Believing all women no longer means believing all women!

[JustinCharge 2,397]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/believe-women-sure-democrats-vet-041626844.html

Notice how the media is sanitizing the issue by politely altering the phrase from "believe all women" to "believe women".

WASHINGTON (AP) — "Believe women" was never a call to believe all women automatically.

That's what leading Democrats, including the prominent figures of the #MeToo movement, are suggesting as they stand behind former Vice President Joe Biden and his bid to unseat President Donald Trump. From House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to the female senators who ran for president and prominent Hollywood activists, they're not backing down after Biden on Friday publicly denied a former aide's accusation that he assaulted her in 1993.

“It never happened,” Biden said on MSNBC's “Morning Joe.” “Believing women means taking the woman’s claim seriously when she steps forward, and then vet it, look into it. That’s true in this case as well. ... But in the end, the truth is what matters, and in this case, the truth is the claims are false.”

It was largely the denial Democrats were hoping for.

Even so, there was a clear discomfort and perhaps resentment with being on defense on the issue while campaigning against a president accused by more than two dozen women of sexual misconduct. (Trump has denied the allegations.) Especially galling to some is the charge by Republicans that Democrats are giving Biden a pass they didn't afford Justice Brett Kavanaugh when he denied Christine Blasey Ford's accusation of sexual assault when they were teenagers.

Pelosi, the nation’s highest-ranking Democrat, recognized the maw and curtly stepped around it.

“I don’t need a lecture or a speech,” she said at her weekly news conference as she cut into a reporter's question about a double standard. "With all the respect in the world for any woman who comes forward, I have the highest regard for Joe Biden. And that’s what I have to say about that.”

Others have been less succinct. Actress and leading #MeToo activist Alyssa Milano sat behind Kavanaugh during his televised confirmation hearings, a position she sought as a way to stand in “solidarity” with Blasey Ford.

But as the Reade allegations swirled around Biden and a party finally uniting around him, Milano penned an essay for Deadline.com in which she acknowledged “shades of gray” and reiterated her support for the former vice president.

“Believing women was never about ‘Believe all women no matter what they say,’ it was about changing the culture of NOT believing women by default,” Milano wrote.

Karen Finney, a prominent Democratic strategist and message-maker who worked for Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign, rejected the Kavanaugh comparison outright.

In the context of sexual assault allegations, Finney said “believe women” doesn’t mean accepting as fact any assertion, but instead means affording women the default credibility to take claims seriously.

“If you start from the premise that this person is telling the truth, then you do the investigation and look at the facts,” she said, “and if the facts tell a different story, then that’s an important conversation to have.”

Biden's supporters in the Senate, too, have stood by him, including some who challenged him for the nomination and are now said to be on his short list for a running mate.

But a few hours after his appearance on MSNBC, Trump's campaign posted a video featuring many of them — Kirsten Gillibrand of New York, Kamala Harris of California and Mazie Hirono of Hawaii — saying in the past that female accusers should be believed.

The reel begins and ends with Biden and Clinton, the 2016 Democratic nominee whose husband, Bill Clinton, was impeached in connection with his extramarital affair with White House intern Monica Lewinsky. The Senate acquitted him, but the episode remains one of the party's fraught chapters in its advocacy for women.

Biden appeared Friday to recognize the need to reinforce his commitment.

During an evening virtual fundraiser with hundreds of veterans from the Obama administration, he addressed the matter again, repeating his assertions that Reade’s account “didn’t happen,” but explaining that his reaction doesn’t amount to hypocrisy because of how Democrats have approached the #MeToo movement.

“My knowledge that it isn’t true does nothing to shake my belief that women have to be able to be heard and that all the claims be taken seriously,” Biden said. “It isn’t enough just to simply take my word for it and dismiss it out of hand. Frankly, that shouldn’t be enough for anyone because we know that sort of approach is how the culture of abuse has been allowed to fester for so long.”

Unreleased document troves — Biden's at the the University of Delaware and other Senate files at the National Archives — have raised questions about what might be found in them. Reade says she filed a complaint about Biden with the Senate. Biden says such a document, if it exists, would be stored in the archives.

[not titans 14]

What a focking joke. Anyone who votes for this party should be ashamed of themselves.

[wiffleball 4,649]

Yeah. That was always a stupid idea

Common Sense should tell you if there is a lie that women can tell that will give them power or money or fame or attention or get them out of trouble or personal responsibility - and absolutely will not under any circumstances be challenged by things like common sense or evidence? 

They will.

[jerryskids 5,215]

These ads write themselves, it's too easy.  If I were Trump's campaign manager my biggest concern would be keeping him engaged at this point.

[Utilit99 4,099]

This is all I needed to read of that to get my latest laugh at a liberal. 

" "Believe women" was never a call to believe all women automatically. "

[DonS 3,073]

1 minute ago, Utilit99 said:

This is all I needed to read of that to get my latest laugh at a liberal. 

" "Believe women" was never a call to believe all women automatically. "

I have been biting my tongue around my wife.  I sooooooo want to say 'believe all women' to her but it's not worth the argument that would ensue. 

[Hardcore troubadour 12,713]

Exposed. The Democrats have nominated successive tomato cans to try and  beat the most beatable guy ever. Buster Douglas didn’t hold his title for long because he has to defend his title after his one in a million victory. 

[edjr 5,587]

7 hours ago, not titans said:

What a focking joke. Anyone who votes for this party should be ashamed of themselves.

Are they voting for a party or against a party?

People that voted Trump, did they vote for Trump or against Hitlery?

[kutulu 1,552]

 

[Gladiators 1,904]

13 minutes ago, edjr said:

Are they voting for a party or against a party?

People that voted Trump, did they vote for Trump or against Hitlery?

Yes

[edjr 5,587]

23 minutes ago, Gladiators said:

Yes

Well said

[TBayXXXVII 2,130]

Well, we all knew this was going to happen, so it's not a big deal.

[wiffleball 4,649]

9 hours ago, jerryskids said:

These ads write themselves, it's too easy.  If I were Trump's campaign manager my biggest concern would be keeping him engaged at this point.

Engaged? Hell. Given his history, I'd be worried about keeping him Married. 

[not titans 14]

8 hours ago, edjr said:

Are they voting for a party or against a party?

People that voted Trump, did they vote for Trump or against Hitlery?

Sure. It's always a choice between evils.

God knows I'm not a fan of Trump. But the last four years has opened my eyes to how focked up the other side is. The constant media distortion. The Kavanagh circus. The bs impeachment.

It's pretty clear to me which party is the larger evil these days. 

[Hardcore troubadour 12,713]

24 minutes ago, not titans said:

Sure. It's always a choice between evils.

God knows I'm not a fan of Trump. But the last four years has opened my eyes to how focked up the other side is. The constant media distortion. The Kavanagh circus. The bs impeachment.

It's pretty clear to me which party is the larger evil these days. 

Trump is the biggest issue on the right. Not his policy, but him. And I say that as someone who has no issue with him fighting back against the press.  But he doesn’t need to go off message and brainstorm in front of everyone like he does. I know he didn’t mean people should use disinfectant for the chinavirus. Only an idiot would spin it that way. But in his case less is more. Outside of McConnell, I like the republican leadership that has emerged. They are much less in bed with the country club set than their predecessors. Not completely, but less.  But I find myself in disagreement with nearly every policy on the left and can’t find a normal one in the whole bunch. I thought Tim Ryan from Ohio was, but he jumped in the pool with the crazies too. It’s not just about Trump anymore. 

[not titans 14]

8 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Trump is the biggest issue on the right. Not his policy, but him. And I say that as someone who has no issue with him fighting back against the press.  But he doesn’t need to go off message and brainstorm in front of everyone like he does. I know he didn’t mean people should use disinfectant for the chinavirus. Only an idiot would spin it that way. But in his case less is more. Outside of McConnell, I like the republican leadership that has emerged. They are much less in bed with the country club set than their predecessors. Not completely, but less.  But I find myself in disagreement with nearly every policy on the left and can’t find a normal one in the whole bunch. I thought Tim Ryan from Ohio was, but he jumped in the pool with the crazies too. It’s not just about Trump anymore. 

I pretty much agree with everything you said. Trump is often his own worst enemy. But I Definately like his policy more than the left.

The democrats are just children at this point. They can't even be taken seriously. 

[edjr 5,587]

10 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Trump is the biggest issue on the right. Not his policy, but him. And I say that as someone who has no issue with him fighting back against the press.  But he doesn’t need to go off message and brainstorm in front of everyone like he does. I know he didn’t mean people should use disinfectant for the chinavirus. Only an idiot would spin it that way. But in his case less is more. Outside of McConnell, I like the republican leadership that has emerged. They are much less in bed with the country club set than their predecessors. Not completely, but less.  But I find myself in disagreement with nearly every policy on the left and can’t find a normal one in the whole bunch. I thought Tim Ryan from Ohio was, but he jumped in the pool with the crazies too. It’s not just about Trump anymore. 

Nailed it

[EternalShinyAndChrome 2,545]

11 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Trump is the biggest issue on the right. Not his policy, but him. And I say that as someone who has no issue with him fighting back against the press.  But he doesn’t need to go off message and brainstorm in front of everyone like he does. I know he didn’t mean people should use disinfectant for the chinavirus. Only an idiot would spin it that way. But in his case less is more. Outside of McConnell, I like the republican leadership that has emerged. They are much less in bed with the country club set than their predecessors. Not completely, but less.  But I find myself in disagreement with nearly every policy on the left and can’t find a normal one in the whole bunch. I thought Tim Ryan from Ohio was, but he jumped in the pool with the crazies too. It’s not just about Trump anymore. 

Post of the year, dare I say? 

You and I - we're almost exactly the same.  Except I'm probably better looking, a bit smarter and a definitely a chick-magnet. 

But, ideology-wise, yeah, we're the same.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

On 5/2/2020 at 8:43 PM, Hardcore troubadour said:

Trump is the biggest issue on the right. Not his policy, but him. And I say that as someone who has no issue with him fighting back against the press.  But he doesn’t need to go off message and brainstorm in front of everyone like he does. I know he didn’t mean people should use disinfectant for the chinavirus. Only an idiot would spin it that way. But in his case less is more. Outside of McConnell, I like the republican leadership that has emerged. They are much less in bed with the country club set than their predecessors. Not completely, but less.  But I find myself in disagreement with nearly every policy on the left and can’t find a normal one in the whole bunch. I thought Tim Ryan from Ohio was, but he jumped in the pool with the crazies too. It’s not just about Trump anymore. 

Look, if you want a champion, someone that really is going to fight the system, that person by their nature is also going to say controversial things.  You cannot separate the two.  The people who are more reserved and measured in their thoughts and beliefs are also going to get corrupted by the system.

There is no unicorn.  There's no "normal' candidate that will go far enough to reform the system. 

But this gets back to what I've said before.  Revolutions come from the fringe.  People with good paying jobs and a bright future tend not to revolt against the system.  They always seem to find some excuse not to.  People doing well will say something like "yah I want things to change, but that person goes a little too far for my taste, so I am going to sit in my comfy chair and do nothing."  That attitude is EXPECTED from people who are well off.

[vuduchile 1,941]

On 5/2/2020 at 11:43 PM, Hardcore troubadour said:

Trump is the biggest issue on the right. Not his policy, but him. And I say that as someone who has no issue with him fighting back against the press.  But he doesn’t need to go off message and brainstorm in front of everyone like he does. I know he didn’t mean people should use disinfectant for the chinavirus. Only an idiot would spin it that way. But in his case less is more. Outside of McConnell, I like the republican leadership that has emerged. They are much less in bed with the country club set than their predecessors. Not completely, but less.  But I find myself in disagreement with nearly every policy on the left and can’t find a normal one in the whole bunch. I thought Tim Ryan from Ohio was, but he jumped in the pool with the crazies too. It’s not just about Trump anymore. 

It's almost as if the dems have already conceded this election by throwing Biden out there.