Aaron Rodgers test postive for Covid - Out Sunday against KC

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3 minutes ago, lod001 said:

He's a retard and once again...WRONG.

So you haven’t made posts claiming the covid vaccine causes ADE and suggested it has killed hundreds of thousands of people or more?

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2 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

I figured bro, but I gave him credit for being right once, cause honestly I dont read every response but hadn't seen a single anti-vaxxer, but thought he must have some secret hidden post from you

I've destroyed him so thoroughly that all he has left is making stuff up.

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19 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

actually, vaccines don't prevent you from getting it.  They prevent you from suffering the most serious forms of the disease.                                                            

Any instances of people getting the Polio vaccine and subsequently contracting Polio? 

Chicken Pox? 

Small Pox? 

Serious question.

 

ETA: more importantly, any instances of anybody having gotten over those and subsequently being vaccinated against them?

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Just now, lod001 said:

I've destroyed him so thoroughly that all he has left is making stuff up.

Lol why don’t you post the same story about someone dying after the covid vaccine for the 4th time.

Although to be clear, I am mostly referring to being anti-covid vaccine, not anti-all vaccines

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2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

So you haven’t made posts claiming the covid vaccine causes ADE and suggested it has killed hundreds of thousands of people or more?

Its not a vaccine, retard. Before they changed the definition of 'vaccine' it did not fit the definition....which is why they changed the definition.

Chock up another loss for you.

Calling something a 'vaccine' does not make it a vaccine. They call it a vaccine to fool tards like you.

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3 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

I agree with your first paragraph. 

I have not been vaccinated against anything since I was a kid. I got Chicken Pox as a kid. Never took a vaccine for it afterward. 

I've never gotten a flu shot and can't remember ever having the flu. I haven't gotten a Wu-flu shot because I don't need one. 

If you have a sh!tty immune system, get the shot. Otherwise you're better off without it. 

thats exactly where I am, had CP as well as most people our age did naturally so I agree

I got the flu shot once, the only year I ever got the flu (coincidence I will grant it even)

agree with the last two lines as well

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4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

So you haven’t made posts claiming the covid vaccine causes ADE and suggested it has killed hundreds of thousands of people or more?

regardless of what he thinks, about that, it still doesn't making him an Anti-vaxxer

 

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MDC’s wife has a co-morbidity.  She should get the vax for sure. People in good health probably don’t need it. 

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24 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

How long has the mumps vaccine been around, how many mumps vaccines have been administered and how many people have contracted mumps after having been vaccinated? 

There have been mumps outbreaks in the NHL, including among vaccinated players - https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/nhl-mumps-outbreak-7-big-questions-answered-1.2873761

Most other vaccines weren’t developed in the middle of a pandemic when the disease was prevalent in the whole country.  So when the disease prevalence is low to begin with, there will be few breakthrough infections.  The closest is probably polio which had far fewer cases than covid and apparently the initial vaccine was only 60-70% effective at preventing some types of polio - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccine

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2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Lol why don’t you post the same story about someone dying after the covid vaccine for the 4th time.

Although to be clear, I am mostly referring to being anti-covid vaccine, not anti-all vaccines

That's youre comeback. 

Ok.

Switch article to english. that's a lotta athletes with heart issues out of nowhere. Lotta dead ones too. I could do this all day. just because I happened to post the same one 3 times, you think no onew is dying from it. Like its the greatest shot of crap ever made when in fact it is the absolute worst.

https://report24.news/ab-13-jahren-lange-liste-ploetzlich-verstorbener-oder-schwerkranker-sportler/

This dead guy is lucky because he was jabbed. His symptoms of death were much less. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10156793/Fully-vaccinated-air-passenger-infected-Covid-dead-flight-Turkey-Germany.html?fbclid=IwAR2EY3TLGysC1AgMoNfiR6odqsZqqrjSbu7ZUit3YYT9IG6Y-sIfxqqcuN8

 

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15 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

If you have a sh!tty immune system, get the shot. Otherwise you're better off without it. 

This is false and now you’re moving the goalposts, albeit to an argument that is more in favor of the vaccine.  The vaccine may not be perfect at preventing you from getting the sniffles, but it is pretty dang effective at preventing serious outcomes from covid.

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4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

There have been mumps outbreaks in the NHL, including among vaccinated players - https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/nhl-mumps-outbreak-7-big-questions-answered-1.2873761

Most other vaccines weren’t developed in the middle of a pandemic when the disease was prevalent in the whole country.  So when the disease prevalence is low to begin with, there will be few breakthrough infections.  The closest is probably polio which had far fewer cases than covid and apparently the initial vaccine was only 60-70% effective at preventing some types of polio - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccine

maybe we should start here

why is covid considered a disease, while pneumonia is not

both should be classified the same imo

the flu is also not a disease

mumps, measles, rubella, chicken pox are diseases

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15 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

This is false and now you’re moving the goalposts, albeit to an argument that is more in favor of the vaccine.  The vaccine may not be perfect at preventing you from getting the sniffles, but it is pretty dang effective at preventing serious outcomes from covid.

I wouldn't know nor do I care. I've been out in public all day every day since this thing started. No mask (unless and until mandated by my client) no distancing, no vaccine and no issues.

I guess I'm immune. Or lucky. Or both.  

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12 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

This is false and now you’re moving the goalposts, albeit to an argument that is more in favor of the vaccine.  The vaccine may not be perfect at preventing you from getting the sniffles, but it is pretty dang effective at preventing serious outcomes from covid.

But does it prevent me from carrying or spreading it?

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2 minutes ago, Nomad99 said:

But does it prevent me from carrying or spreading it?

Reduces your chances to, as stated previously

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27 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

maybe we should start here

why is covid considered a disease, while pneumonia is not

both should be classified the same imo

the flu is also not a disease

mumps, measles, rubella, chicken pox are diseases

Who says the flu isn’t a disease?

I could see pneumonia not being a disease because it’s usually a secondary infection, although “knowpneumonia.com” calls it a disease

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18 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Who says the flu isn’t a disease?

I could see pneumonia not being a disease because it’s usually a secondary infection, although “knowpneumonia.com” calls it a disease

I thought that was pretty common knowledge and quit frankly something you would know

Flu is a contagious respiratory illness caused by influenza viruses that infect the nose, throat, and sometimes the lungs. It can cause mild to severe ...

its also a coronavirus so...

so since the flu "vaccines" goal is to reduce the risk and complications and the covid "vaccines" do the same, they should clearly be classified the same, therefore we know that vaccines work well against diseases, but not illnesses or viruses, which is already known in the scientific community

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4 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

I thought that was pretty common knowledge and quit frankly something you would know

Flu is a contagious respiratory illness caused by influenza viruses that infect the nose, throat, and sometimes the lungs. It can cause mild to severe ...

What’s your point?  If the CDC doesn’t call it a disease then it can’t have a vaccine?

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Looks like CDC does refer to pneumonia as a disease when talking about the vaccine for it btw - https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/pneumo/hcp/about-vaccine.html

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1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

What’s your point?  If the CDC doesn’t call it a disease then it can’t have a vaccine?

yes because they are pushing it like this is the end all solution to prevent a disease, words have meanings.  Classify this as an illness like it is, and we can start on a level playing field based on truth

they have done nothing but lie about it since day one, which for people who actually read multiple sources, everything I can find, creates distrust

if Fockhead Fauci came out and said hey its gonna help you by about 50% people might actually listen more, but since he hasn't been truthful since day 1, someone like myself will NEVER believe a word out of his mouth, especially when hes in pharmas pocket

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1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

Looks like CDC does refer to pneumonia as a disease when talking about the vaccine for it btw - https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/pneumo/hcp/about-vaccine.html

that it does, cause its not a virus, hey this is how you admit you were wrong

and I have had pneumonia 4 times

 

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5 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

that it does, cause its not a virus, hey this is how you admit you were wrong

and I have had pneumonia 4 times

 

You literally just said pneumonia wasn’t a disease...

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17 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Its also a coronavirus so...

so since the flu "vaccines" goal is to reduce the risk and complications and the covid "vaccines" do the same, they should clearly be classified the same, therefore we know that vaccines work well against diseases, but not illnesses or viruses, which is already known in the scientific community

They’re both vaccines...

So you’re hanging onto the CDC’s every word on how they define “disease,” but not “vaccine”?  They call the flu vaccine a vaccine...

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20 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

yes because they are pushing it like this is the end all solution to prevent a disease, words have meanings.  Classify this as an illness like it is, and we can start on a level playing field based on truth

they have done nothing but lie about it since day one, which for people who actually read multiple sources, everything I can find, creates distrust

if Fockhead Fauci came out and said hey its gonna help you by about 50% people might actually listen more, but since he hasn't been truthful since day 1, someone like myself will NEVER believe a word out of his mouth, especially when hes in pharmas pocket

Are you saying the trial data was a lie?    It wasn’t, unfortunately things changed since then (mostly Delta and slight waning of immunity).   And to be clear, the only thing near 50% (after 6+ months according to some studies, others still put vaccine effectiveness against infection of Delta around 80% at 6+ months) is just the reduced risk of infection.  Efficacy against hospitalization and death remains high.

And on the subject of natural immunity, I’d argue that the naturally immune are more likely to be unvaccinated, and thus they are artificially bringing down vaccine efficacy estimates since the previously infected usually aren’t broken out.

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2 hours ago, 5-Points said:

The data on natural immunity vs vaccinated reduced chances is clear. Natural immunity is more robust and longer lasting. Why wouldn't we be vaccinating the vulnerable and letting the rest of the herd acquire a better, more natural immunity, like we always have? 

 

New CDC Study: Vaccination Offers Higher Protection than Previous COVID-19 Infection

n today’s MMWR, a study of COVID-19 infections in Kentucky among people who were previously infected with SAR-CoV-2 shows that unvaccinated individuals are more than twice as likely to be reinfected with COVID-19 than those who were fully vaccinated after initially contracting the virus. These data further indicate that COVID-19 vaccines offer better protection than natural immunity alone and that vaccines, even after prior infection, help prevent reinfections.

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1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Reduces your chances to, as stated previously

It reduces which? It doesn't keep me from getting it...but does reduce it's effects. I don't see how it prevents me from spreading it???

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33 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

New CDC Study: Vaccination Offers Higher Protection than Previous COVID-19 Infection

n today’s MMWR, a study of COVID-19 infections in Kentucky among people who were previously infected with SAR-CoV-2 shows that unvaccinated individuals are more than twice as likely to be reinfected with COVID-19 than those who were fully vaccinated after initially contracting the virus. These data further indicate that COVID-19 vaccines offer better protection than natural immunity alone and that vaccines, even after prior infection, help prevent reinfections.

Meh. I'm betting on history and my own immune system. It's worked so far. If and when it fails, which it will, eventually, so be it. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Nomad99 said:

It reduces which? It doesn't keep me from getting it...but does reduce it's effects. I don't see how it prevents me from spreading it???

It doesn't "keep you" from getting it, but it reduces your chances of getting it, which by definition reduces your chances of spreading it.

Just because something isn't 100% effective, doesn't mean it's 0% effective.

And if you do get it, your viral load decreases faster than if you were not vaccinated.

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1 hour ago, 5-Points said:

Meh. I'm betting on history and my own immune system. It's worked so far. If and when it fails, which it will, eventually, so be it. 

 

 

Yeah I don't really buy that study either.

But to be clear, natural immunity is good...if you already have it.    Getting covid...to prevent getting covid -- isn't really a great strategy.

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5 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

not getting a "vaccine" that doesn't prevent an illness does not make someone an Anti-vaxxer

 

Correct we are anti-mandate! This is just more lies and false labeling by the left to attack a group of people that disagree with them. The vaccine mandate is a very dangerous slippery sloop we entering and it will not end well. Besides it is incredibly stupid to vaccinate the entire population when no one knows the long term effects.

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36 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Yeah I don't really buy that study either.

But to be clear, natural immunity is good...if you already have it.    Getting covid...to prevent getting covid -- isn't really a great strategy.

Tens of Millions of people have had Covid and didn’t know it and tens of millions had only mild symptoms. My natural immunity will last as long as Covid lasts because I will contact it regularly and my body will fight it and build up my immunity. Where as you will need a booster every 6 months to a year.

This is the choice I made and you made your choice. I don’t care what you do, why do you want to force me to do what you did?

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3 hours ago, TimHauck said:

You literally just said pneumonia wasn’t a disease...

and I just said I am admitting I was wrong, its not classified as a virus

 

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3 hours ago, Mike Honcho said:

New CDC Study: Vaccination Offers Higher Protection than Previous COVID-19 Infection

n today’s MMWR, a study of COVID-19 infections in Kentucky among people who were previously infected with SAR-CoV-2 shows that unvaccinated individuals are more than twice as likely to be reinfected with COVID-19 than those who were fully vaccinated after initially contracting the virus. These data further indicate that COVID-19 vaccines offer better protection than natural immunity alone and that vaccines, even after prior infection, help prevent reinfections.

bro, get the vaccine, but I am not going with a study based on 246 people when Isreal has done one based on 2.7 mil people

this study seems to be complete nonsense quite frankly

they literally took 246 patients who had covid a second time and divided them into groups, of that group, 50 were 2x vaxxed, 17 partially vaxxed, and 179 unvaxxed.  This means nothing

in order to do a proper study (and its sad that the CDC is resorting to this) you need 10000 participants 5000 vaxxed, 5000 unvaxxed with previous immunity and basically introduce covid to them in a controlled environment

 

 

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MJs legendary "flu game" hanging all over people.   I wonder if he passed it off to an old person and they died? I guess we will never know.  Legendary though.

Allen Lazard unvaxed comes in contact with vaxed Adams and he is forced to sit out last week.  No not positive for covid just came in contact with a vaxed player who had covid.  

Bizzaro world

 

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52 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

MJs legendary "flu game" hanging all over people.   I wonder if he passed it off to an old person and they died? I guess we will never know.  Legendary though.

 

I thought it was technically food poisoning...

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7 hours ago, Baker Boy said:

Correct we are anti-mandate! This is just more lies and false labeling by the left to attack a group of people that disagree with them. The vaccine mandate is a very dangerous slippery sloop we entering and it will not end well. Besides it is incredibly stupid to vaccinate the entire population when no one knows the long term effects.

I agree that many people aren’t anti all vaccines, just anti covid vaccine.  But many here aren’t just anti mandate, they are in fact anti covid vaccine.

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7 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I thought it was technically food poisoning...

It was.  But it was lauded as "flu game".  People didn't care what he had.  Didnt care if he was passing anything on.  It was revered.  People would go to work with the flu all the time and not hardly think twice.  

Today if an unvaccinated comes in and sort of contact with a vaxed full of covid people freak out.  

We are protecting no one with these goofy rules.  

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7 hours ago, Baker Boy said:

Tens of Millions of people have had Covid and didn’t know it and tens of millions had only mild symptoms. My natural immunity will last as long as Covid lasts because I will contact it regularly and my body will fight it and build up my immunity. Where as you will need a booster every 6 months to a year.

This is the choice I made and you made your choice. I don’t care what you do, why do you want to force me to do what you did?

I don’t want to force you to do anything, just would like you to have a lower chance of being hospitalized or dying as well as a lower chance of passing it on to someone who could be hospitalized or die.

You can’t make a definitive statement like your “body will fight it and build up immunity.”  Natural immunity isn’t perfect and likely wanes as well as much as lod wants to claim that it lasts forever and there’s never been a case of someone being reinfected, which has been proven wrong by his own links.

And as you are all saying, getting vaccinated doesn’t guarantee that you won’t get covid.   In fact most studies show that getting both vaccinated and infected provides the best immunity possible.  So yeah, everyone will probably catch covid at some point.  And if you’re not catching for the second (or third) time, it’s better to be vaccinated when you do.

 

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, Mike Honcho said:

New CDC Study: Vaccination Offers Higher Protection than Previous COVID-19 Infection

n today’s MMWR, a study of COVID-19 infections in Kentucky among people who were previously infected with SAR-CoV-2 shows that unvaccinated individuals are more than twice as likely to be reinfected with COVID-19 than those who were fully vaccinated after initially contracting the virus. These data further indicate that COVID-19 vaccines offer better protection than natural immunity alone and that vaccines, even after prior infection, help prevent reinfections.

This one says 2× odds, the one last week said 5x odds. Maybe it's the Bourbon. Science!

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14 hours ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

I gave your mom the jab juice - and I think she liked it.

She then quickly realized it didn't give her all she needed so she called me up begging for a "booster".