Ukraine - Doomsday

[Hardcore troubadour 15,267]

33 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

He's as dumb as they come 

Oh look, Moe is here to help out Larry and Curly. 

[thegeneral 3,121]

2 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I liked it better when Trump directly bombed Putin and shut his pipeline down. He knew how to keep him in line.  Biden not so much. Two invasions on his watch. 

Putin just needed to wait a couple more years for Trump to dissolve NATO, then he could have just moseyed into Poland. 

Maybe if the orange one gets elected he can get his wish! 

[Pimpadeaux 2,405]

3 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

He’s your bud. Biden kissed his ass from day one. The Clinton’s took boatloads of cash from them.  And they gave him a big red button. 

There's that MAGAturd hypocrisy again.

MAGAturd: Biden has been weak against Russia.

Common sense: Um, how about all those sanctions and military aid to Ukraine?

MAGAturd: Biden is a warmonger. I oppose aid to Ukraine. 

Common sense: How can you simultaneously say Biden is weak and a warmonger?

MAGAturd: Biden has kissed Putin's ass since Day 1.

Common sense: So if you oppose Biden's actions against Russia and aid to Ukraine, what does Biden need to do to show you his strength against Russia? And wasn't it Trump who called Putin's actions genius, or something like that? Putin's invasion of Ukraine is kind of a warmonger thing, right?

MAGAturd: Biden is a weak ass-kisser and a warmonger.

Common sense: 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,267]

7 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

There's that MAGAturd hypocrisy again.

MAGAturd: Biden has been weak against Russia.

Common sense: Um, how about all those sanctions and military aid to Ukraine?

MAGAturd: Biden is a warmonger. I oppose aid to Ukraine. 

Common sense: How can you simultaneously say Biden is weak and a warmonger?

MAGAturd: Biden has kissed Putin's ass since Day 1.

Common sense: So if you oppose Biden's actions against Russia and aid to Ukraine, what does Biden need to do to show you his strength against Russia? And wasn't it Trump who called Putin's actions genius, or something like that? Putin's invasion of Ukraine is kind of a warmonger thing, right?

MAGAturd: Biden is a weak ass-kisser and a warmonger.

Common sense: 

If Biden had shown strength, impossible, instead of undoing what Trump did right off the bat Putin might have thought twice. But he saw weakness and pounced. Again. 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

43 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Putin just needed to wait a couple more years for Trump to dissolve NATO, then he could have just moseyed into Poland. 

Maybe if the orange one gets elected he can get his wish! 

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,267]

3 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

 

Yeah so, what did he say before that? You weak, easily led pathetic sponge.  

[Pimpadeaux 2,405]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

If Biden had shown strength, impossible, instead of undoing what Trump did right off the bat Putin might have thought twice. But he saw weakness and pounced. Again. 

So what would have this Biden "strength" looked like? What was it in regard to Russia did he "undo?" 

What Putin actually saw was Trump weakness and an opportunity, hoping Trump would pull us out of NATO and paving the way for larger conquest.

What Putin underestimated - in no small part due to this country's MAGAturd noise - was Biden's strength and resolve, and now he got himself into a losing war against a determined, democratic enemy who has been well-armed and is determined to fight and win at all costs.

You picked the wrong horse, bro. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,267]

4 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

So what would have this Biden "strength" looked like? What was it in regard to Russia did he "undo?" 

What Putin actually saw was Trump weakness and an opportunity, hoping Trump would pull us out of NATO and paving the way for larger conquest.

What Putin underestimated - in no small part due to this country's MAGAturd noise - was Biden's strength and resolve, and now he got himself into a losing war against a determined, democratic enemy who has been well-armed and is determined to fight and win at all costs.

You picked the wrong horse, bro. 

He lifted the sanctions on Putins pipeline as soon as he got in. Weak. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,267]

Trump sent weapons to Ukraine. Not blankets like Biden and Obama did. Putin must have thought Biden would just send more blankets. Putin remembered the weakness and pounced.  

[Pimpadeaux 2,405]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Trump sent weapons to Ukraine. Not blankets like Biden and Obama did. Putin must have thought Biden would just send more blankets. Putin remembered the weakness and pounced.  

So you support Trump sending weapons to Ukraine and consider that strength but don't support Biden sending military equipment to Ukraine and call him weak. 

What a focking moron.

 

[Voltaire 5,281]

9 hours ago, thegeneral said:

There plan was to take Ukraine in like two weeks. Second rate. At this point surprised if their uniforms match

I know it seemed like a viable plan to me at the time. I hadn't seen this two year stalemate coming at all. I didn't realize Russia's military sucked ass so badly and apparently neither did Putin.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,267]

6 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

So you support Trump sending weapons to Ukraine and consider that strength but don't support Biden sending military equipment to Ukraine and call him weak. 

What a focking moron.

 

I don’t say that’s what makes him weak. It’s everything before that that’s weak.  Can you read still? Does TDS do that? 

[RogerDodger 798]

1 hour ago, GutterBoy said:

 

. You need an English to Idiot translator.  

[Voltaire 5,281]

12 hours ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Russia ready for peace talks.

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-shoigu-beijing-ukraine-peace-talks-1839149

How about let the fockers keep what they have, help rebuild Ukraine and not stand in the way of Ukraine joining NATO so this sh!t never happens again.

It's a good sign, I don't see how/why Ukraine would accept those terms. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,405]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I don’t say that’s what makes him weak. It’s everything before that that’s weak.  Can you read still? Does TDS do that? 

What we had before this was four years of a disastrous and embarrassing Clownzo presidency where he left no square inch of Putin's ass unkissed and had Putin licking his chops over a potential U.S. pullout of NATO and one year of a Biden presidency prior to the invasion followed by an unexpected Biden strength and resolve to help a democratic and peaceful nation defend itself, resulting in an history ass kicking of supposed Russian super power and mighty military military. 

So on one hand you're criticizing Obama and Biden for being weak and then criticizing badass military things Biden as done.

Focking hypocrite. Go to bed, you wishy-washy creepy Internet bed wetter.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,267]

2 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

What we had before this was four years of a disastrous and embarrassing Clownzo presidency where he left no square inch of Putin's ass unkissed and had Putin licking his chops over a potential U.S. pullout of NATO and one year of a Biden presidency prior to the invasion followed by an unexpected Biden strength and resolve to help a democratic and peaceful nation defend itself, resulting in an history ass kicking of supposed Russian super power and mighty military military. 

So on one hand you're criticizing Obama and Biden for being weak and then criticizing badass military things Biden as done.

Focking hypocrite. Go to bed, you wishy-washy creepy Internet bed wetter.

Ha ha! I won. Putin only flexes when he senses weakness. Fact. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,405]

3 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

It's a good sign, I don't see how/why Ukraine would accept those terms. 

I haven't drilled down far enough to understand the pro-Russian nature of the seized territories. Perhaps that's the devil in the details. 

Here is a clip for wikipedia, which gets widely dismissed here:

Quote

The survey aimed to repeat the questions of their 2014 survey. The 2019 survey found that 82% of Crimea's population supported Crimea's accession to Russia, as opposed to 86% in 2014. The survey also found that 58% of Crimean Tatars now supported Crimea's accession to Russia, as opposed to 39% in 2014.

If the Crimeaoids hugely want to be Russian, then Ukraine needs to just let go of that. Same for whatever else got seized if those are hugely pro-Russian territories. 

It's what Ukraine gets in return, which would be Russian giving up any pro-Uker turf it gained, throwing in a few rubles for repairs, returning the kids it kidnapped and just accepting that Ukraine can join NATO. 

[RogerDodger 798]

1 minute ago, Pimpadeaux said:

I haven't drilled down far enough to understand 

No kidding.  

[Pimpadeaux 2,405]

4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Ha ha! I won. Putin only flexes when he senses weakness. Fact. 

How about you challenge your brain to actually hold your on in an intellectual discussion in which you present facts to support your point? You almost never do this. You just throw informational sh!t into the fan. Bring some substance and intelligence to the proceedings instead of toeing the MAGAturd talking-point line. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,405]

2 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

No kidding.  

Have you? Enlighten us with your well-researched support of your points of view. Post links and join an intelligent discussion instead of parroting the MAGAturd propaganda.

[RogerDodger 798]

3 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Have you? Enlighten us with your well-researched support of your points of view. Post links and join an intelligent discussion instead of parroting the MAGAturd propaganda.

No links required to show how dumb you are.  You're doing just fine on your own.  Maybe just stick to cats and and crappy insurance policies?.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,267]

27 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

I haven't drilled down far enough to understand the pro-Russian nature of the seized territories. Perhaps that's the devil in the details. 

Here is a clip for wikipedia, which gets widely dismissed here:

If the Crimeaoids hugely want to be Russian, then Ukraine needs to just let go of that. Same for whatever else got seized if those are hugely pro-Russian territories. 

It's what Ukraine gets in return, which would be Russian giving up any pro-Uker turf it gained, throwing in a few rubles for repairs, returning the kids it kidnapped and just accepting that Ukraine can join NATO. 

Return them where? To the areas that Russia will be keeping in your plan? That’s where they “kidnapped” them from.  Although they say they were getting those ethnic Russian kids out of harms way with the permission of their parents that accompanied them. But both sides are lying scum so who knows. But I’m just wondering what the Russians would get out of kidnapping them? 

[thegeneral 3,121]

45 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

I know it seemed like a viable plan to me at the time. I hadn't seen this two year stalemate coming at all. I didn't realize Russia's military sucked ass so badly and apparently neither did Putin.

I don’t think anyone did. Russia has been exposed as second rate.
 

[GobbleDog 992]

50 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

I don’t think anyone did. Russia has been exposed as second rate.
 

Putin wants a time machine more than anyone alive. Jan 2022 and everything would be great. Meeting with world leaders, international travel, big speeches, hanging with celebrities, boasting about the "great army", economy ok, living the dream with billions to play with.

Two months later he's persona non grata, an international war criminal, army looks like a joke, economy on the brink, dodging cou-de-tas, regime in question...

oops  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,267]

1 hour ago, thegeneral said:

I don’t think anyone did. Russia has been exposed as second rate.
 

And? So not a threat. That’s good. I was worried about them invading New Jersey. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,405]

1 hour ago, RogerDodger said:

No links required to show how dumb you are.  You're doing just fine on your own.  Maybe just stick to cats and and crappy insurance policies?.  

Again, all noise and no poof. Words walk. Facts talk. Just at least try to have a semi-informed, semi-factual conversation other than just flinging ignorant poo on the wall and hoping some will stick.

Oooga oooga!

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[Pimpadeaux 2,405]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Return them where? To the areas that Russia will be keeping in your plan? That’s where they “kidnapped” them from.  Although they say they were getting those ethnic Russian kids out of harms way with the permission of their parents that accompanied them. But both sides are lying scum so who knows. But I’m just wondering what the Russians would get out of kidnapping them? 

To have more Russians.

[GobbleDog 992]

Russian army reportedly suffering incredible losses at Avdiivka in recent weeks, but no big front lines changes for nearly a year. Ukraine's Spring counteroffensive clearly unsuccessful. Inflicted heavy Russian losses, with little ground to show.

Winter setting in - how much better will next Spring's counteroffensive be? Will F-16 squadrons be a game changer? Tune in!

[League Champion 1,909]

Is Ukraine still a thing? I thought the Liberals were onto supporting Hamas 

[Voltaire 5,281]

9 hours ago, League Champion said:

Is Ukraine still a thing? I thought the Liberals were onto supporting Hamas 

Hasn't everybody, liberal or no, turned their attention to Israel/Palestine while pushing Ukraine to the background? Ukraine/Russia is stuck in a boring stalemate, while Israel/Palestine is the exciting new bauble with regular new tactics and moving pieces.

[HellToupee 1,715]

13 hours ago, thegeneral said:

I don’t think anyone did. Russia has been exposed as second rate.
 

What does this exactly mean? They are “ranked” as the 2nd/3rd military power. They have nukes and now battle experience . I’m guessing we learned a lot about the tactics we implemented but so have they 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,316]

16 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

 

Oh yay where did the insurrection occur?

[IGotWorms 4,057]

41 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Hasn't everybody, liberal or no, turned their attention to Israel/Palestine while pushing Ukraine to the background? Ukraine/Russia is stuck in a boring stalemate, while Israel/Palestine is the exciting new bauble with regular new tactics and moving pieces.

Not me. Apparently unlike many people, I am capable of thinking about more than one thing at a time.

Ukraine is still fighting an autocrat that is intent on undermining the United States and NATO (and has joined with China to do so), and which autocrat invaded their country. We should still support them.

Now it does seem like things are at a stalemate and it’s fair to ask where this is going. I don’t think we should require Ukraine to cede all the territory Russia has taken or really even any of it (I would include Crimea in that as well). But what are the other options? That’s really for the generals and such to determine but I do think it’s a fair thing to examine at this point.

[thegeneral 3,121]

1 hour ago, HellToupee said:

What does this exactly mean? They are “ranked” as the 2nd/3rd military power. They have nukes and now battle experience . I’m guessing we learned a lot about the tactics we implemented but so have they 

They are dropping in the power rankings. Held off by Ukraine and some hand me down weapons. I’d put them at the level of Tennessee or Clemson. Once mighty now just top 20. Maybe play in a Jan 1 bowl.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,267]

Zelensky’s days are numbered.  

[listen2me 23 1,852]

1 hour ago, thegeneral said:

They are dropping in the power rankings. Held off by Ukraine and some hand me down weapons. I’d put them at the level of Tennessee or Clemson. Once mighty now just top 20. Maybe play in a Jan 1 bowl.

Held off by Ukraine?  You mean held off by a blank check from our country?   

Most any decently sized country holds off another with all of our help.   

Russia isn't fighting Ukraine.   They are fighting us and the pitch ins from Euro countries.   We just don't care because it's not our people dying.   It has taken hundreds of billions of dollars for Russia to "only" take parts of Ukraine.   

Name a Euro country and simulate them trying to go into another country and take land.  With all of our money opposing them.  They couldn't either.   

Is the Russian meat grinder sound and elite?  No.  But they are still what a top 3 or 4 military and threat in any situation like this.  

Omg omg Russia has proven to suck!   They aren't the 3rd most powerful military but the 4th!    

[thegeneral 3,121]

3 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Held off by Ukraine?  You mean held off by a blank check from our country?   

Most any decently sized country holds off another with all of our help.   

Russia isn't fighting Ukraine.   They are fighting us and the pitch ins from Euro countries.   We just don't care because it's not our people dying.   It has taken hundreds of billions of dollars for Russia to "only" take parts of Ukraine.   

Name a Euro country and simulate them trying to go into another country and take land.  With all of our money opposing them.  They couldn't either.   

Is the Russian meat grinder sound and elite?  No.  But they are still what a top 3 or 4 military and threat in any situation like this.  

Omg omg Russia has proven to suck!   They aren't the 3rd most powerful military but the 4th!    

Right we are the big swinging d1ck in the room. Good to let that little tyrant Vlad know it. 

[listen2me 23 1,852]

3 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Right we are the big swinging d1ck in the room. Good to let that little tyrant Vlad know it. 

Pretty sure we were ahead by margin in the "power rankings".  So this little Russia has proven to suck stuff is just talk.  

Russia has nukes Russia has men.   Yea their meatgrinder crap is old school thinking but they are still about the same rank as they were.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,267]

4 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Right we are the big swinging d1ck in the room. Good to let that little tyrant Vlad know it. 

The NVA say different. Doh! 

[GobbleDog 992]

6 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Pretty sure we were ahead by margin in the "power rankings".  So this little Russia has proven to suck stuff is just talk.  

Russia has nukes Russia has men.   Yea their meatgrinder crap is old school thinking but they are still about the same rank as they were.  

Russia's power ranking among the nine nuclear-armed countries dropped 3 spots. Could cost them the playoffs.

1) US

2) China

3) France

4) UK

5) Russia

6) Israel

7) India

8 ) Pakistan

9) North Korea