No Muslim Refugee has ever committed an act of terror in the U.S.

[cyclone24 1,935]

LOL I love the fact that Trumptards are trying to deflect and blame this on Obama. Last I checked, Trump is the one imposing the ban, not Obama. And Trump can add and subtract any countries at any time. 15 of the 17 terrorists involved in 9/11 are from Saudi Arabia, yet Trump decides to leave them off the list. Business conflict? lol

My God enroll in the class with him. Nobody is blaming Obama to deflect from Trump. Folks like yourself are saying he's picking this list because of business conflicts.

 

Lets try this...

 

List...obamas

List...not trumps

[NewbieJr 541]

My God enroll in the class with him. Nobody is blaming Obama to deflect from Trump. Folks like yourself are saying he's picking this list because of business conflicts.

 

Lets try this...

 

List...obamas

List...not trumps

Show me the law that says Trump needs to use a list created by the former President before imposing a Muslim ban. I'll wait

[cyclone24 1,935]

Show me the law that says Trump needs to use a list created by the former President before imposing a Muslim ban. I'll wait

I'm not expecting a lot from you here so I'm trying to give you a pass but don't be dumb.

Again for the third time reading comprehension. There is no law for Trump. There was no law for Obama. But you were chastising him and accusing him of conflicts with his business when all he's doing is using the same list Obama had.

 

You guys really need to Pace your fake outrage

[NewbieJr 541]

I'm not expecting a lot from you here so I'm trying to give you a pass but don't be dumb.

Again for the third time reading comprehension. There is no law for Trump. There was no law for Obama. But you were chastising him and accusing him of conflicts with his business when all he's doing is using the same list Obama had.

 

You guys really need to Pace your fake outrage

And what did Obama do with that list?

[Sho Nuff 720]

Jesus will you go to a community college in your town and find a 100 level reading comprehension class? Will you do that for me?

I clearly said you are all bashing Trump for this ban list. To the point where you guys are accusing him of only choosing countries he has no business ties with. The list is not trumps. It's Obamas but you want to blame Trump for the list. Again reading comprehension.

Hell I will pay for the class for you just so I don't have to repeat what I say at a kid level

 

I comprehended your post just fine and my point about your lack of logic about what was being talked about stands and is quite factually based.

 

I am bashing Trump for the EO...not just the list.

Its not "Obama's" list. It was a list agreed upon by consulting DOJ, State, DHS...in a bill passed by Congress. A bill that did not come close to the restrictions that Trump imposed by EO (without consulting DOJ, State, DHS, or Congress).

He chose the 7 countries for his EO...he did so with the list from the old Bill so he could pass it off on Obama. He could have added to it...and it may just be a coincidence that none of his businesses are in the other countries...do you think he would expand to other countries though where he has business ties? Not likely.

 

I blame Trump for the EO...and he did chose the list to include in the order. Putting Trump's stupidity on Obama is typical of idiots like you.

[Sho Nuff 720]

My God enroll in the class with him. Nobody is blaming Obama to deflect from Trump. Folks like yourself are saying he's picking this list because of business conflicts.

 

Lets try this...

 

List...obamas

List...not trumps

Your statements are factually incorrect.

You most certainly are trying to deflect (as did Trump).

[cyclone24 1,935]

 

I comprehended your post just fine and my point about your lack of logic about what was being talked about stands and is quite factually based.

 

I am bashing Trump for the EO...not just the list.

Its not "Obama's" list. It was a list agreed upon by consulting DOJ, State, DHS...in a bill passed by Congress. A bill that did not come close to the restrictions that Trump imposed by EO (without consulting DOJ, State, DHS, or Congress).

He chose the 7 countries for his EO...he did so with the list from the old Bill so he could pass it off on Obama. He could have added to it...and it may just be a coincidence that none of his businesses are in the other countries...do you think he would expand to other countries though where he has business ties? Not likely.

 

I blame Trump for the EO...and he did chose the list to include in the order. Putting Trump's stupidity on Obama is typical of idiots like you.

Not really. You're giving your opinion that he could just blame Obama for the list and you're still trying to tie it into business conflicts. Those are not facts. Sorry.

[cyclone24 1,935]

Your statements are factually incorrect.

You most certainly are trying to deflect (as did Trump).

Please list for me the different countries from the two lists....oh they are the same?

Then im factually correct.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Not really. You're giving your opinion that he could just blame Obama for the list and you're still trying to tie it into business conflicts. Those are not facts. Sorry.

 

My point is he could add to the list...the list in the EO is his...blame Obama for the list in the previous Bill...no problem with that.

Its my opinion that he won't add countries to the list where he has business ties...I agree, that is not a fact nor do I present it to be fact. IT is a fact he could have added to the list or could in the future.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Please list for me the different countries from the two lists....oh they are the same?

Then im factually correct.

 

Please link to me where Obama prepared the list.

Please link to me where Trump was no able to form his own list or opinion rather than being forced by Obama to use the terms from the previous bill?

[cyclone24 1,935]

 

My point is he could add to the list...the list in the EO is his...blame Obama for the list in the previous Bill...no problem with that.

Its my opinion that he won't add countries to the list where he has business ties...I agree, that is not a fact nor do I present it to be fact. IT is a fact he could have added to the list or could in the future.

And thats fair. I can see that both ways.

[vuduchile 1,947]

Holy crap.

 

Take a walk around the block or something people.

[jerryskids 7,085]

Honest question: why wasn't Saudi Arabia on Obama's list?

[wiffleball 4,797]

One, this is why I keep exhorting you people to learn how to f****** read. Read buford's earlier post. This is not Obama's list. Actually it was a republican congresswoman who introduced legislation on the back end of a must pass omnibus Spending bill. But that's beside the point. Even if Obama had come up with the list of seven countries? Some guy looks over another guy's shoulder And steals all the answers off his test And the answers end up being wrong? It's not the fault of the guy Who wrote the answers down originally,its The fault of the guy who copied them. Remember when Trump was going to drain the swamp and rip everything out then start from scratch? Yeah, so do I.

 

There is so much information and Analysis out there, But the same people want to hang on for the talking points that Rush Limbaugh Or fox or whomever give them They hold on to them desperately Like a drowning man on to the life preserver.

 

It is pretty obvious that they do not want to be educated.

[NewbieJr 541]

Holy crap.

 

Take a walk around the block or something people.

That's a good way to get killed! Lots of angry, homegrown Muslims.

[NewbieJr 541]

Honest question: why wasn't Saudi Arabia on Obama's list?

Same reason they aren't on Trump's, I suppose

[crackattack 520]

Honest question: why wasn't Saudi Arabia on Obama's list?

Because they are considered an important ally in the middle east with lots of oil . They probably didn't want to upset the Saudi Royals. Just a guess.

[cyclone24 1,935]

One, this is why I keep exhorting you people to learn how to f****** read. Read buford's earlier post. This is not Obama's list. Actually it was a republican congresswoman who introduced legislation on the back end of a must pass omnibus Spending bill. But that's beside the point. Even if Obama had come up with the list of seven countries? Some guy looks over another guy's shoulder And steals all the answers off his test And the answers end up being wrong? It's not the fault of the guy Who wrote the answers down originally,its The fault of the guy who copied them. Remember when Trump was going to drain the swamp and rip everything out then start from scratch? Yeah, so do I.

 

There is so much information and Analysis out there, But the same people want to hang on for the talking points that Rush Limbaugh Or fox or whomever give them They hold on to them desperately Like a drowning man on to the life preserver.

 

It is pretty obvious that they do not want to be educated.

Rip him for not draining the swamp....rip him when he wants a temporary ban to evaluate a program to possibly start from scratch. Just say youre going to biitch either way....at least i could take you seriously...and not hear the usual how enlightened you are or fox news very original barbs.

Nice rant though brah

[cbfalcon 827]

And once again John Kasich has the proper thoughts on this....

 

 

A more thoughtful and proper approach would have had an Executive Order that stated something to the effect:

 

A 90 day moratorium of Refugees from ISIS hotbed countries goes into effect immediately until my National Security Team has a chance to fully audit the immigration policies currently in place. US Citizens and US Visa and Green Card holders are not effected at this time.

 

At that point you can see if there are any "rubber stamps" or holes in the vetting process and even add layers if needed. Most people would understand that.

 

I simply don't like this shoot first ask questions method of governance.

 

Kasich is reasonable, and I suspect a good man. I'd rather someone say that we need to review and examine the vetting process to determine if it needs to be changed, as opposed to simply declaring we need to strengthen a vetting process that looks pretty good to me...but I get that there is a Republican vs Democrat game to play and it will be played even if to the detriment of our country. With that in mind, glad to see Kasich speak out in a reasonable manner.

[cbfalcon 827]

If I make a list of 7 guys that need to be punched in the face...And you go and shoot those same 7 guys in the back of the head...

 

It's quite possible, and even likely, that my list was correct and your list was incorrect.

 

Justsayin

[wiffleball 4,797]

Rip him for not draining the swamp....rip him when he wants a temporary ban to evaluate a program to possibly start from scratch. Just say youre going to biitch either way....at least i could take you seriously...and not hear the usual how enlightened you are or fox news very original barbs.

Nice rant though brah

Yeah, I think I'll take the approach of the intelligent Reasonable people Who say this implementation was a complete and utter shitshow. It beats the hell out of the knee-jerk defend Trump no matter what he does approach.

[jerryskids 7,085]

Same reason they aren't on Trump's, I suppose

So you are mad at Trump for maintaining some diplomacy?

[cyclone24 1,935]

Yeah, I think I'll take the approach of the intelligent Reasonable people Who say this implementation was a complete and utter shitshow. It beats the hell out of the knee-jerk defend Trump no matter what he does approach.

Not really. I dont call the absolute urination down your liberal legs and the freak outs we are seeing over a TEMPORARY ban of a handful of previously agreed countries to reevaluate the process..."reasonable" or "intelligent".

 

Actually id say the opposite.

[NewbieJr 541]

So you are mad at Trump for maintaining some diplomacy?

As far as I can remember, Obama didn't use the list to ban everyone (except Christians) from those countries.

[jerryskids 7,085]

As far as I can remember, Obama didn't use the list to ban everyone (except Christians) from those countries.

Non-responsive. You are saying he should have included our allies in the list? Banned more people?

[MDC 7,887]

So you are mad at Trump for maintaining some diplomacy?

Trump says refugees / immigrants / legal visa and green card holders are such a threat to the US that they need to be barred from entering for our own safety.

 

Then he makes exceptions for high risk countries that we are doing business with. You can imagine why people are confused about the message here.

 

Obunmer is no longer in charge - President Golden Showers is.

[NewbieJr 541]

Non-responsive. You are saying he should have included our allies in the list? Banned more people?

I'm saying that Trump has totally disregarded all of the previous administration's intelligence regarding Russia and the hacks, because it looks bad for him, but when he needs a convenient cover-his-ass-against-criticism, he is more than willing to go blindly off of Obama's list. Trump is the President. The list includes the exact countries he wants to include. Otherwise, he could have made changes.

[jerryskids 7,085]

Trump says refugees / immigrants / legal visa and green card holders are such a threat to the US that they need to be barred from entering for our own safety.

 

Then he makes exceptions for high risk countries that we are doing business with. You can imagine why people are confused about the message here.

 

Obunmer is no longer in charge - President Golden Showers is.

Is it unreasonable to start with ano existing list if you are in your first week in office, then add/subtract from there as you learn more?

[MDC 7,887]

Is it unreasonable to start with ano existing list if you are in your first week in office, then add/subtract from there as you learn more?

If the threat of immigrants and green card / visa holders is so great that you need to ram this through immediately with no warning for some people who were affected, you can expand your list to include the countries that were actually home to the 9/11 attackers. Making a list is not that fvcking hard.

 

This is assuming though that the goal was to keep us safe rather than a grandstanding stunt.

[crackattack 520]

So. Isis says they will use the refugee program and asylum seekers to infiltrate and attack hosting countries, which they have. FBI, NSA, Homeland security, CIA all say we can't properly vet refugees. These are facts.

 

A list of countries were deemed terrorist hot beds/training camps etc by Congress. It was then attached to a bill and then approved by Obama. Correct so far?

 

Trump then used list made by Congress and approved by Obama to place temporary travel restrictions on said terrorist hot spots. Right?

 

So, Trump is following/using the testimony of the FBI, NSA etc that vetting needs improved/can't be done properly. He's using ISIS own words of wanting to use refugee/asylum programs to attack hosting countries. So, countries graciously taking in refugees are still at risk of attack, yet a ban will really piss of Muslim radicals. Seems odd. Seems like radical terrorists are pissed off no matter what??

 

Yet Trump is the anti-christ. Up is down and down is up.

[bostonlager 2,678]

Do you think Islam is just a religion, or is it also a political ideology?

 

It is a political ideology disguised as a religion and not compatible with Western values.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Because they are considered an important ally in the middle east with lots of oil . They probably didn't want to upset the Saudi Royals. Just a guess.

Yup

[NewbieJr 541]

So. Isis says they will use the refugee program and asylum seekers to infiltrate and attack hosting countries, which they have. FBI, NSA, Homeland security, CIA all say we can't properly vet refugees. These are facts.

 

A list of countries were deemed terrorist hot beds/training camps etc by Congress. It was then attached to a bill and then approved by Obama. Correct so far?

 

Trump then used list made by Congress and approved by Obama to place temporary travel restrictions on said terrorist hot spots. Right?

 

So, Trump is following/using the testimony of the FBI, NSA etc that vetting needs improved/can't be done properly. He's using ISIS own words of wanting to use refugee/asylum programs to attack hosting countries. So, countries graciously taking in refugees are still at risk of attack, yet a ban will really piss of Muslim radicals. Seems odd. Seems like radical terrorists are pissed off no matter what??

 

Yet Trump is the anti-christ. Up is down and down is up.

Islam radicals are already pissed off. That's correct. But denying Talal's brother or sister from joining him in Sacramento is liable to turn him into another US-hating radical. Trump took the bait. ISIS wants to pit the entire Muslim religion against the West. He's not making the radicals any angrier, but he's creating thousand and thousands of new radicals.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,543]

Islam radicals are already pissed off. That's correct. But denying Talal's brother or sister from joining him in Sacramento is liable to turn him into another US-hating radical. Trump took the bait. ISIS wants to pit the entire Muslim religion against the West. He's not making the radicals any angrier, but he's creating thousand and thousands of new radicals.

 

oh no thousands and thousands

 

guess how many Americans hes making happy with this

 

I bet it starts with millions and millions

[wiffleball 4,797]

So. Isis says they will use the refugee program and asylum seekers to infiltrate and attack hosting countries, which they have. FBI, NSA, Homeland security, CIA all say we can't properly vet refugees. These are facts.

 

A So, trump is following/using the testimony of the FBI, NSA etc that vetting needs improved/can't be done properly. He's using ISIS onting to use refugee/asylum programs to attack hosting countries. So, countries graciously taking in refugees are still at risk of attack, yet a ban will really piss of Muslim radicals. Seems odd. Seems like radical terrorists are pissed off no matter what??

 

Yet Trump is the anti-christ. Up is down and down is up.

Could you provide some proof for that first paragraph please?

[cbfalcon 827]

Non-responsive. You are saying he should have included our allies in the list? Banned more people?

 

I'm against the ban obviously.....

 

But if there is going to be a ban designed to prevent Muslim Extremists from entering our country, then the list should be of all nations that have a decent number of Muslim Extremists that may want to enter our country....That's the criteria. Done.

 

Allies and business interests? I obviously get being against a ban, as it violates our principles. And I get being in favor of banning the people that want to kill us, as it saves lives.....But someone needs to explain why they would support the goal of only banning some of the people that want to kill us and letting the other people that want to kill us in.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

oh no thousands and thousands

 

guess how many Americans hes making happy with this

 

I bet it starts with millions and millions

Who cares how many Trumpettes there are? They won't be happy when a few of those thousands of new radicals decides to blow up a school bus or shoot up a crowded mall and they lose a loved one. Be ready for Trumpocalypse.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

Could you provide some proof for that first paragraph please?

Common knowledge. Stop being a dik.

[NewbieJr 541]

Common knowledge. Stop being a dik.

That's a no.

[wiffleball 4,797]

That's a no.

Shocked I tells ya! Shocked!