If anyone gave a chit about MLB, we'd be discussing Gerrit Cole

[edjr 5,567]

 

and what a dirty cheater he is. 

2021    $36 million
2022    $36 million
2023    $36 million
2024    $36 million
2025    $36 million
2026    $36 million
2027    $36 million
2028    $36 million

 

OOF

 

MLB is such a joke.

 

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Granted, this is not an issue that solely concerns the Yankees ace. We are witnessing another year of the pitcher, with offense at record-low levels — if the season ended today it would have the highest league strikeout rate ever and the lowest batting average since, you guessed it, 1968. And so MLB has identified foreign substances and their performance enhancing effect for pitchers as the biggest league transgression since the Astros and Red Sox sign-stealing scandals and the PED era.

It has long been known that velocity and movement are the core components of a pitch’s success. More and more now, it is understood that movement plays a superior role in making a pitch unhittable. With the introduction and dissemination of pitch tracking technologies, pitchers have a much clearer picture of how spin affects movement, so naturally a pitcher who wanted to increase movement and thus effectiveness of their pitches would try to maximize spin.

There are a handful of avenues to optimize spin — many of them involving biomechanic adjustments — however the route that yields the most immediate and significant results is increasing one’s grip on the baseball. Eno Sarris of The Athletic detailed how pitchers are using sticky substances to increase the spin of their pitches. Trevor Bauer claimed in 2018 that pitchers could boost their spin rates by as much as 300 RPMs in one start just by applying a sticky substance — and then went so far as to conduct a one-game experiment to prove his case (to speak nothing of the suspicious increase in spin rate starting in 2020).

Now Gerrit Cole finds himself at the center of this league-wide discourse, though it is not the first time he has been implicated. Bauer accused Cole of using foreign substances after the former Pirate and Astro arrived in Houston. Ex-Angels visiting clubhouse manager Bubba Harkins named Cole among those to whom Harkins provided grip enhancers. And now, Josh Donaldson singled out Cole and his conspicuous drop in RPMs in a start following the suspension of four minor leaguers for ball doctoring.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 12,650]

Just another Brian Cashman pitching disaster, on the way. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,584]

Speaking of NY pitchers

Degrom is having quite possibly the best season ever

[Cloaca du jour 2,064]

Spider tech...spider tech...does whatever a spider tech can

[edjr 5,567]

7 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Speaking of NY pitchers

Degrom is having quite possibly the best season ever

He cheats too

[edjr 5,567]

13 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Just another Brian Cashman pitching disaster, on the way. 

Was the Danny Ainge of MLB, 1 title in 20 years and still has a job

[Hardcore troubadour 12,650]

1 minute ago, edjr said:

Was the Danny Ainge of MLB, 1 title in 20 years and still has a job

If you ask me it’s his only title. Gene Michael built the dynasty. Cashman just spent some money. Much of it poorly. 

[edjr 5,567]

324 million doesn't buy you what it used to. The yankees were duped into paying 324 million for a #3 starter.

[supermike80 1,286]

When are the teams going to realize these big $$ contract are just a waste?

 

[edjr 5,567]

Just now, supermike80 said:

When are the teams going to realize these big $$ contract are just a waste?

 

Even with cheating these contracts are a waste. The mlb teams with money are some of the dumbest sports teams of all the major sports, right up there with Dallas

[Cruzer 1,992]

7 hours ago, supermike80 said:

When are the teams going to realize these big $$ contract are just a waste?

When fans stop paying hundreds of $$ to attend games, when fans stop paying thousands of $$ in licensing fees and shiit for season tickets, when fans stop buying merchandise, when fans stop showing up. 

[Gepetto 988]

I had read about this spin rate with Gerrit Cole months ago and almost posted it here, but didn't feel there was enough momentum with it being investigated or proven to bother plus I don't give a fock about baseball anymore.  Good to see it's becoming known to the masses.

[supermike80 1,286]

7 hours ago, Cruzer said:

When fans stop paying hundreds of $$ to attend games, when fans stop paying thousands of $$ in licensing fees and shiit for season tickets, when fans stop buying merchandise, when fans stop showing up. 

I disagree...youd think greedy owners would just keep the extra $$. 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

ed posts after every bad Cole outing.  Once every 5 starts.  The other 4 are outstanding. 

 

[edjr 5,567]

2 hours ago, TimmySmith said:

ed posts after every bad Cole outing.  Once every 5 starts.  The other 4 are outstanding. 

 

era went from 1.78 to 2.66 since he was banned from cheating.

14 Earned runs (9 HR allowed) in his last 31 innings in his last 5 starts.  He had allowed 5 all year until then. OOF

[TimmySmith 2,782]

45 minutes ago, edjr said:

era went from 1.78 to 2.66 since he was banned from cheating.

14 Earned runs (9 HR allowed) in his last 31 innings in his last 5 starts.  He had allowed 5 all year until then. OOF

  2 runs or less allowed in 5 of last 7 starts.  3 wins, 2 blown losses by bullpen, 2 losses.  Terrible. 

[bostonlager 2,463]

Jesse Winker will win the MVP

[TBayXXXVII 2,117]

3 hours ago, TimmySmith said:

ed posts after every bad Cole outing.  Once every 5 starts.  The other 4 are outstanding. 

 

You mean like the Tatis Jr thread?    

[Cruzer 1,992]

5 hours ago, supermike80 said:

I disagree...youd think greedy owners would just keep the extra $$. 

W/out the fans, there is no extra money. Tickets, concessions, parking, merchandise - that's just the start of it. 

Once that domino falls, then the tv contracts dry up - bye, bye "extra money". 

[edjr 5,567]

1 hour ago, TimmySmith said:

  2 runs or less allowed in 5 of last 7 starts.  3 wins, 2 blown losses by bullpen, 2 losses.  Terrible. 

last 5 were sans sticky stuff. Nice try though

[edjr 5,567]

58 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

You mean like the Tatis Jr thread?    

Still overpaid. That will age well

[TBayXXXVII 2,117]

10 minutes ago, edjr said:

Still overpaid. That will age well

I'm curious.  What are you basing that on?  That he won't be worth his $37M contract in 8 years?

[Hardcore troubadour 12,650]

Poor Ed. Even with all the Red Sox success he has seen in his life the Yankees still haunt him. Sad. 

[supermike80 1,286]

1 hour ago, Cruzer said:

W/out the fans, there is no extra money. Tickets, concessions, parking, merchandise - that's just the start of it. 

Once that domino falls, then the tv contracts dry up - bye, bye "extra money". 

Don't need to over pay players to get fans.  

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

21 hours ago, edjr said:

Even with cheating these contracts are a waste. The mlb teams with money are some of the dumbest sports teams of all the major sports, right up there with Dallas

I would argue football teams are worse. The Eagles just hired a coach with zero spread offense experience. He then hired an OC without any spread experience.

How many times do teams with a stud qb ignore the oline for years? Football teams are the worst

[JustinCharge 2,397]

1 hour ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I'm curious.  What are you basing that on?  That he won't be worth his $37M contract in 8 years?

Basing it on a chronic shoulder injury and he keeps missing time.  He's fragile.  Tatis is a unique athlete in that he could potentially be the best hitter in baseball but he keeps getting hurt and suffers from a major chronic injury.  That contract is a joke given the particulars.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

On 6/12/2021 at 9:09 AM, Hardcore troubadour said:

If you ask me it’s his only title. Gene Michael built the dynasty. Cashman just spent some money. Much of it poorly. 

The Yankees VERY clearly had a winning formula in the late 1990s but it very obviously changed in the early 2000s.  That doesn't line up with Gene Michael nor Brian Cashman though.  Someone else must have lost power in the organization at that time. 

[Hardcore troubadour 12,650]

2 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

The Yankees VERY clearly had a winning formula in the late 1990s but it very obviously changed in the early 2000s.  That doesn't line up with Gene Michael nor Brian Cashman though.  Someone else must have lost power in the organization at that time. 

Huh? The core of the Yankee team in the early 2000’s was still Gene Michael. Williams, Jeter, Posada, Mariano, Pettite. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,117]

14 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

Basing it on a chronic shoulder injury and he keeps missing time.  He's fragile.  Tatis is a unique athlete in that he could potentially be the best hitter in baseball but he keeps getting hurt and suffers from a major chronic injury.  That contract is a joke given the particulars.

MLB teams generally equate 1 WAR being worth $7M. I think it's safe to assume that over his contact, the number will eventually be $8M.  So, let's assume $7.5M for the duration of his contact.  If we take his $330M deal and divide that by $7.5, we get the expected production of 44 WAR.

After 61 games, he's at 3.8.  So his expected WAR this year, at the midpoint is 7.6.  If he does that for the next 5 years, the last 8 years of the contract are a bonus.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

The late-1990s Yankees were so dominant because of their incredible bullpen.  They turned every game into a 5 inning game.  If you didn't beat their starter in the first 5 innings, that bullpen was coming in to slam the door.  The biggest key to an elite bullpen is the stud lefty reliever.  They had Mike Stanton back there for years.  Also Graeme LLoyd when he was good.  They had TWO of them.  That's like "ok, forget about it.  They are champs.  Never mind."

Then Stanton left and they never replaced him.  And they became just another team.

They eventually found another one in Andrew Miller.  But instead of using him as the mid-game rally-killer, they made him closer, which is horrifically bad management.  Then they TRADE HIM AWAY to the Indians.  Tito knows exactly what to do with him and brings him in the middle of the game to wipe out any rallies.  Miller strapped the Indians on his back and nearly carried them to the title in 2016.  The Indians were set but in a huge stroke of bad luck, Miller suffers multiple major injuries and never has that killer career.

Then the Yankees find another stud lefty reliever in Aroldis Chapman.  They've got it!  Again!  And they eff it up by making him a closer instead of the mid-game rally-killer.

Yankees are total garbage right now.  A joke. I laugh at them.  The Yankees clearly do not know the game of baseball anymore. 

None of this I attribute to Cashman or Gene Michael.  That doesn't even compute. 

[edjr 5,567]

How many times has poor George rolled over in his grave? How do cashman and boone still have jobs? 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

3 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

MLB teams generally equate 1 WAR being worth $7M. If we assume that over his contact, the number will eventually be $8M.  So, let's assume $7.5M for the duration of his contact.  If we take his $330M deal and divide that by $7.5, we get the expected production of 44 WAR.

After 61 games, he's at 3.8.  So his expected WAR this year, at the midpoint is 7.6.  If he does that for the next 5 years, the last 8 years of the contract are a bonus.

I had not heard they valued it like that, but I think the reality is closer to $4M.  Trout has a ridiculous average of 9 and he is sitting at 35 per, which I think is right. Obviously it will rise a bit, but not that much.  

[Hardcore troubadour 12,650]

7 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

The late-1990s Yankees were so dominant because of their incredible bullpen.  They turned every game into a 5 inning game.  If you didn't beat their starter in the first 5 innings, that bullpen was coming in to slam the door.  The biggest key to an elite bullpen is the stud lefty reliever.  They had Mike Stanton back there for years.  Also Graeme LLoyd when he was good.  They had TWO of them.  That's like "ok, forget about it.  They are champs.  Never mind."

Then Stanton left and they never replaced him.  And they became just another team.

They eventually found another one in Andrew Miller.  But instead of using him as the mid-game rally-killer, they made him closer, which is horrifically bad management.  Then they TRADE HIM AWAY to the Indians.  Tito knows exactly what to do with him and brings him in the middle of the game to wipe out any rallies.  Miller strapped the Indians on his back and nearly carried them to the title in 2016.  The Indians were set but in a huge stroke of bad luck, Miller suffers multiple major injuries and never has that killer career.

Then the Yankees find another stud lefty reliever in Aroldis Chapman.  They've got it!  Again!  And they eff it up by making him a closer instead of the mid-game rally-killer.

Yankees are total garbage right now.  A joke. I laugh at them.  The Yankees clearly do not know the game of baseball anymore. 

None of this I attribute to Cashman or Gene Michael.  That doesn't even compute. 

The Yankees were strong everywhere. The rotation went four deep and they could hit, field and had a great bullpen. Please don’t tell me about that team. Thanks. 

[Hardcore troubadour 12,650]

3 minutes ago, edjr said:

How many times has poor George rolled over in his grave? How do cashman and boone still have jobs? 

Completely agree. Boone has the job becisse Cashman went the analytic route and Boone, with zero experience, said he would. Cashman is a failure. Not a complete failure, but one none the mess. All George’s boy cares about is making money. And they do so it’s all good. 

[Hardcore troubadour 12,650]

23 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

The Yankees VERY clearly had a winning formula in the late 1990s but it very obviously changed in the early 2000s.  That doesn't line up with Gene Michael nor Brian Cashman though.  Someone else must have lost power in the organization at that time. 

They went to the WS in 2000, 2001, 2003. Stop. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

7 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

They went to the WS in 2000, 2001, 2003. Stop. 

They had Stanton in the bullpen back then. Stop.  You are also moving goalposts, going from "dynasty level franchise" to "just make the WS".  Stop doing that, too.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,650]

2 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

They had Stanton in the bullpen back then. Stop.  You are also moving goalposts, going from "dynasty level franchise" to "just make the WS".  Stop doing that, too.

You said something changed  in the early 2000’s. Not really. They lost a game 7 and a game 6 in the WS.  Gene Michaels fingerprints were still all over those teams.  Still won a lot of games. 

[edjr 5,567]

13 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Completely agree. Boone has the job becisse Cashman went the analytic route and Boone, with zero experience, said he would. Cashman is a failure. Not a complete failure, but one none the mess. All George’s boy cares about is making money. And they do so it’s all good. 

MLB misses George desperately. The beta cuck owners of the red sox make me sick. John Henry definitely watches other men fock his wife.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,650]

Stanton was gone after 2002. They Yankees went to the next WS and the next two ALCS. 

[Hardcore troubadour 12,650]

4 minutes ago, edjr said:

MLB misses George desperately. The beta cuck owners of the red sox make me sick. John Henry definitely watches other men fock his wife.

Here’s the deal: The Yankees spend enough to be in it till the end. They have to. They need to sell tickets at a huge clip and more importantly get ratings on their network, much like the Red Sox. Unlike the Red Sox, all of George’s kids split the pot, plus the minority owners. They want to get paid and DGAF if the Yankees win a WS. That why you won’t see a rebuilding effort in the Bronx.  No one is filling up the stadium in August and September to check out the prospects. They didn’t in the early 90’s either when the young guys were coming up.