't say there's no risk. I should say it's an infinitely small risk and outweighed by the greater risks of blowback that I already mentioned.

Fair enough. I just disagree with you about the risk part. I see getting in, being able to plot and attempt a terroristic plan as a big, unnecessary risk.

[Strike 6,023]

 

They are not even close to the same.

Anyone who died because of it was wrong...I don't recall the right even talking about that until now to use it as "well, Obummer did it".

If Trump had done simply what Obama did and halted new applications and refugees temporarily...after consulting all the key people...Id have much less of an issue. I may not agree with it...but I don't think there would be the protests and lawsuits that have followed. But he didn't do that.

 

It was modified after a temporary restraining order (and other court orders...some of which are still being ignored by officials in airports). It was modified some for green card holders (id have to look if one of the recent law suits was a bout a green card or just legal visa)...but not people with legal visas to be coming here.

People are still being detained without legal representation.

 

Probably because they felt it made sense, just like they feel the current order makes sense.

[MDC 7,887]

Fair enough. I just disagree with you about the risk part. I see getting in, being able to plot and attempt a terroristic plan as a big, unnecessary risk.

You can never 100% mitigate risk but I am assuming the people who get in after a year's-long vetting process are being observed to some extent after that so my assumption is a very low % are hostile to America and of those a very low % are in a position to act on any plans, which is why we've had no successful attacks.

 

And like I keep saying the fact that major sponsors of terror like Egypt and Afghanistan are not on this list reveal the ban for the grandstanding stunt it is.

 

Anyway you've been polite so thanks for that.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

So our LE amd Intel agencies are doing a great job sniffing out these terrorist plots in the homeland. Let's make things even more interesting for them and bring in some more potential Islamic terrorists to worry about. I'm sure they would love the added workload.

[crackattack 520]

You can never 100% mitigate risk but I am assuming the people who get in after a year's-long vetting process are being observed to some extent after that so my assumption is a very low % are hostile to America and of those a very low % are in a position to act on any plans, which is why we've had no successful attacks.

 

And like I keep saying the fact that major sponsors of terror like Egypt and Afghanistan are not on this list reveal the ban for the grandstanding stunt it is.

 

Anyway you've been polite so thanks for that.

The countries exclude from the list make zero sense. I agree. Same to you

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

FBI, CIA and NIS heads go in front of congress and say they can't vet the refugees properly. Obama does nothing. Trump decides to do something and he's the bad guy? Whether you like the way Trump has gone about it or not, it's way better than the nothing we were getting.