LoOnAtIk 75 Posted May 20, 2021 What in the world.... https://www.google.com/amp/s/profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/05/20/jamaal-williams-looks-to-be-the-main-tailback-in-the-new-lions-offense/amp/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AxeElf 787 Posted May 20, 2021 It makes sense; Lynn had both Gordon (as the "lead back") and Ekeler (as the "guy in space") with San Diego. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted May 20, 2021 Hilarious, there he goes again killing fantasy players hopes and dreams. Swift gonna be good I’m thinking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,117 Posted May 20, 2021 1 hour ago, LoOnAtIk said: What in the world.... https://www.google.com/amp/s/profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/05/20/jamaal-williams-looks-to-be-the-main-tailback-in-the-new-lions-offense/amp/ Well, if there was any doubt as to why Lynn was fired in San Diego... it's gone now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,042 Posted May 20, 2021 I'm a Jamaal Williams investor in dynasty and I can tell you that this makes no sense. Williams is a plodder. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,460 Posted May 20, 2021 I can’t see how this is going to take place, but I do expect for Swift to not be has ff productive as some think because of J Will. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LoOnAtIk 75 Posted May 21, 2021 I don’t expect the lions to be any good next year. This probably makes Swift a DND for me. Even if it’s just smoke, I’m not calling that bluff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,460 Posted May 21, 2021 At Swift’s current ADP I don’t see me getting him. His value right now is to high for me when the lions hired J Will. But I still see Swift being the Lions Rb1 , but a 1a 1b type of situation might indeed take place. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AxeElf 787 Posted May 21, 2021 56 minutes ago, LoOnAtIk said: I don’t expect the lions to be any good next year. That's what makes Amon-Ra St. Brown one of the more intriguing rookie WRs. Goff has a history of feeding his slot receivers, and it's not like Breshad Perriman and Tyrell Williams are studs. If they're playing from behind a lot, someone's going to get targets. St. Brown isn't necessarily a blue-chip talent, but he's got opportunity in spades. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrG 94 Posted May 22, 2021 Reminds of Lyn hyping Tyrod Taylor over the the #1 franchise QB either the rocket arm. Not good news for Lions fans. Downgrade at QB and anew coach who hypes the wrong guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DocNiner 44 Posted May 26, 2021 On 5/20/2021 at 5:36 PM, nobody said: I'm a Jamaal Williams investor in dynasty and I can tell you that this makes no sense. Williams is a plodder. Agreed. Once the season rolling and Lynn see what kind of back he has in Swift I think he'll change his tune a bit and Williams will be nothing more.than to spell Swift, short yardage and goal line back. Williams will not be 1a. It'll be the other way around. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
polecatt 403 Posted May 26, 2021 Have the Lions had a reliable fantasy RB since Barry Sanders? Sure, they've had a guy here and there with a decent season, but they rarely have a RB that is worth more than a flex spot. They have had plenty of RBs that looked like they were gonna take off due to them having a good QB and passing game most of the time. It usually breaks down to a RBBC. Yeah, Swift looks promising, but I wouldn't be shocked if the trend continues. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AxeElf 787 Posted May 26, 2021 3 hours ago, DocNiner said: Agreed. Once the season rolling and Lynn see what kind of back he has in Swift I think he'll change his tune a bit and Williams will be nothing more.than to spell Swift, short yardage and goal line back. Williams will not be 1a. It'll be the other way around. Lynn considers the short yardage/goalline/pass blocking plodder to be his 1A. The speedy guy to get the ball in space is his 1B. Sounds like the 1A would be the guy to have in standard scoring, and the 1B would be more suited to PPR scoring (not that I would want either of them as a regular starter). "Jamaal is what I'd call a classic 'A' back," Lynn told Chris Burke and Nick Baumgardner of The Athletic. "I like to break the backs down into 'A' and 'B'. My 'A' backs are normally my bigger backs. They can run between the tackles, block probably a little better than a 'B' back, they can also run the perimeter. I can leave those guys in there for all three downs." "My 'B' back comes in, he's a guy that sometimes I want to use in space more," Lynn said. "He's my speed-in-space guy." "I feel like Jamaal would be an outstanding 'A' back. I like his energy, I like his pad level and the way he runs the football between the tackles." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,460 Posted May 26, 2021 4 hours ago, DocNiner said: Agreed. Once the season rolling and Lynn see what kind of back he has in Swift I think he'll change his tune a bit and Williams will be nothing more.than to spell Swift, short yardage and goal line back. Williams will not be 1a. It'll be the other way around. At Swift current adp I would rather target J Williams. I think there is more to it than those that have a lot invested with Swift want to believe. I can easily see a 1a and 1b situation, as for me I’m in a 14 team non ppr, I’ll take the goal line guy that right now at the current adp is the better value. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobSanders_33 127 Posted May 27, 2021 9 hours ago, AxeElf said: Lynn considers the short yardage/goalline/pass blocking plodder to be his 1A. The speedy guy to get the ball in space is his 1B. Sounds like the 1A would be the guy to have in standard scoring, and the 1B would be more suited to PPR scoring (not that I would want either of them as a regular starter). "Jamaal is what I'd call a classic 'A' back," Lynn told Chris Burke and Nick Baumgardner of The Athletic. "I like to break the backs down into 'A' and 'B'. My 'A' backs are normally my bigger backs. They can run between the tackles, block probably a little better than a 'B' back, they can also run the perimeter. I can leave those guys in there for all three downs." "My 'B' back comes in, he's a guy that sometimes I want to use in space more," Lynn said. "He's my speed-in-space guy." "I feel like Jamaal would be an outstanding 'A' back. I like his energy, I like his pad level and the way he runs the football between the tackles." He will probably run Jammal Williams "until he pukes". This is just preseason talk and I hope it tanks Swift's ADP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,460 Posted May 27, 2021 Could be preseason talk, might not be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AxeElf 787 Posted May 27, 2021 1 hour ago, BobSanders_33 said: He will probably run Jammal Williams "until he pukes". This is just preseason talk and I hope it tanks Swift's ADP. It is indeed talk, and it is indeed the preseason. However, it fits with what we know Lynn to have done with the Chargers, so it has more credibility than, say, Kyle Pitts having the best rookie TE season ever. If Swift is the Austin Ekeler of the Lions, so be it. Ekeler had some good years in that system. It remains to be seen if the Lions' offense can function as highly as the Chargers' did. But it sounds legit that Williams will be the Melvin Gordon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LoOnAtIk 75 Posted May 28, 2021 Lions working out Gurley I think. Wtf is up with Swift? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,042 Posted May 28, 2021 19 minutes ago, LoOnAtIk said: Lions working out Gurley I think. Wtf is up with Swift? Doesn't bite enough kneecaps I guess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lesjroza 70 Posted May 28, 2021 24 minutes ago, LoOnAtIk said: Lions working out Gurley I think. Wtf is up with Swift? I am NOT saying this is what is going on in this case, or any particular case, but as prop gambling, $$$ fantasy football become larger and more prevalent is there a chance some of these front office types manipulate odds/ADPs intentionally? Its hard not to look at tweets/posts/articles regarding Bitcoin, Doge, stocks, etc and not come to the conclusion there is a great deal of image manipulation for profit happenin. Why won't or hasn't it happened in the NFL? An NFL front office/coaching staff at this point can affect a large amount of $$$ flows without ever impacting their teams performance on the field with these and other types of moves/comments. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,460 Posted June 3, 2021 Read today that the Lions coach said they are truly interested in Gurley. N Also Lynn said hot hand approach for the Rbs, not good news for Swift owners. Or just more coach talk. Mmmm. The blot thickens. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrG 94 Posted June 3, 2021 I expect Lyn will coach his way out of Detroit just as he did in LA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,460 Posted June 3, 2021 I would expect the same. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,042 Posted June 4, 2021 Hot hand approach should help Swift. Williams has never had a hot hand and Gurley is washed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AxeElf 787 Posted June 4, 2021 40 minutes ago, nobody said: Williams has never had a hot hand... On November 26, 2017, Jamaal Williams posted 29.5 PPR fantasy points (135 yards from scrimmage, 4 receptions, 2 TDs). Two weeks later, on December 10, he posted 30.8 PPR fantasy points (118 yards from scrimmage, 7 receptions, 2 TDs). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,460 Posted June 4, 2021 Last season week 12 both he and A Jones played, Williams out scored him non ppr 13-9. Horrible team this season and this talk about hot hand for the Rbs , I don’t think at his current ADP Swift is worth it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,042 Posted June 5, 2021 3 hours ago, AxeElf said: On November 26, 2017, Jamaal Williams posted 29.5 PPR fantasy points (135 yards from scrimmage, 4 receptions, 2 TDs). Two weeks later, on December 10, he posted 30.8 PPR fantasy points (118 yards from scrimmage, 7 receptions, 2 TDs). LOL I saw the little notification pop up and I said to myself, I bet that's either AxeElf or weepaws taking that Jamaal Williams never had a hot-hand tongue-in-cheek comment super literally. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AxeElf 787 Posted June 5, 2021 2 hours ago, nobody said: LOL I saw the little notification pop up and I said to myself, I bet that's either AxeElf or weepaws taking that Jamaal Williams never had a hot-hand tongue-in-cheek comment super literally. Oh no, I realized you meant the complete opposite the first time I read it. I was just agreeing with you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,042 Posted June 5, 2021 9 hours ago, AxeElf said: Oh no, I realized you meant the complete opposite the first time I read it. I was just agreeing with you. So is your point that Jamaal had a good game 4 years ago so if Detroit rides the hot hand Swift investors need to worry? You Aspergers guys are really literal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AxeElf 787 Posted June 5, 2021 5 hours ago, nobody said: So is your point that Jamaal had a good game 4 years ago so if Detroit rides the hot hand Swift investors need to worry? You Aspergers guys are really literal. No, my point was that whoever claimed that Jamaal Williams had never had a hot hand was incorrect. You asparagus guys are really illiterate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,460 Posted June 5, 2021 On 6/4/2021 at 1:59 PM, nobody said: Hot hand approach should help Swift. Williams has never had a hot hand and Gurley is washed. I agree that it should help Swift, he’s the more talented player and we’ll see more how this situation is going to play out during the preseason, but J Williams as had a few very good ff games, I don’t think highly of any Lions player for ff this season, have you seen their over all offensive roster, so you said you own J Williams in a keeper league, I think you own a good back up that could be worth even more as the season goes forward. Lyn is a wild card type of couch and hard to get handle of how he’s going to use his players , so I’m not putting a lot of stock into what’s he said about basically rotating the two Rbs but I’m listening. My reply to you about him out scoring Jones week 12 was just for your informational use. Your welcome for the help. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kopy 491 Posted June 7, 2021 On 5/26/2021 at 10:02 AM, polecatt said: Have the Lions had a reliable fantasy RB since Barry Sanders? Sure, they've had a guy here and there with a decent season, but they rarely have a RB that is worth more than a flex spot. They have had plenty of RBs that looked like they were gonna take off due to them having a good QB and passing game most of the time. It usually breaks down to a RBBC. Yeah, Swift looks promising, but I wouldn't be shocked if the trend continues. I was an insanely, huuuuuuuuuge Kevin Jones backer. I messed up on that one Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,117 Posted June 7, 2021 2 hours ago, Kopy said: I was an insanely, huuuuuuuuuge Kevin Jones backer. I messed up on that one Some teams you just have to assume the worst in some area's. The Lions are a team that, if they're drafting an RB, he's the bust when you look and try to find out which RB's will be a bust in the draft. Tampa is like that for QB's. The Broncos are like that for WR's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LoOnAtIk 75 Posted June 8, 2021 On 5/26/2021 at 10:02 AM, polecatt said: Have the Lions had a reliable fantasy RB since Barry Sanders? Sure, they've had a guy here and there with a decent season, but they rarely have a RB that is worth more than a flex spot. They have had plenty of RBs that looked like they were gonna take off due to them having a good QB and passing game most of the time. It usually breaks down to a RBBC. Yeah, Swift looks promising, but I wouldn't be shocked if the trend continues. Excellent observation. They've had literally only 3 RBs eclipse 1,000 yards rushing since Barry. James Stewart Kevin Jones Reggie Bush LOL yikes Add to that they haven't had anyone crack 700 rushing yards since Joique Bell in 2014. WOW. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
polecatt 403 Posted June 8, 2021 5 hours ago, LoOnAtIk said: Excellent observation. They've had literally only 3 RBs eclipse 1,000 yards rushing since Barry. James Stewart Kevin Jones Reggie Bush LOL yikes Add to that they haven't had anyone crack 700 rushing yards since Joique Bell in 2014. WOW. Three? That's more than I could remember, lol Yes, I remember Joique Bell, he was an excellent low value PPR RB there for about 2 years. He was staple on my dynasty team that won back to back championships in 2013-14. He caught like 40-50 passes, had about 1100-1200 total yards and scored like 8 total TDs each season. He was really just a glorified goal line RB that caught some passes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
polecatt 403 Posted June 8, 2021 20 hours ago, Kopy said: I was an insanely, huuuuuuuuuge Kevin Jones backer. I messed up on that one Yeah, at one point I thought Ameer Abdullah was gonna be Jamaal Charles 2.0. We've all been duped by the Lions at some point, nothing to be ashamed of Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Football Guru 212 Posted June 8, 2021 I just added Jamaal in the 12th round of a $250 dynasty startup earlier today, so I will not tolerate any JW bashing moving forward If anyone is interested, I'll share the results of the draft when it is over. Jamaal is easily the worst player on my team and I'm not so sure he won't be a good flex option on occasion this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LoOnAtIk 75 Posted June 8, 2021 3 hours ago, polecatt said: Three? That's more than I could remember, lol Yes, I remember Joique Bell, he was an excellent low value PPR RB there for about 2 years. He was staple on my dynasty team that won back to back championships in 2013-14. He caught like 40-50 passes, had about 1100-1200 total yards and scored like 8 total TDs each season. He was really just a glorified goal line RB that caught some passes. Everyone loves Joique Bell lol he was a fantasy and real life fan favorite. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,460 Posted June 8, 2021 I do think Mr Williams landed in a good spot for his career. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites