Ukraine - Doomsday

[thegeneral 3,214]

11 minutes ago, League Champion said:

He destroyed them 

His goal was to take the country over and then restore the Eastern block, not get all his men blown up and NATO expanded at the same time. 

I wouldn’t say Russia totally lost flat out but they certainly didn’t win either.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

12 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

You are saying Putin won’t take any deal that doesn’t involve Russia taking Ukraine because this is what will happen? I’m not tracking here.

You’re not tracking because league champion is a loon

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Is VP with the globalists or against?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

33 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Can you explain how he has won? I don’t see your point.

Uh, he took all the good stuff? 

[thegeneral 3,214]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Uh, he took all the good stuff? 

His stated goals were to stop NATO expansion. That has obviously failed. NATO added countries. 

It seems very unlikely he wanted to get into a war that killed so many of his men and drag out over years.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

4 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

His stated goals were to stop NATO expansion. That has obviously failed. NATO added countries. 

It seems very unlikely he wanted to get into a war that killed so many of his men and drag out over years.

Yeah, he had his sights set on Finland. Good thing they joined. You know who didn’t join? Ukraine. They can’t as king as they are at war. Hmmm, I wonder if Putin will stop a war so that can happen? Ceasefire sounds like the smart move, and keeps the war going at the same time. When are you jerkoffs going to stop acting like he’s an idiot? 

[thegeneral 3,214]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yeah, he had his sights set on Finland. Good thing they joined. You know who didn’t join? Ukraine. They can’t as king as they are at war. Hmmm, I wonder if Putin will stop a war so that can happen? Ceasefire sounds like the smart move, and keeps the war going at the same time. When are you jerkoffs going to stop acting like he’s an idiot? 

You think Putin wanted NATO getting bigger? Thats interesting.

Who knows if there will be a ceasefire or end to the war. My point is that Putin certainly hasn’t won. Not been a total loss either. 

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

2 hours ago, thegeneral said:

 

He also will end up with some land in Ukraine I’d bet so it’s not an absolute loss either. 

I’m not sure this can be considered a win either. Ask Israel what it’s like when you occupy land where everybody hates you. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

Putin has Crimea. And now a buffer between it and the west. The Crimea is where all the good stuff is. 

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

It seems like Putin had Crimea before this latest invasion, didn’t he? And it hasn’t helped him much. 
 

It amazes me that so many conservative/maga types want to admire Putin as some sort of genius. You guys are constantly rooting for him, want him to succeed. I just don’t get it. The guy is a stone blood killer. Why on Earth would you cheer for someone like that? 

Reminds me of all the leftists in my youth that kissed Fidel Castro’s ass all the time. All these socialist types, like Maxine Waters and Bernie Sanders, would take these trips to Havana and tell Fidel how brilliant he was. It was really nauseating and embarrassing. This is the same thing. 

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7 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

It seems like Putin had Crimea before this latest invasion, didn’t he? And it hasn’t helped him much. 
 

It amazes me that so many conservative/maga types want to admire Putin as some sort of genius. You guys are constantly rooting for him, want him to succeed. I just don’t get it. The guy is a stone blood killer. Why on Earth would you cheer for someone like that? 

Reminds me of all the leftists in my youth that kissed Fidel Castro’s ass all the time. All these socialist types, like Maxine Waters and Bernie Sanders, would take these trips to Havana and tell Fidel how brilliant he was. It was really nauseating and embarrassing. This is the same thing. 

 

CNN — A decade ago, Mitt Romney went on CNN and made a statement that was widely perceived as a major mistake. Time to admit Romney was correct.

“Russia, is without question, our number one geopolitical foe,” Romney, who would be the Republican presidential nominee in the 2012 race against President Barack Obama, told Wolf Blitzer in March of that year. “They — they fight every cause for the world’s worst actors.”

Obama pounced on the comment, insisting that it showed Romney was hopelessly out of touch when it came to the threats facing the US.

In the third presidential debate between the two candidates in October 2012, Obama went directly after Romney for that remark. “When you were asked, ‘What’s the biggest geopolitical threat facing America,’ you said ‘Russia.’ Not al Qaeda; you said Russia,” Obama said. “And, the 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back, because the Cold War’s been over 20 years.

[League Champion 1,911]

Fears of a Ukrainian shell famine are growing as Western military aid shows signs of faltering.

During its counteroffensive in the summer, Ukrainian forces burned through artillery shells at a rate of about 7,000 rounds a day, figures from Estonia's defence ministry show.

The Kiel Institute, which has tracked aid promised and sent to Ukraine, said in an update earlier this month that while the new US aid package was delayed to next year, the EU's commitment to supplying one million rounds of ammunition has stalled.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

On 12/23/2023 at 8:14 PM, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yeah, he had his sights set on Finland. Good thing they joined. You know who didn’t join? Ukraine. They can’t as king as they are at war. Hmmm, I wonder if Putin will stop a war so that can happen? Ceasefire sounds like the smart move, and keeps the war going at the same time. When are you jerkoffs going to stop acting like he’s an idiot? 

When are you going to quit taking Putin’s schlong to the root? Have some self respect, man

[IGotWorms 4,058]

4 hours ago, Mike Hunt said:

 

CNN — A decade ago, Mitt Romney went on CNN and made a statement that was widely perceived as a major mistake. Time to admit Romney was correct.

“Russia, is without question, our number one geopolitical foe,” Romney, who would be the Republican presidential nominee in the 2012 race against President Barack Obama, told Wolf Blitzer in March of that year. “They — they fight every cause for the world’s worst actors.”

Obama pounced on the comment, insisting that it showed Romney was hopelessly out of touch when it came to the threats facing the US.

In the third presidential debate between the two candidates in October 2012, Obama went directly after Romney for that remark. “When you were asked, ‘What’s the biggest geopolitical threat facing America,’ you said ‘Russia.’ Not al Qaeda; you said Russia,” Obama said. “And, the 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back, because the Cold War’s been over 20 years.

China is the main threat because they could actually challenge us for supremacy. Russia is a very annoying gnat that should fock off.

That said, the two of them are teaming up now, and that is a problem.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

6 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

When are you going to quit taking Putin’s schlong to the root? Gave some self respect, man

It’s a war ballbag. Talking about what’s going on and nit just cheerleading and parroting what the controlled msm tells you isn’t taking a side. That’s the problem with the left, you people just aren’t intellectually curious.  

[Voltaire 5,316]

On 12/24/2023 at 1:02 AM, The Real timschochet said:

It seems like Putin had Crimea before this latest invasion, didn’t he? And it hasn’t helped him much. 
 

It amazes me that so many conservative/maga types want to admire Putin as some sort of genius. You guys are constantly rooting for him, want him to succeed. I just don’t get it. The guy is a stone blood killer. Why on Earth would you cheer for someone like that? 

Reminds me of all the leftists in my youth that kissed Fidel Castro’s ass all the time. All these socialist types, like Maxine Waters and Bernie Sanders, would take these trips to Havana and tell Fidel how brilliant he was. It was really nauseating and embarrassing. This is the same thing. 

Over the years, Putin has made some poignant and reasonable assessments of the situation in the west, actually lamenting the decline and us not living up to our ideals and moral standards. I found them to be remarkable accurate. Obviously, I could never warm to him though for various reasons: lack of democratic reform, he'd been in a couple of smaller border wars, assassinated dissenters in western countries, and friends with some sh*tty international players. 

Really, he's an astute observer with an outsider's take of our situation with really amazing insights that resonate. The man is an autocratic despot but he really hits themes that are compelling and to me, him and his mentor/colleague/spiritual Sherpa Alexander Dugan really hit like the 2020s version of Alexis de Tocqueville, if you're familiar.

I'm trying to find a youtube video but it's difficult to locate. What I'm looking for is maybe 5+ years old and everything I search for is in the last two.

[thegeneral 3,214]

2 hours ago, Voltaire said:

Over the years, Putin has made some poignant and reasonable assessments of the situation in the west, actually lamenting the decline and us not living up to our ideals and moral standards. I found them to be remarkable accurate. Obviously, I could never warm to him though for various reasons: lack of democratic reform, he'd been in a couple of smaller border wars, assassinated dissenters in western countries, and friends with some sh*tty international players. 

Really, he's an astute observer with an outsider's take of our situation with really amazing insights that resonate. The man is an autocratic despot but he really hits themes that are compelling and to me, him and his mentor/colleague/spiritual Sherpa Alexander Dugan really hit like the 2020s version of Alexis de Tocqueville, if you're familiar.

I'm trying to find a youtube video but it's difficult to locate. What I'm looking for is maybe 5+ years old and everything I search for is in the last two.

Putin can take his observations and shove them up his ass. Fock that guy and the horse he rode in on. 

[IGotWorms 4,058]

3 hours ago, Voltaire said:

Over the years, Putin has made some poignant and reasonable assessments of the situation in the west, actually lamenting the decline and us not living up to our ideals and moral standards. I found them to be remarkable accurate. Obviously, I could never warm to him though for various reasons: lack of democratic reform, he'd been in a couple of smaller border wars, assassinated dissenters in western countries, and friends with some sh*tty international players. 

Really, he's an astute observer with an outsider's take of our situation with really amazing insights that resonate. The man is an autocratic despot but he really hits themes that are compelling and to me, him and his mentor/colleague/spiritual Sherpa Alexander Dugan really hit like the 2020s version of Alexis de Tocqueville, if you're familiar.

I'm trying to find a youtube video but it's difficult to locate. What I'm looking for is maybe 5+ years old and everything I search for is in the last two.

de Tocqueville was an ally and a westerner. Not some autocratic dictator

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,350]

17 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

It’s a war ballbag. Talking about what’s going on and nit just cheerleading and parroting what the controlled msm tells you isn’t taking a side. That’s the problem with the left, you people just aren’t intellectually curious.  

he thinks you have to give a fock about what happens to another country, just only the country the news tells you to.

should check out Mayanmar, Sudan, etc etc

 

[IGotWorms 4,058]

19 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

It’s a war ballbag. Talking about what’s going on and nit just cheerleading and parroting what the controlled msm tells you isn’t taking a side. That’s the problem with the left, you people just aren’t intellectually curious.  

It’s a war that you’ve been cheerleading for Putin to win since almost day one. It’s bizarre and extremely un-American.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

10 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

he thinks you have to give a fock about what happens to another country, just only the country the news tells you to.

should check out Mayanmar, Sudan, etc etc

 

You guys think you’re enlightened but, ironically, you’re just stupid.

The news tells me to care about Ukraine because they were on the cusp of joining the EU and maybe NATO and are essentially a junior member of the western alliance. Their being invaded by an autocrat neighbor that hates the west is a big deal. The news accurately assesses that and so presents it to me and other Americans that aren’t hellbent on sucking that particular autocrat’s dong.

Myanmar, Sudan, etc. we should care about in a humanitarian sense but the US national interest is much, much less there. Doesn’t necessarily make it right but it does make it logical, which you supposed “free thinking” focktards are unable to understand, because that’s how much Trump has messed you up in the head

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,350]

2 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

You guys think you’re enlightened but, ironically, you’re just stupid.

The news tells me to care about Ukraine because they were on the cusp of joining the EU and maybe NATO and are essentially a junior member of the western alliance. They’re being invaded by an autocrat neighbor that hates the west is a big deal. The news accurately assesses that and so presents it to me Americans that aren’t hellbent on sucking that particular autocrat’s dong.

Myanmar, Sudan, etc. we should care about in a humanitarian sense but the US national interest is much, much less there. Doesn’t necessarily make it right but it does make it logical, which you supposed “free thinking” focktards are unable to understand, because that’s how much Trump has messed you up in the head

So what you’re saying is that you think it’s a good thing that we are breaking an agreement with Russia to allow Ukraine to join nato. We don’t need Ukraine for sh1t other than another govt we toppled and caused chaos 

[IGotWorms 4,058]

5 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

So what you’re saying is that you think it’s a good thing that we are breaking an agreement with Russia to allow Ukraine to join nato. We don’t need Ukraine for sh1t other than another govt we toppled and caused chaos 

All Putin talking points. Congrats on swallowing his load yet again. You’re gonna need your stomach pumped soon

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,350]

6 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

All Putin talking points. Congrats on swallowing his load yet again. You’re gonna need your stomach pumped soon

I’ve never listened to Putin sorry I don’t glue myself to msnbc 

but you’re saying that our agreement with Russia on not allowing Ukraine into nato is a Putin talking point 

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Just now, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

I’ve never listened to Putin 

He’s got his hand so far up your ass he could tickle your tonsils

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

Worms supported Saddam Hussein and the Taliban. 

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

On 12/25/2023 at 5:35 AM, Voltaire said:

Over the years, Putin has made some poignant and reasonable assessments of the situation in the west, actually lamenting the decline and us not living up to our ideals and moral standards. I found them to be remarkable accurate. Obviously, I could never warm to him though for various reasons: lack of democratic reform, he'd been in a couple of smaller border wars, assassinated dissenters in western countries, and friends with some sh*tty international players. 

Really, he's an astute observer with an outsider's take of our situation with really amazing insights that resonate. The man is an autocratic despot but he really hits themes that are compelling and to me, him and his mentor/colleague/spiritual Sherpa Alexander Dugan really hit like the 2020s version of Alexis de Tocqueville, if you're familiar.

I'm trying to find a youtube video but it's difficult to locate. What I'm looking for is maybe 5+ years old and everything I search for is in the last two.

Yeah this is exactly the same crap my hippie uncle used to say about Fidel. “Sure he’s a dictator but his criticism of capitalism is dead on”. 
 

You know what? Fock Fidel and fock Putin too. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Yeah this is exactly the same crap my hippie uncle used to say about Fidel. “Sure he’s a dictator but his criticism of capitalism is dead on”. 
 

You know what? Fock Fidel and fock Putin too. 

If you criticize Israel you support Hamas. 

[thegeneral 3,214]

You sank my battleship

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,350]

Joe Biden could come right out and say we will destroy the nordstream pipeline and Worms would still call it Putin propaganda for posting it

 

 

[IGotWorms 4,058]

5 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Worms supported Saddam Hussein and the Taliban. 

How many US soldiers were killed and wounded in those wars?

Now do Ukraine.

Focktard

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

7 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

How many US soldiers were killed and wounded in those wars?

Now do Ukraine.

Focktard

That was your only issue with those wars? Nah. Reaching. 

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

That was your only issue with those wars? Nah. Reaching. 

I also didn’t like that we were killing lots of civilians, you know, as invaders do, like Putin. Also didn’t like that we were starting a war on false pretenses (in Iraq), you know, like Putin.

You suck at this, and really everything  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

6 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

I also didn’t like that we were killing lots of civilians, you know, as invaders do, like Putin. Also didn’t like that we were starting a war on false pretenses (in Iraq), you know, like Putin.

You suck at this, and really everything  

You supported Saddam and the Taliban. You’re messed up man. I’d have to assume Bin Laden as well, and now Hamas. Trump wrecked you.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

A senior Ukraine defense ministry official has been arrested for embezzling 40 million dollars relating to an artillery shells contract. He probably would have gotten away with it if we kept pumping money in there and they weren’t running low on shells. Can you imagine how much has been siphoned off before this? This guy thought no one would notice, and with good reason. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,350]

2 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

A senior Ukraine defense ministry official has been arrested for embezzling 40 million dollars relating to an artillery shells contract. He probably would have gotten away with it if we kept pumping money in there and they weren’t running low on shells. Can you imagine how much has been siphoned off before this? This guy thought no one would notice, and with good reason. 

putin propagnada

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

5 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

putin propagnada

 

40 million. I mean, WTF? I guess he’s a lone wolf.  A lone wolf that tried to steal all that, for himself.  Sure. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

16 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

I’ve never listened to Putin sorry I don’t glue myself to msnbc 

but you’re saying that our agreement with Russia on not allowing Ukraine into nato is a Putin talking point 

Russia not beyatching about Ukraine joining NATO is one of the few bargaining chips available at this point. 

Russia has brought this all on itself when it broke the Budapest Memorandum it signed in 1993.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

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The memoranda, signed in Patria Hall at the Budapest Convention Center with US Ambassador Donald M. Blinken amongst others in attendance,^[3] prohibited the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom and the United States from threatening or using military force or economic coercion against Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan, "except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations." As a result of other agreements and the memorandum, between 1993 and 1996, Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons.^[4][5]

The United States also pledged to help Ukraine in the event of a Russian attack.

So about the only thing that can protect Ukraine in the future is joining NATO, seeing as those Russian fockers can't honor an agreement. Putin fabricated Ukraine as some kind of threat to justify the invastion.

 

 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,350]

38 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Russia not beyatching about Ukraine joining NATO is one of the few bargaining chips available at this point. 

Russia has brought this all on itself when it broke the Budapest Memorandum it signed in 1993.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

The United States also pledged to help Ukraine in the event of a Russian attack.

So about the only thing that can protect Ukraine in the future is joining NATO, seeing as those Russian fockers can't honor an agreement. Putin fabricated Ukraine as some kind of threat to justify the invastion.

 

 

here's where I go back to my original point, of I don't give a flying fock about Ukraine, Nato, Russia or any other country

 

[League Champion 1,911]

4 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

also didn’t like that we were killing lots of civilians, you know, as invaders do, like Putin. 

NEWS FLASH: Innocent civilians get killed in War, ANY WAR.