BobSanders_33 127 Posted March 14, 2017 Video from St Patrick's Day shows Zeke pulling down a woman's shirt and exposing her breast. The woman quickly slaps away Zeke's hand. The NFL had been trying to pop him. Even without charges a clear case can be made for sexual assualt. I'm saying minimum of 2 games but likely 4. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kilroy69 1,000 Posted March 14, 2017 He was not charged. If he gets even a single game that is BS. The NFL is not a moral judge of character nor should it be. If I were him I would say its not me and you are all racist focks for saying I look like any other black man. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted March 14, 2017 If she doesn't file any charges I don't see how Goodell has any case against Zeke. He does seem brazen enough to believe he can get away with whatever he wants. So a suspension in the future is a definite possibility. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Nice 40 Posted March 14, 2017 Video from St Patrick's Day shows Zeke pulling down a woman's shirt and exposing her breast. The woman quickly slaps away Zeke's hand. The NFL had been trying to pop him. Even without charges a clear case can be made for sexual assualt. I'm saying minimum of 2 games but likely 4. Oh stop it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kopy 493 Posted March 14, 2017 He was not charged. If he gets even a single game that is BS. The NFL is not a moral judge of character nor should it be. If I were him I would say its not me and you are all racist focks for saying I look like any other black man. Can you imagine the squirming Goodell would do if Zeke ever said what "you think all black people look alike"That would be awesome. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oriole8159 86 Posted March 14, 2017 There's definitely precedent here with Roethlisberger's suspension, in which he was suspended even though he was never arrested or charged. I wouldn't put it past Goodell to think he could suspend Elliott just the same for his case. Roethlisberger never challenged his case though in court (probably didn't want details coming out??) so perhaps Zeke would be more inclined, especially considering most of the details of this plus his previous violent incident are already public. He doesn't have much to lose by challenging, and Goodell has lost some court cases when he overstepped his reach. Will be interesting to see. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,469 Posted March 14, 2017 Will of this happen last March before he was in the NFL can they still suspend him? I think this is more of a legal issue that took place before he was drafted. And if not does this also mean that the NFL can also suspend J Mixon for is role in knocking out a woman? That also took place before he was drafted in the NFL. I mean does the NFL have that much power in the legal system to do that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cousinal111 57 Posted March 14, 2017 Will of this happen last March before he was in the NFL can they still suspend him? I think this is more of a legal issue that took place before he was drafted. And if not does this also mean that the NFL can also suspend J Mixon for is role in knocking out a woman? That also took place before he was drafted in the NFL. I mean does the NFL have that much power in the legal system to do that? Tyreek Hill should've been suspended before the start of last year then. http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/12019791/oklahoma-state-running-back-tyreek-hill-arrested-domestic-abuse-strangulation Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,469 Posted March 14, 2017 Yeah I don't see how they can suspend any of them if it happen before they where employed by an NFL team right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oriole8159 86 Posted March 14, 2017 Yeah I don't see how they can suspend any of them if it happen before they where employed by an NFL team right? yeah the only thing you could do is pursue this under Goodell's discretion, when he probably wouldn't pursue if it was anyone with a clean record. so essentially a de facto way of punishing him, so you can at least say you did something. maybe they can only get him for 2 games though as this incident on it's own is pretty benign. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Djgb13 2,338 Posted March 14, 2017 How long until the girl tries to go for Zekes money? With the video it doesn't matter how long she waits she can always go after him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaxjag 43 Posted March 15, 2017 I think someone should buy Zeke a beer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TD Ryan2 314 Posted March 15, 2017 yeah the only thing you could do is pursue this under Goodell's discretion, when he probably wouldn't pursue if it was anyone with a clean record. so essentially a de facto way of punishing him, so you can at least say you did something. maybe they can only get him for 2 games though as this incident on it's own is pretty benign. Article 46, "Integrity of the Game" aka Goodell's discretion is very broad and gives him complete and independent authority to judge and punish any member of the players' union as he sees fit. Meaning, legally and according to the CBA as defined by the US Supreme Court, Goodell can do whatever he wants to Zeke... 1 game, 6 games, 1 season, or no punishment at all and it is all fair and legal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,469 Posted March 15, 2017 Even if it took place before they where apart of the Union? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kilroy69 1,000 Posted March 15, 2017 Article 46, "Integrity of the Game" aka Goodell's discretion is very broad and gives him complete and independent authority to judge and punish any member of the players' union as he sees fit. Meaning, legally and according to the CBA as defined by the US Supreme Court, Goodell can do whatever he wants to Zeke... 1 game, 6 games, 1 season, or no punishment at all and it is all fair and legal. He should enjoy that power. It will not be there after the next CBA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cousinal111 57 Posted March 15, 2017 Wasn't Terrelle Pryor suspended his first 4 games of his rookie year for the whole tattoo thing at Ohio State? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TD Ryan2 314 Posted March 15, 2017 He should enjoy that power. It will not be there after the next CBA. it's going to be a big deal during the next CBA... probably the players #1 thing they want changed and it's gonna' cost them b/c the NFL isn't giving it up easily... they have complete authority/discretion/power over their union workforce... I really believe it will be big enough to shut down the NFL. And for Goodel's sake, he's better off if the absolutely-fockin-hammers Zeke... from a PR standpoint (violence vs. women) and from a "zero tolerance" standpoint. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
polecatt 404 Posted March 15, 2017 Zeke is a freaking idiot but I don't know that he has done anything that warrants a suspension. If the domestic violence case turns out to be true, ok, do what the policy states. Suspend him for however long. As we know it now it doesn't look like there is much weight to the story. Stuff like this drunken incident and going to the weed shop put out a terrible PR image but unless this young lady says she has a problem with this latest incident, there is technically nothing he really did that warrants any discipline IMO. The NFL itself had a very similar half time show if I do remember correctly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TD Ryan2 314 Posted March 15, 2017 Integrity of the Shield /thread Maybe the NFL does nothing... but either way, it's completely up to Goodel to decide. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
polecatt 404 Posted March 15, 2017 Integrity of the Shield /thread Maybe the NFL does nothing... but either way, it's completely up to Goodel to decide. The reason I think Goodell is between a rock and a hard place to suspend him because of that is if he does there could possibly be a backlash of people saying he suspended him because of that and not the policy on domestic violence. This would technically fall under that I believe. Then pertaining to the policy would be a 6 game suspension instead of a 1 or 2 game suspension under the integrity of the shield rule. With Goodell though, who the hell knows. Zeke has put himself in a real pickle here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TD Ryan2 314 Posted March 15, 2017 With Goodell though, who the hell knows. Zeke has put himself in a real pickle here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillygrrl08 139 Posted March 15, 2017 Please. No suspension. Lift her shirt, grab her by the pu$$y, whatever. He's a celebrity and can get away with it. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oriole8159 86 Posted March 16, 2017 Article 46, "Integrity of the Game" aka Goodell's discretion is very broad and gives him complete and independent authority to judge and punish any member of the players' union as he sees fit. Meaning, legally and according to the CBA as defined by the US Supreme Court, Goodell can do whatever he wants to Zeke... 1 game, 6 games, 1 season, or no punishment at all and it is all fair and legal. you're wrong there. he's regularly had instances overturned in court when they determined he overstepped. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marshall 98 Posted March 16, 2017 you're wrong there. he's regularly had instances overturned in court when they determined he overstepped. ...except for that whole Deflategate thang. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oriole8159 86 Posted March 16, 2017 ...except for that whole Deflategate thang. Bountygate: all Saints suspensions were overturned Dashon Goldson, 2013, one game suspension for helmet to helmet hit reduced to $100k fine Brandon Meriwether, 2013 two game suspension for helmet to helmet hit reduced to 1 game Ray Rice's indefinite suspension was overturned and he was reinstated Adrian Peterson's indefinite suspension was overturned and he was reinstated Ndamukong Suh, 2014 was supposed to be suspended for playoff game, but was appealed down to $70k fine. your move. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marshall 98 Posted March 16, 2017 Heh. My move? What I said was ...except for that whole Deflategate thang. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oriole8159 86 Posted March 16, 2017 Heh. My move? What I said was you listed one thing, I listed 6 counters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marshall 98 Posted March 16, 2017 you listed one thing, I listed 6 counters. Great googley moogley! I listed one exception. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralphster 274 Posted March 16, 2017 anyway.... I can see Zeke getting a game or two if the girl decides she wants to pursue money... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oriole8159 86 Posted March 16, 2017 Great googley moogley! I listed one exception. the guy I was originally responded through wrote this in response to my original statement... Article 46, "Integrity of the Game" aka Goodell's discretion is very broad and gives him complete and independent authority to judge and punish any member of the players' union as he sees fit. Meaning, legally and according to the CBA as defined by the US Supreme Court, Goodell can do whatever he wants to Zeke... 1 game, 6 games, 1 season, or no punishment at all and it is all fair and legal. the fact that he took the time to try and throw out articles, name drop the Supreme Court, and then say that he thought Goodell can do whatever he wants to Zeke while not taking the time to research that Goodell's discretionary disciplinary actions have many times been overturned/reduced, bugged me. I don't lose academic arguments, so when he tried to come at me like that, it's my nature to push back just as hard. Especially when I know I'm right. I didn't realize that you were a different person chiming in, so again I pushed back. I apologize for not catching that you weren't the original responder though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaxjag 43 Posted March 18, 2017 anyway.... I can see Zeke getting a game or two if the girl decides she wants to pursue money... Not sure about this... found this gem after a little research: From the "Official NFL Guide on Player Conduct, Chapter II, Section 3, Paragraph 18, Line 2"... "Players shall not be penalized for exposing a woman's breast(s) when said woman is effectively begging for it. This applies, but is not limited, to Spring Break, Mardi Gras, St. Patrick's Day and All Hallows Eve celebrations" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites