CDC Study Covid19 less deadly than seasonal flu

[Cdub100 3,405]

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html

[Mike Honcho 4,053]

Are you sure that is what your link says?  

[Cdub100 3,405]

9 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Are you sure that is what your link says?  

Scenario 5:

Parameter values for disease severity, viral transmissibility, and pre-symptomatic and asymptomatic disease transmission that represent the best estimate, based on the latest surveillance data and scientific knowledge. Parameter values are based on data received by CDC prior to 4/29/2020.

Symptomatic Case Fatality Ratio, stratified by age in years

Source: Preliminary COVID-19 estimates, CDC

0-49: 0.0005

Overall: 0.004

Seasonal Flu 0.0001

I would argue Seasonal Flu would be worse if people didn't get the flu vaccine. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

1 hour ago, Cdub100 said:

Scenario 5:

Parameter values for disease severity, viral transmissibility, and pre-symptomatic and asymptomatic disease transmission that represent the best estimate, based on the latest surveillance data and scientific knowledge. Parameter values are based on data received by CDC prior to 4/29/2020.

Symptomatic Case Fatality Ratio, stratified by age in years

Source: Preliminary COVID-19 estimates, CDC

0-49: 0.0005

Overall: 0.004

Seasonal Flu 0.0001

I would argue Seasonal Flu would be worse if people didn't get the flu vaccine. 

Yeah, but this hurts the left's narrative. That's not fair. 

[drobeski 3,061]

Good, Karen and her masks can fock off, validated.

 

[Mike Honcho 4,053]

[Utilit99 4,099]

 

[tubby_mcgee 691]

On 5/23/2020 at 4:53 PM, Cdub100 said:

Scenario 5:

Parameter values for disease severity, viral transmissibility, and pre-symptomatic and asymptomatic disease transmission that represent the best estimate, based on the latest surveillance data and scientific knowledge. Parameter values are based on data received by CDC prior to 4/29/2020.

Symptomatic Case Fatality Ratio, stratified by age in years

Source: Preliminary COVID-19 estimates, CDC

0-49: 0.0005

Overall: 0.004

Seasonal Flu 0.0001

I would argue Seasonal Flu would be worse if people didn't get the flu vaccine.  

 

I would love to use this chart to post ...where ever I see liberals hanging out.

But, here is my question.... So...age 0-49...

.0005 vs .0001.   Isn't that showing a fatality rate of 5x for Covid?
And yes...the Seasonal Flu numbers would go up without the vaccine, but that's where a liberal is gonna fire back "vaccine doesn't make up for a 5x difference, blah blah blah"

 

Or is there something I'm not seeing/understanding?

[Cdub100 3,405]

Just now, tubby_mcgee said:

 

I would love to use this chart to post ...where ever I see liberals hanging out.

But, here is my question.... So...age 0-49...

.0005 vs .0001.   Isn't that showing a fatality rate of 5x for Covid?
And yes...the Seasonal Flu numbers would go up without the vaccine, but that's where a liberal is gonna fire back "vaccine doesn't make up for a 5x difference, blah blah blah"

That is how people use stats to lie. 

COVID19 is 5x more deadly than the seasonal flu! OMG WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!! 

One million people that's only 400 more people who probably had an underlying issue to begin with.

The #1 killer in the US is heart disease. #8 Influenza and pneumonia

Assuming all the deaths attributed to COVID are true it moves to #3 Cancer and heart disease kill twice as many people. That being said COVID19, and pneumonia really only kill the elderly or those with already life-threatening symptoms. 

The question to ask is all this we are going through worth it for a rounding error? 

[Utilit99 4,099]

18 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

That is how people use stats to lie. 

COVID19 is 5x more deadly than the seasonal flu! OMG WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!! 

One million people that's only 400 more people who probably had an underlying issue to begin with.

The #1 killer in the US is heart disease. #8 Influenza and pneumonia

Assuming all the deaths attributed to COVID are true it moves to #3 Cancer and heart disease kill twice as many people. That being said COVID19, and pneumonia really only kill the elderly or those with already life-threatening symptoms. 

The question to ask is all this we are going through worth it for a rounding error? 

Open up America. Fvck those who want the economy to fail just to try to get Trump out of office.

I would rather die in a flourishing capitalist economy, than live confined under a socialist government.

[tubby_mcgee 691]

9 hours ago, Cdub100 said:

That is how people use stats to lie. 

COVID19 is 5x more deadly than the seasonal flu! OMG WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!! 

One million people that's only 400 more people who probably had an underlying issue to begin with.

The #1 killer in the US is heart disease. #8 Influenza and pneumonia

Assuming all the deaths attributed to COVID are true it moves to #3 Cancer and heart disease kill twice as many people. That being said COVID19, and pneumonia really only kill the elderly or those with already life-threatening symptoms. 

The question to ask is all this we are going through worth it for a rounding error? 

 

 

Ahh...yes.

[edjr 5,591]

hasn't Ed been posting about this for 2 solid months? yes, yes he has

[nzoner 936]

Time for Weird Al to do a parody of an 80's classic titled They're Blinding Us With Science.

[supermike80 1,299]

18 minutes ago, edjr said:

hasn't Ed been posting about this for 2 solid months? yes, yes he has

[Cdub100 3,405]

59 minutes ago, edjr said:

hasn't Ed been posting about this for 2 solid months? yes, yes he has

Yes Ed you have been on it form the beginning. It's nice to have the science catching up to your brilliant mind.

Now it's just getting the "wear the mask" science deniers on board and stop freaking out.

[Mike Honcho 4,053]

20 hours ago, Cdub100 said:

That is how people use stats to lie. 

COVID19 is 5x more deadly than the seasonal flu! OMG WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!! 

One million people that's only 400 more people who probably had an underlying issue to begin with.

The #1 killer in the US is heart disease. #8 Influenza and pneumonia

Assuming all the deaths attributed to COVID are true it moves to #3 Cancer and heart disease kill twice as many people. That being said COVID19, and pneumonia really only kill the elderly or those with already life-threatening symptoms. 

The question to ask is all this we are going through worth it for a rounding error? 

 the only person lying is you, you said: "CDC Study Covid19 less deadly than seasonal flu" that is not remotely true.(tried to warn you with my first post).

Also, just to help you out in the future, anytime you see the word "scenario" included in a list, it generally means the numbers aren't exact.   

[Cdub100 3,405]

3 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

 the only person lying is you, you said: "CDC Study Covid19 less deadly than seasonal flu" that is not remotely true.(tried to warn you with my first post).

COVID19 has killed less people than Pneumonia. So yeah it's less deadly. So how is it not remotely true again?

[Utilit99 4,099]

Vote Donald Trump 2020!!! MAGA!!!

[edjr 5,591]

20 hours ago, Cdub100 said:

Yes Ed you have been on it form the beginning. It's nice to have the science catching up to your brilliant mind.

Now it's just getting the "wear the mask" science deniers on board and stop freaking out.

I've been golfing 4 times since it opened 2 weeks ago. yet to see one mask. I don't think many liberals golf

[Cdub100 3,405]

26 minutes ago, edjr said:

I've been golfing 4 times since it opened 2 weeks ago. yet to see one mask. I don't think many liberals golf

If a business would open as normal I'd love to go. I'm keeping an eye on Disney. If they open with 20-30% crowed capacity and no stupid masks I'm taking the family.

[Utilit99 4,099]

4 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

If a business would open as normal I'd love to go. I'm keeping an eye on Disney. If they open with 20-30% crowed capacity and no stupid masks I'm taking the family.

Hell yeah.

[Cdub100 3,405]

Just now, Utilit99 said:

Hell yeah.

Let all the science deniers stay home scared and watch CNN. Fine by me.

[Strike 4,012]

52 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

If a business would open as normal I'd love to go. I'm keeping an eye on Disney. If they open with 20-30% crowed capacity and no stupid masks I'm taking the family.

Restaurants are opening in CO tomorrow.  Baby steps, I guess.....

[Reality 2,710]

1 hour ago, edjr said:

I've been golfing 4 times since it opened 2 weeks ago. yet to see one mask. I don't think many liberals golf

My experience as well.  Not sure about liberal or conservative but, if you golf with a mask on, I'm going to laugh at you.  Wearing a mask on a gold course would be completely unnecessary. Just like they are many other situations.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

3 minutes ago, Reality said:

My experience as well.  Not sure about liberal or conservative but, if you golf with a mask on, I'm going to laugh at you.  Wearing a mask on a gold course would be completely unnecessary. Just like they are many other situations.

Golfing, running, walking outside of a crowded street, etc. If you aren't going to be in groups, the mask is overkill.

Best one is people wearing them when driving. Who are they protecting in that case?

[Hawkeye21 1,864]

1 hour ago, edjr said:

I've been golfing 4 times since it opened 2 weeks ago. yet to see one mask. I don't think many liberals golf

Why would anyone wear a mask on a golf course?  It's not needed when outside unless your in a crowd of people.

I was in Wisconsin Thursday to Sunday for a fishing trip and they started opening up.  Went to a dive bar Friday night and had a few bars.  They had karaoke going already.  There was one dude there that got so focked up that he was dancing and fell over.  Ended up hitting his head on a bar stool and the bar had to call 911.  Moron.

[edjr 5,591]

42 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Why would anyone wear a mask

Wondering the same thing

[Cdub100 3,405]

37 minutes ago, edjr said:

Wondering the same thing

Maybe it's so they don't catch the deadlier seasonal flu?

[Baker Boy 1,489]

The CDC's New 'Best Estimate' Implies a COVID-19 Infection Fatality Rate Below 0.3%
https://reason.com/2020/05/24/the-cdcs-new-best-estimate-implies-a-covid-19-infection-fatality-rate-below-0-3/

[Hawkeye21 1,864]

17 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

Maybe it's so they don't catch the deadlier seasonal flu?

I don't think anyone can say that for sure yet.  So far I think the data shows that COVID-19 spreads more easily and is more deadly.  I think we all know that data is not complete though and the numbers are going to change.  I don't think anyone can say which is worse with 100% confidence yet.

[Mike Honcho 4,053]

23 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

Maybe it's so they don't catch the deadlier seasonal flu?

Dude, you are wrong, your link says you are wrong, and you repeating the same thing over and over will never change that.

[Cdub100 3,405]

3 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Dude, you are wrong, your link says you are wrong, and you repeating the same thing over and over will never change that.

You telling me I'm wrong over and over again will never change that I've provided data sources. You've provided nothing, but your worthless opinion.

Here's another link. 

https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Sex-Age-and-S/9bhg-hcku/data

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

1 minute ago, Cdub100 said:

You telling me I'm wrong over and over again will never change that I've provided data sources. You've provided nothing, but your worthless opinion.

Here's another link. 

https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Sex-Age-and-S/9bhg-hcku/data

It still doesn't show that the seasonal flu is more deadly

[Hawkeye21 1,864]

2 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

You telling me I'm wrong over and over again will never change that's I've provided data sources. You've provided nothing, but your worthless opinion.

Here's another link. 

https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Sex-Age-and-S/9bhg-hcku/data

Doesn't your link show that COVID has more deaths than influenza?  Like, a lot more.

[Mike Honcho 4,053]

Just now, Cdub100 said:

You telling me I'm wrong over and over again will never change that's I've provided data sources. You've provided nothing, but your worthless opinion.

Here's another link. 

https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Sex-Age-and-S/9bhg-hcku/data

Why would I provide data sources when your own sources say you are wrong.  And this source has a total death by the flu as 6200 and Covid-19 just shy of 69,000.  So thanks again for proving me right, you're great at this.

[Hawkeye21 1,864]

Just now, Mike Honcho said:

Why would I provide data sources when your own sources say you are wrong.  And this source has a total death by the flu as 6200 and Covid-19 just shy of 69,000.  So thanks again for proving me right, you're great at this.

That's what I'm seeing too.  I'm not sure what he's seeing different from us or what data he's using.

[Cdub100 3,405]

 

 

End Week	State	Sex	Age group	COVID-19 Deaths	Total Deaths	Pneumonia Deaths	Pneumonia and COVID-19 Deaths	Influenza Deaths	Pneumonia, Influenza, or COVID-19 Deaths	Footnote
5/16/2020	United States	All Sexes Total	All Ages	68,998	907,069	87,444	30,317	6,223	131,444

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

1 minute ago, Cdub100 said:

 

 

End Week	State	Sex	Age group	COVID-19 Deaths	Total Deaths	Pneumonia Deaths	Pneumonia and COVID-19 Deaths	Influenza Deaths	Pneumonia, Influenza, or COVID-19 Deaths	Footnote
5/16/2020	United States	All Sexes Total	All Ages	68,998	907,069	87,444	30,317	6,223	131,444

Not sure if you know this, but pneumonia is not the seasonal flu. Influenza is.

[Hawkeye21 1,864]

2 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

 

 

End Week	State	Sex	Age group	COVID-19 Deaths	Total Deaths	Pneumonia Deaths	Pneumonia and COVID-19 Deaths	Influenza Deaths	Pneumonia, Influenza, or COVID-19 Deaths	Footnote
5/16/2020	United States	All Sexes Total	All Ages	68,998	907,069	87,444	30,317	6,223	131,444

Why are you using pneumonia deaths?

[Cdub100 3,405]

1 minute ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

Not sure if you know this, but pneumonia is not the seasonal flu. Influenza is.

Not sure if you know this but the most common cause of Pneumonia is seasonal flu.