Cloaca du jour 2,083 Posted April 15, 2018 My best friend is a gun nut. Has an ak... ar15. Hand guns... etc. Doesnt have a ccp has no interest in carrying. All of them have trigger locks... locked gun cases etc. when we go shooting it takes an hour just to get shooting lol. Good guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thornton Melon 549 Posted April 15, 2018 Im a good guy and I have a gun. What do I win? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penultimatestraw 473 Posted April 15, 2018 Over 100 years of continuous gun ownership between me and my Pops. Zero accidental or purposeful shootings. You're wrong, nimrod. How many bad guys have you shot? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penultimatestraw 473 Posted April 15, 2018 Doctors prescribing dope all over the place kills more people than registered gun owners. A lot more.Only a subset of prescribed opioids are abused, and most pain med prescriptions are legitimate. Are physicians responsible for someone faking the severity of their pain, doctor shopping, stealing or using someone else’s prescription? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Djgb13 2,338 Posted April 15, 2018 Only a subset of prescribed opioids are abused, and most pain med prescriptions are legitimate. Are physicians responsible for someone faking the severity of their pain, doctor shopping, stealing or using someone elses prescription? Yes because if you are actually a doctor then theres a database you can look at to see if someone has gotten any opioids at all, how many they got, and how long ago they got them. If you still prescribe them then yes you are to blame. And they kill a ton of people Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745 Posted April 15, 2018 Yes because if you are actually a doctor then theres a database you can look at to see if someone has gotten any opioids at all, how many they got, and how long ago they got them. If you still prescribe them then yes you are to blame. And they kill a ton of people They kill people who choose to put them in their mouths and swallow them. Its not like people are running around a shopping mall pouring percocets into a shotgun and blasting people with them. Why do you conservatives hate personal responsibility? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted April 15, 2018 Why do you conservatives hate personal responsibility? Welfare reform, LEGAL immigration, Death Penalty, not using abortion as birth control, anti-terrorism actually being effective, etc... I'm sorry; you were trying to say which party hates personal responsibility? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penultimatestraw 473 Posted April 15, 2018 What penny and his Harvard fellow gun hater don't realize is that the power of private gun ownership is not in the use per se, but in the threat of use. Practically every house here has a pool. Yet I've heard that there are more guns than pools here. That's a lot of guns. Yet somehow this is a safe big city. If a bad guy walks down a street, he knows there is a good chance that each house he sees is armed. Hence it is safer. Especially for a border state where the Coyotes and other bad guys are definitely packing. I've never owned a gun but I feel safer because my neighbors do. And you can't measure the objective benefits. Your logic is flawed...in general, areas with more gun regulation and less firearms tend to have less violent crime. This holds true from state to state and country to country. For example, there arent a lot of guns in HI, yet we have the lowest violent crime in the country. But lets assume your threat of gun use is an effective deterrent. What is the optimal number of firearms a community needs to maximize safety? Can there ever be too many guns? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745 Posted April 15, 2018 Welfare reform, LEGAL immigration, Death Penalty, not using abortion as birth control, anti-terrorism actually being effective, etc... I'm sorry; you were trying to say which party hates personal responsibility? Just throwing the canard you guys toss around back in his face, as apparently he feels people need protection from putting things in their mouths and swallowing them of their own free will. Im not going to die of opioids unless I choose to use them. The same cannot be said of an AR15. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Djgb13 2,338 Posted April 15, 2018 They kill people who choose to put them in their mouths and swallow them. Its not like people are running around a shopping mall pouring percocets into a shotgun and blasting people with them. Why do you conservatives hate personal responsibility? Im all for personal responsibility. But the irony of your statement is laughable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted April 15, 2018 Just throwing the canard you guys toss around back in his face, as apparently he feels people need protection from putting things in their mouths and swallowing them of their own free will. Im not going to die of opioids unless I choose to use them. The same cannot be said of an AR15. Valid points but one thing I'd add is that with illegal drugs, come violence that affects everyone in those areas. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,958 Posted April 15, 2018 Just throwing the canard you guys toss around back in his face, as apparently he feels people need protection from putting things in their mouths and swallowing them of their own free will. Im not going to die of opioids unless I choose to use them. The same cannot be said of an AR15. I like personal responsibility. I also recognize many people are irresponsible focks and I adjust accordingly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,958 Posted April 15, 2018 Only a subset of prescribed opioids are abused, and most pain med prescriptions are legitimate. Are physicians responsible for someone faking the severity of their pain, doctor shopping, stealing or using someone elses prescription? Nice work on the caveat of saying prescribed drugs, completely ignoring that people go on the street for their junk after becoming addicted on the prescription drugs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penultimatestraw 473 Posted April 15, 2018 Yes because if you are actually a doctor then theres a database you can look at to see if someone has gotten any opioids at all, how many they got, and how long ago they got them. If you still prescribe them then yes you are to blame. And they kill a ton of peoplePrescription databases are a recent phenomenon, and they aren’t universal yet. If available they should be used, of course. And I never denied opioids kill a bunch of people. But they help a bunch as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,958 Posted April 15, 2018 Prescription databases are a recent phenomenon, and they arent universal yet. If available they should be used, of course. And I never denied opioids kill a bunch of people. But they help a bunch as well. Mind addressing Digby calling into question your credentials? Did that get by you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,661 Posted April 15, 2018 Your logic is flawed...in general, areas with more gun regulation and less firearms tend to have less violent crime. This holds true from state to state and country to country. For example, there arent a lot of guns in HI, yet we have the lowest violent crime in the country. But lets assume your threat of gun use is an effective deterrent. What is the optimal number of firearms a community needs to maximize safety? Can there ever be too many guns? without looking at numbers you probably have the lowest % of blacks and hispanics as well. Maybe AK Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penultimatestraw 473 Posted April 15, 2018 So I read this article and it's complete garbage. It's always a red flag to me when an author switches how data is presented. In this case percentages vs real numbers and the choice of words "Defend themselves during crimes" vs "defensive gun uses annually" The author is cherry picking stats and using word play to make his point You don't have to shoot a gun to stop a bad guy or criminal. The threat of having a gun is usually enough. Also crime prevention is just one of the many good reasons to support the 2A Look at the primary reference then. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0091743515001188 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penultimatestraw 473 Posted April 15, 2018 Who cares what the numbers say? Owning a gun is my right (and yours too, btw). Everything is else is nothing but noise and whining. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penultimatestraw 473 Posted April 15, 2018 Nice work on the caveat of saying prescribed drugs, completely ignoring that people go on the street for their junk after becoming addicted on the prescription drugs.So you’re blaming doctors for creating addicts? A few maybe, but the majority end up that way on their own. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penultimatestraw 473 Posted April 15, 2018 Mind addressing Digby calling into question your credentials? Did that get by you?He always does that, likely to deflect attention from his own faux medical career. What type of response do you expect? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penultimatestraw 473 Posted April 15, 2018 without looking at numbers you probably have the lowest % of blacks and hispanics as well. Maybe AK I knew one of you fvckos was gonna blame minorities. My generalization holds for other states as well - youd know this if you read a fraction of the links Ive provided, rather than listening to celebrity podcasts for your opinions. ETA Alaska has the highest firearm ownership, gun death and violent crime rates in the US...yet not a lot of darkies. Good thing you didn't look at the numbers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,958 Posted April 15, 2018 He always does that, likely to deflect attention from his own faux medical career. What type of response do you expect? A takedown? What fun is this place without them? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penultimatestraw 473 Posted April 15, 2018 A takedown? What fun is this place without them?It ain’t worth it. Poor guy can’t get into PA school, let alone match wits with someone from whom he would normally take orders. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted April 15, 2018 I knew one of you fvckos was gonna blame minorities. My generalization holds for other states as well - youd know this if you read a fraction of the links Ive provided, rather than listening to celebrity podcasts for your opinions. So HI has very low gun ownership rates and therefore has lower gun violence rate.............what about other crimes? https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/hi/crime Slightly more rapey there than the national average (.40 nationally versus .43 in HI per 1,000)..........a bit more theft/vehicle theft as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penultimatestraw 473 Posted April 15, 2018 So HI has very low gun ownership rates and therefore has lower gun violence rate.............what about other crimes? https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/hi/crime Slightly more rapey there than the national average (.40 nationally versus .43 in HI per 1,000)..........a bit more theft/vehicle theft as well. There's a lot of property crime here. Not much violent crime. I can live with that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Djgb13 2,338 Posted April 15, 2018 It aint worth it. Poor guy cant get into PA school, let alone match wits with someone from whom he would normally take orders. And yet seems to know more about medical than you Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lickin_starfish 1,521 Posted April 15, 2018 ...in general, areas with more gun regulation and less firearms tend to have less violent crime. This holds true from state to state and country to country. Someone has never heard of Chicago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NorthernVike 2,080 Posted April 15, 2018 Someone has never heard of Chicago. It's like he's lives on an island or sumthing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Djgb13 2,338 Posted April 15, 2018 Someone has never heard of Chicago. I think we all know the guy doesnt have a clue what hes talking about Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted April 15, 2018 Someone has never heard of Chicago.Someone doesnt understand the phrase in general. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted April 15, 2018 And yet seems to know more about medical than you It has never seemed that way at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lickin_starfish 1,521 Posted April 15, 2018 Someone doesnt understand the phrase in general. You, apparently. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Djgb13 2,338 Posted April 15, 2018 It has never seemed that way at all. Shut up meg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted April 15, 2018 You, apparently. I do...but when you bring up one city as if it disproves what he said...you obviously dont. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shotsup 832 Posted April 15, 2018 Someone has never heard of Chicago. I hate Illinois Nazis. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted April 15, 2018 Shut up meg Poor little fake doctor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shotsup 832 Posted April 15, 2018 Poor little fake doctor. Our special punching bag. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cloaca du jour 2,083 Posted April 15, 2018 So HI has very low gun ownership rates and therefore has lower gun violence rate.............what about other crimes? https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/hi/crime Slightly more rapey there than the national average (.40 nationally versus .43 in HI per 1,000)..........a bit more theft/vehicle theft as well. Different lifestyle there. I hear the squatter population is ridiculous 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted April 15, 2018 Our special punching bag.Careful...he thinks he kicks everyones ass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,681 Posted April 15, 2018 Over 100 years of continuous gun ownership between me and my Pops. Zero accidental or purposeful shootings. You're wrong, nimrod. So you've never shot those guns either by accident or on purpose? Why don't you just buy a fuking paperweight? I guess that's one way to save on ammo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites