AxeElf 787 Posted March 19, 2021 Kicker of the longest FG in NFL history goes to the dome in the desert, where he should benefit from a better offense than he had in the Detroit dome. I like it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
polecatt 404 Posted March 26, 2021 Prater is definiely a kicker to target. Justin Tucker is too Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,145 Posted March 26, 2021 I start thinking about kickers on draft day... just after I make my second to last pick in the draft. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jrokh 569 Posted March 26, 2021 I really start thinking about kickers when the bye weeks start, and owners start releasing their kickers to cover the bye week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the spanker 28 Posted March 27, 2021 9 hours ago, jrokh said: I really start thinking about kickers when the bye weeks start, and owners start releasing their kickers to cover the bye week. Not if you have a really good kicker, owners won't release him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jrokh 569 Posted March 27, 2021 4 minutes ago, the spanker said: Not if you have a really good kicker, owners won't release him. They do in my league. Owners don’t want to release a skill player to have to keep 2 kickers for a week. So really the opposite of what you posted... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,485 Posted March 27, 2021 I see kickers get released all the time, only worthy of the last draft pick on anyones ff team. Only reason why I draft one cause I have to. League im now for the last 32 years, non ppr 14 teamer, we’ve been talking about going no kickers. I hope it happens but it hasn’t been received enough league votes to do so, maybe I should call trump to investigate. Always the second to last pick on any ff team, def Thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AxeElf 787 Posted March 27, 2021 3 hours ago, weepaws said: Always the second to last pick on any ff team, def Well, not ALWAYS. I did pick the Bears in the 2nd round of a $250 RTFFC league a couple of years ago (after picking Greg Zeurlein in the 1st round), but I was just showing off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,485 Posted March 27, 2021 Mental break down I’ll say. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrG 94 Posted March 27, 2021 One of my dynasty leagues awards 5 pts for +50 yds so this s—t actually matters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
polecatt 404 Posted March 28, 2021 18 hours ago, AxeElf said: Well, not ALWAYS. I did pick the Bears in the 2nd round of a $250 RTFFC league a couple of years ago (after picking Greg Zeurlein in the 1st round), but I was just showing off. I've done that sort of thing too, I picked the Bucaneers defense with my 2nd round pick back when they had Warren Sapp, it was my first draft. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,485 Posted March 28, 2021 6 hours ago, DrG said: One of my dynasty leagues awards 5 pts for +50 yds so this s—t actually matters. That’s just ridiculous Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Super Cubs 132 Posted March 28, 2021 I have no problem taking a kicker earlier than most. My thought is why not take the starter that I think will have a good year over 6th Rb or Wr that I will most likely end up never starting or cutting? Unless your one of those owners that hit on every pick and win their league every year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,485 Posted March 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Super Cubs said: I have no problem taking a kicker earlier than most. My thought is why not take the starter that I think will have a good year over 6th Rb or Wr that I will most likely end up never starting or cutting? Unless your one of those owners that hit on every pick and win their league every year. And do you hit on the right kicker every year? And aren’t all starting kickers , starters? And if your picking a kicker before taking a sixth rb or wr, then your not really picking one that early then. Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,066 Posted March 28, 2021 If you think about it, if most people in your league pick kicker and defense in the last two rounds, you can pick your kicker and defense in the 3rd and 2nd to last rounds... Especially if your picking toward the back end of the 3rd to last round. If your opponents are all picking kickers and defense, your target will almost assuredly be there in the last round. I usually play in deep leagues so my last 5 rounds don't really matter. I could pass on every round and usually get my sleepers at the end of the draft if I were so inclined. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,485 Posted March 28, 2021 But if you pass on everyone round, you’ll just end up with a bunch of late round sleeper picks. I wouldn’t recommend passing on everyone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Super Cubs 132 Posted March 28, 2021 14 hours ago, weepaws said: And do you hit on the right kicker every year? And aren’t all starting kickers , starters? And if your picking a kicker before taking a sixth rb or wr, then your not really picking one that early then. Thanks. Do I get my kicker right all the time? No. Do I get it right more times than wrong? Yes. Are all kickers starters? Yes and I rather take the kicker I want over a scrub at different position that I will most likely never start or drop. The 6th rb or wr was more so a jab at the self proclaimed experts that never make a wrong pick and win their league every year. Once I have my starters and and every player on the board starts looking the same. I'm not scared to take a kicker. That's usually a few rounds earlier than most in my league. Instead of questioning my logic the correct response should have been "Do you have any openings in your league?". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 597 Posted March 28, 2021 On 3/26/2021 at 7:28 PM, jrokh said: They do in my league. Owners don’t want to release a skill player to have to keep 2 kickers for a week. So really the opposite of what you posted... in my leagues a lot of people will just do one week with no kicker if they do not want to waive him to cover a bye 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,485 Posted March 28, 2021 6 hours ago, Super Cubs said: Do I get my kicker right all the time? No. Do I get it right more times than wrong? Yes. Are all kickers starters? Yes and I rather take the kicker I want over a scrub at different position that I will most likely never start or drop. The 6th rb or wr was more so a jab at the self proclaimed experts that never make a wrong pick and win their league every year. Once I have my starters and and every player on the board starts looking the same. I'm not scared to take a kicker. That's usually a few rounds earlier than most in my league. Instead of questioning my logic the correct response should have been "Do you have any openings in your league?". No I rather question your logic. I don’t need to play In a extra ff league. 14 team non ppr league is enough. Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,485 Posted March 28, 2021 56 minutes ago, Ray_T said: in my leagues a lot of people will just do one week with no kicker if they do not want to waive him to cover a bye That happens a lot. . But not in my 14 team non ppr league, if you have an empty spot you lose, and pay the last place weekly payment. No empty spots. Like it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kopy 493 Posted March 29, 2021 On 3/27/2021 at 3:59 PM, DrG said: One of my dynasty leagues awards 5 pts for +50 yds so this s—t actually matters. We do decimal yardage scoring. 30 yards is 3 pts. 45 yards is 4.5 pts. 53 yards would be 5.3 points. Ect. Ect. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
polecatt 404 Posted March 29, 2021 On 3/27/2021 at 3:59 PM, DrG said: One of my dynasty leagues awards 5 pts for +50 yds so this s—t actually matters. I'm in one where over 50 yds is 10 pts, and over 40 is 7 pts. It's just like the TDs, big bonus for TDs over 40 and 50 yds. So if you get a kicker that hits more than one 50 yarder in a game, you can get pretty big points. It doesn't happen a lot, but it happens. I won't say it makes kickers a priority but it certainly makes it worthwhile to take one of the top ones Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the spanker 28 Posted April 1, 2021 On 3/26/2021 at 8:28 PM, jrokh said: They do in my league. Owners don’t want to release a skill player to have to keep 2 kickers for a week. So really the opposite of what you posted... You're speaking for your league, not all leagues. In my league it's the opposite of what you posted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the spanker 28 Posted April 1, 2021 On 3/28/2021 at 3:27 PM, Ray_T said: in my leagues a lot of people will just do one week with no kicker if they do not want to waive him to cover a bye This is what happens in my league too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
polecatt 404 Posted April 1, 2021 17 hours ago, the spanker said: This is what happens in my league too. My league has a rule where you can't do that, you must start an active player in each slot. People have tried that, but we had a playoff spot supposedly decided one season because somebody left a spot empty and their opponent won the game by something like 2 pts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,485 Posted April 2, 2021 18 hours ago, the spanker said: You're speaking for your league, not all leagues. In my league it's the opposite of what you posted. In my league they do, so in my league it’s the opposite of your league. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,485 Posted April 2, 2021 21 hours ago, the spanker said: This is what happens in my league too. Not a good ideal in my league, all starting slots must be filled, your you take a lost. Plus it cost you weekly list place money, my league does the opposite of your league. Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
makindollaz 40 Posted April 2, 2021 If it’s the 14th round of a 16 round draft, it’s still too early to be thinking about kickers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AxeElf 787 Posted April 2, 2021 1 hour ago, makindollaz said: If it’s the 14th round of a 16 round draft, it’s still too early to be thinking about kickers. Don't come crying to me when you get stuck with Jake Elliott. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,485 Posted April 3, 2021 Jake Elliot was a great stream week 3 . Then stream gain week four. Kickers should be the last pick in every situation, until then it’s way to early to draft one Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,066 Posted April 3, 2021 I drafted James Robinson in the second to last round last year... In May. I promise you I could've gotten James Robinson off the waiver wire. I could've taken a kicker there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AxeElf 787 Posted April 3, 2021 18 minutes ago, nobody said: I drafted James Robinson in the second to last round last year... In May. I promise you I could've gotten James Robinson off the waiver wire. I could've taken a kicker there. The best way to avoid living with regret is to learn from our mistakes so they never happen again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 597 Posted April 3, 2021 28 minutes ago, AxeElf said: The best way to avoid living with regret is to learn from our mistakes so they never happen again. or just drink more beer.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,066 Posted April 3, 2021 1 hour ago, AxeElf said: The best way to avoid living with regret is to learn from our mistakes so they never happen again. What was the mistake? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AxeElf 787 Posted April 3, 2021 11 hours ago, nobody said: What was the mistake? You said you could have gotten a kicker in the penultimate round, and then gotten Robinson off the waiver wire. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,066 Posted April 3, 2021 5 hours ago, AxeElf said: You said you could have gotten a kicker in the penultimate round, and then gotten Robinson off the waiver wire. Are you advocating that would've been the move to make or to not make it? My point was that I gave away kicker value by taking a guy I could've gotten later there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,485 Posted April 3, 2021 19 hours ago, nobody said: I drafted James Robinson in the second to last round last year... In May. I promise you I could've gotten James Robinson off the waiver wire. I could've taken a kicker there. Any time a kicker is taken with ones last draft pick, it’s a smart move, and the right move. Its always to early to think about drafting a kicker before ones last pick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,066 Posted April 3, 2021 1 hour ago, weepaws said: Any time a kicker is taken with ones last draft pick, it’s a smart move, and the right move. Its always to early to think about drafting a kicker before ones last pick. I get that that's traditional thinking. What I'm telling you is that's not optimal. We're all here posting about FF kickers in April. We are the people that should be thinking about optimal strategy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jrokh 569 Posted April 3, 2021 21 hours ago, nobody said: I drafted James Robinson in the second to last round last year... In May. I promise you I could've gotten James Robinson off the waiver wire. I could've taken a kicker there. If you drafted Robinson how can you possibly know you could’ve gotten him off the wire? He was a starting RB, who had 16 carries and 90 total yards week 1. You would’ve had to have the first waiver claim or spent a ton of faab to get him? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,066 Posted April 3, 2021 He wasn't a starting running back in May. No one even heard of him in May. I just like watching YouTube videos of rookie runningbacks and thought he was pretty good so I picked him up in a very very very deep league. The point was, I could be very sure I was the only person in the league at that time interested in James Robinson so I could've gotten a kicker there and circled back around for a James Robinson in the last round. It might be 0.1% positive value to do something like that, but that's my point about us freaks talking about kickers in April. We're the guys that are probably more sophisticated players, so we should be thinking about game theory optimal plays to squeeze out that 0.1% For instance, if you know most people in your league are going to take a kicker in the last round and/or you have either a sleeper that's so in a coma that no one is going to draft him or you have a late pick in the penultimate round, you can get your preferred kicker in that round if you so chose. That's a sophisticated play that takes advantage of the conventional wisdom. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites