Ahmaud Arbery

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4 hours ago, jerryskids said:

We should let violent criminals out to make it "equitable," like that Waukesha monster, amirite?!

All I did was correct TBay’s inaccurate assertion with a bit of reality. Not sure how this post relates to what I wrote.

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5 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Criminals get arrested and convicted. Lots of them don’t.  The clearance rate for murders in crime ridden cities is around 45 pct in a good year. Lots of black men are literally getting away with murder. Neve mind all the robberies and assaults that are never reported, never mind investigated. Live by the stats, die by the stats. You have little understanding of them.  

That’s not accurate. The murder clearance rate is actually noticeably higher in cities of over 1 million people - about 70%. National rate is about 60%.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/tables/table-25

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25 minutes ago, dogcows said:

That’s not accurate. The murder clearance rate is actually noticeably higher in cities of over 1 million people - about 70%. National rate is about 60%.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/tables/table-25

Typical ignorant, lying leftist. I say crime ridden, he switches it to cities over a million. So I guess we won’t count Baltimore, Detroit, New Orleans, St. Louis, and all the other Democrat led shitholes full of black murder victims that are under a million. Nice try. I never took a statistics class. Looks like you didn’t either. Or maybe you did. 

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21 minutes ago, dogcows said:

That’s not accurate. The murder clearance rate is actually noticeably higher in cities of over 1 million people - about 70%. National rate is about 60%.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/tables/table-25

So @Hardcore troubadour cites " crime ridden cities" have 40% clearance rate and you counter with nationwide data that includes "non negligent manslaughter" along with murder?  Ok then.

DC, Baltimore, Memphis, NO, etc historically have sh!tty clearance rates.  As a matter of fact, DC is on track for exactly a 40% rate this year.  And this stuff is not new.  In 2012 NO, had a whopping 12% clearance rate.

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2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Typical ignorant, lying leftist. I say crime ridden, he switches it to cities over a million. So I guess we won’t count Baltimore, Detroit, New Orleans, St. Louis, and all the other Democrat led shitholes full of black murder victims that are under a million. Nice try. I never took a statistics class. Looks like you didn’t either. Or maybe you did. 

Lol...we gonna be accused as aliases of each other.

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3 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

So @Hardcore troubadour cites " crime ridden cities" have 40% clearance rate and you counter with nationwide data that includes "non negligent manslaughter" along with murder?  Ok then.

DC, Baltimore, Memphis, NO, etc historically have sh!tty clearance rates.  As a matter of fact, DC is on track for exactly a 40% rate this year.  And this stuff is not new.  In 2012 NO, had a whopping 12% clearance rate.

They just can’t admit what is so clearly the truth. You would think after all the bullshit they have been fed over the years that they bought into they would check themselves at least once in a while. Nope. They just keep throwing bullshit out there, because somehow they got it in their heads they are the smart ones.  

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6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Typical ignorant, lying leftist. I say crime ridden, he switches it to cities over a million. So I guess we won’t count Baltimore, Detroit, New Orleans, St. Louis, and all the other Democrat led shitholes full of black murder victims that are under a million. Nice try. I never took a statistics class. Looks like you didn’t either. Or maybe you did. 

You can see the numbers on the linked FBI site if you want. Or just ignore them. That’s fine too. Just sharing some actual information instead of unsupported assertions and nebulous statements like “‘crime ridden cities…” and then picking the worst city in America in its worst year as your example, pretending that it’s representative of cities in America as a whole.

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2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

They just can’t admit what is so clearly the truth. You would think after all the bullshit they have been fed over the years that they bought into they would check themselves at least once in a while. Nope. They just keep throwing bullshit out there, because somehow they got it in their heads they are the smart ones.  

All I did was post actual numbers. Then you got all emotional. Did you burn your turkey today?

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9 minutes ago, dogcows said:

You can see the numbers on the linked FBI site if you want. Or just ignore them. That’s fine too. Just sharing some actual information instead of unsupported assertions and nebulous statements like “‘crime ridden cities…” and then picking the worst city in America in its worst year as your example, pretending that it’s representative of cities in America as a whole.

I said crime ridden cities. When did I say all cities? See, I know the clearance rate is higher in the non crime ridden cities. That’s because I know what I’m talking about. Also, I doubt you even know what goes into clearing a murder case. If you did you wouldn’t think a 60 pct rate is anything to brag about either. 

 

10 minutes ago, dogcows said:

All I did was post actual numbers. Then you got all emotional. Did you burn your turkey today?

You posted actual numbers about all cities over a million. We weren’t talking about those cities. 

[Vince44 205]

Justice. Great to see these country bumpkins all found guilty. Georgia is starting to redeem itself as a state. Biden over Trump. Ossoff and Warnock to turn the Senate Blue. 

[Vince44 205]

Come on, HT. You know better than that. Just stop trying to spin everything. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

24 minutes ago, Vince44 said:

Justice. Great to see these country bumpkins all found guilty. Georgia is starting to redeem itself as a state. Biden over Trump. Ossoff and Warnock to turn the Senate Blue. 

 Retard at work. 

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58 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I said crime ridden cities. When did I say all cities? See, I know the clearance rate is higher in the non crime ridden cities. That’s because I know what I’m talking about. Also, I doubt you even know what goes into clearing a murder case. If you did you wouldn’t think a 60 pct rate is anything to brag about either. 

 

You posted actual numbers about all cities over a million. We weren’t talking about those cities. 

You didn’t say what cities specifically you were talking about. Cities of all sizes are on that FBI site I linked so you can get the information there. I was just giving an example from the data for you.

You tossed out a nebulous term and then start arguing that “‘that’s not what I meant.” Are we all supposed to read your mind?

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6 minutes ago, dogcows said:

You didn’t say what cities specifically you were talking about. Cities of all sizes are on that FBI site I linked so you can get the information there. I was just giving an example from the data for you.

You tossed out a nebulous term and then start arguing that “‘that’s not what I meant.” Are we all supposed to read your mind?

Crime ridden cities. That means cities with a high crime rate. Now that we have that settled, the point  I made remains. And you did not refute it:  Black men are literally getting away with murder by the bucketload in a supposedly racist criminal justice system. The narrative is simply not true. Sorry to burst your bubble. Just face it, you relied on people that lied to you. You have no other way of knowing anything about the CJS but to rely on others.  

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Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Crime ridden cities. That means cities with a high crime rate. Now that we have that settled, the point  I made remains. And you did not refute it:  Black men are literally getting away with murder by the bucketload in a supposedly racist criminal justice system. The narrative is simply not true. Sorry to burst your bubble. Just face it, you relied on people that lied to you. You have no other way of knowing anything about the CJS but to rely on others.  

What is a “high crime rate” in your definition? You are still keeping it nebulous.

Chicago has way over 1 million. It is constantly called out here for being crime-ridden.

As for the rest of your statement, it’s absolutely false. You haven’t given a single verifiable fact: just your personal belief that you think black people are not being arrested… despite the fact that prisons are disproportionately filled with black people which completely disproves your entire theory.

Finally, I am NOT relying on “people that lied” - I check the facts. You’re the one ignoring verifiable facts and resorting to generalizations. You tossed out incorrect assertions; I gave you a link to the actual numbers, if you care to read them. As long as you continue to toss out generalizations, I know you’re not interested in the facts or in a serious discussion.

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6 minutes ago, dogcows said:

What is a “high crime rate” in your definition? You are still keeping it nebulous.

Chicago has way over 1 million. It is constantly called out here for being crime-ridden.

As for the rest of your statement, it’s absolutely false. You haven’t given a single verifiable fact: just your personal belief that you think black people are not being arrested… despite the fact that prisons are disproportionately filled with black people which completely disproves your entire theory.

Finally, I am NOT relying on “people that lied” - I check the facts. You’re the one ignoring verifiable facts and resorting to generalizations. You tossed out incorrect assertions; I gave you a link to the actual numbers, if you care to read them. As long as you continue to toss out generalizations, I know you’re not interested in the facts or in a serious discussion.

Do you think the victims of violent crime are more likely to be black or white? And in a best case scenario, which isn’t even close, the clearance rate is still 60 pct. hence, my original point that many black men are literally getting away with murder stands. Unless you think white men are going to Baltimore and the rest of those shitholes and doing all the killing. 

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16 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

No police were on the streets in Kensosha during that incident.  They were all by the courthouse and police station making sure people don't break in and destroy the government buildings.  That did NOT happen in Alabama.

I don’t want to keep discussing the Kyle Rittenhouse trial in the Ahmad Arbery thread BUT I didn’t fully get all the bits and details and I think the way I perceived it was this kid was irritated by the potential threat of looters in Kenosha, got a gun illegally and tried to be big shot Rambo vigilante type guy who saw threats unaware that the people approaching him just saw him as a threat and he killed others as they tried to disarm him. 

I think the dynamic changes if he was motivated to protect the city from pervasive looting. It would destroy his livelihood. 

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10 minutes ago, peenie said:

I don’t want to keep discussing the Kyle Rittenhouse trial in the Ahmad Arbery thread BUT I didn’t fully get all the bits and details and I think the way I perceived it was this kid was irritated by the potential threat of looters in Kenosha, got a gun illegally and tried to be big shot Rambo vigilante type guy who saw threats unaware that the people approaching him just saw him as a threat and he killed others as they tried to disarm him. 

I think the dynamic changes if he was motivated to protect the city from pervasive looting. It would destroy his livelihood. 

That is an unusual interpretation of the know facts. 

But if your premise starts with racist thoughts, it sorta adds up.

[Baker Boy 1,699]

On 11/24/2021 at 2:40 PM, RLLD said:

 

Agree,  But shouldn't someone complain that it ended this way> I mean, there was no shortage of focking crying when the Rittenhouse outcome was properly completed...

An all white jury, convicted an all-white set of perps in Georgia....are we still to pretend there is racial injustice in the court system? 

It would just be really nice if the AA community would STFU about this stuff, accept that the system works, and that they have a cultural issue they need to fix.

Liberal Upset By Ahmaud Arbery Verdict As There's Nothing To Be Angry About

https://babylonbee.com/news/leftists-upset-by-ahmaud-arbery-verdict-as-theres-nothing-to-be-angry-about

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3 hours ago, RLLD said:

That is an unusual interpretation of the know facts. 

But if your premise starts with racist thoughts, it sorta adds up.

Where is the racism in my post? I don’t think racism is an issue in the KR situation. Feel free to point out if I’m unaware of the racist thing I wrote. In my mind only White people were involved so not sure how racism was any part of my comment.

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19 minutes ago, peenie said:

Where is the racism in my post? I don’t think racism is an issue in the KR situation. Feel free to point out if I’m unaware of the racist thing I wrote. In my mind only White people were involved so not sure how racism was any part of my comment.

This is where it gets fun, you see we get pelted with "you said that because you are racist" when it arised that we describe someone of a particular skin color.....and then you come along and say "big shot Rambo vigilante type" and I have decided that your usage of those terms is a trope for white people, now....here is the neat part, I get to just decide that, recreate definitions of words to fit my declaration that you are racist...and why you ask? Because THAT is what has been done to the white community.... so enjoy it...

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3 hours ago, RLLD said:

This is where it gets fun, you see we get pelted with "you said that because you are racist" when it arised that we describe someone of a particular skin color.....and then you come along and say "big shot Rambo vigilante type" and I have decided that your usage of those terms is a trope for white people, now....here is the neat part, I get to just decide that, recreate definitions of words to fit my declaration that you are racist...and why you ask? Because THAT is what has been done to the white community.... so enjoy it...

Well, as someone who hasn’t seen the movie Rambo other than the poster, I wasn’t implying a stereotype but rather a person who feels righteous and powerful with a gun. I don’t think that is a degrading remark. If you see Kyle being compared to Rambo as racist, well okay. I certainly only meant his actions nothing else. I mean, Kyle wishes he was Rambo, which was the point. 

It’s really silly to call me racist. Why would I continue to post here? It used to be more fun and funny here but now it’s so angry all the time with so much complaining. 

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2 hours ago, peenie said:

Well, as someone who hasn’t seen the movie Rambo other than the poster, I wasn’t implying a stereotype but rather a person who feels righteous and powerful with a gun. I don’t think that is a degrading remark. If you see Kyle being compared to Rambo as racist, well okay. I certainly only meant his actions nothing else. I mean, Kyle wishes he was Rambo, which was the point. 

It’s really silly to call me racist. Why would I continue to post here? It used to be more fun and funny here but now it’s so angry all the time with so much complaining. 

I agree with you.  It's not right or fair. I empathize with your position. I feel like we have had a moment here.....   

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On 11/25/2021 at 6:07 PM, dogcows said:

What is a “high crime rate” in your definition? You are still keeping it nebulous.

Chicago has way over 1 million. It is constantly called out here for being crime-ridden.

As for the rest of your statement, it’s absolutely false. You haven’t given a single verifiable fact: just your personal belief that you think black people are not being arrested… despite the fact that prisons are disproportionately filled with black people which completely disproves your entire theory.

Finally, I am NOT relying on “people that lied” - I check the facts. You’re the one ignoring verifiable facts and resorting to generalizations. You tossed out incorrect assertions; I gave you a link to the actual numbers, if you care to read them. As long as you continue to toss out generalizations, I know you’re not interested in the facts or in a serious discussion.

You do realize that it is possible for there to be both (1) a lot of black people who aren't arrested, and (2) a disproportionate number of black people in prison, right?

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11 hours ago, jerryskids said:

You do realize that it is possible for there to be both (1) a lot of black people who aren't arrested, and (2) a disproportionate number of black people in prison, right?

The "logic" of liberals is always a special treat, its like they live in a Monty Python skit, except they are serious....lol

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15 hours ago, jerryskids said:

You do realize that it is possible for there to be both (1) a lot of black people who aren't arrested, and (2) a disproportionate number of black people in prison, right?

Many things are hypothetically possible. Do you have any data on un-closed cases and what percentage of them involve white perpetrators as opposed to black perpetrators? Based on the fact that clearance rates for crimes are higher in high-population cities, and that high-population cities have higher percentages of black people than most smaller cities, a preliminary look at the numbers points to black perpetrators being arrested and convicted more often than white ones. 

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7 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Many things are hypothetically possible. Do you have any data on un-closed cases and what percentage of them involve white perpetrators as opposed to black perpetrators? Based on the fact that clearance rates for crimes are higher in high-population cities, and that high-population cities have higher percentages of black people than most smaller cities, a preliminary look at the numbers points to black perpetrators being arrested and convicted more often than white ones. 

Thanks for making the point. Should more white people be arrested to even up the numbers? You think it’s white people doing all the violence? The race of the victims should tell you who the perps are.  But your side never wants to acknowledge who the victims are. Unless it’s white on black violence, like the subject of this thread. 

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5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Thanks for making the point. Should more white people be arrested to even up the numbers? You think it’s white people doing all the violence? The race of the victims should tell you who the perps are.  But your side never wants to acknowledge who the victims are. 

Why do you insist on tossing out generalizations and attacking of sides? The facts are there. Read and digest them if you want, or just stick to your prejudices.

The point is, based on a preliminary look at the numbers, white people are more likely to “get away with” a crime than black people. Think before replying.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,427]

2 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Why do you insist on tossing out generalizations and attacking of sides? The facts are there. Read and digest them if you want, or just stick to your prejudices.

The point is, based on a preliminary look at the numbers, white people are more likely to “get away with” a crime than black people. Think before replying.

So the victims of murder, overwhelmingly black,  whose murderers are not charged, are being killed by white people? Ok. 

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5 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Many things are hypothetically possible. Do you have any data on un-closed cases and what percentage of them involve white perpetrators as opposed to black perpetrators? Based on the fact that clearance rates for crimes are higher in high-population cities, and that high-population cities have higher percentages of black people than most smaller cities, a preliminary look at the numbers points to black perpetrators being arrested and convicted more often than white ones. 

Apparently you don't realize it, because you are doubling down on poor logic.  And I was merely pointing out that your "completely disproves" statement is 100% false, not claiming that I've researched the data.

Since you don't realize it, it would happen if, say, black people commit more of the violent crimes. 

Let's cut to the chase:  black people are arrested and convicted more because of some combination of (1) committing more crimes, and (2) systemic racism.  The question is how you believe that combination is distributed.  For petty crimes like simple possession, I'll give you that a good chunk of it is profiling etc.  But for violent crimes, sorry, just not the case.

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1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

Apparently you don't realize it, because you are doubling down on poor logic.  And I was merely pointing out that your "completely disproves" statement is 100% false, not claiming that I've researched the data.

Since you don't realize it, it would happen if, say, black people commit more of the violent crimes. 

Let's cut to the chase:  black people are arrested and convicted more because of some combination of (1) committing more crimes, and (2) systemic racism.  The question is how you believe that combination is distributed.  For petty crimes like simple possession, I'll give you that a good chunk of it is profiling etc.  But for violent crimes, sorry, just not the case.

The discussion is clearance rates. Low clearance rates - more people “get away with” crimes.

Clearance rates are lower in areas with a higher percentage white population.

Even if black people commit crime at higher rates, the lower clearance rates in areas with lower percentage black populations indicates that white people are more likely to “get away with” a crime.

This is what the data says; it is reality. The data doesn’t make black people look great, but it also seems to invalidate claims that black people get away with crimes more often than white people. If you have any actual data that indicates otherwise, I’d like to see it.

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1 minute ago, dogcows said:

The discussion is clearance rates. Low clearance rates - more people “get away with” crimes.

Clearance rates are lower in areas with a higher percentage white population.

Even if black people commit crime at higher rates, the lower clearance rates in areas with lower percentage black populations indicates that white people are more likely to “get away with” a crime.

This is what the data says; it is reality. The data doesn’t make black people look great, but it also seems to invalidate claims that black people get away with crimes more often than white people. If you have any actual data that indicates otherwise, I’d like to see it.

Only if the white people are committing the crimes. If they aren’t , then they aren’t getting away with anything. You take a city like NYC and think the crime rate is evenly spread out across the city. It’s not. It’s not even close. It’s in certain areas, and if you had any police science training you would know that most crimes, by a wide margin, are committed by same race perps. 

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1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Only if the white people are committing the crimes. If they aren’t , then they aren’t getting away with anything. You take a city like NYC and think the crime rate is evenly spread out across the city. It’s not. It’s not even close. It’s in certain areas, and if you had any police science training you would know that most crimes, by a wide margin, are committed by same race perps. 

You are not understanding the presented numbers; I’m not arguing who is committing more crimes. I’m arguing who is more likely to get away with a crime. The data show higher clearance rates in areas with more black people.

And as for wrongful convictions: Black people are 7x more likely to be wrongfully convicted than white people… again this is the data speaking.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/7/14834454/exoneration-innocence-prison-racism

There seems to be a feeling here that black people are getting away with crimes at a higher rate than white people. Sorry, but there are no data that support such a feeling.

[Baker Boy 1,699]

10 minutes ago, dogcows said:

The discussion is clearance rates. Low clearance rates - more people “get away with” crimes.

Clearance rates are lower in areas with a higher percentage white population.

Even if black people commit crime at higher rates, the lower clearance rates in areas with lower percentage black populations indicates that white people are more likely to “get away with” a crime.

This is what the data says; it is reality. The data doesn’t make black people look great, but it also seems to invalidate claims that black people get away with crimes more often than white people. If you have any actual data that indicates otherwise, I’d like to see it.

70% of victims of violent crimes by people they don’t know report their assailant as Black.

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14 minutes ago, dogcows said:

You are not understanding the presented numbers; I’m not arguing who is committing more crimes. I’m arguing who is more likely to get away with a crime. The data show higher clearance rates in areas with more black people.

And as for wrongful convictions: Black people are 7x more likely to be wrongfully convicted than white people… again this is the data speaking.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/7/14834454/exoneration-innocence-prison-racism

There seems to be a feeling here that black people are getting away with crimes at a higher rate than white people. Sorry, but there are no data that support such a feeling.

NYC clearance rate last year was 54pct. Down from 90. I guess the bail and CJS reforms didn’t factor in. NYC has around  30k cops. Baltimore has 2500. NYC had 430 murders last year, Baltimore around 300. And you want to act as if they are the same? And I’ll have to point out to you once again, a case being cleared doesn’t mean an arrest was made. Often it isn’t the case. So yeah, black people are literally getting away with murder, in large numbers. Which was my original point. So we can stop with how racist the system is. It has flaws. 

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1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

NYC clearance rate last year was 54pct. Down from 90. I guess the bail and CJS reforms didn’t factor in. NYC has around  30k cops. Baltimore has 2500. NYC had 430 murders last year, Baltimore around 300. And you want to act as if they are the same? And I’ll have to point out to you once again, a case being cleared doesn’t mean an arrest was made. Often it isn’t the case. So yeah, black people are literally getting away with murder, in large numbers. Which was my original point. So we can stop with his racist the system is. It has flaws. 

I’ve seen no indication anywhere that black people get away with murder at higher rates than white people do. You’ve shown nothing that supports that assertion. So why are you specifically calling out black people? Just say PEOPLE are getting away with murder. Instead you insert race, and when called out that the rates of unsolved murders are lower in the big cities with higher minority populations, compared to areas with lower minority populations, you start ranting about Baltimore, numbers of cops, and all manner of unrelated information. 

[Fireballer 2,642]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

 And I’ll have to point out to you once again, a case being cleared doesn’t mean an arrest was made. Often it isn’t the case. 

Gawd, could you imagine clearance rates if it was only including arrest and not exceptional?  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,427]

3 minutes ago, dogcows said:

I’ve seen no indication anywhere that black people get away with murder at higher rates than white people do. You’ve shown nothing that supports that assertion. So why are you specifically calling out black people? Just say PEOPLE are getting away with murder. Instead you insert race, and when called out that the rates of unsolved murders are lower in the big cities with higher minority populations, compared to areas with lower minority populations, you start ranting about Baltimore, numbers of cops, and all manner of unrelated information. 

I’m bringing race into because liberals like you keep claiming the system is racist. I’m advocating for the victims. Your energy is on the other side. And it’s not working. As usual, liberals spout off about subjects that have no hands on experience in and then proceed to make it worse. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,427]

8 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Gawd, could you imagine clearance rates if it was only including arrest and not exceptional?  

They’re just clueless. And they act like if a guy is let out without bail he doesn’t commit more crimes because he shows up for his court date. News flash: You can go out and commit more crimes and show up for your court date for the one you got caught for. And of course they are going to show up for their court date when they know the DA isn’t going to do anything meaningful. They don’t want to have a warrant which is more of a detriment than the slap on the wrist or the outright dismissal they are looking at by showing up.  It’s exhausting talking to these people.  

[MDC 7,420]

Black guy gets killed by white hillbillies. Let’s cry about black people!

Gotta love the GC.